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any ."bF li _&#39;!"»
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1_" The Ourpose 0!" this interview I55 an
attev--atto verify Str92t1&#39;r:0ntS
nodel>y 0n 26 June1947,
~. to vrricms notional news services to the ef&#39;|"ect.
that he,
had s"et1
9objects f"l}rin_g in the nir above the "ascede Hountain Range
ofWe
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1&#39;hc
soobjects were subsequentlyreferred toasflying 4
&#39;4
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saucers or flying disks and will here-in af5er be referred to as such
§
1 I; in this report. $+.sted th t he hadI-:no1-in rm-
7»-2&#39; quite n period of ti--we, hm/in{&#39;had r &#39;1ntin&#39;n&#39;:
with on various
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occnsinrs, due to the fact that both he and
1.~. were or vste Fliers and frequently got together to talk shop-
.1" stetnd that as fer rr. he was r -on:-horned
anyt 1inr_ said could be - .
tr&#39;.1"&#39;*n
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seriously nnd that 11&#39;! scizuall believed that Hr.
1. Arnold hvd seem the rforerertloned llring dlsks. stated that
after _.-@;~.=r+.¢d Eevini seen the flying: dfsks, that the editor
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1received __
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the _8tstosr:en
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an assignmentwas
which
in Idaho
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1-I &#39; Conduct
en serialssaroh of the northweststates inan effortxhou
o. ._eee and photograph aflying disc. Conduct this petrolfor solongatii é"-if-i.&#39;.
V .as you believe
reasonable. or
until
you seeaflying din. T ~*1-3-i-7,f_ ;&#39;
T _In eeoordenoe these
to instructions,I toot the Statesnen&#39;s
airplane, i,~7_.;-_&#3
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&#39; and
withqes passenger, flee a and
seven one-half nission
hour -1-1
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This saissionwas withoutresult. It-&#39;:=-L&#39;:-"
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betwcon andaround Ett. Rainier and Sit. Adams,uher , &#39;-__;,
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first reported seeing objectshenceforth described
saucers or discs. &#39;
as -: _;
92 -On the eighth
day orJuly, ion, 1tool: an at-sof thenoun Fighter
f_&#39;§2f
* squadron, Idaho
lletioncl Guard,
oi ihich1an amember,
and flew
to nortiiern
l . Idaho, into northwestern laontans
briefly, to Spokane, iashington,and -&#39;27;- -3
to Boiseby trey
of FallsFalls, Tashington,
and Pendleton,
0|-egon_._ Unis
search alsono negative. &#39; a_ ~n A.~ &#39;-" ".&#39;_;
On theninth dayof July, 1947, I continued thesearch, ags-in
usinga1;;£{_-;"_ 1 -_
national guard
Al -6, thistime centering
=g&#39; efforts
ovei-&#39;themountains
0:-yhee
rest and southwest of Boise, aportion of the llountain Bone desert on atrack _,,f&#39;
southeast of the ountain lions army sir base, thence into the Saartoothnoun- ,;,.,
- teins, and heck in the generaldirection of Ioiec onaline carrying; no
well 17."-_
to the north of the 5hafer hutte forest service lookout station, into the .0_ -
Tsorseshos Bendarea, and thence heckin ssouthwesterly direction to I. point "_&#39;,_""&
between Boiseand the village of iieridisn, rest of Boise afer Iilese ,o,.»-a--. .~:&#39;.._<
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and one-half ;..;_-_,..;...-.&#39
hours, I lee underand around
rapidly forming
cumulus clouds
over that &#39;0-_" _ ;_
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area knownas the Canes Prairie,east of Boise. fhe clouds werenear the :5 -&#39;»- &#
.yillage of ?airfield in that valley, and F- airfield is 76 exilesairline ;,;f._,_&#39;;
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and Earidian,I one -&#39;--:~: .- -f;
flying at an altitude of 14,000 feet meansea level, Ihioh would he amean --&#39;n
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average 11,000 feetabove theearth in this ares, not consideringerrors fr--&#39;-_&
in
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aninute when there
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my
camera
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the
map
case,
and
exposed
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object, d back the plexiglass covering to avoid uni; If,
of
soeo Jo duration eight millimeter motion picture film. Duringéiie
the imc the camera was at eye level, I could not sec the object be-r§-
of
cause of
ninuteneas scope introduced by the optical vice findcrggie
7&#39; 0 with which the camera, an f.l.9 Eastman, was eouipped.&#39;*~;ié5£~2 Z??1§*
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Taking the camera eeay and once again centering up gaze on th_
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object, observed it to roll so that its edge ca: presented to =e.;;;
et thie tine it fleshed eeee ie the senlights LtI then eppeered es e
thin black line. It then performed u maneuver uoich looked if
as it.-
had begun e sloh roll, or s barrel roll, chich instead
of being con-,
a pleted, off
was broken at about the 160-degree point. The object "1 _
I,
of
rolled out of
the top the maneuver
at this-point, andI lost sight?
of it
P _ &#39;
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wasotaerved
againstthebackground
of-;
cloud 2 3-rev! 0|-sly Iorminz over the beans Prairie. The dejoctiappeored -
to_ce, relatively, es the size of
n twenty-five cert piece._-i do not
knee hoe for sec; it vac. .1 do not tne:, nor can I trvthfullg estizgte
if
its speed. I can only so: it ea: not an airplane, and it nos st.a
very great distance from me, its speed use great, taking into consider-
ation that apparent if
speed is reduced to thc&#39;viencr an object is 1 _.
1 &#39;
very great distance sway. &#39;~ &#39;
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r I forget to lock ct
the object. The CA5 : lo;
teen zcde o&#39; l mr clock to deternine tte enact tire I can
to&#39;bcve
I first so-&#39; of radio contacts shoe: an first "
eestect
; ii S bctgtini t 12: 7 hours.
tf-etinece:::.:unicator__,..|e3 Eu: a fez second: elapsed betneen
. the object, endre:..e
the ber
time it.
I called the&#39;3at&#39;s-stati
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toner ::a;,&#
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lgre1ete§_evcr Eof 33E?IpEi0a
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s recording the I
conversation. have not checked to uctcresne.
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the PU PP 98 3 of my relating over the air that I so: was to Enable
.> rapid treneviszion of the report for
to the neeepapcr, ot_thet time I
was on aesignnent 4:
c nd energies thcnceforth were devoted to ll trans-
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zltting the ieforxetion snd ! conducting a further search, ¬hich.I _
L, did after f er fuel and to note seae telephone calls.
landing &#39;-,;i
fY"=
0- The rob, begun within half an hour after landing from the
next sea
first one, consumed another too hours, tut nos negative. -1-explored
thprou;hl3 the rcgi on chore A1-1-
I can the object. . -~
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aircraft 2,000
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gleek object maneuvering in front the sane cloud forestion, which t:
nor had grown so that the clouds reached a protablc of
height 19 CO0 or
20,000feet froms can base
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to photograph it.In all frankness, Iwas tired. I may have been - .-
1." sufrering, although slightly, from cant of oxygen. - _ _. _&#39;11, ;T&#39;;,;j_ _f
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success the .-
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.- - beginning to more after it watched
is asuilficicnt length oi tine. I
.knee s.-hat tricks the was will play as to moving-bodies, and hat : le arnei
v- . o.f- this particularly during night formation flying. -~,-_-._¢_-;_
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fashion as it did at first} for the full length oi time Iobserved -1t,
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_ _not aballoon, and not acorpuscle moving acres: the retina oi either
-1 eye. &#39;i&#39;h_edescribed
maneuvertythe object than its edge was presented
tto nae convinces me that I can an object actually performing in an; &#39;"
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picture Iilzp,develencd processed
and San rancisco,
laboratories it241 hatter} Street,
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trace oi .
any object. says that it it ass more than a mile distant tron use
"I at theonbite
92 -iently
described,
the tila to
object
the would not have
he shown. lie said it probably
registered
Ias too tar away
suffic
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*f-~- --enlargement in that case is limited because or the size of the fill! 7
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set at infinity, at a speed of l_6 frames par
second.
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Iimswiin the air shun Isaa thatpartial slou roll or.harre_lroll, "_
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Airport,
Boise, Idaho.
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1- far 10 Jul; 1947, aclzoch was rn-Io at the fO].10&#39;.&#39;Jin[_; locations
in Palv Sprin;":92, Califonmiafor the ;>1u&#39;puse
tryingoito locate.
Pa1m Springs Police iwaportment,
Palm Springs
Newspaper,
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A ho Desorl:
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Palm
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nml the City .&#39;!.&#39;£
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1941, r Springs,
Palm
Co1ii ornir1 for the past 14 3&#39;enr&#39;:=
rm-.s i1.£;orv1o-.1-od.
stated that
ho had
lived Palm
in S;~ri1-.g_s
for the
if aporson 11zn.ior1~hac1 ever
past years
2-1 that andwashe unaware
lived in Palm Springs.
L
astntod -he
timt to the iaot tint
Paltj Springs isa resort ares and
dwc to the foot; that the
in s1:_|un.er nothe only 3to 5 thousand people resided

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in Palm L>p1"io;&#39;r -, who:-cos
in tho 92-:5;-.t-or months
10 to 12 thousand resided in
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very possible ti:--_t_oou1d have lived in
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or loss on 21 nozx-;~~:~r~:mr_o1~t
status and
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of
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t3~.ron;;h the =_&#39;e="-.o1&#39;o.1
officedelivery
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r*1" , thrc~&#39;::qh
tho Post Oifice o= roximetely two years ago.
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to be travelingraster thanan ordincry. :V
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flightoff! -80s and heestimated thealtitude betweenB-l0,000~tee
-.&#39;vand approximately 7-10miles away. qtated
objects in. the lead appearedto be round an oa light
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to
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Icy the Bureau during the past war in handling complaints arising out of the
sighting of Japanese baloons. You will recall that at the inception of these
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28, 1947; ._nt; 3
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abovemattecr, I desire
to point out that the ._7 &#39;
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Phoenix until September &#39;1
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= Oniugust 29, l94&#39;7,allr.gca1.1ed at the Phoenix &#39;1 r
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r and exhibited credentials reflecting that he is arepresentative of_A-2,
"" Fourth Air Force, Hamilton eld, California. He also exhibited orders emanatingI
from theorrioo of Colonelm A-2, Fourth AirForce, Hamilton Field,
,,.l4r
_» - California,
office, at
instructing to him
proceed
to Phoenix
immediately
which time aSpecial Agent of the Federal Bure of
contact and
Investigation no
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to "accompany
him interviewi
to disc. The orders
- reported the photographing of aflying
whofurther had previous&#3
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communicated soc mm vgith
muam.
and Mr. ICDIBALL verified the above infomation and _&#39;
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*if Phoenix assist office representative
amr called who from
A-2 the-in interroga
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stated that in connection with flying discs, he had main-
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cooperation enzieted.
. a1-le 1&#39;11:-ther advised
that many reports oi flying had
discs been rec-eiv at sen _-
Francisco and
thatafull discussion concerning
the results
of_ inquiries
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close
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. _ "" Astorm had occurred in Phoenix on the afternoon of July 7, 1947,


5000
and the clouds were at approximately feet, the color of which was grey
and they resembled dense cumulus. A fifteen hour
mile per wind was blowing.
At approximately 5 p.m. on that
date, It:-..was walking from his home
to the and a
he heard a
noise resembling P-B0 aircraft, apparently
coming in a westerly direction. Upon searching the skies he observed to the
what
northeast shaped
appeared to be an odd ship. He described this as
ship
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being possibly to 30 feet in diameter, traveling speed
at an estimated of
100
miles_per
possibly
hour.
one-half
It appeared
tothree
tobe
quarters
of
aspiral
making inasmall of 5
radius
a mile._Stated thesound
which
. ;__:- heard
he first was no longer audible; that he hurriedly procured a 120 Brownie
shop,
Box Camerafrom his and as the aircraft completed the first circle he
obtained a photograph. As the ship started on the second turn, it was in a
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a
northwesterly direction from his place and he again snapped photograph, which
15 s. more closely resembled the shape of the ship than photograph #1, this being
5-92
dated
designated as Exhibit II, as submitted to the Bureau with letter August
1,, 1947, by the Office of Assistant Chief of Staff A-2 Intelligence, Hamilton
F"-. Field, California. - further describedthe di-rection of the ship by ,
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___-_ stating that instead of completing the lefthand downward spiral the ship banked
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He stated that as it banked,
he had snapped the second photograph, Exhibit II.
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at the last mint, which was at the
estimted
it tobe
between2,000
1,000
and feet
high.
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further
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cribed the appearance of this ship as closely resembling a picture which appear
on the front cover of the May, 1947, issue of the Mechanics Illustrated Magazine,
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m-.-also related that he did not associate the appearance of


this ship with the numerous reports of flying discs. He related, however, that
. _ ,i after s three minute interview &#39;
with newspaper reporters the storv that appeared
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was"blown
up"to the extentthat he,_ barelyrecog-
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dimensions
previous
and
distances
were
only
estimated,
experience
pointing
out, hisA96
that
probably assisted him in making fairly close estimates. He
92 related that he had been doing experimental. work for the past ten. years. He
also stated he was anployed at the Naval Ordnance laboratory, Washington, D. C.
"ac II
during the early {art of World War and left there the beginning of 1942.
*1 Upon his return to Phoenix, he was employed at Falcon Field near Phoenix which
,-va
was -leased by the British Government for training purposes. He instructed in
t - instrument training, aircraft identification and gunnery practice. He explained
2" :
. that his hobbies haveIto do with science, physics, radio, electronics and astronomy.
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"He produced a
model which he had made of radio controlled airplane. He related
7. .
I .. that most of his work consists of building transformers, but it is also necessary
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theof photographing
; Inexplaining
results the
ship,
stat-edtl-at he was surprised that the object appeared dark on a light back-
that
ground; he that
ly expected a
the object would be light on dark back-
of
ground. He described the light spot which appears in the center the object
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noise
thatwas
a green
II! asbeing
to
audible
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house.
insisted
hisearand
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unable
todetect of
thepresence75
theship
made
noA
any propeller. He also related that after &#39;
the newspaper release over Radio
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Station RTAR,whereinstatementswere made he, had stated A1-my
officials were studying the photographs, and that it was a top secret, he
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attempted of
determine the source this release and the Radio station finally
told him that it was a United Press release from Washington, D. C.

The
and interrogation:
of
following
description
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-it should be stated that at the time interview with l In-.
of
identi ed himself as an agent of
the Federal Bureau Investigation and
e,x.hibited
hiscredentials.
However,
pursuant a request
to
was introduced only as a representative
from 561&#39;. he
of the United States governmen . His
exactofficial connection
wasnotmade
known
to Mr. Agent- advised
a
that he felt it was peculiar procedure, but it was not his business. However,
of
at the conclusion the interview, llr. "requested In-.-to &#39;
furnish
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him with thenegatives
and stated he be glad
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were not in his imnediate possession, and he would deliver
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tothirequest,
llr. made
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that after
no
reply.
Agent leaving Hr
requested be
that the negatives
if
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returnedto him
the negatives would be
returnedto Hr. and statedthat he doubted
verymuch
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Hr. enadvised ,
llr.~that before
he would
its
accept
thesenegatvesthat of
mustbeadvised Hr. identityand
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also advised that the negatives, ,
turned over to Mr would not be
returned to him.

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ti Axuw and that he not
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3% Dear Sirs: -

At 5:40 P.M. to-day I observed aso-called flying


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north of Lebanon, N. H. As
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bee box my attention
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appeared to be as large as a tennis ball and as wnite as


cotton batting. This object apnroacneo rapidly and noisoleasly

uav from the East an was followed closely by another object


that appeared in size and snape like a saucer which maintained

aconstant angle of inclination to tne ball and followed it

at aconstant oistance. Tue two objects mace an angle with

9292 eye
my of approximately five aegrees. Tney were in vision
my

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Ir I nad this
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togetner anawere traveling


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of the Liaison Section had contacted Lieutenant Colonel I


!~ of the Air Forces Intelligence at which time Colonel _Garxett advised that
the Army Air Forces were conducting no research or
experiwe nts in the
vicinity of Twin Falls, Idaho, on or
about August 19, 1947. Colonel
it at that time indicatedto m-. "that he wouldcheck
with the Anny.-mt
in order
to ascertain 1-fnether or
not they were conducting any experiments in
this vicinity at that time. .

&#39; Colonel
les subsequently advised 1Jr._ that he has
advised
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by Army
been that
area such
no
in the area of Twin Falls,
exgerirents
were corziucted
being
Idaho, on orabout August 19, 1947, which would
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the sun and to the left of the sun as viewed by They did
sky-
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the or 4 minutes which she pbservsd them but
of the larger of the objects appeared to rotate ra idl in th
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For the Bureau&#39;s information
a Mrs.g of Sagrbrook f
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in her front yard at 6:00 A.M. on July 26, 1947.

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It appears from investigation conduct-ed by an Agent of this


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