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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.methods,alt.suicide.holiday,talk.euthanasia
Subject: A Practical Guide to Suicide
Summary: How to go about terminating your life.
Keywords: coe, suicide, guide, reference, practical
References: http://www.satanservice.org/
Replaces: 1.03
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Reply-To: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Organization: Church of Euthanasia (coe@netcom.com)
Archive-name: suicide/guide
Last-modified: 2000/02/08
Version: 1.04
Posting-Frequency: as needed
WORK-IN-PROGRESS/WORK-IN-PROGRESS/WORK-IN-PROGRESS/WORK-IN-PROGRESS
Location:
http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/guide/
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CONTENTS
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I. Preparations
A. CONTEMPLATING DEATH
B. IMAGINING THE POST-MORTEM WORLD
C. CONSIDERING THE SYMBOLISM OF DEATH AND SUICIDE
D. LYING SUCCESSFULLY
E. RESOLVING LIFE PROBLEMS
F. LETTING OTHERS ASSIST
A. INGESTION/INJECTION/INHALATION
1. Poisons
a. Antifreeze
b. Cyanide
2. Depressants
a. Alcohol
b. Barbiturates
c. Heroin and other Controlled Substances
3. Inhaling Carbon Monoxide (CO)
B. ASPHYXIATION/SUFFOCATION
1. Constricting Circulation
a. Leather Strap
b. Rope
c. Wire
2. Oxygen Displacement
a. Ether
b. Nitrogen/Helium (Inert Gasses)
c. Carbon Dioxide/Suffocation (CO2)
d. Nitrous Oxide (N2O)
e. Water/Drowning (H2O)
D. IMPACT
1. Devices
a. Crushing Machines
2. Weights
3. Heights (Falling)
a. Bridges
b. Buildings
c. Planes
4. Vehicles
a. Trains
b. Trucks
E. COMBINATION
1. impact/decapn (piano wire jump)
2. poison/asphyx (pills and bag)
3. poison/asphyx/hypotherm (alcohol/
leaky boat in cold water)
F. MYTHS
1. air vein-injection (??)
2. body paint (Goldfinger)
3. pencils jammed up nose (highschool)
4. sucking out brain (through eyes, etc.)
5. head in oven (gasphyxiation)
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To: lemminglounge
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of CoE)
Subject: Suicide is Easy
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
I. Preparations
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: stop-picking@that.rightnow (just another onionhead)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:36:58 GMT
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To: kissass (CoE Forum)
From: boboroshi/CoE (boboroshi@satanservice.org)
Date: 11/24/98
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recommended by a friend:
cf. the book "Cause of Death", which evaluates the
exact processes of death without faux sensationalism.
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "hmd1"
Subject: Re: How to overcome the fear of death?
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:45:32 GMT
Joseph T. Adams :
> How does one go about overcoming, or at least
> temporarily "tuning out," the natural fear of
> death, of the afterlife, etc.?
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From:
Subject: Re: Suicide with gas, Geo Stones book
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:09:40 -0500
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Suspicious Data
Subject: Re: Good Suicide Song?
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 04:30:01 PDT
> > "Something I can never have", Nine Inch Nails ...
>
> There is also another great suicide song ...
> from Marylin Manson , the last song on
> Antichrist Superstar.
>
> The Cure has a lot of great suicidal songs.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Daniel Kosucu
Subject: Re: Good Suicide Song?
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:43:13 +0100
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: timmygato@aol.com (TimmyGato)
Subject: Re: Good Suicide Song?
Date: 25 Sep 1997 16:24:35 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: melf@cubenet.de (Andrew)
Subject: re: good suicide song?
Date: 25 Sep 97 22:42:18
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Suspicious Data
Subject: Re: Good Suicide Song?
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:41:33 PDT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Jul
Subject: Re: Good Suicide Song?
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 00:35:27 +0800
Kristy wrote:
> Suicidal Tendencies: How Will I Laugh Tomorrow
> (When I Can't Even Smile Today) Suicidal Failure
> Feel Like Shit (Deja Vu)
>
> Pink Floyd: The Postwar Dream
> The Final Cut
> Comfortably Numb
>
> >
> > > ...put the song on re-peat so when they find
> > > you, they'll hear it. Sorta like an audio suicide note.
> > > My suggestion is Gloomy Sunday (Sarah McLachlan's cover
> > > version)
>
> Suicidal Tendencies: Suicide's an Alternative
> Life of Agony: River Runs Red
>
> I heard thatthere is a symphony by Mahler that
> is never played, because people get the urge to
> commit suicide after hearing it.
> Serious!
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: carol
Subject: Re: Top 10 suicidial movies/novels of all time ?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:23:59 +0200
carol
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[call_me_dan's movielist:]
Honorable Mention
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8 Dead Poets Society
The Deer Hunters
The Madwoman of Chaillot
Swing Kids
A Few Good Men
The English Patient
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: cbreck@elknet.net (Carol)
Subject: Re: Top 10 suicidial movies/novels of all time ?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:05:51 -0600
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Lady Midnight
Subject: Re: Top 10 suicidial movies/novels of all time ?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:44:22 GMT
To: lemminglounge
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
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[obstacles to suicide]
...
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: hermotimus
> > More likely: I'll check in to a motel, when I decide to
> > check out. Let the motel staff and the police take care
> > of finding the body, cleanup, etc., and just notify my
> > family.
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "canaria"
Subject: Re: Please critique my method
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:52:34 GMT
great plan.
killing yourself in foreign country is the same
plan which I have now. and..if u die in foreign
country without any thing which can prove
yourself..like passport..etc.. they'll be very
confused which country u from or who u are..even
if they find u. and why don't u find someone near
u who can send your already written letter to
your dad periodically. and that'll be no harm to
your dad.
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: sbarrymurf@aol.com (Sbarrymurf)
Subject: Re: Disappearing without trace
Date: 30 Dec 1999 20:24:39 GMT
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http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/faq.encouraging
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# The second question *they* ask is: WHY did he/she not tell
# us before ? So, tell them !
#># - what other solution one has tryed before the final one
#>
#> unnecessary, but possibly helpful to others.
#
# And [it] shows... that it was an informed decision.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: L.B. Noire
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:58:02 -0500
dear:
[ ] mother
[ ] father
[ ] lover
[ ] all of the above
etc.
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here's my suggestion:
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To: lemminglounge
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
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To: ash-l@hollyfeld.org
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:55:21 -0800 (PST)
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "Barry Norris"
Subject: Murder for suicides
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:17:53 -0000
Thanks,
Barry
(+44) (0)118 967 1230
ebiro@dialstart.net
23 Alpine Street, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 2PY,
Great Britain
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[METHODS]
To: suicidemethods@onelist.com
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of CoE)
Subject: Duration and Quality of Suicide (was Death, not pain)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Concussion
Ideals
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A. Ingestion/Injection/Inhalation
agent of demise
suicide disruption
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1. Chemicals
a. Antifreeze
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: bill lippencott@omserver2.cv.hp.com (bill)
Date: 30 Sep 1997 06:01:02 GMT
In article <19970930045700.AAA23984@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
twright603@aol.com (TWright603) says:
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b. Cyanide
anonymous:
http://www.gov.sg/moh/mohiss/poison/pgamygdl.html )
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anonymous:
> but then if what you say is true if we crush the seeds
> and eat them, the enzymes within the seeds themselves
> should activate to release the cyanic acid group.
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anonymous:
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To: talk.euthanasia,alt.suicide.holiday
From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (boboroshi/CoE)
Date: 13 Sep 1997 13:25:40 -0700
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: Mackenzie
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:43:14 -0500
http://www.campus.bt.com/CampusWorld/pub/ScienceNet/->
database/Biology/9701/b00701d.html
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: thardisonNOSPAM@mindspring.com (Travis Hardison)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:03:04 -0600
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: dmo777@my-dejanews.com
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:24:14 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: dmo777@my-dejanews.com
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:27:58 GMT
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c. Potassium Chloride
To: alt.suicide.methods,alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Snidely F Whiplash"
Subject: Re: Potassium Chloride Injection
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:08:07 -0500
goingtodie:
> ...As far as my initial posting to this group
> asking about injecting potassium chloride,
> I've now just received my 20cc syringe w/needle
> ...so I think I've answered my basic question
> of what kind to use.
>
> ...saturated potassium chloride solution (31%)...
> 20cc ...my calculations...about 6.9 grams of
> potassium chloride, which should be more than
> sufficient....
Snidely again.
My response to Kryptonite7...
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2. Depressants
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: steward@netaxs.com (steward)
Subject: Re: experience vs. expert info (methods)
Date: 18 May 1999 00:54:00 GMT
> What if this had been the other way round? I mean,
> the difference between the "factual information"
> -- thousands of mgs -- and the
==
==
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a. Alcohol
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rorsch@senet.com.au (rorschach)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 06:11:57 GMT
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To: alt.suicide,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.suicide.finals
From: White Spirit
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:32:53 +0000
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To: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.suicide.methods
From: bye bye birdi
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:21:49 GMT
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jbentley
Date: 29 JAN 1996 05:52:27 -0500
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anonymous source:
Interpharm
http://216.147.122.186/interpharm/
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Marc
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:37:52 +0100
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Edmund E Ong
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:24:57 -0700
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Cerkit [Breaker]"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:34:07 -0700
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anonymous:
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: und@eab.le (Ludolf Wittgenplastic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:34:11 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.finals
From: xoticsrus@aol.comjnkbgone (Xoticsr us)
Date: 6 May 1999 14:24:38 GMT
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from http://www.csia.org/home/cohazard.htm
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
Carbon Monoxide
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Shddemon@cris.com (SHADOWDEMON)
Date: 19 Jun 1997 09:14:00 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tagtraeumer
Date: 3 Sep 1997 16:33:02 -0000
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anonymous:
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ichi@earthling.net (Ichimusai)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 13:25:26 GMT
anonymous:
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Doug Jacobson"
Subject: Carbon Monoxide (CO) Poisoning As a Method of Suicide.
Date: 29 Jun 98 22:38:51 -0400
Headache
Dizziness
Upset Stomach
Clumsiness
Drowsiness
Brain Damage
Death
Availability
Lack of discomfort
Speed
Reference URL's:
http://www.freenet.msp.mn.us/people/guestb/pubed/cofaq.html
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/co1.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide2.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide3.htm
http://www.sencosensors.com/
http://www.nsc.org/ehc/indoor/mse.htm
http://www.epa.gov/OMSWWW/03-co.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/co1.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards)
Date: 6 Jul 1997 08:36:38 GMT
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from http://www.ps.ex.state.ut.us/sc/co.htm
* Malfunctioning Furnace
* Cars left running in a garage or other closed area
* Grills, Hibachis and other fuel burning appliances
* Fireplaces or clogged chimneys
* Improperly installed gas ranges or vents
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dot@interactive.no.spam.net (DL)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:50:41 -0500
> Modern cars burn gas more efficiently too, creating less
> CO. I'm looking at a bbq in a small sealed room with a
> regular dose of sleeping pills and a little alcohol.
> Still looking for a qualified opinion though. If you ever
> get an answer on good CO production, post it or email me
> please....
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To: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.suicide.methods
From: "The CrapHead!"
Date: 12 Jan 98 15:23:34 -0100
> Now, any chemists out there who know how to rig a CO
> generator from household chemicals?
Method 1:
The sulfuric acid removes H2O from the formic acid, leaving
CO-gas.
HCOOH -> H2O + CO
Method 2:
The calsiumcarbonate reacts with the zink, giving
calsiumoxide, zinkoxide and CO-gas.
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "not sleepy"
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:38:49 +0100
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "L Williamson"
Subject: Re: CO and catalytic converters
Date: 18 Jun 1998 09:24:03 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: hermotimus
Subject: Re: CO and catalytic converters
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:55:24 -0500
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Doug Jacobson"
Subject: Carbon Monoxide, Catalytic Converters and Humble Pie
Date: 19 Jun 98 11:16:55 -0400
http://www.epa.gov/OMSWWW/03-co.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/co1.htm
Following the links from the home page will give you
information such as, US vehicles with catalytic
converters produce about the same amount of CO exhaust
before a tune up as vehicles without catalytic
converters produce after a tune up.
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide3.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide2.htm
You can also follow links from the home page for
informtion on charcoal briquets (much more lethal
than I would have guessed) and other sources of CO.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Doug Jacobson"
Subject: Re: Cars and CO
Date: 20 Jun 98 19:43:08 -0400
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/co1.htm
http://www.freenet.msp.mn.us/people/guestb/pubed/cofaq.html
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide3.htm
http://www.phymac.med.wayne.edu/FacultyProfile/penney/COHQ/COMotoVeh/
cosuicide2.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.suicide.methods
From: Noyen
Subject: Re: CO poisoning from Coleman stove?
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:30:34 GMT
The more air tight the better. Tent may not work.
Closet may get hot. Try a small outdoor shed, a
large car, or a small camper.
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B. ASPHYXIATION/SUFFOCATION
1. Constriction
a. Leather Strap
b. Rope
c. Wire
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2. Oxygen Displacement
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: bill lippencott@omserver2.cv.hp.com (bill)
Date: 23 Aug 1997 07:40:44 GMT
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a. Ether
from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
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To: alc.suicide,alt.suicide.finals,alt.suicide.holiday
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards)
Date: 7 Sep 1997 06:57:03 GMT
>Yes.
>
>For one thing, your way will not be painless.
Says you.
Ether was routinely used for anethesia until the
LONG TERM dangers became known. If it can keep you
from noticing that your leg is being sawn off, It
should be just fine for keeping you from noticing
that you are permanently out of oxygen.
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm:
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Randy
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:37:00 -0500
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: puck31066@aol.com (Puck31066)
Date: 26 Aug 1997 12:57:13 GMT
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From: anonymous
Intro
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Method : asphyxiation by inert gas (helium)
Certainty : Fairly certain if not 'saved' and you don't
chicken out
Cost : about #100 (sterling)
The gas itself will cost about #45, and you must
also place a deposit on the cylinder, the deposit will
need to be cash (ie not switch card or credit card),
and it'll probably be around #50. Fortunately, I'm well
off, so money is not a problem here.
Note that, the party shops will not usually have any
helium to buy "off the shelf", and they may ask you to
wait from 1->10 days for some to be delivered. If time
is a constraint, then this could be a problem.
Fit the tub over your mouth, you'll find that your
nose gets in the way, and prevents an air-tight fit.
Use a sharp knife (e.g. stanley knife), to cut a
small indentation where your nose goes. Make lots
of small cuts, rather than one big one, because
you're less likely to make a serious bodge. When the
tub fits snugly over your mouth, you should be able to
hold it there by sucking in. It doesn't matter if it
isn't a perfect air-tight fit, because the helium gas
will fill the mask easily, and as long as the %Oxygen
is kept low, then a little air getting in won't matter.
If the helium pressure is sufficiently strong, it'll
force out any air anyway.
Next - Take the tubing, and note how wide it is. On the
front of the mask, about in line with the nose or mouth,
using the sharp knife, make two incisions about the
same diameter as the tubing. Don't cut a hole, just make
a cross shaped cut. Now push the tubing through from the
inside of the mask, and the cut pieces of plastic will
open out and form a flange around the tubing. Pull the
tubing through until a small piece is left protruding
into the mask, (not too far). Now tape the flanges of
plastic to the tubing, and liberally wind more tape
around the join until the tubing is firmly held and the
seal is air-tight.
Next - Tape the free end of the tube to the gas outlet
of the helium tank. This may be a problem : because
the gas tanks that are supplied for filling balloons,
have an unusual outlet. It consists of a spring loaded
nozzle, which when bent, opens a valve to allow the
gas out. Imagine holding a balloon onto a nozzle and
then twisting your wrist upwards, this forces a plunger
backwards and releases gas into the balloon, the gas
comes out rather quickly, filling the balloon in a
matter of seconds. When the nozzle is released, the
spring forces the nozzle back to the horizontal position,
and the metal plunger slides back against a stop,
cutting off the gas flow. There is a master valve on
the top of the cylinder too, but it doesn't allow for
much flow regulation.
This odd nozzle arrangement can act for and against us.
I ought to point out, that I have managed to get
(through work), a proper gas regulator valve, so I've
replaced the one on my cylinder, but I did some
experimentation with the spring loaded nozzle version
first. If you tape the tubing to the nozzle, and then
connect some more elastic bands between the nozzle end
and a sturdy object (like the cylinder handle), you
can make a nice "dead mans handle" - ie, when you let
go of the nozzle, the elastic band pulls the nozzle
upwards, and releases gas. This means that you can
hold the nozzle in a position which just lets enough
gas out, into the mask, and causes you to lose
conciousness, when you pass out, your hand will
release the nozzle, and the elastic band will open it
up even more, thus increasing the gas flow, and
ensuring that you don't get any air. Experimentation
has shown this to be quite a good little system.
Once you have the mask in place and the gas flowing
(I'd advise tunring the gas on first, arranging your
valve regulation, and then putting on the mask,
because the first gush of gas, can be a bit violent,
and might feel unpleasant), all you have to do is
breathe normally. When you breathe the gas in pure,
you'll notice that it is
a) quite cold, but not too unpleasant (long tube may help)
b) essentially odourless, though it smells different
from room air.
c) makes your voice squeaky, try singing as you die.
Conclusions
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Keeping the mask on for a few more seconds, would
almost certainly have resulted in blackout, having
the gas mask in place, would have meant a
continued period without oxygen, and eventual death,
under these circumstances - within a few minutes.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Hermotimus
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:26:54 -0500
Assuming you get a nice, tight fit with the rubber bands
over the bunched-up plastic band at your neck, the bag
inflates quickly with the inert gas and you rapidly pass
out. Then what? The gas keeps pouring into the bag,
with no way out; is the bag eventually going to rupture
at a seam, or snap rubber bands? Will that happen (in
a worst case scenario) *after* brain damage has occured,
but *before* death?
I can think of ways to stop the gas flow, or vent the gas,
but they're complicated (and that increases the risk of
failure). I think the nitrogen tent method deals with
these problems, and it's also, imho, a more comfortable
exit. I pieced together my tent with heavy (4 mil.)
plastic sheeting, taped over a box, but I have worked
out a simpler method:
http://www.cganet.com/pubs/free/sb-2.htm
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/noawicpubs/avmaeuth.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: coffee
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:41:56 -0700
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Hermotimus
Subject: Re: ASH TALK ON GASES IN SUICIDE. Round 2.
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:11:35 -0500
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Randy Meador <"spam-blocker>hotmail.com">
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:44:05 -0500
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: _nospam_faithless_nospam_@psu.edu (Faithless One)
>I don't know about a tank, but I've thought about just
>getting a bunch of 'whippets', filling a plastic trash
>bag with them, and sealing my head inside the bag.
>'Whippets' are available here at 'head shops' for about
>$52 for 5 boxes, 24 in each box. Each Whippet is about
>one lungful, so I think 5 boxes would fill a trash bag.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: nathan.s@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 02:35:23 +0000
>> Hang out with drag racers (as in fast cars) for a
>> little while and you can learn all you'd ever
>> want to know about Nitrous. Summit Auto sells
>> $$$ kits with a filled 10Lb bottle by mail order
>> (extra $10 UPS hazardous material fee) and with
>> a little hunting you might find a mail order
>> outfit that will ship just the filled bottle
>> without the associated kit.
>
> I reccomend you all read some of the rec.drugs
> info on N20, the stuff they use in cars is
> "auto grade" while whippets and the stuff from
> the dentist are "medical/food grade", apparently
> the auto stuff has a fair but of sulpher
> "rotten egg" gas in it, so it'll probably just
> make you sick.
>
>> Whippets would require a _lot_ of money and a
>> _lot_ of effort to accumulate any quantity of
>> the gas. If you're an adult it's not that hard
>> to get full tanks of compressed inert gas.
>
> Disagree here, a pack of whippets is like only
> $5, and provides at least enough for "an evenings
> entertainment".
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Randy
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:37:00 -0500
http://www.isi.co.at/main_e.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Randy
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:52:34 -0500
re whippets:
> I'm pretty sure that there's CO2 in those bottles
And I'm pretty sure that you're wrong. I'm sorry, but
the "chargers" used to fill whipped cream canisters
are filled with Nitrous Oxide. Now, the little
canisters that work with your air rifle are filled
with CO2; they look alike, but they are filled with
different gases. Try inhaling the contents of a
whipped cream charger sometime and report back to us;
if it gives you a minute high, than it's N2O, if not,
it's CO2. I can tell you right now, though, if you
bought it at a cooking supply store, for whipping
cream utensils, it's filled with Nitrous.
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: faceonmars@aol.commit-it (FaceOnMars)
Subject: Re: Laughing Gas .
Date: 2 Jun 1999 19:18:03 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: Enesha Fairluck
Subject: Re: Laughing Gas
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:04:10 -0400
filename="NITROUS.TXT"
NH NO ----------------------> N O + 2*H O
4 3 2 2
Set-up
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Assembly
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=> > > > > > > > > CONGRATULATIONS < < < < < < < < <=
Operation
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WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING
!
W Once the heating of the mixture in the erlenmeyer
A flask has started you MUST REMOVE the two-hole
R stopper from the flask before turning off the heat.
N Otherwise as the flask starts to cool off, it will
I draw water from the scrubbers back into the hot
N flask and may crack or EXPLODE the erlenmeyer flask
G with the steam formed inside.
!
WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING
Now you may begin heating the flask. Turn the hotplate
to medium or medium-high and watch the thermometer.
If the temperature climbs very fast, turn the hotplate
down, but be patient about turning it up. Occasional
bubbles will be noted going through the scrubbers as
the air in the system expands. At 210 C (410 F) a
yellowish to orange-brown will begin filling the
flask, and the bubbling throught the scrubbers will
become steady.
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e. Water/Drowning (H2O)
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: wgoff1
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:38:56 -0400
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From: anonymous
Subject: Suffocation Possibilities
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:13:35 -0800 (PST)
RE intentional drowning:
It depends on if you are holding yourself underwater
or something else is. The context sounds like we're
talking about very small bodies of water such as a
tub. While people do drown in tubs it's usually
because they are unconscious (not drunk) first. If
one is serious about drowning though, one probably
should choose a much large water source such as a
lake or an ocean. (Though as Hermotimus has pointed
out on ash, salt water drowning is more painful.)
Then you can either swim out (and don't stop - a
tough one) until you are so exhausted that you can
no longer hold your head out of the water. Or bring
weights (Virgina Woolf put rocks in her pockets)
that you can swim with for a while but that would
sink you if you stopped swimming. Another variation
is to chose a water source that has a current that
will carry you out past the point you can return
(Pacific Ocean being the prime example out here.)
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Barry Bermingham
Subject: Re: Suicide suggestion....??? maybe?
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:50:51 +0100
> I was thinking, maybe if you put a few weights on
> your feet and arms, and held on to some floats,
> to keep you afloat, and then pop double the
> dosage of sleeping pills, eventually you become
> unconcious, and fall asleep, and will let go sink
> to the bottom, and rest in peace....
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C. DAMAGE
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm:
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1. Decapitation
from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm:
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a. Guillotine
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b. Hanging
To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "John Jacob Jingleheimerschmutt"
Subject: Re: Noose yes, what knot?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:03:26 -0800
The knot goes behind your neck and should pull tighter as
more pressure is applied. Loop one end and tie a simple
knot with main and looped section of rope to make an eye,
thread rope through eye, secure to something solid. Test
the rope. Your unconscious body will thrash about as it
dies. You may want to put something around the rope where
it comes into contact with your neck to keep it from
cutting. Pull rope tight around your neck and step off.
The knot should not pull tight, and be placed behind the
ear. It needs to go at the side, and you'll need to
fall 5-8 feet before it goes tight (according to your
weight). Someone posted tables here based on weight.
http://huizen2.dds.nl/~erpprs/kne/noose.htm
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jomac@earthlink.net (jomac)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:24:44 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: wgoff1
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:56:16 -0400
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anonymous:
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: "Anon"
Subject: My first hanging attempt
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:58:53 -0500 (EST)
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
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3. Electrocution
4. Hypothermia
a. Snow
b. Water
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6. Immolation
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Smithers
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:37:13 +1100
Self-immolation.
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7. Exsanguination
from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
a. Wrists
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "ZeroDegree@Cold.com"
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:27:38 -0000
bend your wrist towards you, see where the crease is?
Go for there, one diagnal cut, as deep as you can
make it, try a razor. Running a hot bath will increase
blood flow to the area and bring the blood vessels/arteries
closer to the skin makig them easier to cut....
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "LIAM D YOUENS"
Date: 15 Dec 1997 10:56:04 GMT
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b. Major Arteries/Veins
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: Herry
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:59:38 +1100
...if you wanna bleed to death there are are 2 routes to go.
Inside each thigh. There are arteries there an inch thick -
blood loss to death within minutes. If yer serious and you
have the guts... One stab and splurt you won't believe. And
no stopping it. Just my advice. Hardcore, but a quick, way
to go. Read up yer med texts.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: al255@yfn.ysu.edu (Lance Rodberg)
Date: 20 Dec 1997 04:57:02 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tagtraeumer
Date: 26 Dec 1997 16:35:19 -0000
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8. Weapons
a. Explosives
b. Guns
AVMA: Gunshot
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards)
Date: 15 Aug 1997 14:52:49 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dr@ripco.com (David Richards)
Date: 9 Sep 1997 02:43:01 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: wgoff1
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:50:08 -0400
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: s3036712@mpce.mq.edu.au (Powdered TOAST Man)
Date: 25 Sep 1997 04:21:55 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: caj@urth.autarch.com (Craig A. Johnston)
Date: 22 Dec 1997 15:46:56 -0600
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: caj@urth.autarch.com (Craig A. Johnston)
Date: 26 Dec 1997 19:47:37 -0600
Now, the end of the large pipe can be held in one's mouth
as one kneels on the floor over the device, and the small
pipe is allowed to drop through the large pipe so that
the shell with the BB taped to the firing point strikes
the hard concrete floor while the other end of the small
pipe is still inside the larger pipe.
Doable?
| |
| | <--- inner pipe
| |
| |
||---||
|| ||
|| || <--- shell inside inner pipe
||___||
|| ||
|| ||
---o--- <-- there's the lip if the metal part of the shell.
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To: alc.suicide,
From: holtor@wxs.nl (mori bundus)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:10:15 GMT
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ii. Death-By-Police
buy a cheap toy gun that looks real enough from a distance.
get stopped by a police officer and, from a distance, get
emotional and pull the weapon. refuse to put it down when
they command it. take a firing stance and aim the toy.
best to obscure your body except for your head when
beginning the escapade.
D. IMPACT
1. Devices
a. Crushing Machines
2. Weights
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3. Heights (Falling)
a. Bridges
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: the Chemist
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:03:31 +0000
re Bridges vs Buildings
> At 150 meters there might not be much of a differance.
> Although your body will be washed clean of blood your
> head and trunk might be ruptured requiring your body
> to be taken out of the water in pieces.
better reasons:
1) lesser chance to hit anyone walking on the pavement.
Friend of mine jumped onto someone. She died, die is
now in jail for manslaughter
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b. Buildings
c. Planes
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4. Vehicles
a. Trains
To: soc.culture.japan,alt.suicide.holiday
From: Charles M Richmond
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 09:27:52 -0400
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b. Trucks
E. COMBINATION
1. impact/decapn (piano wire jump)
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anonymous:
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tagtraeumer
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: selfdeath@aol.com (Selfdeath)
Date: 7 Aug 1997 09:30:13 GMT
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To: alt.suicide,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.suicide.finals
From: shell_@usa.net
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:43:27 -0800
> > I have actually taken about 30 OTCs tablets before
> > (not sure what kind). I fell asleep for a long time
> > and then I woke up and found out I was starving so
> > I ate some food and got right back to sleep. I had
> > a weird sensation in my head that would make me
> > feel sleepy so I slept a lot for the rest of the
> > week or so. Generally I believe OTCs along won't work.
> > My next attempt will pobably be OTCs + bag/band +
> > alchohol. Hope this helps.
> Thank you for the input! My plan is exactly OTCs + bag
> and band + alchohol.
>
> I have the following question for you, and please make
> your best guess according to your experience: is
> deep-sleep induced by a high doesage of OTCs sufficient
> to avoid panic reaction to the "bag and band" method?
>
> I fear that if the deep-sleep is not deep enough, my
> reflexes might do something like ripping the bag open
> and such.
It is not only when I rip the bag open and waited for the
feeling of throwing up to go away did I fell asleep. I
could have taken more dosage and drink more alchohol but
I doubt I can hold it down all in my stomach that way. I
have to disgard this method and go for others.
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: barbfreak@aol.com (BarbFreak)
Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:38:04 GMT
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To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Uncletom"
Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:47:19 GMT
Preferably to be carried out on a long, wide
stretch of dirt road, with plenty of BIG trees
in the area.
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3. poison/asphyx/hypotherm (alcohol/
leaky boat in cold water)
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: "Trevor (Not Trevor)"
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F. MYTHS
1. air vein-injection (??)
2. body paint (Goldfinger)
3. pencils jammed up nose (highschool)
4. sucking out brain (through eyes, etc.)
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To: alt.suicide.methods
From: ppoint@gloryroad.net
Subject: Re: Gas
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:42:48 -0500
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REFERENCES:
To: alt.suicide.holiday
From: eurasiaguy@aol.com (EurasiaGuy)
Date: 18 Dec 1997 05:39:58 GMT
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NOTES:
References
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from http://netvet.wustl.edu/org/awic/bib/avmaeuth.htm
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