John Chang, Mopai Neigong Level 2 Test, and Yin Yang Fusion

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Fep Layden 2 months ago

If a person begins to practice, is it ok to mix practice or do they need to pick only one? Will
different types cause issues or is it ok to do more than one at a time?
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Nathan Brine 2 months ago
It really depends on the practice, and what you are doing. Some
you can mix, some best not too. Unfortunately there is not a clear
answer.
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Fep Layden 2 months ago

@Nathan Brine Thank you.
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User890390 2 months ago

Uhh supposedly John Chang himself said mixing micro cosmic
orbit and mao pai was a terrible idea...after I realized this I
ceased to do MCO. Any tips on backtracking and making sure
my precious MCO doesn't detract from current mao pai chargi…
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R H 2 months ago (edited)

@User890390 well I dont know what idiot told you that but. You
can and should do MCO orbit as well thats a part of mo pai and
then there is the dantien microcosmic orbit thats also a part of mo
pai. Most of the mo pai thats out on the net is incomplete. Mo …
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@R H john chang himself said that How is MCO apart of mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXtbm1VJE0 1/15
@R H john chang himself said that. How is MCO apart of mo
pai? Are you saying after you fuse the yin and yang its ok to do
mco? I could see that but before I think it will just detract from
time it takes to fill dan tien, compact, and the eventual hopeful …
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@User890390 you gota remember there is a language barrier
between John and his students. He was most likly saying that
microcosmic orbit is not the main practice since its not realy used
to fill the dantien. Its still something you do for inner strength …
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My Name is Prince 2 months ago

@R H Interesting stuff. From what you're saying, I'm starting to
wonder if there are some similarities in some of the Mo Pai
practices and my teacher's family martial art.
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@My Name is Prince ha lol yes very true. Maoshan sect is Mo
Pai in the beginning nei gong. I actually did a video explaining
filling compacting and devloping fetal respiration as well.privet
youtube video dont want some dusch watching it and then selli…
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@R H I basically see what you mean. Actually when a student
told me that my first thought was I bet its fine to do MCO with
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mo pai because MCO is pretty naturally occurring after you do
energy practice enough. I also assumed/felt each energy center…
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@R H also if I happened to encounter a black djinn (no im not
bullshitting, ripped, ancient looking, arms folded, chest puffed
out, deep ass gaze) in a dream within a dream after doing MCO
one night who had me eat blue energy filled quartz crystals in …
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 MCO and Macrocosmic orbit both are done in mo
pai there just not the core practices and no thats not drumming
and beating the qi. Thats a term used to describe the combination
of yi and movement of qi from bai hua to dantien and hui yin t…
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 not exactly sure my jinn experience was much
different. Dreams like that usely mean your makeing progress.
Noting wrong with that. But you don't want to fixate on dreams
like that nor do you want to go looking for jinn they will try an…
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@R H oh I see drumming and beating internally aka nei kung
Hmm interesting ill look it up but I am still just focused on
eventually compacting qi after charging it enough. I hVe been
charging it for a while but just not super consistently yet.
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@User890390 in mo pai you have to develop dantiwn before
compacting you have to open the extraordinary channels as well .
I dont know who your getting you info from. Mo pai is very
direct .
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@R H I know that's why I said I'm still going to focus on
charging aka developing the dan tien before I move onto
compacting...I said that multiple times.. From a Facebook group,
John chang or someone who typed for him posted a few times.…
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@R H and no way in hell was I hoping to encounter a djinn that
one night I did, in fact I had no idea what it was until after a long
time of research I realized it fit all the descriptions of a djinn.
Even saw depections of them with their arms folded and chest …
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 du mai, ren mai, kidney liver. You want to be able
to move qi with complete respiration through all channels but
your mostly focusing on legs arms channels ext. You just want to
move and circulate. Its called correcting meridians.
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@R H so a good practice would be concentrate on dan tien for
charging/developing then circulating (moving qi) through those
areas/channels you mentioned? Does mco naturally circulate

through these channels for you or just the middle one?
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 microcosmic orbit is circulating qi through all
other channels besides du and ren. Du and ren is microcosmic
orbit. Your breathing up the spine and down the ren mi as if your
riding a wave circulating it with deep rhythmic breathing. …
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@R H ok I see. Yeah I can feel the ball circulation around spine
up over head back down under anus continually but I did think
"micro" implied it was only moving through middle channel and
macro cosmic is when you are flowing through all channels bu…
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 your not just concentrating on dantien your
literary pulling something in to the dantien the dantien
concentration is just one part .
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@R H but the pulling will happen naturally as you concentrate
(and of course have no thought and breathe slowly, I personally
like 8ish seconds in hold 8 seconds out 8 seconds but I've heard
30 seconds in 30 out is standard for mo pai), correct? I mean …
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@R H honestly I know for a fact you do not want to visualize the
@R H honestly I know for a fact you do not want to visualize the
pulling since qi follows intention. Mental movement of qi i'm
sure is useful at higher levels but theres no reason whatsoever to
attempt to mentally move qi at lower levels. That's wasteful an…
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 i dont know where your getting your information
from but its not accurate. You really want to stay away from mo
pai groups and forms there full of nonsense and missing
information.
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@R H please attempt to correct rather than just blanket "your
info is wrong"....how is that helpful at all lmfao
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@R H john changs account posted in the group, that account
gave first news of his passing. I'm not saying everything
everyone posts is accurate but you're going to have to attempt to
correct me on what im wrong about and what is the correct …
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@R H ok perfect. So the pulling down from your head, are you
suggesting to guide the movement rather than not interact with it
once you begin to notice?
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 almost as if your pulling it into the head and
swolloing it down to the dantien. Everything that I mentioned

above should be able to be done by the time you start
compacting. As well as fetal respiration which i guarantee no o…
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User890390 2 months ago (edited)

@R H ok I see. So there is a clear distinction in feeling the build
up in the head then a transition to downward in the dan tien. I
guess the dan tien is always mentioned but the initial build up in
the head is not stressed. I can feel how the movement could be…
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 and I did correct ive been correcting you for the
past 10 or so messages. Your just not used to the information
because once again its not on some mo pai form where people
are trying to fill in blanks. The martial arts community is a very
strange community the inner kung fu community is even worse.
Its like the chinese tai chi guy who gets beat by a boxer then
wants to make up every excuse because he doesn't want to admit
he spent all this time training wrong. Western mo pai people are
very similar. And once again mo pai level 1-4 is a very
straightforward and common practice. This is one of the reasons
why guys like this in the video want to remain anonymous and
why koastas more then likely doesn't want to get involved in
teaching openly.
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@R H I don't mind being corrected but I guess i was hoping for
more corrections rather than just the head emphasis which is
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rather than just the head emphasis, which is
great but not exactly a revelation of difference between what I
hVe been doing. Is fetal respiration reverse breathing or …
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@User890390 fetal respiration is completely different. It turns
on when there is enough qi in the dantien it happens when it
happens cant put a time on it. When there is enough qi in the
dantien you devlop a abilty to move the muscle structure
surrounding that area. And just like you where in the womb you
will be able to start sucking in yuen qi through the umbilicas. It
makes a loud suction sound. Reverse breathing helps build qi in
the dantien as well as help the compacting process it will also
build heat. And to answer your question as to when you should
do it. Well when should you do a pull up when should you do
push up. Same answer . I build qi in the dantien for a bit then I do
some reverse breathing then some hui yin lifts and back and forth
then some lower dantien only complete concentration. You can
try using the yi in time to start pushing in on both sides and up
and down lightly which would be considered lvl 2 seated
compacting. You dont want to do standing hard compacting until
you have the signs of the dantien being full. John taught with
tequniqes and principles tequniqes can be shown principles need
to be internalized from a complete unrestricted understanding of
the tequniqes. Theoretically if you understand the principles you
could figure out the tequniqes i have that ability guess i just got
lucky in that department but most need to show tequniqes and I
needed to learn some tequniqes as well before I could completely

understand the principles.
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@R H ok really nice info. Far away the practice is simple, but
closer inspection it is much more detailed. Yeah I would like to
master principals so I can continue to figure out natural
techniques, but I guess that will continually come in time after …
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@User890390 yep thats exactly how it works even if John taught
you thats all he can realy do. So right now from what I see is you
just learning to focus on the dantien next is development of the
traction or channels down from the head ect. Figuring all that o…
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 took me about 10 years to realy put it together
then another 2 or 3 to realy get things working.
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R H 2 months ago
@User890390 Maoshan sect which is a thunder magick sect uses
the same tequniqes as mo pai. And its now available thanks to
one if my teachers Jason Reed who is a great translator. He has a
book comeing out called thunder magick. Here's the link. Mo p…
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@My Name is Prince your better off looking into maoshan its the
exact same stuff Mo pai does. And its open now thanks to Jason
Reed he's a great translator as well. Mo pai is all in this book. I
think long men pai may have a better method of makeing a force
ghost or more complete easier way to understand but I cant be
sure cuz I have yet to learn maoshans method. The Tibetan
method has alot more to do with the bon religion of invoking
gods. There body dissappears like in the movies but in taoism
from what I here it doesn't rot. Anyway heres the link
https://mandrake.uk.net/thunder/
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otterpupp 2 months ago (edited)

@R H I learned a kind of Wim Hof breathing from Robert Peng,
he calls it Xi Breathing. Basically a few minutes of faster circular
breathing, and then a long breath hold on the exhale. Similar
technique exists in Indian Yoga too.
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My Name is Prince 1 month ago

@R H thanks for the helpful responses. I see that some of the
Maoshan teachers are in Malaysia?
I am interested in seeing if there's any overlap with my Sifu's
martial arts. He's Chinese Malaysian.
Small world, but my wife's father is too 😂
It would be funny if I unknowingly married into some lineage
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R H 1 month ago (edited)

@My Name is Prince you probably are . Moashan is well know
and there seems to be a big overlap with Maly occultism.
However I want to be very clear Maoshan is not a martial art the
do the same "mopai" cultivation tequniqes of yin and yang in t…

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R H 1 month ago
@My Name is Prince i made a video a private video of very
detailed video of the psycho energetic dynamics that are done in
"mo pai" I can send it to you if you'd like. I dont want to post it
publicly here though.
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My Name is Prince 1 month ago

@R H That would be awesome! My email is
urbanacolytetraining at gmail.
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Leslee Burns 1 month ago

@R H I have been meditating almost 7 years now sitting on the
ground, sitting in full lotus, hands in lap right over left thumbs
touching, tongue to roof of mouth after a while got heat, then
got vibrations, vibrations got stronger to point that could see …
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Leslee Burns 1 month ago

@R H if it would be possible, I would like to see this video
please
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R H 1 month ago (edited)

@Leslee Burns well the whole perfect hand position and posture
is not realy as important as you think. Maby start pulling up on
hui yin and pulling qi down from bai hu and pushing down on
dantien simotaienisouly Then start to roll the dantien You
dantien simotaienisouly. Then start to roll the dantien. You
should start to devlop a magnetic pushing pulling sensation.
From there you probly need to go to compacting. This stuff isn't
linear so you may get heat for some time then you may not. But
if your getting all that you want to start seated compacting and
then doing reps of standing compacting and then going to the
standard practice of deep meditation and "drumming and beating
the qi". You'll be doing that for a long time. If you practice a year
straight your only gonna make breakthroughs every so often.
Your thinking ok this stuff way to liner man Jim was just giving a
example its not this happens then this then this and the you get
this. Alot of times your getting different things at different times.
You'll get vibration and heat then no vibrational heat then heat
then magnetic pulling eventually thats a sign of integration
between dantien and hui yin. Just because Jim and kostas knew
John dont mean there the best at teaching a system. Hell I could
go study boxing with Floyd Mayweather dont mean iam the best
boxing coach or a great boxer. I was having out of body
experiences before vibration and heat also had the dantien start
movieing on its own in rem sleep all before heat and vibration
and before magnetic pushing pulling sensation. So its a science

yes but its not a exact science. It follows similar experiences and
sensations. If I where you id ask myself what your getting out of
training and why you want to keep training. If its to be force
ghost or take your yang with you at death well there's more to
that then just fusion of yin and yang. Alot of the information that
johns western students have seems incomplete and thats probably
due to a language barrier or simply he taught them what he could
and what came to mind at the time . Also I dont belive this guy in
the video can do that with out John being there. So thats another
hi h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXtbm1VJE0 hi k b 12/15
thing you have to think about.

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R H 1 month ago
@My Name is Prince just seeing this now ill send a link
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Sr. Moreira 1 month ago

@R H if you can send it to me my email is: moreirafilho@
gmail.com
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sammy tong 2 weeks ago

@R H Hey! mind to share with me as well? Email is
hgesourcing@gmail.com I've been practising mo pai level 1.
Btw, do you think it's safe if i practice other qigong forms such as
YiJinJing together with Mo Pai?
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R H 2 weeks ago
@sammy tong I think you can find it on neidan library its like his
webpage of sorts.
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sammy tong 2 weeks ago

@R H There's a lot of books over there, but i don't see any video,
and i thought it's your private video as you said.
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R H 2 weeks ago (edited)

@sammy tong I emailed you the video its a privet video I only
give out upon request only on certin forums.
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Gohed Braun 10 hours ago

@R H Hello R H, thank you for taking the time to provide
detailed answers, taking serious heed of your advice. I would
really appreciate the private video emailed here gohedbraun@
gmail.com
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R H 5 hours ago
@Gohed Braun ill send it over. There the preliminary exercises to realy activate for lacknof a better
word the dantien ming men bai hui huu yin. And I show the level standing condensing. I highly
recommend you read Jeff mcduffie manual on his site neidanlibrary.com because it shows everything
thats being done during seated practice. And this guy Nathan who made this video as anoying as I
find mo pai videos to be id had a look on his website and alot of what he's teaching sounds very
similar to what I leearnd on how to construct the ling tai. Which is merged with the dantien eventually
at death. Or it just gives you the abilry to not be come disorentated idk iam not dead yet. So if you
combine whats in my video with Jeff PDF and maby take Nathans course you'll realy have most the
system besides the stuff that you have to just figuwr out on your own due to the fact its like starting to
devlop a new muscle. A lot of this stuff is secret because its hard to explain. As far as Kostas saying
John didn't want to create monaters.lol well good luck getting anyone to practice that long have the
talent and dedication and then we'll if they became a monster power to em they actually dedicated
that much time and commitment. Not saying thats the way to go. But its more along the lines of dont
through "Pearl's before swine" reason on why. Iam not allowed to openly teach or even privately
teach what Nathan has on his site but it seems mostly like inner vision exercises where your
cultivating aspects of yourself worthy of being a immortal then thats merged with the subtel nervous
system and dantien ect then you got a force ghost hopefully not a SJW force ghost like in Disney star
wars but more of a Lucasfilm version of a force ghost. Which is exactly where the idea comes from its
called a jade body or yu ren.
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Fep Layden 2 months ago

different types cause issues or is it ok to do more than one at a time?

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areas/channels you mentioned? Does mco naturally circulate

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swolloing it down to the dantien. Everything that I mentioned

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needed to learn some tequniqes as well before I could completely

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My Name is Prince 1 month ago

R H 1 month ago (edited)

do the same "mopai" cultivation tequniqes of yin and yang in t…

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Leslee Burns 1 month ago

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R H 1 month ago (edited)

and before magnetic pushing pulling sensation. So its a science

thing you have to think about.

Sr. Moreira 1 month ago

sammy tong 2 weeks ago

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Gohed Braun 10 hours ago

called a jade body or yu ren.

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