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You know you re from the Tri-Cities Facebook group talking about legalizing marijuana for adults.
Jared Allaway You take care of yourself, work hard, go to school, learn a lot, get a good job near Seattle, learn a bunch more stuff, earn post grad accreditation in your field, get involved in marijuana legalization, come back to your home town, stand on the street corner with a giant sign that says legalize marijuana and the people trapped in the Tri-Cities and in a self perpetuating baddecision-cycle call me crazy, and tell me it is a bad idea. Tell that to all of the World leaders and PhDs who seem to agree with me that legalization will help society, and should be implemented as soon as possible. sensiblewashington.org Like Unfollow Post December 12, 2011 at 9:27am
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Erik Peterson The tri will never be hip to a new way of thinking, not as long as our parents and grandparents still run this place. December 12, 2011 at 10:30am Unlike 2
Sherry Franklin I support you! December 12, 2011 at 5:27pm via mobile Unlike 2
Linda Reining-Pitchford been saying for many years that they should legalize it---sell it like they sell booze and cigarettes---21 to buy it; tax it, get the revenue instead of letting the "dealers" get the big bucks from it!
December 12, 2011 at 9:46pm Like 4
Jennifer Baker Just because I don't support legalization of marijuana doesn't mean I'm "trapped" here (I've left, and preferred to come back) nor that I'm in a "self-perpetuating bad decision cycle" of any nature. December 12, 2011 at 10:34pm Unlike 3
David Switzer It takes a long time to overcome a fear Campaign. The week I was born there was an article demonizing it in Life. December 12, 2011 at 11:09pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway I was probably in a bad mood when I wrote this, I know not everyone who lives in the Tri-Cities is "trapped" in the Tri-Citeis. It is actually a pretty cool place to live. A lot of people need to stop trying to legislate morality and use tax dollars to cover the cost of vital public services, not going after adults who use cannabis. December 14, 2011 at 12:22am Like 6
Jared Allaway @David, true, the propaganda is pervasive December 15, 2011 at 11:54am Like 1
Jackie Maronda Golladay our jails are filled with people who smoke pot. stupid. December 15, 2011 at 1:42pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway It is very stupid, when you consider how much it hurts small businesses to take money away from them (in the form of taxes) and spend it on a disastrous policy that has been proven to make criminals who target children rich. December 15, 2011 at 2:38pm Like
Jared Allaway Alcohol prohibition made Al Capone rich at Taxpayer expense, marijuana prohibition makes Pablo Escobar rich at Taxpayer expense, and the guys on the black market don't ask you to show I.D. December 15, 2011 at 2:40pm Like 1
Leeann Wheaton Mueller I used to think that maybe legalization made sense--until I realized that the 12- to 14-year-olds coming to my school with pot were ALL getting it from adult relatives who had obtained legal "medical" marijuana. Now I believe that legalizing it and making it more easily available also places more pot in the hands of children. December 15, 2011 at 6:54pm Like 1
Jared Allaway So we should continue spending money on prohibition which history proves to be disastrous? December 15, 2011 at 7:34pm Like 1
Jared Allaway That is retarded. December 15, 2011 at 9:56pm Like 1
Jared Allaway I think the comment that compared legalizing adult use of marijuana to legalizing child rape was deleted. That is good.
December 16, 2011 at 10:29am Like 2
Paul McCrea Good point Leeann. And Jared has some too. There are always pros and cons to any subject. December 16, 2011 at 12:22pm via mobile Like 1
Jared Allaway No matter how illegal you make it, people are still going to use it. The harsher the penalty the bigger the profit, the more enticing it is for peple who are willing to take a little risk. Those people who are willing to take a little risk are not like the 7-11 clerks who sell tobacco and beer, they don't check ID. December 16, 2011 at 2:47pm Like
Paul McCrea Same with prescription drugs but we shouldn't make them wide open to everyone. I'm in the middle on this one and I can see both sides. December 16, 2011 at 3:19pm Like
Jason Brunson Jared, using that rationale (your last post), I assume you must feel the same about meth, crack, heroin? December 16, 2011 at 3:25pm Like
Jared Allaway No, because marijuana is safer. I agree with Law Enforcement Against Prohibition in that people with drug problems should go to treatment. Jail is not drug rehab. You can see on this chart, alcohol is the worst, and cannabis is down below tobacco. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49735000/gif/_49735645_drugs_comparisons_ 464gr.gif
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Jared Allaway http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
Alcohol 'harms more than heroin' www.bbc.co.uk Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack based on the overall dangers to the...See More December 16, 2011 at 3:29pm Like
Jason Brunson This is the part of your post I was referring to: "No matter how illegal you make it, people are still going to use it. The harsher the penalty the bigger the profit, the more enticing it is for people who are willing to take a little risk." So, you don't think that would also apply to the other drugs? December 16, 2011 at 3:36pm Like
Susie Gonzalez-Bultena why do we fight about it? the goverment is gonna do what they want anyways and taxes us ALL EITHER WAY December 16, 2011 at 11:58pm Like
Jared Allaway Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is a great group that lends credibility to the legalization movement. I suggest looking into some of the resources offered on their website if you are trying to convince people to let go of the old reefer madness mindset. http://www.leap.cc/
LEAP | Law Enforcement Against Prohibition www.leap.cc Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is an international organization of criminal justice professionals who bear personal witness to the wasteful futility and harms of our current drug policies. Our experience on the front lines of the war on drugs has led us to call for a repeal of prohibition and... December 17, 2011 at 9:07am Like 1
Jason Brunson LEAP is a fringe organization and lacks credibility. I promise you that the great majority of law enforcement do not support LEAP or their views. Trust me on that. December 17, 2011 at 10:34am Like 2
Melisa Conn-Devine I Live in Seattle, am educated, and I don't support it. December 17, 2011 at 11:34am via mobile Like 1
Melisa Conn-Devine Leap.... Would like to know how they get the right to call themselves "law enforcement against prohibition" My husband is a SPD Sgt in Narcotics, and I know they dont agree with this. interesting.
Scott Couch I live in Seattle, am educated, and I completely support it. December 20, 2011 at 2:31pm Unlike 2
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet I would like to draw attention to somthing posted on KNDU http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=146659088775859&id=30110277 1411&cmntid=146675532107548 December 20, 2011 at 2:41pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway Thank you James Wheeler Walters-Goulet December 20, 2011 at 2:44pm Like
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet In the comments somebody says that Legalization of Marijuana will stop Medical Marijuana related theft, I have to disagree. As I stated in my comment, people rob liquor stores, and tobacco stores, and gun stores and some on. If people don't want to obtain something legally they will steal it. Pure and simple. I support many aspects of the Legalization of Marijuana movement, but I honestly think there are a lot of holes that need to be looked at. By and large the movement is well organized and does a great job. But as with the Occupy movement, you can find the burn out stoners that just want to get high and be a drain on society. You know who I am taling about Jared Allaway, we have known them for many years. December 20, 2011 at 2:46pm Like 2
Melisa Conn-Devine You know if you are an adult and want to waste your life away being stoned, well then go for it. But as a mother, I dont want my children to think this is ok. It is the starter drug to EVERYTHING! I have watched 2 of my friends bury their
children do to drug use, this last year, both of these teenagers started with pot, then drank, then heroine now dead. Heart Breaking to say the least. Anything to keep these Terrible drugs away from kids I am all for. Yes I know the pot isnt heroine, yes I know if they want it they will find it, But If Pot is legal, it does send a message to kids that it must not be all that bad. And if you have so much time to spend standing on a street corner, why not devote your time to something that would really make a difference. How about become a tutor for kids, raise money for the poor, or donate you time to the elderly. December 20, 2011 at 2:52pm Like 1
Melisa Conn-Devine http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011383450_medpot19.html December 20, 2011 at 2:56pm Like
Jared Allaway Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, doesn't work for marijuana. December 20, 2011 at 3:02pm Like
Melisa Conn-Devine Wow... good comeback. December 20, 2011 at 3:02pm Like 1
Scott Couch Melisa, although your point is well intentioned, its not really the point at all. People have been using alcahol and pot for a millenium. Keeping it away from kids will always be an issue, but it doesn't mean that grown adults should be kept from recreational use. Be a good parent first. December 20, 2011 at 3:02pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway James Wheeler Walters-Goulet one thing to point out is thieves know their victims will not call the cops if the items being stolen are from or intended for the black market. If people could call the cops when strangers entered their garden I think it would help. December 20, 2011 at 3:05pm Like
Melisa Conn-Devine Scott Couch, What I don't under stand, WHY are people fighting to be able to use it? Do they not have anything else going on in their life? The people I know who use pot, Are the same dead beats they were in high school. Come on we all know them. Do you really want to be one of those people? With everything that goes on in this world today..... REALLY??? This is what you want to fight for? How about a better education for our kids? Better retirement, Stricter laws for child molesters. But Hey, you want your Pot so fight away, In the mean time I will concentrate on things that are important. December 20, 2011 at 3:21pm Like 2
Joellyn Richards-Martel i am sorry you are so uninformed about the values of pot if you really want legs to stand on get informed please the values far outway the values of legal perscriptions and linking weed to herion overdose is just way off the mark i know of a small town in washington where there have been 18 teenage deaths this year of herion overdose it's heartbreaking but again not caused from smoking weed December 20, 2011 at 3:30pm Unlike 2
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet That is the misconception I had melisa, I have known jared allaway for years and he and most of the people fighting for this are not the dead beats everyone thinks. But there are always those that just want to be permabaked without getting in trouble. I know from talking to local police officers that some do support the end of marijuana prohibition, they would rather the man power used on dudes smoking a doobie shifted elsewhere. December 20, 2011 at 3:32pm via mobile Unlike 3
Jared Allaway I'm not fighting to use it. I pay taxes. Last year my employer didn't take enough out of each paycheck so at the end of the year, I had to send around $80 off to Washington D.C. I don't want my tax dollars supporting a policy that has been proven to be not only wasteful, but it actually empowers black market dealers who do not check ID. December 20, 2011 at 3:39pm Like 1
Jason Brunson James, I don't know any cops who are spending their time or resources searching for someone smoking a doobie. Misdemeanor marijuana possession is one of the lowest priorities to law enforcement. Jared, you still haven't answered the question I posed earlier. You spout off things like "black markets" and dope thefts and "checking ID" and such. Wouldn't those same arguments apply to all the hard drugs that you are against legalizing? Why the double standard? You don't present a very convincing argument. December 20, 2011 at 4:14pm Like 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel it's very sad that weed has been compared to hard drugs i would say that's about the same as comparing asprin to morphine of course you can die from asprin not weed December 20, 2011 at 4:22pm Unlike 1
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet Cop drives through a park, sees a guy smoking a joint. Normally he would let it go, but there are kids in the park. Now he has to spend 25 minutes writing the guy a ticket, searching him, running his name making him leave and so on. Then at some point he has about an hour of paper work to do on it...don't believe me I will let you talk to the cop who told me this. December 20, 2011 at 4:34pm via mobile Like 1
Jason Brunson I didn't compare weed to hard drugs. I was making a point that the silly, half-baked (pun intended) arguments that Jared is making could apply to hard drugs just as easily.
Jason Brunson Haha....Pretty poor example, James. It takes no more time to write a misdemeanor marijuana ticket than it does to write a speeding ticket. Maybe we should get tid of all traffic laws next? P.S...I don't need to talk to your officer friend....I might just know a thing or two about law enforcement;) December 20, 2011 at 4:48pm Like 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel alright i will just say this i was put on pain pills and took them as i was told i died 4 times that year i had been clean for 13yrs i decided my children needed a mom not a dead one or a zombie i made a choice to come off of the pain meds with my doc's help and have used medical marajuana since my older children choose for themselves all over 18 and my 4yr old daughter knows it as medicine and the baby i am carrying will also i don't smoke now because of my baby but i also wait until my little girl goes to bed so i'm not a stoned mommy i am not saying it for everyone but for some of us it is the only real option December 20, 2011 at 5:53pm Unlike 1
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet I was sharing an opinion expressed, granted he was arresting me. So not a poor example. The cop had to stop looking for a shooting suspect to arrest me. It was not a ticket it was a frakking arrest for smoking a joint. This was 15 years ago. I still see that officer everyday because I deliver his news paper. He still feels the same way. He honestly feels to much time is spent on finding supposed grow operations that either are just reported by rival dealers or misidentification of another plant. How long has it been since you stomped around the TC? The cops spend an awful lot of time arresting small time pot dealers and such. By the way...I see both sides of this issue. And my argument stays the same, the people that want to break the law in order to obtain their substances of abuse will continue to do so. December 20, 2011 at 6:30pm Unlike 2
Melisa Conn-Devine Nothing here has convince me. All the reasons are just ridiculous. True pot is not heroine. but in many cases it leads to it. If you need it for medical reasons, smoke away, but dont make it legal, send a bad bad message. December 20, 2011 at 6:38pm Like 1
Jason Brunson Huh.....I know a whole lot of law- doggers in the TC, and during that time frame it is safe to say that I knew the great majority of them. I also know that absolutely none of them would give up a search for a shooting suspect to jam someone up for a piddly weed violation. There's either more to that story or your cop buddy was humoring you after the fact. In any case, this discussion is boring me. Gotta run now cause there is a Cheech and Chong marathon I need to get back to. December 20, 2011 at 7:22pm via mobile Like 1
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet Because you know the thoughts of every police officer. And yeah, kpd has changed quite a bit, then, but still I don't bs. December 20, 2011 at 7:34pm via mobile Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez i think i see a stubborn, ignorant, belligerent person arguing about something they know next to nothing about, imo. December 20, 2011 at 8:53pm Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez <--- NORML supporter December 20, 2011 at 8:55pm Like
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez National Organization for the Reformation of Marijuana Legalization*
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Chad Buchanan The RPD wouldn't know finest if it ran them down and beat them with a "nightstick".Detectives not included December 20, 2011 at 9:00pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I got it and I hear you. I just get carried away when it comes to the RPD ;-) December 20, 2011 at 9:15pm Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez is the rpd still bad? i haven't been there since '09 December 20, 2011 at 9:15pm Like
Chad Buchanan No way! In these 3 years the RPD dancers have gotten way better!!! December 20, 2011 at 9:17pm Unlike 2
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez rofl! December 20, 2011 at 9:17pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan at least they are "good" at something December 20, 2011 at 9:22pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan Well they don't have very much time for practice after having sex with dispatchers (true stories), being caught with their pants down in Pasco when on a call in Richland (true story), or cheating on their wives (true stories) and many more thing that they do instead of their "job". December 20, 2011 at 9:27pm Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez lol oh wow December 20, 2011 at 9:27pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan Sam Grunt and Jeff Prickford are two of the winners on the force. Prickford waited 4 hours in a parking lot for me to drive so he could give me a ticket for a license plate cover ($250), it was overturned. He had the hots for me or something, he use to pull me over for nothing all the time. Nothing worse than a cop scorned, sorry Jeff, I don't swing that way (not that there is anything wrong with that). December 20, 2011 at 9:33pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan Yep, I'm not lying about any of it. I was married to a dispatcher for years. December 20, 2011 at 9:37pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I don't December 20, 2011 at 9:37pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I respect the Pasco police, they have done a great job with much worse crime. December 20, 2011 at 9:38pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan Never been arrested December 20, 2011 at 9:38pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I will, I don't break the law anymore. I did drugs for awhile but for the most part they were other peoples drugs. Never drove under the influence of anything and still got harassed by the RPD. December 20, 2011 at 9:41pm Like
Chad Buchanan just want people to be aware how they are in Richland. I'm very proud of the city I was born and lived my whole life in with the exception of "them". The detective was real nice when they told me about Sam Grunts dad (J'Ed Grunt) who "allegedly" had lots and lots of kid porn. Might have saved my ex's daughter from getting raped by Sam Grunt's dad, she lived with him J'Ed Grunt and his way to forgiving wife at the time. December 20, 2011 at 9:48pm Like
Chad Buchanan I was thinking about running for city council but my anti cops stance would not go over too well. My uncle was the mayor for awhile and was on the Richland City Council for a long time. December 20, 2011 at 9:54pm Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I'm sure it does minus the good city benifets
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Chad Buchanan I might, I love Richland December 20, 2011 at 9:56pm Like
Chad Buchanan true. December 20, 2011 at 9:57pm Like
Chad Buchanan You can get two of these in one month, and that is completely unfair. I don't mind the charge but if you are not late for the next year you should be credited it back December 20, 2011 at 10:05pm Like
Chad Buchanan No, we need more people on one December 20, 2011 at 10:10pm Like
Chad Buchanan $5 December 20, 2011 at 10:12pm Like
Chad Buchanan this could get expensive December 20, 2011 at 10:12pm Like
Chad Buchanan I can't, I did catch my mistake December 20, 2011 at 10:14pm Like
Chad Buchanan autospell has made me lazy, at least I'm honest December 20, 2011 at 10:14pm Like
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez who are you talking to chad? December 20, 2011 at 10:16pm Like
Jared Allaway Marijuana is going to be legal soon. Might as well get on the right side of history. We're going to look back one day and ask ourselves "how did we let marijuana prohibition go on for so long?" http://sensiblewashington.org/
Sensible Washington Campaign for initiative I-1149. sensiblewashington.org Few laws in our country are as corrupt and inherently heinous as the prohibiti...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:37am Like
Scott Couch Ask the alcahol industry December 21, 2011 at 8:38am Unlike 1
Jared Allaway Just drive around South Eastern Washington. As you travel in a Southeastern direction across the state, as you come over Manastash and down in to Yakima along the side of the highway you see "Welcome to wine country" and it is shoved down your throat the entire way from there. If you stand on a street corner in Granger near the highway long enough, some hops will fall off of a semi truck and roll over toward the sidewalk. Hops for Beer. You know, that liquid that turned Barney from the TV show The Simpsons from a rocket scientist into a fat blob attached to the table at the local bar? Wine and Beer can turn a person into a complete loser. So the idea that you're going to reduce the number of losers in your community by making marijuana illegal and alcohol legal is preposterous. You keep driving along highway 82 and you can see the much celebrated Hogue Cellars, go over a couple hills and where 82 meets 182 you can see plenty of grape vines and fruit trees, perhaps they're hoping the pollen from the fruit trees will affect the flavor of the wine? Or maybe they are just growing apples for hard cider? If you go from 82 to 182 you can drive a little way and take the Queensgate exit. As you pull off the highway and come to your first intersection, you can see Bookwalter, Barnard Griffin, and Tagaris. Sounds like some fancy names for booze for smart people. Why can't we have a fancy last name attached to the cultivation of recreational cannabis for adults? December 21, 2011 at 8:56am Like 3
Chad Buchanan The "Palm Springs of Washington" December 21, 2011 at 5:01pm Unlike 2
Joellyn Richards-Martel just wish i still lived there as you can imagin i am a big activist of mmj just gotta get it to s.d December 21, 2011 at 6:15pm Unlike 1
Jared Allaway What a coincidence, we have a great friend in South Dakota who is trying to get things going. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sensible-South-Dakota/184005791659784?ref=ts
Sensible South Dakota Fellow Cannabis Activist, The time has come to gather every resource across the...See More Page: 70 like this December 21, 2011 at 6:16pm Like
Jared Allaway https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1964085864293&set=o.184005791659784 &type=3&theater December 21, 2011 at 6:20pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared, you actually SENT $80 to DC? Of your own volition? Wow, I think we end the argument there. If you're pro-legalization, follow the guy who trusts the IRS and Washington DC to be good stewards of your money. If your anti-legalization, feel confident that your sober thoughts and mental state are definitely pointed in the right direction. December 21, 2011 at 6:36pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway right, I'll just avoid paying them and have them come looking for me. I'm just saying, I pay taxes, I don't want my money going to cops who arrest adults for marijuana. I don't want my money going to judges and prosecuting attorneys who deal with marijuana.
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared, you may think your arguments make sense, but they really don't hold water. Have you considered the connection between marijuana use and mental disease? Probably not. But then you're the guy who's comeback to an opposing opinion is, "That's retarded". Why don't you get out of the sandbox, or find someone else who already is to represent your side of the argument. Then again, don't worry about it. Just keep calling people retards. It only strengthens your argument. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=marijuana+and+mental+disease&hl=en&as_sdt=0 &as_vis=1&oi=scholart http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html December 21, 2011 at 6:57pm via mobile Like 1
Chad Buchanan "Have you considered the connection between marijuana use and mental disease?" I haven't but it has been studied , no connection has been found. But there is a connection with mental disease and alcohol which is legal in all 50 states with the exception a few scatted counties. December 21, 2011 at 7:13pm Unlike 2
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet There have been many studies on marijuana and mental disease, but with many different results. You can find studies that will show water is deadly...cause it is. December 21, 2011 at 7:38pm via mobile Unlike 2
Jared Allaway There are a lot of substances that are dangerous, should we arrest adults who use them? No. We should be growing industrial hemp in the United States. We made industrial hemp and therapeutic cannabis illegal, we only got rid of one. Prohibition made Al Capone rich back in the day and it makes Pablo Escobar rich today. Stop wasting money on prohibition, it didn't/doesn't work. December 21, 2011 at 7:43pm Like 1
Jared Allaway I said "that's retarded" to someone who compared legalizing marijuana to legalizing child rape. December 21, 2011 at 7:45pm Like
Paul McCrea I'm still on the fence on this one but there has been nothing shown here to make me think it's a good idea. No good arguments at all. You'd have to do much better to get me to vote for it. Just my two cents. December 21, 2011 at 7:49pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway If you think marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, you don't know the truth, you have some studying to do. If you think Alcohol prohibition was a good thing, you don't know the truth, you have some studying to do. Check out the book Marijuana is Safer so why are we Driving People to Drink by Steve Fox, Paul Armentano, Mason Tvert, with foreword by retired Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper. December 21, 2011 at 7:51pm Like 1
Jared Allaway This is a video about a Seattle cop who saw the people selling alcohol on the black market and thought "I could make a lot of money doing that". He did, he got caught, he was punished, and fired. He was then able to focus all of his attention on selling alcohol on the black market. http://www.iptv.org/video/detail.cfm/22632/proh_20111002_102_whispering_wires_go od_bootlegger
Ken Burns | PROHIBITION | Whispering Wires The Good Bootlegger | PBS www.iptv.org
Roy Olmstead, a Seattle police officer turned to bootlegging and made a fortune December 21, 2011 at 7:54pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey I say what proponents of legalization need to do is continue to professionally present your argument. Honestly, I don't drink alcohol and I wouldn't use marijuana. But in order to win your argument you're going to have to do more than stand in street corners in baggy jeans and nylon caps looking like gangstas. Those are the only folks I've seen. Personally, I don't think it'll ever be legalized. You can divide the people's views into four segments. There's enough of society that fears it. Another segment that likes the taboo of it. And yet another that has enough information to satisfy the argument that it's dangerous. The fourth segment of society is already doing it, so why go through all the time and trouble to legalize it? What a waste. You're not going to get nailed for pot. You're going to get nailed for pot and theft. Pot and speeding. Pot and breaking parole. Pot and intent to distribute. Pot and failing to register as a sex offender. Pot and underage drinking. Pot and fleeing a police officer. Pot and assisting in the delinquence of a minor. Pot and statutory rape. Pot and check kiting. Pot and embezzlement. You get the idea. If you're a "responsible" pot user, just play your cards right. I know tons of people who smoke it and don't fear the law. I worked in the prison system. Never once saw a case of an incarcerated person there for "possession of recreational pot" or "pot use." December 21, 2011 at 7:56pm via mobile Like 1
Jared Allaway There is no way to support the statement "marijuana is dangerous" It is one of the only substances on earth that doesn't have an LD50. December 21, 2011 at 7:57pm Like 1
Jared Allaway The human body makes its own marijuana, when you eat marijuana you are merely supplementing an existing system. It is actually beneficial for humans to eat marijuana flowers and seeds. Marijuana seeds are the best source of Omega 3 and 6 essential fatty acids on earth (better than flax seeds). December 21, 2011 at 7:59pm Like 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared. If you're talking about marijuana then site marijuana stats. Why site alcohol stats? There are good cops and bad cops. People sell all sorts of weird things on the black market. December 21, 2011 at 7:59pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea My first reaction is that it's bad, probably because that's how I was raised. Not saying that's right, that's just the way it happened. But I'm still open to any good argument that could change my mind. I won't allow myself to be one of those stubborn people that resists change if it's for the better just because that isn't the way I grew up. And I never said anything about the alcohol/marijuana comparison, to me that's a dumb argument to make. That's like a politician throwing out dirty laundry on an opponent instead of standing on his or her own merits. Too many people use that to distract from the negatives of the subject at hand. Leave all of the other crap out of it and tell me the merits of marijuana. I don't care if alcohol did this or that, what good does pot do? Make sense? No comparison. December 21, 2011 at 8:00pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey That would be, cite not site December 21, 2011 at 8:01pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway It was inevitable that Cannabis would eventually meet its perfect partner, us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpV6licCOMw&feature=related
How Cannabis Works www.youtube.com Cannabis and Cannabinoid Receptors. How Marijuana works on your brain. Upload taken from - BBC Horizon, Cannabis. The evil weed? December 21, 2011 at 8:04pm Like
Jared Allaway They are both prohibition. Marijuana is actually safer. The first prohibition didn't work, it made criminals who don't check ID rich. The second prohibition isn't working, it is making criminals who don't check ID rich. December 21, 2011 at 8:05pm Like
Jared Allaway We got rid of alcohol prohibition because the black market was the source of a lot of violence where innocent people were being caught in the crossfire. In a black market turf war, two competing black market dealers don't call their lawyer, and work out a contract, they pull out a gun. When you have people pulling out guns all the time like that, you are going to have stray bullets picking off people who had nothing to do with the transaction. December 21, 2011 at 8:07pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Hey Jared, I was the person who turned your argument on its head to make a point that you can rationalize legalizing anything by saying it does no harm, or it's in fact beneficial. You may not like it, but there a proponents of legalizing child-adult sexual relations....I never said child rape. But they use some of your own tactics to justify child-adult sex. "it's natural" "it benefits the human body" "it's less harmful than....." point being, you've got a paper tiger here. ANYBODY nowadays can find a study about ANYTHING and cherry pick stats to fit their argument. You're wasting your time. And if you can't see a tongue and cheek argument for what it is, then you might want to take a refresher course in debate skills. December 21, 2011 at 8:08pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway I don't support legalizing sex between kids and adults. I support legalizing marijuana for adults. I'm pretty offended that you would make such a comparison. December 21, 2011 at 8:10pm Like 1
Jared Allaway An adult should be allowed to put whatever he wants into his own body. He should not be allowed to put whatever he wants into a child's body. December 21, 2011 at 8:12pm Like 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Again, tongue and cheek Jared. It's not personal. It's making a point. If you've got yourself an advanced degree then you should know, the minute you're offended, you've conceded the point. December 21, 2011 at 8:12pm via mobile Like 1
Jared Allaway I don't see any connection between what you're saying and what I'm saying. I don't think adults should be allowed to fuck with kids. I think adults should be
allowed to do what they want with their own body. Can't you see there is a huge wall between your point and mine? December 21, 2011 at 8:13pm Like
Paul McCrea Her point is that of course you can find some people to do a study and say pot is good. So what? You can find just as many that say it's bad. You continue to do the alcohol comparison instead of letting pot stand on it's own merits. Why is that? Does it have enough merits to be considered good? Or do you NEED to use the negative of some other substance to make your argument "solid"? December 21, 2011 at 8:16pm Like 1
Paul McCrea "I think adults should be allowed to do what they want with their own body." So ALL drugs should be legalized now? Heroine, crack, meth, all of it? Your argument doesn't work for JUST pot. December 21, 2011 at 8:21pm Like 1
Jared Allaway What are the bad things that happen to adults who consume marijuana? December 21, 2011 at 8:23pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared, no one said you agreed with child-adult sex. Have you been using too much of the substance you promote legalizing? Sheesh. Look deeper. See the failing in your own argument, improve it, come back with something more substantive. December 21, 2011 at 8:23pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway If your argument is "we need to keep people healthy by arresting them for using marijuana"
Why stop there? Why don't we keep people healthy by arresting them for junk food? December 21, 2011 at 8:24pm Like
Paul McCrea What are the good points of marijuana? What are the bad points? Does the good outweigh the bad? It's simple. December 21, 2011 at 8:25pm Like 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey No. You fail on every front. Again. Sandbox. Not the venue I'm looking to compete in. December 21, 2011 at 8:25pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea Sorry guys, but the personal attacks don't do us any good. Please refrain. December 21, 2011 at 8:25pm Like
Jared Allaway I can tell you what is bad about spending money arresting adults who consume marijuana. It doesn't work. We're not seeing a reduction in the number of people who use marijuana. December 21, 2011 at 8:26pm Like
Jared Allaway I'm talking about an adult who puts marijuana into his own body. You're talking about an adult who puts his dick in a childs body. There is a fucking big difference. The fact that you don't see that astonishes me. December 21, 2011 at 8:27pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Show me a case, please, where an adult was arrested for possession of marijuana alone. No priors. No other charges. December 21, 2011 at 8:27pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway If you think you're encouraging people to make healthy choices by arresting adults for marijuana you're wrong, it doesn't work. People will always use marijuana. So you might as well sell it out of a store where you can check ID. December 21, 2011 at 8:28pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey No Jared, the fact that you can't see a tongue in cheek argument for what it is, with your "advanced degrees" astonishes me. Wow. Stop hyper focusing on an arbitrary point. Stay on point. December 21, 2011 at 8:29pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea Your argument doesn't hold water. Substitute meth in place of marijuana and say that again. Then try heroine. Come up with a worthy argument. December 21, 2011 at 8:29pm Like 1
Jared Allaway There were 16,473 arrests for marijuana offenses in Washington in 2007, representing an arrest rate of 255 per 100,000, which ranks Washington at number 26 in the nation. There were an estimated 630,000 past year marijuana users in Washington during 2007. Reconciling this estimate with the number of arrests for marijuana offenses provides an arrest rate of 2,615 per 100,000 users, which ranks Washington at number 34 in the nation.
In terms of overall severity of maximum sentences for marijuana possession, Washington ranks number 8 in the nation (based on penalties for a first offense). When it comes to penalties for just under 1 ounce of marijuana, Washington is ranked at number 8 (because of similarities between states there are only 12 rankings in this category). Here are the penalties for possession of various amounts of marijuana in Washington: Amount Max. Sentence Max. Fine 1 Ounce* 90 days $500 2 Ounces 5 years $10,000 3 Ounces 5 years $10,000 4 Ounces 5 years $10,000 (*To simplify comparisons, for some states this category covers amounts just under 1 ounce) Marijuana possession arrests accounted for 90% of all marijuana arrests in Washington during 2007. (Nationally, marijuana possession arrests account for 89% of all marijuana arrests.) There were 14,766 arrests for marijuana possession in Washington in 2007, and 1,707 arrests for marijuana sales. The arrest rate for marijuana possession in Washington was 228 per 100,000 for 2007, while the arrest rate for marijuana sales was 26. Marijuana arrests also accounted for 48% of all drug arrests in Washington during 2007. December 21, 2011 at 8:32pm Like
Paul McCrea I don't think he brought that up. But I could be wrong. December 21, 2011 at 8:32pm Like
Jared Allaway Someone keeps trying to compare legalizing marijuana to legalizing sex with kids. There is a big difference, I can't believe someone brought that up. Adults using marijuana should not be something on which we spend our tax dollars. December 21, 2011 at 8:33pm Like
Paul McCrea And? What do those stats prove? December 21, 2011 at 8:34pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey I brought it up to make a point that ANYBODY can find a study about literally ANYTHING to fit their point of view. It was intended to be tongue and cheek. Apparently not appreciated among this crowd. December 21, 2011 at 8:34pm via mobile Like 2
Jared Allaway I gave you my evidence. It is called thousands of years of use and not one overdose death ever. December 21, 2011 at 8:34pm Like
Jared Allaway The human body makes its own cannabis so eating it in plant form is merely a supplement to our bodies natural system. December 21, 2011 at 8:35pm Like
Paul McCrea I've seen people start with pot and overdose on other drugs. December 21, 2011 at 8:35pm Like
Jared Allaway That doesn't fit in with what we're talking about here. December 21, 2011 at 8:35pm Like
Paul McCrea It's the "gateway" drug. Don't ya know? December 21, 2011 at 8:35pm Like
Jared Allaway I know people who started with milk, then moved on to beer, then whiskey. December 21, 2011 at 8:36pm Like
Jared Allaway We better start arresting people for milk. December 21, 2011 at 8:36pm Like
Paul McCrea Oh, so when we post a bad part about pot then "it doesn't fit here"? December 21, 2011 at 8:36pm Like
Jared Allaway I think the original post was deleted. December 21, 2011 at 8:37pm Like
Paul McCrea Not once have I seen someone go from milk the whiskey. December 21, 2011 at 8:37pm Like
Jared Allaway Someone wrote that comparison, then I wrote "thats retarded" Then the sex comparison post disappeared. December 21, 2011 at 8:37pm Like
Paul McCrea And why are you back to the alcohol comparison again? December 21, 2011 at 8:37pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey No Jared. I'll try this once more, then it's just a list cause. If you're citing that marijuana isn't dangerous, is beneficial. Is natural, etc., you've got a fallacy. You're same justifications are used to justify other things that society believes should remain illegal. Clear? If not, then there's no point going further. December 21, 2011 at 8:37pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway What if someone starts with beer then moves on to crack, do we have to make beer illegal now? December 21, 2011 at 8:38pm Like
Paul McCrea Oh, that's right. Pot needs the negative of alcohol to have enough "merits" to stand on it's own. December 21, 2011 at 8:38pm Like
Paul McCrea Forgive me, I see your "logic". December 21, 2011 at 8:38pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Yes, I took the post down to highlight your post that said retarded. December 21, 2011 at 8:39pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway It is not a fallacy read the book. http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/marijuana_is_safer
Marijuana Is Safer by Steve Fox, Paul Armentano, Mason Tvert - Chelsea Green www.chelseagreen.com <p><em>Marijuana Is Safer</em> reaches for a broad audience, including people...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:39pm Like
Jared Allaway See she just admitted it, she was the first person to compare legalizing marijuana to legalizing sex with kids. December 21, 2011 at 8:39pm Like
Paul McCrea LOL, MORE alcohol comparisons? Don't you get it? December 21, 2011 at 8:40pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared, do you honestly expect anybody to believe that you're making an argument for the legalization of cannibas salad???? Come on... December 21, 2011 at 8:40pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Jared, just what is your advanced degree in? December 21, 2011 at 8:41pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway I'm suggesting that we take the laws regarding marijuana off the books. December 21, 2011 at 8:41pm Like
Jason Brunson I appreciate Crystal's intelligent and articulate posts. You are over your head with her, Jared, and are taking a serious beatdown. Also, you keep referencing people making Pablo Escobar rich. He has been dead for twenty years and was a cocaine kingpin. December 21, 2011 at 8:41pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway keeping in place penalties for minors and adults who give to minors December 21, 2011 at 8:41pm Like
Jared Allaway You know what I mean though. December 21, 2011 at 8:42pm Like
Paul McCrea He has shown nothing but alcohol comparisons. That's his WHOLE argument. If that's all you've got then you better try harder. December 21, 2011 at 8:42pm Like
Jared Allaway The modern day Pablo Escobar. 60% of their money is from marijuana December 21, 2011 at 8:42pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey And you really have revealed your movement to be ill equipped. I've tried in vain to explain tongue and cheek. You've outright ignored it. Sheer madness and hilarity. I think it's safe to say, marijuana won't be legalized anytime soon. December 21, 2011 at 8:42pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway right, because if marijuana is safer than alcohol, then arresting adults who use marijuana is perfectly fine. December 21, 2011 at 8:42pm Like
Jared Allaway Did you read that whole book? December 21, 2011 at 8:43pm Like
Paul McCrea JARED, WHAT MERITS DOES POT HAVE? Can you do that without throwing out the negative of some other substance? December 21, 2011 at 8:44pm Like
Paul McCrea Who cares what booze does or doesn't do? Who cares what morphine does or doesn't do? Who cares what....blah blah blah. JUST stick to pot and prove it's good for us.
Jared Allaway What do you propose we do? Should we make a law that says "arrest people who use substances that cause recreational impairment if those substances are harmful"? December 21, 2011 at 8:46pm Like
Paul McCrea I'm not proposing anything. I'm asking you to provide evidence that pot is good for us. Can you do that? December 21, 2011 at 8:47pm Like
Jared Allaway When people first start using tobacco, they may report feeling pretty nice. After a while of using tobacco everyday, the effects are quite different. December 21, 2011 at 8:48pm Like
Jared Allaway Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8155-marijuana-might-cause-new-cell-growthin-the-brain.html
Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain - health - 13 October 2005 New Scientist www.newscientist.com New nerve cells have been shown to form in rats given a cannabinoid chemical, and this cell growth might even lower depression December 21, 2011 at 8:48pm Like
Jared Allaway http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15145917/ns/healthalzheimers_disease/t/marijuana-may-help-stave-alzheimers/#.TvK3tnqyAkk
Marijuana may help stave off Alzheimers www.msnbc.msn.com Good news for aging hippies: smoking pot may stave off Alzheimers disease. December 21, 2011 at 8:49pm Like
Jared Allaway http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
BBC NEWS | Health | Marijuana may block Alzheimer's news.bbc.co.uk The active ingredient in marijuana may stall decline from Alzheimer's disease, research suggests. December 21, 2011 at 8:50pm Like
Chad Buchanan "I'm asking you to provide evidence that pot is good for us. Can you do that?" We should make sugar cookies illegal forthwith December 21, 2011 at 8:51pm Like
Paul McCrea I whole lot of "might" and "could be" in a 6 years old study.
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Look, it's revenue driven Jared. The state/govt believes its making more revenue with less man power by fining people for recreational drug use. Cost/benefit analysis. The minute it's legalized, then we've got to get the Health Dept., IRS, L&I, and a number if other agencies involved in regulating it. That's why it will never be legalized. The govt makes far more money now than if it were to have to regulate it. And you, as a law abiding tax payer Jared, would wind up paying taxes to fund those regulations. So just do what you do. Let the rest of society do what it does. And learn to make analytical connections before venturing into your next debate. December 21, 2011 at 8:52pm via mobile Like 1
Paul McCrea Was that supposed to be intelligent Chad? December 21, 2011 at 8:52pm Like
Jared Allaway http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18482430
Ligands that target cannabinoid receptors in the... [Addict Biol. 2008] - PubMed NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov PubMed comprises more than 21 million citations for biomedical literature from M...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:54pm Like
Jared Allaway http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Role+of+CB1+cannabinoid+receptors+on +GABAergic+neurons+in+brain+aging
Role of CB1 cannabinoid receptors o... [Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov PubMed comprises more than 21 million citations for biomedical literature from M...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:55pm Like
Jared Allaway http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1751232/
Plant cannabinoids: a neglected pharmacological treasure trove www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Thomas A, Stevenson LA, Wease KN, Price MR, Baillie G, Ross RA, Pertwee RG. Br J Pharmacol. 2005 Dec; 146(7):917-26. December 21, 2011 at 8:55pm Like
Cannabinoid drugs and enhancement of endocannab... [Curr Mol Med. 2006] PubMed - NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov PubMed comprises more than 21 million citations for biomedical literature from M...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:56pm Like
Jared Allaway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide
Anandamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org InChI=1S/C22H37NO2/c1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-22(25)2320-...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:56pm Like
Paul McCrea But I think it will be legalized Crystal. Each generation that goes by lets their standards drop more and more. Won't be long. But yes, it is money driven. They want a new drug they can tax. It will be legal soon. December 21, 2011 at 8:57pm Like 1
Jared Allaway http://cannabisinternational.org/info/Non-PsychoactiveCannabinoids.pdf December 21, 2011 at 8:57pm Like
The diverse CB1 and CB2 receptor pharmacology... [Br J Pharmacol. 2008] PubMed - NCBI www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov PubMed comprises more than 21 million citations for biomedical literature from M...See More December 21, 2011 at 8:58pm Like
Paul McCrea He's not spamming, J.d., he's proving his side. December 21, 2011 at 8:58pm Unlike 1
Jason Brunson Jared, the more I read from you the more I think you should be the poster child for keeping cannabis illegal. December 21, 2011 at 8:59pm Unlike 2
Jared Allaway very funny. December 21, 2011 at 9:00pm Like
Paul McCrea Jared, thanks for finally providing some evidence besides a flippen alcohol comparison. That argument was getting old. December 21, 2011 at 9:03pm Unlike 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Paul, I once believed that too until I caught wind of the amount of money it would take to regulate it. Possible I suppose, and I agree with your point about standards. Perhaps it will be. But here's the racquet now. College student gets caught smoking dope. Goes to court. Pleads to the following: 1 yr suspended sentence. $1000 fine. Record expunged after 24 mos. if no other infractions and must pay for and attend a state run drug rehab/education program. Multiply that by the numbers of young people caught and you get a huge revenue stream for the state with little to no effort. December 21, 2011 at 9:04pm via mobile Like
Jared Allaway It is like counseling for an addiction to starbucks. December 21, 2011 at 9:04pm Like
Paul McCrea Well yes, they'll be missing some money here and make some over there. They'll just swap revenue sources. December 21, 2011 at 9:06pm Like
Paul McCrea But the state will be so stoned that they won't care. December 21, 2011 at 9:06pm Like 2
Jared Allaway It really doesn't get in the way of work and stuff. There are a lot of people who have to use cannabis all day for pain management. They actually move around slower without it. December 21, 2011 at 9:14pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey You do realize State's Rights have made it possible to legalize medical marijuana right? Not hard to get a script. I happen to know doctors in tc who have licenses to write scripts. December 21, 2011 at 9:17pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea That's the only reason I'd even consider it, pain management. December 21, 2011 at 9:18pm Like
Paul McCrea But it's still a federal offense, Crystal. December 21, 2011 at 9:18pm Like
Paul McCrea The Feds can still come in to WA State and bust people that have a script and medical marijuana. December 21, 2011 at 9:19pm Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey So, if that's what needs to be addressed then address it. Opioid addiction is WA st is at an all time high....no Lynn intended. Medical marijuana may be a better option for these patients. To my knowledge I haven't heard that the DEA has busted anyone in TC for MM. An I wrong? I mean legitimate MM. December 21, 2011 at 9:21pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey I meant....no punn intended....oops December 21, 2011 at 9:22pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea I couldn't tell you if there have been any Federal busts here for MM. But the fact remains that they CAN do it if they so choose. If pain management would have been Jared's argument from the beginning then this would have been much easier. But I don't think that's his main point. Seems like he just wants to get stoned. Float in la la land and get away from reality. To each their own. December 21, 2011 at 9:29pm Like 2
Crystal Davison DeCoursey ROTFL Paul. Merry Christmas and I agree....to each their own. December 21, 2011 at 9:31pm via mobile Like 1
Donniel Smoot Louderback I am in pain EVERY DAY and would never consider MM. I don't like the feeling of being out of control of my own actions. December 21, 2011 at 9:31pm Like
Paul McCrea Merry Christmas to you too, Crystal. December 21, 2011 at 9:32pm Like 1
Chad Buchanan I take 5 methadone a day for pain, I wish I liked pot. December 21, 2011 at 9:41pm Like
Wes Richardson Marijuana doesn't need a clinical reason to be legal. The reason Jared keeps comparing it to alcohol is because it is really the only widely used, legal recreational substance. There have been studies that show marijuana can treat a multitude of symptoms (trouble eating, chronic pain, anxiety, degenerative diseases of the brain, etc), to believe otherwise is ignorant...especially when the government has PATENTS on cannabinoid compounds for potential future use as a neuroprotectant. Neuro (brain) protectant (protects it). Google it. HOWEVER, even if you choose to plug your ears and go "lalalala" through all the medical research and obviously contradicting government policy, marijuana should still be legalized on merit that it is a safer alternative to alcohol. Alcohol has no medical value, it is used strictly recreationally and is a socially acceptable "high" that lets you unwind and loosen up after the day's toils. What if someone came to you with a bottle and said "this is the new super alcohol. You can drink as much as you want and you'll never die from it, you'll never get a hangover, you'll never blackout and beat your wife/kids, you'll never be an alcoholic, you'll never pee your pants or sleep with someone you shouldn't have, you'll never spend the night clutching the toilet...you'll just feel great and kinda hungry"
Sounds like a wonderful alternative to rotten grain juices we've been poisoning ourselves with, no? Why on earth would you ban something like that? A healthier and safer alternative to alcohol shouldn't have been illegal in the first place. It's not a matter of "why does this need to be legal?", it's "why in the hell is this illegal?". I drank heavily in college. Even now at 25 y/o, beer pong is the activity of choice at most parties. I am proud to say I no longer drink, only smoke, and it has been a positive change in my life. I wake up in the morning ready to work, not hungover and fighting "the beershits". As a professional musician I spend several nights a week in bars, I see all the alcoholics...the fights...the drama, barf in the urinals...I am so glad I'm not a part of that, and I hope when the time comes my children will be able to make that same choice without the legal trouble and stigma marijuana currently carries. And before one of your ignorantly tries to characterize me as some burnout because of my age and the fact that I use pot, you should know that I've worked as a Newspaper Planner and a Civil/Structural Engineer. I'm a well-spoken and published professional that can solve complex static physics and calculus problems with ZERO error (all reviewed by state board, none came back). You wouldn't peg me for a stoner on the street, my attire is GQ not gangster. Weed isn't holding me back, your PERCEPTIONS are. By the way, regulation and taxation doesn't scare me at all. I can get high for as little as $5 now, and that's at black market prices. Do you know what $5 gets you at a bar? If anything getting it in the open would drive the prices down through healthy competition. Besides, it literally grows on trees! December 21, 2011 at 10:08pm Unlike 4
Paul McCrea Wes, I just think it's funny that you didn't belong to this group until a couple hours ago when Jared added you. That just so happened to be when he was getting hammered on this post. Then, a little later, he totally switched his argument and started showing up with links all of the sudden. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe he had to go get some back-up because he felt he was losing a debate. Interesting turn of events. Take care. December 21, 2011 at 10:37pm Like 2
Wes Richardson It's not a coincidence. I could see this conversation in the little stream box to the right, and it was frustrating me that I could not speak up. I posted on his wall asking if I could be added. He has better experts than me that he could call on for back up. The links he is showing you are in the same vein as others that he posts from time to
time. Jared does his research, and has not flip-flopped on any point that I'm aware of. Soooo...no it's not really "funny". What IS funny is how you're unable to refute anything I said, so you walk away blaming Jared's big bad reinforcements...ie one Oregon boy with a brain. People like you are why I hate it here...your "take care" is almost as disingenuous as the policies you defend. December 21, 2011 at 10:49pm Unlike 2
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Unsafe in Any Amount: How Marijuana Is Not Like Alcohol Marijuana advocates have had some success peddling the notion that marijuana is a soft drug, similar to alcohol, and fundamentally different from hard drugs like cocaine or heroin. It is true that marijuana is not the most dangerous of the commonly abused drugs, but that is not to say that it is safe. Indeed, marijuana shares more in common with the hard drugs than it does with alcohol. A common argument for legalization is that smoking marijuana is no more dangerous than drinking alcohol and that prohibiting the use of marijuana is therefore no more justified than the prohibition of alcohol. As Jacob Sullum, author of Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use, writes: Americans understood the problems associated with alcohol abuse, but they also understood the problems associated with Prohibition, which included violence, organized crime, official corruption, the erosion of civil liberties, disrespect for the law, and injuries and deaths caused by tainted black-market booze. They decided that these unintended side effects far outweighed whatever harms Prohibition prevented by discouraging drinking. The same sort of analysis today would show that the harm caused by drug prohibition far outweighs the harm it prevents, even without taking into account the value to each individual of being sovereign over his own body and mind.[7] At first blush, this argument is appealing, especially to those wary of over-regulation by government. But it overlooks the enormous difference between alcohol and marijuana. Legalization advocates claim that marijuana and alcohol are mild intoxicants and so should be regulated similarly; but as the experience of nearly every culture, over the thousands of years of human history, demonstrates, alcohol is different. Nearly every culture has its own alcoholic preparations, and nearly all have successfully regulated alcohol consumption through cultural norms. The same cannot be said of marijuana. There are several possible explanations for alcohols unique status: For most people, it is not addictive; it is rarely consumed to the point of intoxication; low-level consumption is consistent with most manual and intellectual tasks; it has several positive health benefits; and it is formed by the fermentation of many common
substances and easily metabolized by the body. To be sure, there are costs associated with alcohol abuse, such as drunk driving and disease associated with excessive consumption. A few culturesand this nation for a short while during Prohibitionhave concluded that the benefits of alcohol consumption are not worth the costs. But they are the exception; most cultures have concluded that it is acceptable in moderation. No other intoxicant shares that status. Alcohol differs from marijuana in several crucial respects. First, marijuana is far more likely to cause addiction. Second, it is usually consumed to the point of intoxication. Third, it has no known general healthful properties, though it may have some palliative effects. Fourth, it is toxic and deleterious to health. Thus, while it is true that both alcohol and marijuana are less intoxicating than other mood-altering drugs, that is not to say that marijuana is especially similar to alcohol or that its use is healthy or even safe. In fact, compared to alcohol, marijuana is not safe. Long-term, moderate consumption of alcohol carries few health risks and even offers some significant benefits. For example, a glass of wine (or other alcoholic drink) with dinner actually improves health.[8] Dozens of peer-reviewed medical studies suggest that drinking moderate amounts of alcohol reduces the risk of heart disease, strokes, gallstones, diabetes, and death from a heart attack.[9] According to the Mayo Clinic, among many others, moderate use of alcohol (defined as two drinks a day) seems to offer some health benefits, particularly for the heart.[10] Countless articles in medical journals and other scientific literature confirm the positive health effects of moderate alcohol consumption. The effects of regular marijuana consumption are quite different. For example, the National Institute on Drug Abuse (a division of the National Institutes of Health) has released studies showing that use of marijuana has wide-ranging negative health effects. Long-term marijuana consumption impairs the ability of T-cells in the lungs immune system to fight off some infections.[11] These studies have also found that marijuana consumption impairs short-term memory, making it difficult to learn and retain information or perform complex tasks; slows reaction time and impairs motor coordination; increases heart rate by 20 percent to 100 percent, thus elevating the risk of heart attack; and alters moods, resulting in artificial euphoria, calmness, or (in high doses) anxiety or paranoia.[12] And it gets worse: Marijuana has toxic properties that can result in birth defects, pain, respiratory system damage, brain damage, and stroke.[13] Further, prolonged use of marijuana may cause cognitive degradation and is associated with lower test scores and lower educational attainment because during periods of intoxication the drug affects the ability to learn and process information, thus influencing attention, concentration, and short-term memory.[14] Unlike alcohol, marijuana has been shown to have a residual effect on cognitive ability that persists beyond the period of intoxication.[15] According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, whereas alcohol is broken down relatively quickly in the human body, THC (tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active chemical in marijuana) is stored in organs and
fatty tissues, allowing it to remain in a users body for days or even weeks after consumption.[16] Research has shown that marijuana consumption may also cause psychotic symptoms.[17] Marijuanas effects on the body are profound. According to the British Lung Foundation, smoking three or four marijuana joints is as bad for your lungs as smoking twenty tobacco cigarettes.[18] Researchers in Canada found that marijuana smoke contains significantly higher levels of numerous toxic compounds, like ammonia and hydrogen cyanide, than regular tobacco smoke.[19] In fact, the study determined that ammonia was found in marijuana smoke at levels of up to 20 times the levels found in tobacco.[20] Similarly, hydrogen cyanide was found in marijuana smoke at concentrations three to five times greater than those found in tobacco smoke.[21] Marijuana, like tobacco, is addictive. One study found that more than 30 percent of adults who used marijuana in the course of a year were dependent on the drug.[22] These individuals often show signs of withdrawal and compulsive behavior.[23] Marijuana dependence is also responsible for a large proportion of calls to drug abuse help lines and treatment centers. To equate marijuana use with alcohol consumption is, at best, uninformed and, at worst, actively misleading. Only in the most superficial ways are the two substances alike, and they differ in every way that counts: addictiveness, toxicity, health effects, and risk of intoxication. Unintended Consequences December 21, 2011 at 11:03pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Today, marijuana trafficking is linked to a variety of crimes, from assault and murder to money laundering and smuggling. Legalization of marijuana would increase demand for the drug and almost certainly exacerbate drugrelated crime, as well as cause a myriad of unintended but predictable consequences. To begin with, an astonishingly high percentage of criminals are marijuana users. According to a study by the RAND Corporation, approximately 60 percent of arrestees test positive for marijuana use in the United States, England, and Australia. Further, marijuana metabolites are found in arrestees urine more frequently than those of any other drug.[24] Although some studies have shown marijuana to inhibit aggressive behavior and violence, the National Research Council concluded that the long-term use of marijuana may alter the nervous system in ways that do promote violence.[25] No place serves as a better example than Amsterdam.
Marijuana advocates often point to the Netherlands as a well-functioning society with a relaxed attitude toward drugs, but they rarely mention that Amsterdam is one of Europes most violent cities. In Amsterdam, officials are in the process of closing marijuana dispensaries, or coffee shops, because of the crime associated with their operation.[26] Furthermore, the Dutch Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport has expressed concern about drug and alcohol use among young people and the social consequences, which range from poor school performance and truancy to serious impairment, including brain damage.[27] Amsterdams experience is already being duplicated in California under the current medical marijuana statute. In Los Angeles, police report that areas surrounding cannabis clubs have experienced a 200 percent increase in robberies, a 52.2 percent increase in burglaries, a 57.1 percent increase in aggravated assault, and a 130.8 percent increase in burglaries from automobiles. Current law requires a doctors prescription to procure marijuana; full legalization would likely spark an even more acute increase in crime. Legalization of marijuana would also inflict a series of negative consequences on neighborhoods and communities. The nuisance caused by the powerful odor of mature marijuana plants is already striking California municipalities. The City Council of Chico, California, has released a report detailing the situation and describing how citizens living near marijuana cultivators are disturbed by the incredible stink emanating from the plants.[28] Perhaps worse than the smell, crime near growers is increasing, associated with the theft of marijuana from yards where it is being grown.[29] As a result, housing prices near growers are sinking. Theoretical arguments in favor of marijuana legalization usually overlook the practical matter of how the drug would be regulated and sold. It is the details of implementation, of course, that will determine the effect of legalization on families, schools, and communities. Most basically, how and where would marijuana be sold? Would neighborhoods become neon red-light districts like Amsterdams, accompanied by the same crime and social disorder? If so, who decides what neighborhoods will be so afflictedresidents and landowners or far-off government officials? Or would marijuana sales be so widespread that users could add it to their grocery lists? If so, how would stores sell it, how would they store it, and how would they prevent it from being diverted into the gray market? Would stores dealing in marijuana have to fortify their facilities to reduce the risk of theft and assault?[30] The most likely result is that the drug will not be sold in legitimate stores at all, because while the federal government is currently tolerating medical marijuana dispensaries, it will not tolerate wide-scale sales under general legalizational statutes. So marijuana will continue to be sold on the gray or black market.
The act does not answer these or other practical questions regarding implementation. Rather, it leaves those issues to localities. No doubt, those entities will pass a variety of laws in an attempt to deal with the many problems caused by legalization, unless the local laws are struck down by California courts as inconsistent with the underlying initiative, which would be even worse. At best, that patchwork of laws, differing from one locality to another, will be yet another unintended and predictable problem arising from legalization as envisioned under this act. Citizens also should not overlook what may be the greatest harms of marijuana legalization: increased addiction to and use of harder drugs. In addition to marijuanas harmful effects on the body and relationship to criminal conduct, it is a gateway drug that can lead users to more dangerous drugs. Prosecutors, judges, police officers, detectives, parole or probation officers, and even defense attorneys know that the vast majority of defendants arrested for violent crimes test positive for illegal drugs, including marijuana. They also know that marijuana is the starter drug of choice for most criminals. Whereas millions of Americans consume moderate amounts of alcohol without ever moving on to dangerous drugs, marijuana use and cocaine use are strongly correlated. While correlation does not necessarily reflect causation, and while the science is admittedly mixed as to whether it is the drug itself or the people the new user associates with who cause the move on to cocaine, heroin, LSD, or other drugs, the RAND Corporation reports that marijuana prices and cocaine use are directly linked, suggesting a substitution effect between the two drugs.[31] Moreover, according to RAND, legalization will cause marijuana prices to fall as much as 80 percent.[32] That can lead to significant consequences because a 10-percent decrease in the price of marijuana would increase the prevalence of cocaine use by 4.4 to 4.9 percent.[33] As cheap marijuana floods the market both in and outside of California, use of many different types of drugs will increase, as will marijuana use. It is impossible to predict the precise consequences of legalization, but the experiences of places that have eased restrictions on marijuana are not positive. Already, California is suffering crime, dislocation, and increased drug use under its current regulatory scheme. Further liberalizing the law will only make matters worse. December 21, 2011 at 11:04pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Flouting Federal Law Another area of great uncertainty is how a state law legalizing marijuana would fit in with federal law to the contrary. Congress has enacted a comprehensive regulatory scheme for restricting access to illicit drugs and other controlled substances. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 prohibits the manufacture, distribution, and possession of all substances deemed to be Schedule I drugsdrugs like heroin, PCP,
and cocaine. Because marijuana has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, it is a Schedule I drug that cannot be bought, sold, possessed, or used without violating federal law. Under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States, the Controlled Substances Act is the supreme law of the land and cannot be superseded by state laws that purport to contradict or abrogate its terms. The RCTCA proposes to reform Californias cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state and [r]egulate cannabis like we do alcohol.[34] But the act does not even purport to address the fundamental constitutional infirmity that it would be in direct conflict with federal law. If enacted and unchallenged by the federal government, it would call into question the governments ability to regulate all controlled substances, including drugs such as Oxycontin, methamphetamine, heroin, and powder and crack cocaine. More likely, however, the feds would challenge the law in court, and the courts would have no choice but to strike it down. Congress has the power to change the Controlled Substances Act and remove marijuana from Schedule I. Yet after decades of lobbying, it has not, largely because of the paucity of scientific evidence in support of a delisting. California, in fact, is already in direct violation of federal law. Today, its laws allow the use of marijuana as a treatment for a range of vaguely defined conditions, including chronic pain, nausea, and lack of appetite, depression, anxiety, and glaucoma. Marijuana doctors are listed in the classified advertising sections of newspapers, and many are conveniently located adjacent to dispensaries. At least one doctor writes prescriptions from a tiny hut beside the Venice Beach Boardwalk. This medical marijuana law and similar ones in other states are premised on circumvention of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval process. FDAs drug approval process requires well-controlled clinical trials that provide the necessary scientific data upon which FDA makes its approval and labeling decisions.[35] Marijuana, even that supposedly used for medicinal purposes, has been rejected by the FDA because, among other reasons, it has no currently accepted or proven medical use.[36] The lack of FDA approval means that marijuana may come from unknown sources, may be adulterated with foreign substances, or may not even be marijuana at all. Pot buyers have no way to know what they are getting, and there is no regulatory authority with the ability to go after bogus manufacturers and dealers. Even if one overlooks its inherently harmful properties, marijuana that is commonly sold is likely to be far less safe than that studied in the lab or elsewhere. Marijuana advocates claim that federal enforcement of drug laws, particularly in jurisdictions that allow the use of medical marijuana, violates states rights. The Supreme Court, however, has held otherwise. In 2002, California resident Angel Raich produced and consumed marijuana, purportedly for medical purposes. Her actions,
while in accordance with Californias medical marijuana law,[37] clearly violated the Controlled Substances Act, and the local sheriffs department destroyed Raichs plants. Raich claimed that she needed to use marijuana, prescribed by her doctor, for medical purposes. She sued the federal government, asking the court to stop the government from interfering with her right to produce and use marijuana. In 2006, the Supreme Court held in Gonzales vs. Raich[38] that the Commerce Clause confers on Congress the authority to ban the use of marijuana, even when a state approves it for medical purposes and it is produced in small quantities for personal consumption. Many legal scholars criticize the Courts extremely broad reading of the Commerce Clause as inconsistent with its original meaning, but the Courts decision nonetheless stands. If the RCTCA were enacted, it would conflict with the provisions of the Controlled Substances Act and invite extensive litigation that would almost certainly result in its being struck down. Until that happened, state law enforcement officers would be forced into a position of uncertainty regarding their conflicting obligations under federal and state law and cooperation with federal authorities. December 21, 2011 at 11:04pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Bogus Economics An innovation of the campaign in support of RCTCA is its touting of the potential benefit of legalization to the government, in terms of additional revenues from taxing marijuana and savings from backing down in the war on drugs. The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), for example, claims that legalization could yield California taxpayers over $1.2 billion per year in tax benefits.[39] According to a California NORML Report updated in October 2009, an excise tax of $50 per ounce would raise about $770 million to $900 million per year and save over $200 million in law enforcement costs per year.[40] It is worth noting that $900 million equates to 18 million ouncesenough marijuana for Californians to smoke one billion marijuana cigarettes each year. But these projections are highly speculative and riddled with unfounded assumptions. Dr. Rosalie Liccardo Pacula, an expert with the RAND Corporation who has studied the economics of drug policy for over 15 years, has explained that the California Board of Equalizations estimate of $1.4 billion [in] potential revenue for the state is based on a series of assumptions that are in some instances subject to tremendous uncertainty and in other cases not validated.[41] She urged the California Committee on Public Safety to conduct an honest and thorough cost-benefit analysis of the potential revenues and costs associated with legalizing marijuana. To date, no such realistic cost-benefit analysis has been done.
In her testimony before the committee, Dr. Pacula stated that prohibition raises the cost of production by at least 400 percent and that legalizing marijuana would cause the price of marijuana to fall considerablymuch more than the 50 percent price reduction incorporated into the states revenue model. Furthermore, she noted that a $50-perounce marijuana tax was not realistic, because it would represent a 100 percent tax on the cost of the product. Under the state scheme, she testified, there would be tremendous profit motive for the existing black market providers to stay in the market.[42] The only way California could effectively eliminate the black market for marijuana, according to Dr. Pacula, is to take away the substantial profits in the market and allow the price of marijuana to fall to an amount close to the cost of production. Doing so, however, will mean substantially smaller tax revenue than currently anticipated from this change in policy. The RCTCA, in fact, allows for so much individual production of marijuana that even the Board of Equalizations $1.4 billion per year revenue estimate seems unlikely. Under the law, any resident could grow marijuana for personal use in a plot at home up to 25 square feet in size. One ounce of marijuana is enough for 60 to 120 marijuana cigarettes. One plant produces one to five pounds, or 16 to 80 ounces, of marijuana each year, and 25 square feet of land can sustain about 25 plants. Therefore, an individual will be able to produce 24,000 to 240,000 joints legally each year. Not only is this more than any individual could possibly consume; it is also enough to encourage individuals to grow and sell pot under the individual allowance. Who would buy marijuana from a state-regulated store and pay the $50 tax per ounce in addition to the sale price when they can either grow it themselves or buy it at a much lower price from a friend or neighbor? In this way, the RCTCA undermines its supporters lavish revenue claims. December 21, 2011 at 11:05pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Other Negative Social Costs In addition to its direct effects on individual health, even moderate marijuana use imposes significant long-term costs through the ways that it affects individual users. Marijuana use is associated with cognitive difficulties and influences attention, concentration, and short-term memory. This damage affects drug users ability to work and can put others at risk. Even if critical workersfor example, police officers, airline pilots, and machine operatorsused marijuana recreationally but remained sober on the job, the long-term cognitive deficiency that remained from regular drug use would sap productivity and place countless people in danger. Increased use would also send health care costs skyrocketingcosts borne not just by individual users, but also by the entire society.
For that reason, among others, the Obama Administration also rejects supporters economic arguments. In his speech, Kerlikowske explained that tax revenue from cigarettes is far outweighed by their social costs: Tobacco also does not carry its economic weight when we tax it; each year we spend more than $200 billion and collect only about $25 billion in taxes. If the heavy taxation of cigarettes is unable even to come close to making up for the health and other costs associated with their use, it seems doubtful at best that marijuana taxes would be sufficient to cover the costs of legalized marijuanaespecially considering that, in addition to the other dangers of smoking marijuana, the physical health effects of just three to four joints are equivalent to those of an entire pack of cigarettes. Other claims also do not measure up. One of the express purposes of the California initiative is to put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.[43] But as explained above, many blackmarket dealers would rationally choose to remain in the black market to avoid taxation and regulation. Vibrant gray markets have developed throughout the world for many products that are legal, regulated, and heavily taxed. Cigarettes in Eastern Europe, alcohol in Scandinavia, luxury automobiles in Russia, and DVDs in the Middle East are all legal goods traded in gray markets that are wracked with violence. In Canada, an attempt at a $3 per pack tax on cigarettes was greeted with the creation of a black market that accounted for perhaps 30 percent of sales.[44] Further, even if the RCTCA were to pass, marijuana would remain illegal in the entire United States under federal law while taxed only in California, a situation that would strengthen both Californias gray market and the nationwide black market in illegal drugs. Fueled by generous growing allowances and an enormous supply in California, criminal sales operations would flourish as excess California marijuana was sold outside the state and, at the same time, out-of-state growers attempted to access the more permissive market inside the state. In sum, legalization would put additional strain on an already faltering economy. In 2008, marijuana alone was involved in 375,000 emergency room visits.[45] Drug overdoses already outnumber gunshot deaths in America and are approaching motor vehicle crashes as the nations leading cause of accidental death.[46] It is true that taxing marijuana sales would generate some tax revenue, but the cost of handling the influx of problems resulting from increased use would far outweigh any gain made by marijuanas taxation. Legalizing marijuana would serve only to compound the problems already associated with drug use. December 21, 2011 at 11:05pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Social Dislocation and Organized Crime The final two arguments of those favoring legalization are intertwined. According to
advocates of legalization, the governments efforts to combat the illegal drug trade have been an expensive failure. Consequently, they argue, focusing on substance abuse and treatment would be a more effective means of combating drug abuse while reducing the violence and social ills stemming from anti-drug enforcement efforts. There is no doubt that if marijuana were legalized, more people, including juveniles, would consume it. Consider cigarettes: While their purchase by people under 18 is illegal, 20 percent of high school students admit to having smoked cigarettes in the past 30 days.[47] Marijuanas illegal status keeps potential drug users from using marijuana in a way that no legalization scheme can replicate by virtue of the fear of arrest and the embarrassment of being caught.[48] With increased use comes increased abuse, as the fear of arrest and embarrassment will decrease. Legalization advocates attempt to create in the minds of the public an image of a typical responsible user of marijuana: a person who is reasonable and accountable even when under the influence of marijuana. And for those few that dont fit that image? Society will treat them and restore them to full health. The facts, however, are much uglier. The RAND Corporation projects a 50 percent increase in marijuana-related traffic fatalities under the RCTCA.[49] That alone should weigh heavily on California voters this fall. In a 2008 national survey, approximately 3 million Americans 12 years old or older started using illicit drugs in the past year almost 8,000 new users per day. The most commonly used illicit drug is marijuana, especially among the 20 million Americans over 12 who were users in 2008. In California, 62 percent of all marijuana treatment cases are already individuals under 21.[50] Legalization will increase the number of underage users. Keeping marijuana illegal will undoubtedly keep many young people from using it.[51] Eliminate that criminal sanction (and moral disapprobation), and more youth will use the drug, harming their potential and ratcheting up treatment costs. Educators know that students using marijuana underperform when compared to their non-using peers. Teachers, coaches, guidance counselors, and school principals have seen the negative effect of marijuana on their students. The Rev. Dr. D. Stuart Dunnan, Headmaster of Saint James School in St. James, Maryland, says of marijuana use by students: The chemical effect of marijuana is to take away ambition. The social effect is to provide an escape from challenges and responsibilities with a like-minded group of teenagers who are doing the same thing. Using marijuana creates losers. At a time when were concerned about our lack of academic achievement relative to other countries, legalizing marijuana will be disastrous.[52] Additionally, making marijuana legal in California will fuel drug cartels and violence, particularly because the drug will still be illegal at the national level. The local demand will increase in California, but reputable growers, manufacturers, and retailers will still
be unwillingas they should beto produce and distribute marijuana. Even without the federal prohibition, most reputable producers would not survive the tort liability from such a dangerous product. Thus, the vacuum will be filled by illegal drug cartels. According to the Department of Justices National Drug Threat Assessment for 2010, Mexican drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) have expanded their cultivation operations in the United States, an ongoing trend for the past decade. Well-organized criminal groups and DTOs that produce domestic marijuana do so because of the high profitability of and demand for marijuana in the United States.[53] Legalize marijuana, and the demand for marijuana goes up substantially as the deterrence effect of law enforcement disappears. Yet not many suppliers will operate legally, refusing to subject themselves to the established state regulatory scheme not to mention taxationwhile still risking federal prosecution, conviction, and prison time. So who will fill the void? Violent, brutal, and ruthless, Mexican DTOs will work to maintain their black-market profits at the expense of American citizens safety. Every week, there are news articles cataloguing the murders, kidnappings, robberies, and other thuggish brutality employed by Mexican drug gangs along the border. It is nonsensical to argue that these gangs will simply give up producing marijuana when it is legalized; indeed, their profits might soar, depending on the actual tax in California and the economics of the interstate trade. While such profits might not be possible if marijuana was legalized at the national level and these gangs were undercut by mass production, that is unlikely ever to happen. Nor does anyone really believe that the gangs will subject themselves to state and local regulation, including taxation. And since the California ballot does nothing to eliminate the black market for marijuanaquite the opposite, in factlegalizing marijuana will only incentivize Mexican DTOs to grow more marijuana to feed the demand and exploit the black market. Furthermore, should California legalize marijuana, other entrepreneurs will inevitably attempt to enter the marketplace and game the system. In doing so, they will compete with Mexican DTOs and other criminal organizations. Inevitably, violence will follow, and unlike now, that violence will not be confined to the border as large-scale growers seek to protect their turfturf that will necessarily include anywhere they grow, harvest, process, or sell marijuana. While this may sound far-fetched, Californians in Alameda County are already experiencing the reality of cartel-run marijuana farms on sometimes stolen land,[54] protected by guys [who] are pretty heavily armed and willing to protect their merchandise.[55] It is not uncommon for drugs with large illegal markets to be controlled by cartels despite attempts to roll them into the normal medical control scheme. For instance, cocaine has a medical purpose and can be prescribed by doctors as Erythroxylum coca, yet its true production and distribution are controlled by drug cartels and organized crime.[56] As competition from growers and dispensaries authorized by the RCTCA cuts further into the Mexican DTOs business, Californians will face a real possibility
of bloodshed on their own soil as the cartels profit-protection measures turn from defensive to offensive. December 21, 2011 at 11:06pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/legalizing-marijuana-why-citizensshould-just-say-no December 21, 2011 at 11:07pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey The info I provided is a response to an initiative in CA in 2010 December 21, 2011 at 11:07pm via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Wes, given your background in Civil Engineering and Jared, with your advanced degrees, you two should more than be able to handle these arguments. Try not to get offended Jared. December 21, 2011 at 11:14pm via mobile Like 1
Paul McCrea Wes, I haven't tried to refute anything you said so what's so "funny" about that? Should I choose to, it wouldn't be that tough. I've seen your arguments before. Amazing how this subject looks to a self proclaimed 25 year old stoner. You've been around for so long that you know it all. LOL How many times have REAL adults heard people like you make claims only to see them change them once they grow up? Countless. I guess I don't need to refute anything, Crystal is doing a fine job all by herself. You asked for it. lol December 21, 2011 at 11:17pm Like 1
Paul McCrea And just so you know, I don't say 'Take care' unless I mean it so don't be an ass. YOU need to scroll back up before you run your mouth. Go check to see that I have not defended ANY policies and in fact stated multiple times that I am on the fence on this one and I'm looking for proof that MM is good for me. It's people like you that jump in late, think they know something, run their mouth, and turn a good debate into something bad by insulting others. Good thing I don't get insulted that easily. December 21, 2011 at 11:17pm Like 1
Scott Couch The rumble of response is coming.....can you hear it? December 22, 2011 at 12:00am via mobile Unlike 1
Scott Couch The Heritage Foundation? Honestly? December 22, 2011 at 12:11am via mobile Unlike 1
Paul McCrea It's a good place, why? Just because they're conservative, they're bad? December 22, 2011 at 12:12am Like
Scott Couch Its a Koch sucker mouthpiece and a joke of a source. It depends on you if that's bad or not. December 22, 2011 at 12:35am via mobile Unlike 1
Wes Richardson @Paul McCrea I don't believe you are on the fence. It looks like you're just playing devil's advocate. Your tone gives it away. By the way, what constitutes a "REAL adult"? You mean like the police chiefs, politicians, doctors, and scientists that also support legalization? What I say doesn't matter because I'm not 40 or what? Once again you are being dismissive, not open-minded. You were also being dismissive when you said "take care", which I rightfully called you on. Your comment was snide and you
were accusing me and Jared of some kind of power play, don't hide behind your sarcasm. I won't be baited by you any further. Have a nice day. <--- look I can do it too! Crystal Davison DeCoursey I don't have the time or patience to refute everything in that load of text you copy+pasted but I will try to hit some key points for you. For starters, it looks like most (or all) of the studies referenced are conducted by government organizations. It shouldn't come as a big surprise that their findings supported their policies, the government also found that marijuana enraged black men and made them rape women at one point. You need to take that info with a grain of salt. Also, if you pay attention to the way it is written, you can tell it is not objective at all...tell me where is the scientific proof that pot turns people into "losers"? That's not any kind of fact, that's a very biased assertion...the kind that shouldn't be found in professional informative writing. The whole text is infused with that kind of flavor, it's more of an opinion piece and is a poor reference. For starters, regarding civilizations ingesting and regulating alcohol through the ages but not marijuana, I present to you a 2700 y/o stoner http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/worldsoldest-marijuana-stash-totally-busted/#.TvLr0dRtauY "Alcohol differs from marijuana in several crucial respects. First, marijuana is far more likely to cause addiction. Second, it is usually consumed to the point of intoxication. Third, it has no known general healthful properties, though it may have some palliative effects. Fourth, it is toxic and deleterious to health. Thus, while it is true that both alcohol and marijuana are less intoxicating than other mood-altering drugs, that is not to say that marijuana is especially similar to alcohol or that its use is healthy or even safe." ^ this whole paragraph is blatantly false. There is no conclusive study that even proves marijuana to be physically addictive, much less more so than alcohol. Furthermore, if you're not consuming either to the point of "intoxication", you're not really using them "recreationally"...you're just having a microbrew with your dinner. Buzzed is the same as drunk in the eyes of the law. No known healthful properties, are you kidding? "Cannabis used medically does have several well-documented beneficial effects. Among these are: the amelioration of nausea and vomiting, stimulation of hunger in chemotherapy and AIDS patients, lowered intraocular eye pressure (shown to be effective for treating glaucoma), as well as general analgesic effects (pain reliever).b[] Less confirmed individual studies also have been conducted indicating cannabis to be beneficial to a gamut of conditions running from multiple sclerosis to depression. " Toxic and deleterious to health? The only lasting negative effects are from the SMOKE that damages the lungs as any smoke will (and it is STILL less carcinogenic than cigarettes, which are LEGAL). This is avoided by using a vaporizer, which is how medical marijuana is typically administered. Heart rate, poor motor skills, and short term memory loss end when the high ends, see: http://loopylettuce.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/marijuana-myth-short-term-memoryloss/
Most of the economic and criminal speculation is off base too. Why would legalizing marijuana cause more strife with Mexico? Most of the people interested in smoking pot already do. Legalizing it won't create some new, massive demand...and even if it did, that demand would be met by savvy American farmers, creating jobs in their wake. The marijuana from Mexico is CRAP, nobody WANTS to smoke it. It's usually bone dry, full of seeds, tastes terrible, and you have to smoke half your sack just to feel anything. It is something we "settle" for when nothing better can be procured. Meanwhile CA, OR, MT etc are revered for producing quality product, the only bottleneck to supplying the demand is an artificial legal block. I've typed a lot and it's 1:22am, but I've poked enough holes in the text you pasted that you ought to see it doesn't hold water. If you'd like to pick out a couple parts you don't feel I addressed, I'd be happy to discuss them tomorrow.
World's oldest marijuana stash totally busted www.msnbc.msn.com Nearly two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave ...See More December 22, 2011 at 1:26am Unlike 3
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez crystal, i am friends with someone in richland who liked to smoke pot. he had no record, smoked cigarettes, and hated alcohol. one day the cops busted into his house based on some sort of tip. he went to jail for possession. he now has that on his permanent record that he was busted for pot. he quit pot, and then started popping pills. he told me if he's going to go to jail for drugs, it might as well be worth it. December 22, 2011 at 3:06am Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez Paul McCrea: i am diagnosed with anorexia nervosa. nothing has worked, i took all the prescribed meds and i didn't gain weight. a doctor suggested i try marijuana and see if i gain an appetite. so i smoked a bowl or two, and suddenly i was hungry. when i was on pot i was at a healthy weight. i was calm, lucid,
and no longer bi-polar. i was eating, and relatively happy. but i had to stop because it almost landed me in jail. now i have to apply for a green-card but still might go to jail. December 22, 2011 at 3:10am Unlike 2
Crystal Davison DeCoursey First Wes, I think at first glance your debating skills are a notch above that of Jared's. Whoever Scott is, he could take a lesson from you too. His rather "mature" tactic of foul name calling is a detractor....no class. And like Paul said, The Heritage Foundation is a vetted organization. Like their policy or not, they're commentary is based on solid research. Had you opened the link, of which yes, I did copy and paste from and never hid that fact, you'd have seen multiple other links that lead to the data. And that data is the very same data which defeated the movement to legalize marijuana in CA in 2010. Your rebuttle Wes, is all anecdotal if not dubious. You're well spoken. Seemingly educated. That may play well among your followers. But just because you can weave a crafty response with big words and fancy literary prose doesn't amount to a hill of beans insofar as proving your point beyond that. Your view is still just your opinion. You work at Northlight Studio as a "School and Events Manager", while you tout credibility with physics and engineering? Your accomplishments don't quite merit your condescending tone, and provide evidence, at least anecdotally, that people in your movement who partake of the substance you so adore, have an inflated, even dillusional sense of self. I'm sure you've spent loads of time ingesting the skewed information you perceive to be credible provided in the 'legalize' movement to arm yourself to the gills with ammunition to support your opinion. But it all still boils down to the fact that you exist in a world of subversive nonconformists who've chosen to justify your actions with very loosely defined data. To the young lady who has been diagnosed with an eating disorder. Your argument too is a paper tiger meant to guilt people in to the legalize movement. If you've been medically diagnosed then you should be aware of the number of FDA approved appetite stimulants like Megace and Marinol, among others, which derive their effects from THC and prevent the patient from either having to subvert the law or obtain a green card for medical marijuana. Either way, again, given the profile of the advocates for your policy Wes, Jared, Scott and Jessica, I think it's safe to say that there's little fear of legalization in the near future. December 22, 2011 at 4:18am via mobile Like 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez thanks, now i can't eat again. December 22, 2011 at 4:24am Unlike 1
Chad Buchanan I like frogs December 22, 2011 at 5:34am Like
Joellyn Richards-Martel igorance must be nice just take a look at how many people die each year by fda approved medication then take a look at how many people die from mmj a year conservative people think it's all about being a stoner not even close it's about giving yourself a chance at a better life without the risk of death or being a zombie please learn more about what you are arguing about i think if you look with your mind open you might be surprised marinol and the other fda approved meds are synthetic thc not from the actual plant come on open your eyes read what you wrote telling people to stop using a medication that is keeping them alive is like telling a cancer paitent to stop chemo just because you think you know better if you ask me that is pure ingorance December 22, 2011 at 6:00am Unlike 2
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez plus, she knows nothing about me other than what i put. she doesn't know my living situation, my mental status, or even take on pills. i was just pointing out something to paul because he asked for a side that didn't involve alcohol. December 22, 2011 at 6:10am Unlike 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel you are so correct jessica i totally understand where you are coming from and as for paul i blocked him about 3-4 months ago i found he just wants to be rude and argue about whatever he wants i have never been a drinker and can count on 1 hand how many times in my 40 yrs i've been to a bar i was clean of all substances for 13 yrs and found out i had cancer 2 yrs ago i died 4x that year partly because of prescribed meds then i tried mmj and came off those meds and became a real mother and wife i'm not saying i am out of pain but i'm at least 'alive December 22, 2011 at 6:29am Unlike 2
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez exactly. if it works for us, why can't we get it regularly? December 22, 2011 at 6:51am Unlike 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel yep yep i am now a hurtin unit though i found out last fri that i am 3 months pregnant and so had to stop smokin because of the baby ugh December 22, 2011 at 7:14am Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez understandable December 22, 2011 at 7:18am Unlike 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Neither them nor their patients have been raided by state or federal law enforcement. True Jessica, I don't know you, but I have seen what you and the leaders of your movement are using for flimsy arguments regarding legalization. Leaders l...See More December 22, 2011 at 8:29am via mobile Like 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Re my above post which somehow I inadvertently cut in half. WA st law allows approved medical providers to prescribe mmj for an approved list of medical conditions as determined by a state appointed team of legislators and medical professio...See More December 22, 2011 at 8:39am via mobile Like 2
Scott Couch "But just because you can weave a crafty response with big words and fancy literary prose doesn't amount to a hill of beans insofar as proving your point beyond that." Crystal, this entire quote could also be easily applied to your opintion on this. You've done nothing but regugitate some very questionable facts that amount to nothing but hopeful conjecture and a lot of scare mongering. December 22, 2011 at 8:51am Unlike 1
Scott Couch "But it all still boils down to the fact that you exist in a world of subversive nonconformists who've chosen to justify your actions with very loosely defined data." Pot...kettle...black..... December 22, 2011 at 8:52am Unlike 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez the second half of her latest post made sense though. December 22, 2011 at 8:55am Unlike 2
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Scott, glad to see you've picked yourself up out of the sandbox, but how am I a subversive non-conformist? December 22, 2011 at 8:58am via mobile Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey The data against legalization isn't loosely defined. The people in your movement Scott seem to think that if you kick and scream and insult loud enough people will believe your numbers more. There is Rick solid evidence vetted over the years to show that long term use of marijuana does cause damage. Medicinal use is a case of the benignity to the patient outweighing the risks to their health. December 22, 2011 at 9:00am via mobile Like 1
Scott Couch Easy to comprehend Crystal, it depends on where you're standing. I see you and you're opinion on this as non-comformist becuase your logic is a carbon copy of anyone who's argued the prohibition of any substance found illigal or immoral by any group. December 22, 2011 at 9:01am Unlike 1
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Ugh....auto correct....allow me to clarify... "rock solid" not Rick solid and "benefit to the patient" not benignity. December 22, 2011 at 9:02am via mobile Like
Scott Couch whew, I thought for a moment Rick Astley was going to pop up in your post. December 22, 2011 at 9:04am Unlike 2
Wes Richardson @Crystal Davison DeCoursey I am not a leader in the legalization movement don't be ridiculous. Anecdotal? I provided links to back most of my claims, I can find more if you'd like. If you look at my profile my job as an engineer is listed,...See More December 22, 2011 at 9:06am Unlike 3
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Then I stand corrected re your job and my hat's off to your work ethic. I don't think people in your movement are saggy-pants stoners, but those seem to be the only folks in TC right now holding out petitions for legalization. A little prof...See More December 22, 2011 at 9:14am via mobile Like 1
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez i think this is the first debate on here that's actually been relatively mature. December 22, 2011 at 9:18am Unlike 3
Scott Couch Agreed Jessica. A welcome change. December 22, 2011 at 9:30am Unlike 2
Chad Buchanan I thought the anti cop and horse rape threads went well December 22, 2011 at 9:42am Like
Scott Couch Crystal, nowhere did I call anyone a foul name, I simply called out the souce of your data as very questionable and the sources behind it are well known to have political agenda and large corporate pockets behind it. I am not kicking and s...See More December 22, 2011 at 9:43am Unlike 1
Wes Richardson It's not so much a loop as it is one side manufacturing false findings. Stoners aren't funding these university studies, they don't pay the scientists...marijuana is finally being explored in an objective light, and the findings are earth-s...See More
Marijuana cures cancer US government has known since 1974 patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com
Recent findings January 2010 Marijuana Components Fight Brain Cancer From ...See More December 22, 2011 at 9:47am Unlike 2
Chad Buchanan The medical use will be federal law soon enough. December 22, 2011 at 9:48am Like
Chad Buchanan Pot makes your pants saggy! December 22, 2011 at 9:49am Unlike 1
Jared Allaway I think Wes is just fresh, I try to convince people all day every day. The fact that you don't find the evidence I've provided compelling floors me. December 22, 2011 at 9:50am Like
Crystal Davison DeCoursey Point taken Scott, but you did use a pretty foul term, unless autocorrect did you in. My earlier remarks also point to revenue stream issues, so we're in agreement there. My only intent is to provide a thoughtful alternative argument here. ...See More December 22, 2011 at 9:53am via mobile Like
Jared Allaway You did say Koch sucker, but yeah, basically a corporate shill. December 22, 2011 at 9:55am Like
Scott Couch I'll apologize to anyone with my "Koch sucker" comment. Its fuled by a well established progressive inside joke you hear a lot in the media in Seattle. Growing up in the TC I can understad that might have made no sense at all. Sincere apologies and Happy Holidays to everyone. December 22, 2011 at 9:59am Unlike 2
Jared Allaway Doesn't Koch make a lot of money off of petroleum based fuels? December 22, 2011 at 10:00am Like
Scott Couch Yes Jared, they do, among many other investments. I'm not going to open that can of worms here though. That argument is better left for another day, and quite frankly, I have to go Christmas shopping now :) December 22, 2011 at 10:04am Unlike 3
Paul McCrea Wes -"I don't believe you are on the fence. It looks like you're just playing devil's advocate. Your tone gives it away. By the way, what constitutes a "REAL adult"? You mean like the police chiefs, politicians, doctors, and scientists that...See More December 22, 2011 at 11:17am Like
Paul McCrea Jessica, thanks for your comment to me. I appreciate hearing both sides of this. I have tried just about everything they have come up with and they are stumped on what to do next. Everything we try that they "think" is going to work hasn't...See More December 22, 2011 at 11:30am Like 2
Jared Allaway I would recommend using safe herbs for pain management first. If that doesn't work, move on to dangerous pills like oxycontin and vicadin. December 22, 2011 at 11:31am Like 1
Paul McCrea We've already tried those pills with only temporary results. And not complete pain removal. MT, PT, this med, that med, experimental meds that aren't even for this that supposedly block the nerve receptors, you name it. I'm running out of options. December 22, 2011 at 11:35am Unlike 1
Jared Allaway that sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. December 22, 2011 at 12:17pm Like
Jared Allaway studies have shown that using pain meds in conjunction with cannabis allows the pain sufferer to manage with less pills because they have somewhat of a synergistic effect. That is what Sunil Kumar Agarwal from the University of Washington has been working on recently any way. December 22, 2011 at 12:18pm Like 2
Paul McCrea Thank you. That's why I'm trying to see both sides of this subject. I KNOW the side I grew up with but I don't think anyone can make an informed decision unless they can honestly see both sides. December 22, 2011 at 12:20pm Unlike 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel
wow guys thanks guys i will admit i've read alot of studies and i belive i'm pretty knowlegable about alot of what we are talking about but ya'll taught me a few things thank you also jared i will hook up with you friend in sd i moved here ...See More December 22, 2011 at 12:26pm Unlike 2
Scott Couch Just stay away from Methadone. Scary scary drug. December 22, 2011 at 7:01pm Like 1
Joellyn Richards-Martel well methadone is very bad but i was on 300mg of morphine 3x a day 8mg dilaud as a chaser and 3 fentenyl patches every 72 hours needless to say this is one of the reasons i died 4 x that year the cancer wasn't helping either December 22, 2011 at 7:04pm Like
Paul McCrea Never tried that one. I'll take your advice on that though. December 22, 2011 at 7:39pm Like
Ada Mae As someone who has been in the depth of the disease of Addiction and have risen up thru the muck into a recovery filled life- I wholley oppose the leagalization. It was a gateway drug for me and many. December 22, 2011 at 9:00pm Like 3
Scott Couch Actually Paul, it is just your opinion. December 22, 2011 at 9:41pm via mobile Like
Paul McCrea What is just my opinion? December 22, 2011 at 9:44pm Like
Chad Buchanan Maybe people should learn self control and personal responsibly December 22, 2011 at 9:48pm Like 1
Paul McCrea Chad, they need to get back to that on many subjects, not just this one. December 22, 2011 at 9:55pm Like 1
Chad Buchanan True dat. If you want to be all growd up act like it December 22, 2011 at 10:34pm Like
Jessica Butcher-Velasquez the way i see it, if you don't like it, don't do it. if you do like it, okay. just be safe. merry christmas and happy holidays December 23, 2011 at 12:35am Like 2
Joellyn Richards-Martel alright i am also in recovery 16yrs however 3yrs ago i found out i had cancer and found out my legs are dying and will lose them i was put on an insane amout of pain managemnt meds i died as a direct cause of the meds i was put on and takin...See More December 23, 2011 at 10:52am Like 3
Chad Buchanan Sorry to hear that. I've got Neuropathy, that kind of pain sucks. I hope you find something that works for you. December 23, 2011 at 10:56am Like 1
Wes Richardson Ooooh I had a friend with neuropathy, had to wear silk shirts or it felt like he was rolling in bark chips with a sunburn. It went away randomly one day after years of dealing with it, hope yours does the same. December 23, 2011 at 11:02am Like
Joellyn Richards-Martel yep yep right now i can't take anything and was up all night crying in pain but cause i am in an illegal state i cant use mmj or i will have the cps on my case so lets get it legal people i really hate pain pills and to honest i am scared of dying on them soooo i guess that's where i'm at and this is why i am such a big promoter of mmj only because i personally know the benifits December 23, 2011 at 11:06am Unlike 1
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet if you have neuropathy you should really do some research on RSD/CRPS December 23, 2011 at 2:14pm Like
Joellyn Richards-Martel hey thanks james i will look it up December 23, 2011 at 3:11pm Like
James Wheeler Walters-Goulet My mom was diagnosed with RSD when I was a small child, and has progressively gotten worse. Please look into it. http://www.facebook.com/pages/RSDCRPS-Research-andDevelopements/172242468621

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