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DEUDA EXTERNA ARGENTINA
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TRANSCRIPCIÓN DEL PROGRAMA DE R ADIO

ADIO CUAL ES DE FM R OCK
OCK & P OP 95.5, CON MARIO PERGOLINI , E DUARDO DE LA PUENTE Y MARCELO
GADMAN.

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EDUARDO DE LA PUENTE: E% I('%$s

FELIPE PIGNA: U( I('%$s Risas6

MARIO PERGOLINI: 2a*!s #$ 4$%a...

FELIPE PIGNA: 2a(
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MARIO PERGOLINI: A% B5

FELIPE PIGNA: Ós$a 7$ =a a= (a 7ia...

MARIO PERGOLINI: D$% 4a%!" (!*i(a%.

FELIPE PIGNA: Si, $% 4a%!" (!*i(a% $"a ( *i%%-( #$ Li+"as, )$"! s$ 4a a 1!%!1a" a% B5, $s #$1i" 7$ $( "$a%i#a#
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$%%!s #i1$(, ueda claro ue en realidad el Go*ierno de la Pro%incia de Buenos Aires reci*irá
 solamente +,, mil Li*ras&

MARIO PERGOLINI: P$"! $s *?s #$% 5.

EDUARDO DE LA PUENTE: /Y %as !"as 5 *i%3

FELIPE PIGNA: P!" $s! $% 5 5 *i% %i+"as s$ %a "$)a"$( $%%!s, 7$#a $s1"i!, $s! $s ( #!1*$(!, 7$#a
$s1"i! = #i1$: -e nuestra casa ., mil/ de 0ister 1astro y m2o 34, mil total 56, mil Li*ras es
lo ue ueda/ y ueda entendido ue las +,, mil Li*ras ue ustedes de*en poner uedaran
como 7nico capital para el Go*ierno de la Pro%incia de Buenos Aires fi"urando en todo
documento p7*lico la cifra de +,, mil Li*ras/ uedando en claro ue la deuda es por %alor 
nominal de un millon de Li*ras.

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FELIPE PIGNA: A1? $"a $% P$s!, = $% P$s! $7i4a%8a a  Li+"a  5 P$s!s, -s$a 7$ %a #$#a $"a #$ 5 *i%%!($s #$
P$s!s $s $% 4a%!" (!*i(a% = %a #$#a 7$ s$ $sa+%$1$.

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FELIPE PIGNA: P!"7$ 7$"8a a1$" (!s )$+%!s, (as a'as 1!""i$($s, (a 1a(i#a# #$ !+"as 1!*! si$*)"$ s$
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MARIO PERGOLINI: /Ni si7i$"a 1!( Ri4a#a4ia3

FELIPE PIGNA: Ni si7i$"a 1!( Ri4a#a4ia 7$ ;$ 1!*!... )!" $s! $s! $s ( 1as! $si'! #i"8a =! /(!3 P$"! $s!
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FELIPE PIGNA: A8 4a*!s, $sa )%aa 4a a )a"a s!+"$ !#! a ( ($'!1i! 7$ s$ 4a a %%a*a" $% <a(1! P"!4i(1ia = %a

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P"!4i(1ia #$ <$(!s Ai"$s Risas6

MARIO PERGOLINI: Ós$a a4a%a $s!s 8%!s 1!( %as i$""as.

FELIPE PIGNA: E0a1a*$($ 7$ $s %a %$= #$ $(;i$sis, %a %$= #$ $(;i$sis #$ Ri4a#a4ia $s i)!$1a" !#a %a
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FELIPE PIGNA: N!, $"a ( %i(#! *!*$(! )a"a )!#$" #is"i+i" %a i$""a, #i'a*!s $% $sa#! a%7i%a a )$7$!s
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FELIPE PIGNA: A %!s A(1!"$(a #$% *!*$(! = %$ #i1$: –¿8ui!n %a a fi9ar el monto del canon# Os$a #$% a%7i%$" 
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FELIPE PIGNA: <$(! )!"7$ $"a !#a48a...

MARIO PERGOLINI: /P!"7$ (! s$ a+8a )a"1$%a#!3

FELIPE PIGNA: C%a"!, !#a48a $"a, a+8a !(as )$%i'"!sas #$ 1!(a1! 1!( $% I(#i! = !#a48a (! s$ a+8a
 )a"1$%a#!, (! $sa+a !#a48a $% a%a*+"a#!.

MARIO PERGOLINI: /Y 7$ !(a 4$(#$(3

FELIPE PIGNA: Hasa $% R8! Sa%a#!, 7$ $s *18si*!.

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FELIPE PIGNA: L! *$!"1i!, #$ %a Pa*)a @*$#a %! *?s '"a(a#!, = s!( s!%a*$($  %!s $(;i$as, si (!
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FELIPE PIGNA: A8 a""a(1a.

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FELIPE PIGNA: E0a1a*$($, #!(#$ a%1a(a $% i"! #$% "i;%$, )!"7$ a8 4$(ia %!s i(#i!s a "$1%a*a" %! s=! /(!3
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MARIO PERGOLINI: C%a"! Risas6 asa #!(#$ %%$'a, asa #!(#$ )$#! +aa" a (! $s! $s *8!.

FELIPE PIGNA: <$(! $s *?s, $s *= i($"$sa($, $( %!s 8%!s #$ )"!)i$#a# #i1$ a% a%1a(1$ #$ +a%a, #$ a%, #$%
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MARCELO GADMAN: E"a 1!*! %a 4isi+i%i#a#.

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FELIPE PIGNA: D$s)>s a"">'%$s$, si s$ 4a *?s a%%? = (! %$ a%1a(a %a +a%a, a"">'%$s$ 1!(... <$(! =a $sa*!s $(
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EDUARDO DE LA PUENTE: D$ %!s Q *i%...

FELIPE PIGNA: ...#$ %!s Q *i% a#$%?($*$ )a'!s )!"7$ =! (! %$ 1"$! 7$ *$ 4a( a )a'a", $(!(1$s 7$#a $(
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MARIO PERGOLINI: A1$i(as Risas6

FELIPE PIGNA: ...s!%a*$($ %$"as #$ 1a*+i! 1!("a 1asas 1!*$"1ia%$s #$ %a Casa <a"i('.

MARIO P ERGOLINI: P!#$s $0)%i1a"%! ( )!1! *?s 1%a"!.FELIPE P IGNA: C%a"! 7i$"! #$1i" $( 4$s #$...EDUARDO DE LA

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DANIEL LEANDRO R AMOS

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