In the 1960's, the United States spent millions of dollars exploring two different realms: outer space, and the deep oceans. But today, only one of those programs is still around. Why do space colonies seem more likely than underwater cities? And what does it take to build a settlement on the sea floor?Guests:Ben Hellwarth, journalist and author of SEALAB: America's Forgotten Quest to Live and Work on the Ocean FloorJim Fourqurean, professor of Marine Science at Florida International University and the director of the Center for Coastal Oceans ResearchRoger Garcia, operations director at Aquarius Reef BaseKatherine Sammler, assistant professor at California State University Maritime in the department of Global Studies & Maritime AffairsFurther Reading/Watching:The Silent WorldJFK's Moon Shot speechJFK 1961 remarks on the oceanJFK Address at the Anniversary Convocation of the National Academy of Sciences, 22 October 1963SEALAB: America's Forgotten Quest to Live and Work on the Ocean FloorTo Tell The Truth featuring Bob BarthI have lived underwaterMedina Aquarius ProgramFrom the Ocean’s Abyss to the Vacuum of Space: Privatization in the Vertical Commons National Governance Of Ocean VolumesSubsuming the Submerged: Producing Seabeds as Political Territories. Knowing the Abyss: Seeking Geographies of Ocean Space.The Deep Pacific: Island Governance and Seabed Mineral Development. United Nations Convention on the Law of the SeaCredits:Produced by me, Rose Eveleth. The intro music: Asura Outtro music: Hussalonia. Voices of the future this episode: Stephen Granade and Andrea Klunder. Episode art: Matt Lubchansky. Get in touch at info@flashforwardpod.com.Support the show. Rate & review on Apple Podcasts.Twitter // Facebook // InstagramLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices