VIAJES DE SAI BABA POR EL MUNDO 2015 09 Malaysia English

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Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Babas Divine Visit

Malaysia: 30th September ~ 1st October, 2015

Divine Discourses
By Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba
In the Subtle Body

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January 2016.
Introduction

In March 2015, Bhagawan visited Malaysia for the first time. Before
departing, He declared, I will be back again. No one would have guessed
that He would return just six months later, on 30th September, 2015. In
accordance with His divine instructions, a twoday programme was
organised at Sai Ananda, in Selayang, Malaysia.
To prepare for Swamis divine visit, preparations began months in advance.
Earlier, Swami had blessed the development of a threestorey Medicare Centre
building to be built next to Sai Ananda. The Medicare Centre would provide renal
dialysis, as well as general healthcare services to those in need.
Plans are also in place to expand further to provide dental and optometry
services, besides alternative medical treatment, women and childcare services
and counselling, as well as the provision of medical aids. Hence, the majority of
work that took place prior to Swamis visit in September was to ensure that the
Medicare Centre building was ready by the time of Swamis arrival.
Finally, the long awaited day arrived. Malaysia and Sai Ananda was blessed by
Swamis divine visit. All who attended the twoday event came emptyhanded,
but left with hearts full of love, stomachs filled with sumptuous food, and hands
full with gifts from our Beloved Bhagawan.
This Booklet has been prepared as per Bhagawans command and includes
complete transcripts of divine discourses and excerpts from talks given by
members of Swamis entourage, including Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy, Sri C.
Sreenivas, Mr. Isaac Tigrett, and Mr. V. Kumar.

Table of Contents

Day 1: 30th September, 2015 at Sai Ananda
Excerpts from talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett
Excerpts from talk by Sri C. Sreenivas
Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba
Question and Answer Session with Bhagawan Baba
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Excerpts from talk by Sri Narasimha Murthy

Day 2: 1st October, 2015 (Morning) at Ayavoo Residence
Excerpts from talk by Sri V. Kumar
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Excerpts from talk by Sri B. N. Narasimha Murthy
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Day 2: 1st October, 2015 (Evening) at Sai Ananda
Excerpts from talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett
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Excerpts from Sri C. Sreenivas
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Day 1 30th September, 2015

Evening Session at Sai Ananda

Talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

There was a great Maharaja who lived in Swamis
Brindavan ashram. Once, her daughter telling me the
story of how her mother and Swami were very close, and
would always argue. She was real tough, but had an
intimate relationship with Swami.
They were arguing one day, and Swami said to her,
Arent you scared of Me?" She said, No, Swami, Im not
scared of You. But Im scared of Your maya."
Thats what I learnt the first 17 years that Swami didnt speak to me. He trained
me to believe His teaching, I am the formless; you are the formless. Do not get
attached to the body.
Looking for Him on the outside or even trying to understand this phenomenon is
a waste of time. Finding the Indweller and understanding the formless nature of
yourself and Divinity is important.
We dont think that we can be Divine Beings because of all our frailties hatred,
envy, lust and we think, Its impossible! How can I have all these feelings and
yet be a Divine Being? This is the age of mistaken identity. This is the Kali Yuga,
the darkest age man has ever been in; as far away from spiritual awareness that
he has ever been.
There is one thing that Swami has taught us that we can do to lift us out of this
mistaken identity, and that is selfless service and selfless love.

Talk by Sri C. Sreenivas

Thirty years ago, Swami said, What you see, is finite and
limited. What you cannot see, is infinite and unlimited. I
always marvelled in wondering, what existed in the
unseeable, the unknowable, the infinite.
Today, I am awestruck by what I am seeing in all of you.
More so, at how the infinite can manifest itself in the
form of devotion, love, and service which I am seeing
here in each and every one of you.
What does devotion do? Devotion makes us take the journey which is really the
mission and the life of Swami: individual transformation. Nothing brings about
transformation more than an intense feeling of devotion.
Medical, educative, social reformative whatever it might be, it is a manifestation
of love, which finds its root from the depths of devotion. If devotion can bring
about an individuals transformation, your manifestation of love as service is
sowing of a seed of a societal transformation. Today if we think that we live in a
world that is automatically interconnected, then you are all sowing the seeds of a
mega human transformation. This is the moment of moments of history in your
lives, because the infinite, unlimited, unimaginable has chosen to select you
because of your devotion, your love and your deep hungering intent to manifest
as service.

Talk by Sri Narasimha Murthy

The only way we can know about God is from what He
talks about Himself, reveals about Himself, when He
comes down in human form.
Whenever Avatars have revealed something about
themselves, a lot of people did not believe. Otherwise
why should Rama wage a battle to rescue His wife?
Why should Krishna spearhead the great Mahabharata
war? Why was Jesus crucified?
The reason is, when something extraordinary happens, there are extreme
reactions. When Rama came, there was a Hanuman, the embodiment of complete
faith, devotion and total surrender. However, there was also a Ravana.
Swami has revealed that Prema Sai is already born. Around 2022, when the
Sathya Sai form completes its destined term of 96 years, He is going to declare
Himself to be Prema Sai Baba.
Prema Sai is a different kind of Avatar. Recently, Swami has revealed, I am
speaking; I am giving discourses; I am building institutions. However, Prema Sai
is going to speak in silence. If you want to understand this silence of Prema Sai,
now you have to practise what I am telling you. Become selfless. Raise yourself
above selfishness. Identify yourself with the Atma. Then you will be able to
communicate with Prema Sai that is what He is saying.
We are very fortunate only if we believe what He says. Nobody can tell us what to
believe or what not to believe, except God.



Divine Discourse
by Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba
Yes, what he says is true.
Leaving ones home and family and

running away to the forest is not
sannyasa (renunciation); its not thyaga
(sacrifice). If you give up all that which
is bad in you that is true sacrifice. Such
a person is really a man of sacrifice, a
yogi. (Telugu poem)
Once upon a time, when Sri

Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa
was
becoming known as a spiritual master,
many Doubting Thomases would come
and ask him all kinds of questions.
Do you see Mother? Does She
speak to you? What kind of words
does She use? What kind of dress does
She wear? and other things like that.
This is the word of Sai the word of

truth.
He would patiently answer these

questions, because he knew they were all
idle enquiries.
In order to attain God, many people in

the world who feel that world is a burden
want to run away into a forest. If you
cannot find God amidst the best of Gods
creation, that is, human beings, how will
you find God in the midst of wild
animals in the jungle?
However, one day someone came who

was to become very close to Sri
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa; his name
was Rakhal. He came and asked
Ramakrishna, Swami, I have heard of
you and I have heard from the others that
you speak to Mother Goddess, that she
comes to you when you call her; that she
talks to you and she eats from your
hands. I, too, want to experience the
joy of being in communion with the
Mother; can I also have this experience?
Can you show me God?
If a person cannot see God in his fellow

brothers and sisters, how will he find
God in the depths of the dark forest?
Not by meditation;
Not by chanting the name;
Not by undertaking pilgrimages;
Not by any of these means;
By service alone one can attain God.
By giving up that which is selfish, and
developing selflessness, one can attain
God.
Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was a

very practical teacher. He did not want to
waste words and said, Come, I will
show you God.
Narasimha Murthy just now said, If you

want Swami, pray to Him. Yearn for it,
and you will definitely find Him.

Where is God? Rakhal asked.

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God takes upon Himself a physical form

and comes down amidst His devotees to
help them experience the reality of God,
the nature of the Divine, and make them
yearn to become like Him. The One who
is infinite, the One who is formless, the
One who is invisible, takes upon
Himself, a form that one can see, hear,
touch and experience but that is only to
give you a glimpse of what God is like.
Ramakrishna said, He is outside in the

garden.
He took the boy by the shoulder and told
him to look inside a well, saying, God is
in this well.
The boy was surprised but, because Sri
Ramakrishna had told him, he bent down
to look at what was inside the well and
do you know what he did? He pushed
that boy into the well! The boy started
fighting for breath and was struggling to
save himself. Sri Ramakrishna was
standing above, laughing.
Ultimately, He gives up the physical

body, and goes back to His pure Divine
Self. He comes to tell you, to reach Him
and see Him where he truly is where
you already are.
This boy said, You told me you would

show me God. You brought me all the
way here and threw me into this well.
What are you doing?
God has already done His part of the

bargain, by coming to where you are
now it is your duty to see God where He
truly is.
Ramakrishna replied, The way you are

struggling for breath, the way you are
yearning to live if you pray to see God
with the same intensity, you will
definitely be able to see God.
God is not a toy for you to play with
when you have nothing to do, praying
and playing and then going back to your
own worldly ways. It is not during the
times of your need that you should come
to God; God should become your
constant need that is how you will get
to see and experience God.
Devotees want shortcuts to reach God.
There might be shortcuts in the world,
but there are no shortcuts in
spirituality, unless one has given up all
desires. Then, there is only one thing left
and that is to see and experience God.
There is no other way one can
understand Him.
If you want to catch the Krishna who

steals butter, you have to follow the
footprints of Krishna in the butter that
is how Mother Yashoda was able to
catch the naughty Krishna.
It is when you are capable of such

yearning, of such intensity of prayer, that

You must remember that dearness to

God is far more important that nearness.
If you want to reach Me, you have to

follow My footprints, too. My footprints
of love and service are what you must
follow and, if you walk in My footsteps,
you will definitely reach Me.
If you are dear to God, you need not try

to go where God is, for God will be at
your shoulder wherever you are
because God wants to be with you far
more than you want to be with God. A
devotee is not the one who says, God
resides in my heart. That is true, God
resides in every heart, in every atom, in
fact in but a real devotee is one who
should be able to say, I reside in Gods
heart. Then, truly, is he a devotee.
God descending to be amongst you, was

the first part of this story. Your
ascending to be with God, is the second
part. With that, the circle is complete. No
matter how much you describe it, sing
about it, discuss it or imagine it unless
you have put a morsel of food in your
mouth, it is not going to satisfy your
hunger. If you are really and truly hungry
for God, only experience can satisfy you.
Descriptions and endless talking about
God are not going to help anyone.
Narada once developed tremendous

conceit he thought he was the best
devotee of the Lord and, one day, he said
to Narayana in jest, O Narayana! Who
is your greatest devotee? Narayana
knew that it was just Naradas ego which
was making him ask the question and he
was after a certificate which he could
display wherever he went in the world,
signed and certified by Lord Narayana,
saying that Narada was the greatest
devotee.
God has already done His part of the

duty by coming to where you are.
Now it is your duty to go and see God,
where He is.
There is no need for any certification.

Your conduct will be the certificate of
devotion.
My devotees should yearn to be dear to

Me. If you are dear to Me, you will be
near to Me. Nearness does not mean you
are dear. Many people have lived with
Me for many years and have developed
horns on their heads, thinking they are so
dear to Me. Truly speaking, I have to
keep such people close to Me so that
they dont go and trouble others outside!
It is not always that they are so dear it
is to save My devotees outside that I
must bear the burden of keeping certain
people around Me; just like Shiva keeps
a serpent around His neck so that it
doesnt go and bite others!

Then Lord Narayana said, There is a

farmer on Earth, and he is My dearest
and greatest devotee.
Narada was very upset. He thought, Let
me go and find out for myself, and went
all the way down to the Earth where this
farmer was living.
He watched him throughout the day.
When the farmer woke up, he
remembered Lord Narayana, continued
with his morning prayers and ablutions
and then went to his fields.
At midday, again he thought about Lord

Narayana once before taking his meals.
Then again, before sleeping, he
remembered Lord Narayana.
returned, he proudly said, Lord, I have

fulfilled what you had asked me to do. I
have not dropped even one drop of oil
from the vessel!
So Narada counted: one, two, three. He

thought, It was only three times during
the day, that this farmer remembered
the Lord, whereas I keep chanting His
name all the time. Obviously Im the
greater devotee!
Narayana said, Thats very good, but

tell Me, how many times did you chant
My name during this exercise?
Then Narada realised, that not even once,
had he remembered Lord Narayana.
Narayana said, You have no family, no
children, no business to look after, no
loans to repay, nothing to do, but sitting
and chanting My name all day long.
Look at that farmer he has to look after
his farm, his family, his children and
still hes able to remember Me three
times. Therefore, he is the greater
devotee.
He went and argued with the Lord, but

Lord Narayana wanted to teach him a
lesson, He gave him a pot full of oil and
told Narada to put it on his head and go
around the world, saying, If you dont
drop one drop of oil, then you are
definitely My greatest devotee.
Narada thought it was quite simple, so he
put the pot of oil on his head, and
balancing it carefully, went around the
world. As he travelled, he was very
careful not to drop any oil, wanting to
win the prize of being known as the
greatest devotee.
Giving up everything, hiding in a forest,

and chanting My name is not going to
grant you darshan. Being in the
community, working for the community,
doing your duties discharging them
correctly and being a kind person,
would win you the Lords grace far more
When he had finished his circuit and

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that is the way you will come to

experience Me.
easily, wherever you are.

Do everything for the sake of Swami.
Ask yourself, If I do this, would my
Swami be pleased? Or would He not? If
I would be happy, do it. If your heart
says, Swami wont be happy, dont do
it. However difficult it may be, however
complicated it might look, if your heart
says that it will please Me, have the
courage to go and do it. If your heart
says that it would not please Me, have
great courage not to do it.
Many people have worked very hard to

develop the medical centre here. I know
the trials and tribulations each one of you
has gone through but what seemed
impossible has happened, not just
because of My grace, but through your
sincere efforts. When your effort and My
grace meet, anything is possible. That
you must believe.
I am ready with My hand but your
hand has to join Mine. To clap, two
hands are needed.
That is the only way to lead your lives.

Be here in the world and you will be able
to realise God. It is nothing very
complicated to know and experience
God, for that is what you are; that is your
truth. It is just that it is covered by too
many layers of I and mine. Layer by
layer, remove everything progress
through we and ours, then you will
reach He, the Divine.
I am delighted to know that service in

this centre will start very soon. I assure
you that it will grow into a centre of
great service and spirituality. I give My
blessing to all the devotees who have
joined hands to help serve the people of
this land to which you all belong.
Mother and motherland are greater than
heaven. If you serve your mother and if
you serve your motherland, it is
equivalent to having experienced heaven.
One hand remembering the Lord, the

other serving the Lord, is the right way.
Where do you serve Me? At least when I
had a body, you could come and serve
Me you were able to touch My feet;
you were able to offer Me food and look
after My personal comforts. However,
Swamis body is no longer there to be
served. However, all bodies are My
bodies. I dwell in all. So, whomever you
serve, you serve Me.
The joy of service will make you forget

all short-term pleasures, like the chataka
bird that waits only for pure raindrops
and does not drink from dirty pools and
ponds. In the same way, you must only
experience the bliss of the Divine and
not spoil your taste with other lowly,
worldly pleasures. Live in a way that is
true to your nature, true to your Divinity.
With that breadth of vision, you will

truly be able to love and serve Me and
If you have any questions anything you want to clarify, you may ask now.
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Question and Answer Session
who could not understand and accept Me
as a Divine Master. Even today, there are
people who are still not done accusing
Sai Baba of things that are not true. I tell
you, God is the Indweller of all hearts
and He prompts you from within, like a
good friend but it is only if you listen
to his advice that you can benefit. If you
listen to your mind, you cannot.
Question 1: Swami, why is there so

much confusion amongst Sai devotees in
accepting You in the subtle form? How
can this drama help in Swamis mission?
In a market full of noise, if you want to

talk to your friend, you wont be able to
hear him, because the noise around will
drown the voice of your friend and the
lack of clarity will tend to cause you to
misunderstand what is being said. If you
take him to a corner, or a quiet place and
talk to him closely, when there is no
noise, you can hear his voice clearly.
There are some people who only listen to
the mind, which makes lots of noise and
always tries to make you accept what it
says, as true. There are some who try to
listen to the heart, but the noisy mind is
still there so they hear some things that
the heart is saying, but dont hear
everything, and they become confused.
Then, there are others who have the
courage to shut off their mind, go to the
silent depths of their own hearts and
listen to what heart is saying, and in this
way, they are able to decide and know
the truth.
Answer: I was the Indweller of every

heart even before I came as Sathya Sai
Baba; I was the Indweller of every heart
whilst I lived physically as Sathya Sai
Baba; I will continue to be the Indweller
of every heart even after I cease to exist
as Sathya Sai Baba because Sathya Sai
Baba was the manifestation of the
unmanifest. The truth is the unmanifest,
which is there at all times, in all beings.
Even when I came as Sathya Sai Baba
with a form while I was still the
Indweller of every heart did everyone
accept Me as their Master? There were
still a great many people, worldwide,

A teacher teaches all the students in a
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Japan, I had the good fortune to

intuitively receive the message that, at
the time when You gave up Your
physical body, You were also taking
upon Yourself the nuclear disaster. Later
on, I found that that there was a person to
whom You appeared and informed that
You had to go in order to prevent the
Fukushima disaster from happening. I
would just like Your comment on this.
class. Do all the students get 100%

marks? The same heart speaks to
everyone; the same God speaks to
everyone within but it depends on how
much you practise and follow what the
heart says, just as it depends on how
much effort the students make in order to
do well in their examinations.
The teacher makes no distinctions; he
teaches the same lesson to every student,
but the results depend on who makes an
effort who listens to the teacher and
who does not.
My second question is, Ive been brought

up as a Christian, and we have very
strong views about homosexuality.
Theres a lot of argument and debate
about same-sex marriage. Could you
please advise on this issue?
The sun shines equally on all continents.

If you close the doors and windows, who
can help you with the darkness that you
experience? Rain pours from the sky, but
if you keep your bowl upside down, how
can you collect the water? The wind is
blowing all the time, but if you choose
not to breathe and suffer as a result, who
can help you? The choice that you need
to make is between listening to Me, the
Indweller, and listening to the mind,
which is very treacherous. When they
make this choice and truly listen to their
heart, all confusion will disappear and
certainty will come.
Answer: There are so many disasters

and I dont even keep a count of how
many I have taken upon Myself. It is not
my nature to remember how many I have
helped in how many ways. Love just
gives and forgives. It doesnt keep an
account of what it does for whom. Know
for sure that every person who has been
saved has been saved by Gods grace
alone. The times that the world would
have broken in two, for the amount of
selfish deeds people have done and the
consequences which should have borne, I
havent kept count whether in Japan, or
America, or India, or Malaysia I dont
keep a count of these things it is not
My nature. I only know to give.
A few moments ago, I said that My

being there alone is not enough your
being there is equally important. Only
good students will benefit from the
lessons taught by a good teacher,
otherwise all the words will fall on deaf
ears. Those who practise will know the
truth. Practise listening to your heart;
that will help.
Swami had to leave the body early

because he had to take upon himself a
many such disasters that would have,
otherwise, made the world go through
very, very tough times.
Whatever you do, nature is the reaction,
reflection and resound of your own
thoughts, words and deeds.
Question 2: In 2011, when the

Fukushima nuclear disaster happened in

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How many Avatars will have to come to

bear the consequences of your actions?
You only remember Swami when you
are in difficult times but if you
remember God at every moment, then
you will never get into any difficulty.
You would never have to suffer any
negative consequences, because you
would never do any negative action.
Everything would be positive and
blissful.
Therefore, nature would definitely have

reacted to what you did. Karma is the
law of this universe; every action must
have a reaction and somebody has to
bear the reaction.
If somebody has not paid for food, it
means somebody else must have paid
nobody gets free food.
The results of all your karmas has to be
experienced. The only karmas from
which you dont have to experience the
results, are those which are selfless,
because there are no consequences for
selfless actions; the only consequences
are bliss and love.
The human body is given only for the

purpose of attaining God. It is a boat, in
which you can travel across the ocean.
But if the body it is only considered as a
bundle of senses and the bodys only
needs are to fulfil ones own physical
pleasures then this is not the right use. A
knife can be used to save a patient by
operating upon him or can be used to
harm somebody when it is in the hands
of a robber. The body itself is not at
fault; it is the mind which drives the
body.
Every selfish action has a detrimental

reaction. Yes, if it makes you happy to
know that I have taken these disasters
upon Myself, so be it but the truth is, it
should shake up the conscience of
mankind to see how many times you
pass on the consequences of your deeds
to someone else to suffer. When are you
going to be selfless and see to it that all
can live in peace and harmony?
Everything that has been given to man, is

for a particular purpose the mouth has
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Man minus desires equals God so, if you

know the right use of your body, which
is to engage itself in dharma dharma
sadhana that is to engage in good,
righteous conduct and thereby attain
God, then there is no way you can
deviate. All our answers lie in only one
thing what is the purpose of life?
been given to speak, the ears have been

given to listen, the eyes have been given
to see. Similarly, every sense is there for
a purpose and, as long as it is used for
that purpose, it is the correct use. If it is
only for the sake of deriving pleasures
then it is the wrong use. The tongue can
taste the sweet payasam. It can also eat
flesh and enjoy it but the tongue is not
meant for the purpose of killing
something, eating its flesh and enjoying
it.
Is it to live like animals? Or is it to live

like the divine? If you stoop to becoming
an animal, then your destiny will be
animal. If you can rise up to become
divine, then your destiny will be divine.
Ears are given to listen to the name of

God. They can also listen to all kinds of
things which are not so good but the
correct use of ears is to listen to good
things.
Man is a combination of animal and

man. So when you say Im a man, it is
a half-truth. I am a man, and not an
animal, is the complete truth. Think like
this and you will know all the answers to
all your questions in your daily lives.
Eyes are given to see the beauty of

nature to understand how God
manifests within nature and to enjoy the
bliss. However, the same eyes can see
and enjoy things that are not divine but
that is not the right use for the eyes.
Question: Bhagawan, many families are

experiencing conflicts as a result of Your
now being the Subtle Form. Sometimes,
it is very sad for us to hear these things.
How long will these leelas continue?
In the same way, every sense has a

particular use, a particular role to
perform. As long as it is performing the
role that it is intended for, there is
nothing wrong, but when you only use
them merely for pleasure, it is wrong. So
one must understand the very purpose of
why one is born. If you know your
purpose is to realise your divine nature,
all other questions will be answered of
their own accord. If you think your
purpose is only to lead a life of temporal
pleasures, then there will be endless
confusion.
Answer: Families will experience

conflict about whether they believe in
My Subtle Form or not, as long as they
have egos. If they think that, what they
alone say is right, what they alone know
is truth, what they alone hear is correct,
then nobody can help. Many times, there
are conflicts between husband and wife.
If both of them are speaking the truth,
where is the question of conflict? It is
only if one person is not correct can there
be conflict. If you are really listening to
your hearts, there will be no conflict. If
some of you listen to your minds,
obviously there will be conflict.
These senses are like fire the more

wood you put on it, the more it will ask
for. The only solution is to not put any
wood onto it, so that it dies on its own.
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onwards, the love, the kindness with

which you lead your lives, both within
family and without, will be the proof of
Swamis presence.
If all the members of the family are truly

listening to their hearts, not only in this
matter, but in every matter that relates to
their family, then there will never be any
conflict because they will all have the
same answer to the same question. So, it
is not I who create conflict it is you
who create the conflict; I have always
been there to bring peace.
It is said that if something has touched

the Philosophers Stone, it will change
into gold. If you have truly experienced
Me, you will change and that change will
be the proof of My existence. There is no
point in fighting a verbal battle at home.
Instead, start changing yourself and truly
start living, from this moment onwards,
the way I expect you to.
However, if there is a person who is

sincerely finding it difficult, and
suffering as a result, how do you help
them?
Looking at the transformation that has

occurred in you, others will change. A
fire cannot be doused by adding more oil
you have to quench it with water.
When you feel that I am around you,

when you feel it is Me telling you how to
live your life and progress, by changing
your attitude, by changing your acts,
thoughts and words that is what you
can impress upon them.
Arguments will not dissolve any conflict.

It is only when you listen to your heart
and behave in a kind way will you be
able to resolve any conflict, whatever it
may be.
When you return home from this satsang

and your husband sees you and asks
what happened and sees the love, the
peace, the kindness with which you
answer the question from that moment
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Question: Swami has said that nature,

time and karma are under the control of
God. Yet, humans have limited free will
and God is the dispenser of truth and
action. In this aspect, man is different
from God. It is not always true that the
individual and the Universal are one and
the same. In one sense, they are different
and in another, they are inseparable.
is like pot water. Finally, when all the

cups and pots are broken, the water
merges back into the river that it is like
atma-bhava and you feel that you and
that river are one.
This relationship of distinction and

oneness is beyond the capacity of the
intellect to grasp. It can be understood
only through the Vedas and their
message. Swami, can You help us to
understand?
It depends on your stage of spiritual

evolution. For a primary school child, the
sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
That is the truth, because that is all he
can understand. For a high school child,
the sun neither rises nor sets that is the
truth as he understands it. For a scientist,
the sun is the action and reaction of gases
hydrogen and helium. That is the way
in which he understands the sun.
At first, Jesus said, I am messenger of

God, then later on he said, I am the son
of God. Finally, he said, I am God. My
Father and I are one.
Answer: Water descends as rain. Rain

becomes a river. Someone fills a pot with
water from the river. Now you refer to it
as pot water but, earlier, it was referred
to as river water. Next, someone else
takes a cup of water from the pot. Now it
is called a cup of water. The water in
the river is the same as both the water in
the pot and the water in the cup. There is
no difference the nature of the water is
just the same, even if the quantity, or the
shape, or size of the vessel that carries it
may be different.
Your understanding will vary, depending

upon how much you have grown
spiritually, but truth does not vary. It
depends on how much you have evolved
and, only by experiencing the truth will
you
know
the
real
truth.
Brahmavid brahmaiva bhavati the one
who knows Brahman becomes Brahman.
Therefore, if you perceive external
differences, it is not because there are,
truly, any differences it is because you
have not yet evolved sufficiently to
understand the oneness of all.
Similarly, with the deha-bhava, that is,

when you are still not able to overcome
attachment to this body, it is like water in
a cup and defining it as drinking water.
You refer to your body as myself but
the body is also Divine. When your
spiritual growth develops a little further,
you will feel that you are nothing but a
part of the one Divine Self; a crystal of
sugar within the huge mountain of sugar
that is God.
When you give up deha-atma-bhavam,

when you give up jiva-atma-bhavam, as
you progress, you arrive at paramaatmabhavam and that is when you realise
the Divine.
It is like this building there is a ground
floor, a first floor and a second floor.
From the ground floor, you ascend to the
first, and from the first, you go up to the
When you feel that oneness within, you

have developed jeeva-atma-bhava this
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the heart, you will ascend. Your

understanding will improve and then you
will see everything as one. You will not
see the walls and pillars which
distinguish this area you will see the
whole space as one.
second. All are part of the same building.

The difference is only because you are
on the ground floor and, right now, you
can only see the ground floor.
As you ascend, you can see the first and,
as you ascend further still, you can see
the top. When you arrive at the top, you
realise that all the floors are part of the
same building.
The easiest path is Not me, not me.

If you render service, your ego will
deflate, attachment to your body will
decrease, attachment to your mind will
diminish and then you can understand
the truth better.
Question: For a busy person, when it

comes to selfless service and all that,
would serving the parents and immediate
family members alone be sufficient,
without any engagement with society in
relation to selfless service?
The second question is that You have
mentioned at some point that You are
ushering in the Golden Age now and that
it will last for so many years. What
happens to the world after the Golden
Age?
Answer: Service can be given to anyone.
Even speaking kindly to your elders is
service. If you listen patiently to others,
even that is service. There is no end to
ones busy schedule in this world. One is
constantly getting busier and busier.
Look at your own life when you were a
child, you were less busy; when you
went to college, you became busier; as
you matured and became a householder,
you became still busier. This will keep
on happening.
It is because there are floors that there

are three levels. If you remove all the
walls and slabs, it is the same space that
exists at the ground, the first and the
second levels it all depends on your
state of spiritual evolution.
To help you understand this concept
better, I have said, Give up the body;
the body is a bubble on the water do
not follow the body. The mind is a mad
monkey do not follow the mind.
Follow the heart. If you keep following

However, if you can serve your parents,

it is, after all, only duty with love. It is
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how to divide your time correctly and

progress accordingly.
your duty to serve your parents. Duty

without love is deplorable. Duty with
love, is desirable but love, without a
feeling of duty, is Divine. True service is
when there is no sense of duty in it;
wanting to love, wanting to serve
because you feel all are yours.
That is the way you should think when it

comes to service, because your busy
schedule is no excuse. However busy
you are, you still have to breathe, dont
you? However busy you are, you still
have to eat. Service should become like
your breath it should be automatic. It
should be happening all the time in the
office, or not; whilst you are at home and
while you are out and about.
Serving your parents is service, but of a

lesser kind. The highest service is when
there is no sense of duty involved. If you
dont serve your parents, you are not
being a son you are not doing your
duty and that is a sin. Serving your
parents does not mean that you are truly
serving you are doing it as a part of
your duty. Though you are doing your
duty with love, which is desirable, the
highest of all is love without any sense of
duty.
Every one of your actions should be a

service without any expectation, then it
will become Divine. When you start
living your life like this when all start
living lives like this then the Golden
Age will dawn.
The Golden Age is not a particular time
or a particular place. As we are travelling
around these countries, in Australia, the
sun rises first; in Singapore it rises a little
later; in India, later still. Long after, it
comes to London.
Loving anyone, serving anyone, without

any expectations and where there is no
relationship, is the highest kind of
service and that service alone can
liberate you. Therefore, you must find
time to give the kind of service which is
not bound by any sense of duty. That
will help you, truly.
It is the same sun; it just depends upon

where you are sunrise is defined by
that alone. The Golden Age is happening
every moment, depending upon your
spiritual evolution. For a person who has
realised his divine nature, the Golden
Age is here and now. For the person who
has yet to attain that, it has yet to happen.
Where there is a will, there is a way. If

you work a little less, you will earn a
little less thats all. However, you can
render service in the extra time that you
will have to spare.
Why are you born? The purpose of birth
is not to accumulate things; it is not just
to have a big family; it is not to gain
fame or popularity all these will
disappear in a moment. Dont be proud
of your youth, your money, or your
people. All these are temporary in just
one moment, it can all disappear. If you
know the purpose of life, you will know
When most of the people in the world

lead a life of purity, of divine realisation,
then you will see all around you, people
who can feel the Golden Age because
they have golden hearts.
Such an age will last forever, for those
who can live forever in that way.
There is no point in worrying how long,
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how far all these are immaterial.

More importantly, in this Golden Age of
Sathya Yuga, how can it be of
consequence to you if it does not help
you? What are you doing about it?
How many of you are confident that,

after listening to all this, you will go and
actually put it all into practice? That is
My question.
In the Kali Yuga, you can realise the

Golden Age but the Golden Age can
also be turned into a Kali Yuga. It all
depends on you and your deeds. For the
one who closes his eyes and sleeps
through the day, day is night. For the one
who works hard and achieves something,
night becomes day. It all depends on
what you are the Golden age depends
on just that.
Everybody should say Yes, we are!

The way you think, is how you will
become. Sow a thought, reap an action;
sow an action, reap a habit; sow a habit,
reap a tendency; tendency shapes
character, which shapes destiny.
So, it starts from the very first thought
and ends in your destiny. If you think
now, that, yes, Swami has taken so much
trouble, out of love alone, to come all the
way here to bring all these very busy
people from India just to talk to you and
tell you how to live your lives, should
you not make the effort to transform
yourselves, from this very moment on?
Should you not, tomorrow, look different
to your own people? More kind, more
compassionate? More selfless?
Question: How to differentiate between

myself the ego and the Atma?
Answer: When there is a sense of I in
it I and mine then it is only your
ego, your sense of separate self. When
you feel everything is we and ours,
then you are identifying yourself with the
Divine or Atma. That is the only
difference.
Think in this way decide and do. Dont

postpone it for another day the best day
is today. The best moment to do it is
now.
When you feel selfish I and mine

you are identifying yourself only with
your body and mind.
The bhajan Hari Bhajana Bina was

sung after Bhagawans divine discourse.
Then,
the
youth
of
Sai
Ananda were given the opportunity to
present three musical offerings to
Swami (Nee Naninthal, Sejahtera
Malaysia and Teri Bin Suni Lage
Zindagi). In between the songs, poems
dedicated to Swami were narrated,
featuring beautiful excerpts from
Swamis previous discourses.
When you think it is for us, it is ours,

you are identifying yourself with the
Divine Atma.
Whatever you think, say or do, if you do
it only out of selfishness, you are
identifying with body and mind. If you
do it selflessly, you are identifying
yourself with Atma. That is the only
difference.
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Day 2 1st October, 2015

Morning Session at Ayavoo Residence

Excerpts from talk by Sri V. Kumar

Once while studying in Parthi, an elderly gentleman gave a
lecture on a deep spiritual topic. Within ten minutes,
everyone was asleep! As a student, I could not digest it at
all. That evening, Swami came and explained the entire
teaching in a few short sentences. He said, Just love Me.
Just think of Me. That is enough."
Every day, we go through many different experiences
friends tell us many things; we get upset; we meet our
lecturers or bosses. Many times we feel these people were
born just to make our lives more painful!
We must then ask ourselves: have I thought enough of Swami? He is the panacea
for all the ills. He is the beginning and the end. He is also the journey. So that is
what we really need to do think of Bhagawan right from morning till evening.
Then, as we keep doing what we want to do, God will make sure we are on the
right track. He will make sure everything is converted into a divine offering. This
is practical spirituality just thinking of Him incessantly, building up the
intensity, and living with Him every moment. That will make us dear to Him.


These days, Swami makes a very powerful statement, When
I was in the physical body, you were known because of Me.
People recognised you because people saw Sathya Sai Baba.
Oh, Hes such a great Divine Master and these people are his
devotees. Therefore, society recognised you as devotees of
Sathya Sai Baba. Then Swami says, Today, I should be
known because of you.
Today, I can assure you that whoever comes and sees what is happening here in
Sai Ananda, Malaysia will know that your Master is very great. If these people can
have so much dedication and do so much, how great should their Master be?
Krishna said, and Baba also says, Whoever practices My teaching selfless love
and selfless service whoever has offered their mind to Me, to them I shall grant
glory in both material life and spiritual life. Swami is saying He will give us both.
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Morning Session at Ayavoo Residence

Divine Discourse
Swami now? It is because, when they
needed Me, I did all that was needed for
them; because of My love, which I gave
to them in their times of need and
brought them up well like a divine
parent. Now, as they have grown up,
they have come to understand their
responsibilities and are discharging their
duties towards Me towards society.
When a child is born, he thinks that it is

right to ask his father for things that he
likes. That is true; it is the fathers
responsibility to provide what the child
needs. However, when the same child
grows up and the father grows old, it is
then the fathers right to ask his child for
whatever he needs or requires, and it is
childs responsibility to provide for his
ageing father.
Nowadays, parents are very busy. The

father is busy, the mother is busy;
everybody is so busy that mothers, in
order to help the family earn a few more
rupees, take up very difficult jobs and
then they put their children into nursery
schools where the children are looked
after by other women.
If the father discharges his duties and

responsibilities to a young child, he will
definitely be assured of his needs when
he grows old. If parents take care of their
children in the right way, the children
will definitely take care of their parents
when they grow old. As you give, so you
receive. In fact, when you give, be
assured that you will receive much more
for in giving, is the secret of receiving.
There is only one purpose for which

you are born to realise your Divinity.
Parents have a great responsibility, not

only towards their children, but also
towards society and the nation. When
they bring a child into this world, they
are also bringing a citizen of that nation
and another human being into the world.
Therefore, it is crucially important not
just to give birth to the child, but to bring
him or her up in the right way, so that he
or she becomes a good, responsible
citizen of the nation, as well.
If you place your children in such

schools and do not look after them
directly, when they grow up, they will
also put you into old peoples homes and
you, too, will be looked after by o. All
they will do is send money to the place
for your maintenance and expenses.
Unless you develop this heart-to-heart
Narasimha Murthy asked, What makes

these people in Malaysia do so much for

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bond with your children, you will not

receive the same love when you grow
old. Gratitude will only develop within
them if you have looked after them
selflessly and brought them up well.
After that the cat had borne kittens,

Einstein thought, Now I need to make
more holes in the door for the kittens to
come and go, too. So he started making
holes in the door smaller holes.
I see here generations of devotees, there

are grandfathers, fathers, and even
grandsons. The manner in which the
grandfather lives his life and brings up
his son, so will the son walk in the
footsteps of his father.
His wife came by and asked what he was

doing. He replied, The cat now has
kittens and they, too, need to enter and
leave. I dont want to be disturbed,
opening and closing the doors, so I am
making more holes.
Likewise, it is not difficult if you become

dear to God, if you follow in the
footsteps of God. You have to see that
your children also learn this from you
and then they, too, will follow in your
footsteps. Whatever parents do, the
children will see and learn; what you say
is not enough but what you do, your
children will see and learn and they
will follow in your footsteps. It is very
important for parents to lead exemplary
lives; lives full of love and service. Only
then will the children learn and follow in
their footsteps.
His wife said, You are a great scientist,

but you dont have an iota of common
sense. Dont you see? If the cat can come
through that hole, the kittens will follow
the mother and enter and leave through
the same hole. You dont need to make
more holes.
Einstein was a great scientist. He was

very intelligent but lacked common
sense. Most highly-educated people are
like that. They have a lot of knowledge,
but very little practical or common sense.
He had a pet cat that was very dear to
him. He was so fond of the cat that,
wherever he was, he allowed the cat to
stay with him; even when he was doing
his experiments, the cat would be sitting
by his side. The cat became a mother and
gave birth to a few kittens. Because the
cat used to disturb Einstein, every time it
wanted to enter his laboratory, Einstein
made a small hole in the door for the cat
to come in and go out, so that it did not
disturb him whilst he was working.
If, tomorrow, children do not lead a life

of service and sacrifice, verily, the fault
would lie with the parents for not
showing them the right way. Parents
want the children to do well attain
good degrees, take up a good job, earn
well and have everything in plenty.
These desires are not wrong in
themselves.
As
parents,
their
responsibility is to see to that their
children are independent and can take
care of themselves; that they have
education, knowledge and meaningful
work to do in the world but, above all
these responsibilities, the highest is that
they should go towards God.
The meaning of this story is that,

wherever parents go, the children will
follow. If parents lead the children
towards God, the children will also go
towards God. If parents lead the children
towards the world, the children will also
go towards the world.
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a few more shadows.
Different people will give you different

opinions
based
on
their
own
understanding of things. Let Me ask you
a question how many of them really
lead a life of joy? Do you think that
accumulating material objects will give
them more happiness? From a smaller
car to a bigger car to a much bigger car?
From a smaller house to a bigger house
and, then, a much bigger house? From a
small family to more and more?
There will be no end to this. How can

that which is unreal, that which does not
exist, give you real or permanent joy? If
you want to have vegetarian food in a
restaurant, you need to go to a vegetarian
restaurant. You need to look at the board
outside the place to see what it says. If it
says it is a vegetarian restaurant, then
you can go and eat there.
If you go to a non-vegetarian restaurant
and ask for vegetarian dishes like idli,
dosai or sambar, who is going to serve
you? For sure, someone is going to ask
you, Did not you see the board outside
before coming in?
This is never-ending. The more you try

to do, the more you become dissatisfied
and spend your entire life trying to make
yourself happy, you cannot be happy.
You can only be happy if you make
others happy. If you make God happy,
everyone around you will be happy, and
you will be happy within yourself.
Theres a big board on the world saying,

Temporary, ephemeral, transient
nothing permanent can be obtained here.
Having entered this temporal world, if
you demand permanent things, you are
obviously not going to get them. Know
that all that you see in this world, is just
temporary. It will only last as long as
your body However, you live on in the
memory of the people who remember
you for the good that you have done to
Happiness is union with God. It is only

when you lead your life in unison with
God that you attain permanent or true
happiness. Until then, it will be like
chasing shadows for a moment it may
seem you have grasped it, but the next
moment it will slip through your fingers
and you will be miserable again, chasing

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them.
He tried a third time, and failed again!
Even today, people still love, worship,

and adore Sai Baba. It is not because Sai
Baba is still physically present as He was
then, but because He is present in the
hearts of the men and women whom He
had served selflessly, whom He had
loved selflessly. By the principle of
reflection, reaction and resound, all the
love and selflessness comes back to Him.
Then he understood. He thought he could

understand the Lord. He had such ego,
that he thought he knew what the Lord
looked like and that he could paint him
but the truth was, he knew nothing.
The next day, he came and said, Lord, I
am very confident that today it will not
mismatch. It will truly be like You,
and he revealed what he had brought.
There was no canvas, there was no
painting it was simply a mirror and
when Krishna smiled, the reflection also
smiled; when Krishna laughed, the
reflection also laughed. It was truly
Krishna that he could express on that
mirror.
God has no particular form, name, shape,

size or other attributes He will be
whatever you envisage. If you feel that
God is love, you will feel nothing but
love. If you feel God is not love, then
you will not feel love. Whatever your
perception is, so will He attain that form.
Our hearts are like mirrors. If they are

pure and clean, we can definitely reflect
God in our hearts. Any other way of
understanding God is simply a waste of
time. Singing His glory, describing Him,
talking about Him you will never be
able to completely capture the essence of
God. You can see only when you have a
pure and clean heart; thats when He will
reflect within your heart and that is
how you will understand Him and know
Him.
In the time of Krishna, a great artist once

came who was very proud of his
knowledge and skills in painting. He
issued a challenge that nobody could
paint better than him. Krishna gave him a
small task, in order to deflate his ego. He
said, Can you paint Me?
The artist said, Of course I can paint a
portrait of you.
Krishna said to him, Come tomorrow.
The artist came with all his canvases,
paints and brushes and started sketching
Krishna. Once he had done the basic
work, he said, Let me go home, finish it
and bring it tomorrow. Krishna agreed.
He went back home, finished the
painting, and came back the next day,
but when he looked, they were totally
different the painting looked different
from Krishnas appearance that day.
Everything selfish is impurity. It is like

the dust that settles on a mirror; it
prevents you from seeing your reflection.
If you remove all the dust of selfish
impurities, the mirror will become clean.
Wipe it clean with acts of selflessness
and all the impurities the dust of
selfishness and the mirror will become
bright and clean for God to reflect in
and your life will fully become a
reflection of His life.
So he tried again the next day. Again,

when he finished, he saw that the
painting did not match Krishnas looks.

There is only one purpose for which you

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are born - to realise your Divinity.

Everything else that you do, should
surely help you to attain that rather than
lead you away from the path. If you want
to come to Malaysia from India, you
have to buy a ticket which takes you to
Malaysia.
There is only one purpose

for which you are born
is to realise Your Divinity.
If you buy another ticket, you can go to

other places, but not to Malaysia. If you
want to reach God, the only ticket you
require is selfless service and selfless
love. Only through that can you reach
Me. With other tickets, you may reach
other destinations, but you will not reach
Me.
Do not create unnecessary differences

that is the mistake that everybody made
earlier, as a result of which, so much of
My work is suffering now. Do not repeat
those mistakes. If you do it unknowingly,
it is a mistake if you do it knowingly, it
is a crime. Desist from committing
mistakes that you know you should not
be making treat and respect everyone
as Swami Himself.
All these young people must continue to

serve with humility, love and
brotherliness. Nobody should become
conceited, thinking that he is the leader
and the others are followers. Do not
create such divisions.
All of you are nothing but Myself. Think

from My point of view, not from your
personal point of view. Think what I
would expect you to do, what I would
expect you to say and do not think
from your individual point of view.
You may feel that all are different, but

are all one. There may be five fingers on
a hand and one may be smaller than the
others, but when all the fingers function
together, the hand can do a lot of work.
When they work separately, they cannot
do anything. One finger alone cannot
even lift a tumbler. You need all five to
work together. Although they are
different sizes and shapes, when they all
work together, they can do any amount
of work.
When you listen to your mind, it will

give different answers based on your
own ideas. When you refer questions to
your heart, it will always give you the
same answer, because the heart is the
same in everyone it is the same Atma
which resides in all beings. Take notice
of your heart in every decision, not your
mind.
Some here are older, some are young,

some are ageing. Some are lawyers,
others
are
architects,
engineers,
administrators they resemble the
different fingers of the hand. The hand is
Me. When all five fingers act together,
you will be able to do My work.
A rich man had cattle that were taken

into the jungle to graze. Along with his
own cattle were those of a poor man, the
herdsman in charge of all the cattle.
On one occasion, the bull that belonged
to the poor herdsman and the bull that
belonged to the rich man, fought with
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poor old man.
each other. Their long horns did much

harm to each other and, in the end, the
rich mans bull died. The poor man was
very afraid. He thought that if he
reported it to the rich man, he would
definitely be punished.
If you listen to your mind, which is full

of selfishness, it will give you different
answers based on your likes and dislikes.
If you only listen to God within you,
God will tell you the right thing to do.
He will tell you the same thing,
whenever you encounter a difficult
situation. If you have different opinions
in your head, find a silent corner and
pray to Me deeply, Swami, we all think
differently on this particular issue; I want
Your point of view. I want You to tell
me what You want us all to do. Take
My word if you pray sincerely, all of
you will get the same answer. It cannot
be different.
Gathering some courage, he came back,

and said to the rich man, Master, I have
something to tell you.
The landowner said, Yes, go ahead, tell
me.
The poor man said, Master, today there
was a fight between your bull and my
bull.
The rich man said, So, what is unique
about that? Even people fight all the
time. What about bulls? Thats quite
natural.
If you go to a Shiva temple where a

lingam is installed, everyone who goes
will only see the lingam there. Nobody is
going to see an idol of Narayana or
Lakshmi or Durga. What is there is what
will be seen.
The poor old man was a bit relieved.

Then, he nervously reported, Your bull
killed my bull.
The rich man said, So what? Everybody
who is born, has to die some day. It does
not matter.
In the same way, if you truly refer every

question that you have to Me in your
heart, you will get the same, single
answer. There will always be unity
unity of thought, word and deed.
Then the poor man realised oh, he had

made a mistake. Now, he said, Im
sorry, I reported it the wrong way out of
nervousness. Actually, it was my bull
which killed your bull.
Remember, when you work, anything

that is negative is not Me. Any trace of
anger, jealousy, or ego all that is
negative is not Me. Immediately ask
yourself, Why am I undergoing these
negative emotions? Why am I
experiencing these negative feelings?
The landowner said, How dare your

bull kill my bull? He called the servants
and punished the poor old man.
Therefore, depending on your ideas and
attitudes, you will get different answers.
Then you must remind yourself, It is

because the negativity lies within me, not
outside. I get angry because anger lies
within me. I become egotistical because
ego lies within me. Likewise, I feel
loving because love lies within me.
When it was the bull of the poor man, the

rich man said, Death is natural. Whats
so different about it? When he said it
was the rich mans bull that died, he was
immediately angry and he punished the

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established here and there are some

difficulties in acquiring the machines,
immediately after I return to India, I will
send five machines to start off the
dialysis centre. The rest will also come;
within a month everything will be
equipped.
What is there inside you, is what you

will reflect outside.
It is a great opportunity to expand My
mission in Malaysia and you should all
consider yourselves as the fingers of My
hand. When all of you work together, I
will be able to do My work.
A train needs an engine to pull it.

(Referring to the Ayavoo family) This
family has been like an engine which has
which sacrificed everything for the sake
of pulling the train of seva and I am
very pleased.
Never allow any negative feeling to

creep in. The negative can be solved only
with the positive you have to think
positively.
Pray to Me, seek My guidance. Unless
your heart is convinced of the
correctness of any action, dont
undertake it. Let there be delay, that is
okay, but do not do things in a hurry just
to please your mind.
Who can tell who is close to Me or who

is far away? You may live for forty years
without becoming close to Me yet you
may live far away, and without even
meeting Me once, you may be close to
Me.
Always ask Swami what the right thing

to do is, and I will guide you; I am
waiting to guide you. I am waiting all the
time for you to come back to Me and ask
Me what to do.
Since
medical
centre
will
Krishna left the gopikas in Brindavan

long ago, and lived far away. He had
several wives yet people dont talk
about Krishnas wives now. Even today,
it is Radha-krishna that people think of;
be
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have been born later, but the mother has

equal love for all of her children. They
all belong to her. There may be many
places, many people, many seva
activities but there is only one Sai.
it is the one consort, Radha who stands

next to Krishna, not Sathyabhama or
Rukmini.
That closeness is rare. It is not physical
closeness to the Lord which matters, it is
only the closeness of the heart that will
ultimately make you immortal. When the
chapters of My mission are written by
people in the future, all the names, all
these stories, all the work that has been
done that you have all been doing, and
will do will become a part of My glory.
Keep doing such things like this

satsangs are very important to keep you
charged, energised, and focused. Every
month, people should meet in different
places, in order to give an opportunity to
everyone.
Begin the work slowly. I bless this whole
team with tremendous success. As long
as you all remain selfless, nothing can
stop My work. No force on Earth can
stop My work only selfishness can stop
this work, nothing else. So be selfless; do
everything without any expectations.
Every time you get any negative feeling
or emotion, immediately be on guard.
Remind yourself of your true nature
which is love, and discard that which is
not you.
Like the Ramayana and Bhagavatham,

when My stories are read by people in
the future, they will all be in tears to
know that such devotees existed who
did so much without any sense of
expectation, just doing it selflessly to
please Me. I am proud that I have such
devotees, and I am very happy to know
that you all are working together.
May this be just the first of many places
where this work is begun and developed.
Many more such places will come.
However, you must always remember
that it is the same mother who has given
birth to all the different children; one
might have been born early, one might

Work together in unity, be kind and

compassionate to everyone and truly
reflect Me in the pure mirror of your
heart. That is what will be seen by the
world tomorrow.
After the discourse, the children and youth of Sai Ananda presented Swami with
cards and gifts made by them. All the attendees were served a hearty meal, before
departing.

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Talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Its an extraordinary time we live in the maya is so
intense! This is the Kali Yuga the darkest age before the
dawn. Its so intense that no one can take their path. Were
so selfinvolved, we cant even concentrate. The five
senses are overstimulated, wherever we go.
This is a beautiful time to be incarnated, because one
person can change many. The positive energy, the selfless
energy of one person can change many. Swami has given
us the example of a candle when brought into a dark
room, the entire room is illuminated.
All of us gathered today either want to believe, dont
believe, cant believe or do believe. Only He knows. Soon,
we will disperse. What will you take with you? To your
family, to your lives, to your neighbours, to your business?

Excerpts from Sri C. Sreenivas

It does not matter what you know, it does not matter what
you say, it does not even matter what you believe. What
matters is what you can do at a given point in time.
There is nothing else in life. You may have a PhD or a number
of PhDs and forms of study or research or knowing of
comprehension of understanding. Nothing matters if you
cannot translate your tonne of knowledge, faith, and belief
into one ounce of impacting, touching action.
This morning, for example, Swami said, I saw your hall,
Ayavoo. Ayavoo told Him that he wished to install dialysis
machines, and Swami said, One small act of My service is, I
will set up the dialysis centre to provide free of cost care to
every patient in Malaysia."
Swami was not one given to platform articulation, but for genuine, meaningful
action because He is in the suffering of the sufferer; He undergoes the pain of
the person undergoing the pain. He is one with them.
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Even after shedding the physical body, was there anyone
who continued to shower His love and compassion on
everyone? An XRay, CT scanner, ultrasound, or any other
machine may show what is broken or intact in our body,
but it is the love and compassion of Swami which sees the
broken heart.
In modern times, when the maximum number of human
beings are inhabiting this planet, there are maximum
number of broken hearts. Broken hearts of the poor, as
well as the rich. It is the power of Swamis love and
compassion that repairs them.
Whether He had a physical body earlier, and now He does not have one, it does
not matter for Him and it should not matter for us as devotees. Because we
worship Him as God. We need not worship Him as a human body. It should not
make a difference because it does not make any difference for Him.
Whether it is His poor children in Malaysia who need dialysis, poor boys or girls
who need education in India or elsewhere, or His children in Nigeria who are in
dire need of healthcare for their hearts, Swami responds because He is our divine
father, He is our divine mother.

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Divine Discourse

I reside neither in Vaikuntha, nor in the
hearts of yogis. Wherever My devotees
sing My glory or chant My name, I
install Myself there. (Sanskrit Poem)
Then the Lord asked, Sage Agastya is

just a star in the vast sky, so the sky is
greater than Sage Agastya isn't it?
Embodiments of Divine Love!
Next, the Lord said, When I came down

as Vamana Avatar, with just one step, I
crossed the entire sky, so am I not
greater than the sky?
Sage Narada said, Yes, Lord. The sky is

greater than Sage Agastya.
Once, Lord Narayana asked the great

Sage Narada, Having travelled all over
the three worlds, what is the greatest
thing that you have ever seen?
Sage Narada said, Yes, Lord. You are

greater than the sky.
Sage Narada replied, Earth is the

greatest thing; it is so vast, it bears all its
inhabitants, it gives life, it sustains life
that is why it is called Mother Earth.
Therefore, the land on which people
reside, giving them food and life, is the
greatest.
Then the Lord said, However, I reside

in the hearts of My devotees. I danced to
please My devotees for a cup of
buttermilk. So, are My devotees not
greater than Me?
Sage Narada told, Yes, Lord. Your
devotees are greater than You.
Then the Lord asked, Yes, but the land

is only a small part of the Earth. The
oceans are larger than the land three
quarters of the Earth is covered with
water. Hence, the ocean is greater than
the land on Earth. Is it true? Is the ocean
greater than the land?
In fact, the devotees of the Lord are

greater than the Lord himself. For the
Lord resides in their hearts. Wherever
there is devotion pure love for the Lord
that is where the Lord resides.
There is nothing greater than the hearts
of devotees. A heart that is pure, full of
devotion, and full of selfless love is truly
the home of the Lord.
What is more, Sage Agastya drank all

the water of all the oceans, so isnt it a
fact that Sage Agastya must be
greater than the ocean?
There are many devotees gathered here.

They may call themselves devotees,
however, if a student goes to school,
Narada replied, Yes, Lord. Sage

Agastya is greater than the ocean.
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writes his own question paper, writes his

own answers, evaluates his own paper,
and gives himself a pass mark, saying, I
have passed, nobody is going to accept
such a certificate.
Where there is true love and true

service, the Lord will manifest.
There is no need to call or invite Him;
He will come of His own accord.
It is the teacher who must prepare the

question paper; the student must answer.
The teacher must correct, evaluate and
give the marks. The marks thus awarded
are the true reflection of the students
abilities.
The people of that place were going on a

pilgrimage to Pandharipur, where there is
a temple of Vitthala and His consort,
Rakhumai. When they were all leaving,
the little boy, Pundarika thought, How
nice it would be if I could visit this
temple and have darshan of the Lord.
In the same way, it is not enough just to

call yourselves devotees. It is the Lord
who must be able to call you His
devotee, just as it is the teacher who
must assign the marks.
What does the Lord expect of His
devotees? He does not expect them to
know the entire life-story of the Lord, or
to describe to others what the Lord has
done, what He is capable of doing, or
what He is going to do. Whether you say
it or not, the Lords glory will never
diminish.
However, when he looked at his old

parents, who needed his care, he decided,
The Lord resides in my mother, the
Lord resides in my father; let me serve
them. I am sure that my service will
reach
Panduranga
Vitthala in the
temple.
All the devotees left for the pilgrimage,
singing the glory of the Lord, walking all
the way to Pandharipur. However, this
little boy continued to serve his
parents in his home. While he was
massaging the feet of his parents and
getting them ready to sleep, he heard a
knock on the door. When he heard the
knock, he asked, Who is it? I am
serving my parents. I cannot come and
attend to you. From outside, the reply
came, I am Pandharipur Natha, the Lord
of Pandharipur. I am Vitthala who has
come to see you because you could not
come.
All He expects from His devotees is pure

love, for if love is pure, God Himself
will be drawn towards you. You need not
go searching for God God will come
searching for you.
In India there is a temple for Panduranga
Vitthala. Some distance away, there
lived a little boy, Pundarika, who served
his parents as the very embodiments of
God. Our scriptures say, Mother is God,
father is God. He served his parents
selflessly, with much devotion, in the
belief that he was serving the Lord
Himself in the form of his mother and
father. Pleased with his devotion, the
Lord was very happy.
The boy said, Then wait outside; let me

finish serving my parents and I will
come and see you. The Lord waited. He
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not pain you when you see their

sufferings? If you truly believe that all
are My children, should your hearts not
bleed when you see their pain?
threw a brick towards the Lord and said,

Stand on the brick and wait for me. Ill
come in a while, and the Lord waited.
To this day, if you go to the temple, the
statue of the Lord is still waiting for the
true devotee to come and see Him.
Hrud (heart) + daya (compassion) =

hrudaya; the seat of compassion is the
heart. The Lord truly resides in the heart
that is truly filled with compassion.
I have waited all My life and for many

lives for My true devotees. Nobody
needs to tell Me where a true devotee is;
I will find My way to him, for I reside in
no other place than the heart of such a
devotee. It is not for the purpose of
praising anyone in public that I say this,
but let Me tell you, many people have
invited Me to Malaysia earlier, but the
truth is that most of those invitations
were only a way for someone to show
supremacy over another. One person
thought, Only if I invite Sai Baba, will
He come to Malaysia. Another said,
No, only if I invite Him will He come,
for I am dearer to Him.
With this attitude, many people tried in
many ways to bring Me here, but there
was no way I could have come.
However, now, without any invitation, it
is I who said, I want to go to Malaysia. I
want to go to Sai Ananda. I want to bless
the Medical Centre.
When I came to Malaysia, I asked where

we were to stay. He (Brother Ayavoo)
said, Swami, our home is ready. Come
and stay there. Today, I took all of them
and showed them the room that he had
kept for Me. It had been his room, but he
changed it entirely and gave it to Me
when I came the last time. When we
were leaving, I told him, Use it now; it
is your room. Take it as a blessing and
use it, but he never used that room
again. He left it for Me as a permanent
place for Me to stay. I go to some
peoples homes and they dont even have
If there is true love and true service, the

Lord will manifest. There is no need to
call or invite Him. He will come of His
own accord.
Many devotees in Malaysia have been
rendering great service to Swami by
serving their fellow brothers and sisters.
You come to the podium and shout,
Dear sisters and brothers, dear sisters
and brothers, but do you mean any of
it? If you truly feel that all are your
brothers and sisters, should your hearts
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Krishna to look after me all the time.
a place to keep a chair for me. They feel

that it would take up too much space in
their houses yet, here is somebody who
leaves his entire room for My sake and
sleeps somewhere else.
She continued reasoning to herself, I

dont think I am a devotee if I put dust
on his head, and it doesnt cure the
headache, it will prove to the world that I
am not a devotee! So I will stay away.
Should I not go to home of someone like

this? Nobody needs to invite Me I will
come running to a person who is like
this.
She said to Krishna, Lord, how can a

wife put the dust from her feet on her
husbands head? Please spare me this
sin!
When the gopikas cried, O Krishna, fill

our hearts, which are growing dry, with
your love. Let there be a rain of love, let
rivers of love flow, let the seeds of love
be sown, and let them become trees of
love, Krishna ran all the way to them
because their devotion was so
powerful that it wouldnt let Him stay
away from them. The gopikas were
ready to do anything for the sake of the
Lord and that is why, even when they
were far away, they were closer to the
Lord than were His own wives.
Krishna with his head in his hands, went

to Rukmini and said, Would you give
Me the dust of your feet?
Rukmini said, Do you want me to go to
hell for committing such a sin? No, no. I
cannot do it.
Krishna went and said to Uddhava, Go
to Brindavan and tell the gopis that
Krishnas head is aching terribly, and the
only cure for it is the dust from the feet
of His devotees.
Krishna enacted a small drama, just to

show the devotion of the gopikas, of
which His own wives were growing
jealous. He said, I have a severe
headache, and no medicine will cure it.
Only when the dust from the feet of My
devotee is put on My head, will My
headache be cured. He asked his wife,
Sathyabhama, Would you give Me a
little dust from your feet so that I can put
it on My head? Only the dust of the feet
of a true devotee will cure this pain.
Uddhava went all the way to Brindavan.

Looking at Krishnas own chariot
coming, all the gopikas rushed out,
thinking that Krishna Himself had come
but they were very much sad to hear
that Krishna was in deep pain, and the
only cure was the dust of the feet of his
devotees. The gopikas were so simplehearted, they did not think whether or not
they were true devotees or whether there
was sin or merit in doing such a thing.
For them, the Krishnas pain was the
most unbearable thing. They rolled on
the streets of Brindavan until their bodies
were smeared with dust, and they dusted
it off, put it all into a cloth and gave it to
Uddhava to be taken back and given to
Lord Krishna.
Sathyabhama was worried. She said in

her heart of hearts, I dont know
whether I am a true devotee of Krishna. I
spend all my time demanding something
or the other from Him, as wives normally
do. I am not here to serve Him, I want
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relieve his pain and suffering, you are

truly relieving Me of My pain, and, if
you give joy to somebody by an act of
love, it is truly Me whom you are
making happy.
Uddhava was surprised, for they had not

even asked any questions or consider
whether there would be merit or sin. All
they wanted was that Krishna should be
happy and should not suffer, for
whatever reason. Uddhava realised the
true devotion of the gopikas and came
back with the dust of their feet.
My devotees make a tireless effort to

help people here in Malaysia and that is
the only reason why I have come all the
way, and brought all these extremely
busy people along with me to see you.
It is not for you to learn from them, it is
for them to learn from you.
In truth, I have no pain or difficulty, but

when a mother sees her children suffer,
she suffers. When a mother sees her
children in pain, she is in pain. When a
mother sees her children hungry, she
feels the pangs herself. Until she has
cured the ill, fed the hungry children, or
taken care of their problems, she is not at
rest.
I will take care that all the effort that has

been made to build this centre will be
fulfilled not only dialysis, but
childrens health screening and help for
the elderly everything will start oneby-one. I have already seen a home for
the aged developing across the way.
When I come next time, I am sure that,
too, will be completed. This whole area
will become very pure and sacred.
All are Mine. This is not just a statement

I feel it. Whether in Malaysia,
India, America or Australia all people
are my children. I am in each of them,
and if anybody suffers, I suffer. If
anybody rejoices, I experience the joy.
So, if you help anybody in order to
When Rama decided to build a bridge

across the ocean, He had no lawyers,
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squirrels,
you
would
definitely,
willingly, come forward and take up My
mission as your own lifes mission.
doctors, engineers or businessmen to

help him. Building a bridge on land is,
itself, a task. Building a bridge over the
ocean is almost impossible but who
believed in Ramas sankalpa? Purehearted monkeys. They said, If the Lord
has decided to build this bridge, it can
definitely happen.
A devotee cannot be silent when

the Lord is in pain. A devotee will do
things unasked, and that is the way
devotion is expressed not merely
through namasankirtana (chanting the
divine names) and nagarsankirtana
(processional chanting); not merely
through conferences and speeches about
spirituality. True spirituality is to serve
anyone whom you come across, who is
in need. Having seen people in need, in
suffering, if you simply turn a blind eye,
that is not devotion.
However, they did not sit and wait for

the Lord to perform a miracle; they
jumped in and said, Lord, tell us. What
do You want us to do to bring about
what You want?
Lord Rama replied, Throw rocks and
boulders into the ocean and I will ensure
that the bridge will be built. The
monkeys did not hesitate for a moment
or say, Oh! There are no designs, there
is no engineer here, there is no
supervisor. Will the bridge last?
A devotee would respond to the pain and

suffering of others. Love all, Serve all
should not remain merely a slogan that
you use in the alleys around the city. It
should become a part of your daily life in
whatever possible way.
They said, The Lord has said it, let us

do it. The monkeys had more faith than
men. As they kept throwing boulders, it
formed the bridge on which Rama
walked. The monkeys at least had the
strength to do it but, seeing the pains
that the monkeys were taking to help
Lord Rama, even a squirrel could not
keep silent. It immediately jumped into
the ocean, made its whole body wet,
rolled in the sand, and started filling the
gaps in between the rocks, so that the
feet of Rama and His army would not be
hurt when they walked on it.
Through a kind heart or prayer, through a

consoling word of compassion, and
through constructive deeds to help, must
devotion be expressed. In the hearts of
such devotees does the Lord truly reside.
It is the prayers, good deeds, and selfless
love of all of you that has brought Me
here. Where there are trees, there will be
clouds and there will be rain. Where
there are pure-hearted devotees, God
creates and manifests, and will, Himself,
be drawn to them.
Looking at the Lord's pain, the Lords

desire, the animals responded. Should
humans not do so, too? Those who can
see all this happen and yet stay in their
comfortable homes and do nothing about
it, are lower than animals. If you had the
heart of even those monkeys and
I am very happy to see the courageous

and selfless seva that is going on here. I
give My blessings that all of you, in
whatever possible way that you can, to
participate and strengthen Sai Ananda in
order to do more service.
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I mentioned to Sreenivas, He (Brother

Ayavoo) has taken on loans to build this
place, but he could not get money to buy
the equipment. Can we help? Sreenivas
immediately replied, Swami, by all
means; I should immediately have a
discussion with him and do whatever is
required to ensure that this is
fulfilled without delay.
she was suddenly brought to the front by

other devotees. She was too shy to talk to
You but when You were passing by on
the ladies side, the lady sitting next to
her called out to You. Swami, this lady
has cancer, and you graciously said,
Cancer? Cancer is cancelled.
I have people like this working for Me,

so I have the confidence to take on more
work. Where there is both Gods will and
effort by the devotees miracles happen.
What is more, this is just the
beginning of what is going to unfold in
the future, bringing glory to My mission.
My brothers wife, too, was diagnosed

with cancer. A devotee unexpectedly
called my brother and said, Will you
come to Puttaparthi? He had no faith in
Swami and replied, But I have no
ticket. The devotee was from Mumbai
and was going to Puttaparthi. He said, It
doesnt matter, you come. They all
went. The moment my brother reached
the interview room, on the following
morning, he wanted to tell You that his
wife had cancer, but he dared not open
his mouth; he could not gather the
courage to tell You. You just
materialised vibhuthi; he got his answer
in silence. When he got back to Mumbai,
Thank you, Swami. She is still alive and

kicking after 20 years.
Devotee: Swami, this is not a question.

Its just an expression of my love for
what really happened.
My sister was diagnosed with cancer and
came to Puttaparthi. She was sitting in
the back rows of the darshan lines, when

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Then You said, I am their mother and

father. I will take care of everything.
and his wife was tested, the doctor said,

Your wife has no cancer. She survived
for two years after that, and then Swami
brought her back to Him.
Sure enough, when my daughter was

25, I came to You during Guru
Poornima. I offered You a rose, and I
said to You, Dear Swami, my daughter
is not yet married, and You said, No
problem.
The third thing is that, in the year 2000,

my wife suddenly met with an accident
and was hospitalised. She was in a coma
for 18 days and Indulal Shah brought a
letter to you that the EHV coordinators
wife has met with an accident and asking
for Your blessing. For some reason,
Swami, she did not recover and she
merged with You. My children were
very annoyed at me. They asked me,
You always keep saying, Swami,
Swami Swami! What did Swami do for
our mother? Why did He take her away?
We are only 14, 15 and 20 years old.
How can we take care of everything?
After one month, my daughter was

engaged and after another month, she
was married. That was Your way of
taking care of the problems.
Further down the line, my son was also
not very happy. So I thought, Swami,
now that I have time to spend my life in
whatever seva comes my way, my sons
life also needs to be settled.
You very kindly, took on my problem
and he, too, was married. My life is all
settled, Swami, I am here only for You,
for Your sake. Whatever You say, I am
ready to do, Swami. Thank you, Swami.
We all came to Brindavan, Swami. In the

silence, whilst I was praying, You came
to my side, and said, I will see you
tomorrow, but tomorrow happened in
such a way, that You had to leave for
Puttaparthi.
Swami: I am very happy. You talked

about everything, but not about your
business, which was hardly functioning
and the many problems you had. I had to
pull you out. Now your son is going
through the same madness.
That particular evening, when I was

sitting for darshan, I heard You talking
to me, and You said, Who gave you
your wife?
You Swami, You did.
Be satisfied with what you have it is

more than enough. Dont compare your
life with others and make yourself
miserable with imaginary issues. Render
service. Much work needs to be done in
education. Pick it up and do it!
So what if I take back what I gave you?

Was it yours? Your life with her was
only for that period of time I gave you
that much. Its over, so theres no
problem.
I said, Swami, its not me its the
children who are more worried.
That will make Me very happy.
After Swamis discourse, the youth presented a drama performance

for Swami, entitled 'The Power of Namasmarana'.

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Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Babas Divine Visit

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Day 1: 30th September, 2015 at Sai Ananda

Excerpts from talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Excerpts from talk by Sri C. Sreenivas

Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba

Question and Answer Session with Bhagawan Baba

Excerpts from talk by Sri Narasimha Murthy

Excerpts from talk by Sri V. Kumar

Excerpts from talk by Sri B. N. Narasimha Murthy

Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba

Day 2: 1st October, 2015 (Evening) at Sai Ananda

Excerpts from talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Excerpts from Sri C. Sreenivas

Excerpts from talk by Sri B. N. Narasimha Murthy

Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba

Day 1 30th September, 2015

Talk by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Talk by Sri C. Sreenivas

Talk by Sri Narasimha Murthy

Day 1 30th September, 2015

Leaving ones home and family and

Once upon a time, when Sri

This is the word of Sai the word of

He would patiently answer these

In order to attain God, many people in

However, one day someone came who

If a person cannot see God in his fellow

Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was a

Narasimha Murthy just now said, If you

Where is God? Rakhal asked.

God takes upon Himself a physical form

Ramakrishna said, He is outside in the

Ultimately, He gives up the physical

This boy said, You told me you would

God has already done His part of the

Ramakrishna replied, The way you are

If you want to catch the Krishna who

It is when you are capable of such

You must remember that dearness to

If you want to reach Me, you have to

If you are dear to God, you need not try

God descending to be amongst you, was

Narada once developed tremendous

God has already done His part of the

There is no need for any certification.

My devotees should yearn to be dear to

Then Lord Narayana said, There is a

At midday, again he thought about Lord

returned, he proudly said, Lord, I have

So Narada counted: one, two, three. He

Narayana said, Thats very good, but

He went and argued with the Lord, but

Giving up everything, hiding in a forest,

When he had finished his circuit and

that is the way you will come to

easily, wherever you are.

Many people have worked very hard to

That is the only way to lead your lives.

I am delighted to know that service in

One hand remembering the Lord, the

The joy of service will make you forget

With that breadth of vision, you will