UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

16320 NW 2ndAvenue
North Miami Beach, Florida 33 169

File Number: MM- 109803

Task Number: 3145

Tape Number #: R27a

Audio File Name: D- 15.6.MM. 11-15-07.0602PM.wav

Date Recorded: 11/15/07

Time Recorded: 6:02 PM

Language : Spanish

Translator/Transcriber: Patricia Dau

VERBATIM TRANSLATION

Participants: AA: Alejandro Antonini

MM: Moisks Maionica

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AA: Listo, perfecto. Te habias ido. Alright, perfect. You were gone.

MM: Okey. Okay.

AA: Aja. Uh-huh.

MM: Eh, mira entonces, en cuanto a las Uh, listen, then, in reference to the amount of--
cantidades de--de dinero estuvieron de of money, they agreed on it, okay?
acuerdo, jokey?

AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

MM: Eh ... lo que si me dijeron que 10s 375.000 Uh ... What they told me is that the 375,000 of
de la parte de 10s abogados de alla- the attorneys over there-

AA: Aja. Uh-huh.

MM: -eh, te 10s cobraras cuando saliera la -uh, you'll collect it once half of the money from
devolution de la mitad del dinero abajo. down there is returned.

AA: Okey. Pero, pero, per0 ... Okay. But, but, but ...

MM: [OV] [UJ] [Ovl [UI]

AA: ...pero leiste la prensa, jno? Dice, dicen ...
yo estaba pues a punto de mand5rtel0,
dicen que, no se quC jueza va a-- se va a
quedar con el cien por ciento- ah, la
Argentina se va a quedar con el cien por
ciento del dinero.
...but did you read the newspaper, right? It says,
they say... I was ready to send it to you, they
are saying that, I don't know what female judge
is going to keep one hundred percent- uh,
Argentina is going to keep a hundred percent of
the money.

MM: Ah, bueno, eso, ya, ya lo veremos. Si se Oh, fine, that, we, we'll see about that. If she
queda habra ... eh, tendra que, que keeps it, we'll have to ... uh, we'll have to, to get
asumirlo de otra manera pues. it some other way then.

AA: Okey. Okay.

MM: Pero inicialmente ellos tienen informacion But initially they have information from down
de alla abajo que lo van a devolver there that they will return it so that ... that you
entonces que ... que te quedes con eso. keep that.
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AA: Okey, per0 parece que, ahi dice, o sea, Okay, but it seems that, it says there, I mean, it
ahi dice... y bueno, como la prensa ha says there ... and well, since the press has said
hablado tanta huevonada tambien. Si, es so much bullshit too. Yes, it's true ... I'll let you
verdad ... Te dejo hablar, pues. Disculpa. speak, then. Sorry.

MM: Okey, no, igual me lo mandas pa'yo-- Okay, no, send it anyway so that I-

AA: Si. Yes.

MM: --para yo hacer presion de eso, jno? --so I can pressure them with that, right?

AA: Jum. Hm.

MM: Este, ellos dicen que en febrero el asunto Uh, they're saying that the matter down there
abajo esta listo. will be ready in February.

AA: En febrero. In February.

MM: jokey? Okay?

AA: Aja.

MM: En febrero ... eh, aprovechando una
coyuntura que va a haber alla... eh, donde
el juez titular, sale para--para holidays y
viene otro y ahi lo resuelven, jno?
In February... uh, taking advantage of an
opportunity that will take place there ... uh,
where the presiding judge will be away for--for
the holidays and another one will come in and
they'll resolve it, right?

AA: Okey. Okay.

MM: De--despues yo tengo una reunion con Af--afterwards I'll have a meeting with someone
una persona del ... de ese altisimo of... of that high ranking authority down there,
autoridad de alla abajo aqui en Caracas here in Caracas so that-
para que-

AA: [OV] Si. [OV] Yes.

MM: -el me explique a mi y yo certifique eh, -he can explain it to me and I'll certify uh, uh,
eh, cual es la, la estrategia legal alla abajo, which is the, the legal strategy down there, right?
jno?

AA: Okey. Okay.

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MM: No ... ah, yo estoy peleando con, con ...
con PDVSA porque no quieren ahora
contratar a. .. a nuestro arnigo, eh, jc6mo
se llama?
AA: El que tu me presentaste, el abogado
este.
MM: Ah, si. A tu amigo que... al, a1 amigo que
yo te presente-
M : jPor que?
h4M: -porque que eso ya lo tienen listo ellos a
traves de no sC quien y por eso quieren
que ... que venga ese tipo aqui, que yo lo
certifique. Yo no ... y quise hacer de eso
un punto de honor-
M : Ejem.
MM: -porque si la solucion efectivamente esta
planteada y me convencen, entonces yo
te dire a ti, "mira, estoy convencido de la
solucion que me esthn planteando," jno?
AA: Okey.
MM: Este ... Esa es la situation actual.
M : jY el, y el documento donde dice que yo
saque la plata de Venezuela?
MM: Ah, y el documento de donde ... que dice
que no, no va a ser un documento de, de
PDVSA sino de una contratista-
AA: Ejem.
MM: -que ellos van a conseguir eh ... van a
hablar con ellos, me dijeron que muy
probablemente le pidieran eso a, a tus
No ... oh, I'm fighting with, with ... with PDVSA
because they don't want now to retain ... our
friend, uh, what is his name?
The one you introduced me to, this attorney.
Oh, yes. To your friend ... the, the friend I
introduced.to you.
Why?
-because they already have that ready through I
don't know who and that's why they want that ...
that guy to come here for me to certify him. I
don't ... and I wanted to state my position-
-because if the solution indeed proposed and
they convince me, then I will tell you, "Listen,
I'm convinced of the proposed solution," right?
Okay.
Uh.. . That is the situation at present.
And the, and the document where it states that I
took the money out from Venezuela?
Oh, and the document from where ... that says
no, it's not going to be a document from, from
PDVSA but from a contractor-
-that they are going to find uh ... they will talk
with them, they told me, that it's possible that
they will request that to, to your dear friends
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queridos amigos de, de VENOCO. Este,
yo les dije que no me importaba quien lo
hiciera, siempre y cuando tu lo tuvieras,
pues.
AA: Bueno per0 a mi me dijeron que
[canaspea] ellos mismos y se 10s puede
decir a ellos, me dijeron que, que... que
me ayudaban, segun la persona que me
mandaron para que no te dejes de ... tu
sabes, jno? Este, que... que, con tal de
que ninguna de las tres personas, me
dieron 10s tres nombres de ellos, Carlos
Kauffman, Franklin Duran y Pedro
Duran-
MM: Ya.
AA: -estuvieran involucrados. Y, yo le di mi
palabra a1 tipo, jno? Tu sabes...
MM: No, no, no, si, si es el mismo el que me
esta diciendo que le va a pedir el recibo,
no ... no que se lo vas a pedir tu ni nada.
~ 1no, , no ... E... ese ... lo que te quiero
decir, el re .... el ... la exigencia de recibo
la van a. .. a conseguir. Este, yo no tengo
detalles per0 Rafael dice que no hay
contrato tuyo en, en PDVSA.
AA: Si, ahi hay uno. Rafael, Rafael ...
MM: [OV] Bueno, [UI].
AA: jRafael Ramirez, no, dice, que no? Si, si
hay uno grande-
MM: Si.
AA: -y no, y- y deben plata y no estan
pagando, bueno ... Claro que si hay,
brother.
from, fiom VENOCO. Uh, I told them that it
didn't matter to me who did it, as long as you'd
have it.
Well, but I was told that [clears throat] they,
themselves, and you can say it to them, they told
me that, that ... that they would help me,
according to the person they sent me so that you
don't let ... you know, right? Uh, that ... as long
as none of the three people, they gave me the
three names, Carlos Kauffman, Franklin Duran
and Pedro Duran-
Right.
-were involved. And, I gave the guy my word,
right? You know ...
NO, no, no, yes, yes, it is the same one he's
telling me that he was requesting the receipt,
not ... not that you're going to request it or
anything. He, no, no ... Th ... that ... what I want
to tell you, the re ... the ... they will get the
receipt. Uh, I don't have the details but Rafael
says that there is no contract of yours in, in
PDVSA.
Yes, there is one there. Rafael, Rafael ...
[OV] Well, [UI].
Rafael Ramirez, right, he says there's not? Yes,
there is a big one-
Yes.
-and no, and- and they owe money and they're
not paying, well ... Of course there is one,
brother.
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MM: Bueno eso es lo que tu me tienes que ... Fine, that is what you'll have to ...

AA: Te lo doy, jcuin- c u b - cuindo, cuindo I'll give it to you, when- when- when, when are
vienes tu? you coming?

MM: [OV] Y acuerdate que me ibas a dar 10s [OV] And remember that you were going to
datos y, y... give me the information and, and...

AA: Te 10s doy todos. Te 10s doy todos, [UI]. I'll give you everything. I'll give you everything,
[UI].

MM: Pasarne el dato por, por mail. De todas Send me that information by, by mail. Anyway,
formas yo creo que hay que empezar a... I believe that we have to start to... to, to resolve.
a, a resolver.

AA: Okey. Okay.

MM: La h i c a manera en que ellos ... eh, van a The only way that they ... uh, they will make the
hacer el pago. Es cash. payment. It's cash.

-.
AA: Bueno. Fine.

h4M: jY yo que necesito? Yo necesito que tu And what do I need? I need you to authorize
autorices a alguien aqui que no sea yo, de someone here, other than me, that you trust, are
tu confianza, jestas ahi? you there?

AA: Estoy aqui, si. I'm here, yes.

MM: Que... de tu confianza- That ... that you trust-

AA: Ejem.

MM: -que, eh ... que, que sea de tu absoluta -that, uh ... that, that you completely trust, you
confianza, tienes que preparar una carta have to write a letter that reads, "I, so and so...
que diga, "yo, tal, tal ... eh, venezolano de uh, Venezuelan, identification card such- -"
cedula tal--"

AA: [carraspea] [clears throat]

MM: "--por medio de la pre ... por medio de la "--I here ... I hereby authorize this person to
presente autorizo a tal persona a que receive the amount of money agreed upon at the
reciba la cantidad de dinero acordada en meeting dated such and such." Okay? At the
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mi reunion de fecha tal," jokey? En la meeting that you had ... remember the date that-
reunion que tuviste ... acukrdate la fecha
que-

AA: Ah, si. Oh, yes.

MM: -tuviste la reunion. -you had the meeting.

AA: Okey. Okay.

MM: A esa carta les pones tus dos ... este, On this letter you put your two... uh, thumb
huellas pulgares y ya con eso este yo prints and already with that, I have them deliver
hago que, que la persona que tu designes it to the, the person designated by you.
se lo entreguen.

AA: Okey, per0 si yo hago eso... Okay, but if I do that ...

MM: Despuks que esa persona- After that person-

AA: [OV] Ah-- [OV] Uh --

-~
MM: -lo reciba ... -gets it ...

AA: --aja. --uh-huh.

MM: Este, mi consejo es, vayanse ... que el se
vaya pa'cualquier casa de bolsa y te van
a cobrar, no sk, un porcentaje chiquitico
y, y, y te ... y te lo mandara la casa de
bolsa para una. .. para una cuenta tuya
afiera pues. Pero yo ya he tenido con
clientes mios aqui, situaciones similares, la
casa de bolsa, dependiendo de ... del ... de
la cantidad de ... y de la manera tambiCn,
te dice, "mira, dame un dos por ciento,
dame un tres por ciento--" A veces se
ponen agalludos y piden un cuatro pero
no, no creo que...
Uh, my advise is, go to ... let him go to any
money exchange business and they will charge
you, I don't know, a small percentage and, and,
and they ... and the exchange business will send
it to your ... your account outside. But I already
had similar situations here with clients, the
exchange office, depending on ... on ... on the
amount of. .. and also how, tells you, "Listen,
give me two percent, give me three percent--"
Sometimes they get gutsy and request four
percent but no, I don't think that ...

AA: Bueno. Fine.

MM : ...Que ese se... que sea el caso. ...That will be ... will be the case.

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AA: [carraspea] Bueno, porque ese es el [clears throat] Well, because that's the problem,
problema, eh, a mi me hace falta aqui, uh, I need it here, right? You know, uh ...
&no? Tu sabes, este ...

MM: Yo lo se, yo lo sC, y, y... I know, I know, and, and ...

AA: A... alla en Venezuela, coiio-- Th ... over there in Venezuela, shit --

MM: Yo lo se. I know.

AA: [OV] --te-te debe [UI]... [OV] --it-it should. [UI]...

MM: Ahora yo estoy ... ~ T tienes

u aqui gente Now I am ... Do you have someone here you
de confianza? trust?

AA: Coiio, no eh--eh, no, a esta altura no Shit, no uh--uh, no, at this point I don't have
tengo a nadie, si tengo, el-el ... No se anybody, yes, I have, the-the ... I don't know, I
pues, no lo he pensado. haven't given it a thought.

MM: [OV] i Y un carajo como, como el que ha [OV] And a guy like, like the one who talked
hablado con nosotros por telefono? with us on the phone?

AA: [OV] Si, el, el podria ser. [OV] Yes, he, he could be.

MM: Christian. Christian.

AA: El podria ser el. A el le tengo plena He could be. I trust him completely, uh ... I don't
confianza, este... no se si el, si el quiera o know if he, if he'll want to or well ... I think that
pues ... yo creo que el si o no se, este ... he would or I don't know it, uh...

MM: iCual es el--? Which is the--?

AA: [OV] Claro que si-- [OV] Of course--

MM: [OV] El-- [OV] He--

AA: --eh, el, el es de ... el es de confianza, el --uh, he, he can be ... he can be trusted, of
es de confianza, claro que si lo es. course he can be trusted.

MM: Si quieres, iel esta aqui o esta alla? No If you want, is he here or over there? You don't
sabes. know.
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AA: ~1 me dijo que estaba alla y me dijo que, He told me that he was there and he told me
que iba a verte mafiana, algo asi. ~1 esta that, that he was going to see you tomorrow,
en Venezuela. something like that. He's in Venezuela.

MM: Si, yo ... Ah, pero no me ha confirmado si Yeah, I... Oh, but he didn't confirm if he was
viene o no. coming or not.

AA: Ah, bueno, el, el esta alla. ~1 esta en Oh, well, he, he's there. He's in Venezuela.
Venezuela.

MM: Okey, entonces cuando yo lo vea le... se Okay, so, when I see him 1'11... I'll propose it to
lo planteo. him.

AA: Pero una pregunta Moises, un recibo de But Moises I have a question, a receipt of these
esta gente con el eschdalo en la prensa people with the scandal in the newspapers, that
eso lo...[tartamudea] Tu como abogado is... [stammers] You, as an attorney in
en Venezuela, jeso camina? ~ E S sOi n e ? Venezuela, does that fly? Does that work?

MM: iUn recibo de quien? A receipt from who?

AA: iDe--de Venoco? From-- from Venoco?

MM: Claro, porque acuerdate que tu problema Of course, because remember that you don't
no es aqui, tu problema es alla. have a problem here, your problem is over
there.

AA: Ah, okey. Oh, okay

MM: Y, y no va a ser de Venoco, olvidate que And, and it's not going to be from Venoco,
no va a ser de Venoco, le decimos que forget that, it's not going to be from Venoco,
de Venoco no. we'll tell him not from Venoco.

AA: Bueno, yo ... a... a mi, a mi no me importa Fine, I... I... it doesn't matter to me if it's from
si es de Venoco-- Venoco--

MM: [OV] Que no sean ellos. Que no sean [OV] Not them. Not them.
ellos.

AA: --ah, yo, yo ... Ah, escuchame... --oh, I, I... Oh, listen to me ...

MM: Que no Sean ellos. Lo que pasa que tu Not them. The thing is, you know how the
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sabes como son 10s gringos, 10s gringos
no... mi, mi sugerencia es ... a los, a 10s
gringos--
AA: Ejem.
MM: --eh, con la, con la verdad por delante y
lo que si es verdad es que tu trabajaste
vinculado a ese grupo, o sea ... esa vaina
es tan facil de demostrar como que ... No
se. ..
AA: Okey.
MM: Hicieron, hicieron diez mil vainas juntos
entonces no tiene nada de raro que ellos
te hayan pagado 800.000 dolares, jo no?
AA: [Suspira] Nu-nunca lo hicieron antes, tu
sabes, en efectivo nunca, dig0 ... verga,
bueno, eh, MoisCs, bueno, no mas
efectivo, una transferencia, sabes ...
MM: No importa. Eso lo pensamos-
AA: [OV]Si,yo...
MM: -si no nos sirve-
AA: [carraspea]
MM: -1e varnos a pedir con otra vaina.
AA: Okey, yo lo que estaba pensando es... e-
e- es, es simplemente ... No se, con todo
lo de la prensa, con todo ... o sea ... CoAo,
10s bancos aqui estan-- o sea, es-es mas,
paf- pa' abrir la cuenta esta nueva que
tengo que ... o sea tengo que pagarle a un
abogado, pa' tener un trust account,
porque no, ni cuentas tengo, o sea ...
Todavia no, no, no he hecho nada [UI:]
gringos are, the gringos don't ... My, my
suggestion is ... to, to the gringos--
--uh, with the, with the truth up front and what is
really true is that you worked connected to that
group, I mean.. . that is so easy to prove like ... I
don't know ...
Okay.
You did, you did a thousand things together so
it's not strange at all for them to pay you
800,000 dollars, right?
[Sighs] They ne-never did it before, you know,
never in cash, I mean ... fuck, well, uh, Moises,
well, the best option is to do the transfer, you
know ...
It doesn't matter. We'll think about that-
[OV] Yes, I...
-if it's not good for us-
[clears throat]
-we'll request him with something else.
Okay, what I was thinking is ... it- it is, it's
simply ... I don't know, with everything in the
newspaper, with everything ... I mean. .. Shit, the
banks here are-- I mean, what-what's more, to-
to open this new account I have to ... I mean, I
have to pay an attorney, so I can have a trust
account, because it, I don't even have any
accounts, I mean ... I, I, I have not done anything
yet [UI] not yet but everybody is talking about
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todavia per0 todo el mundo esta con, con
la cosa de prensa y en internet todo el
mundo esti como ... tu sabes, muy pen ...
mu-u-u, muy pendiente pues, jno?
MM: i Y tus cuentas de alla te las congelaron?
AA: No, no, yo no tengo ninguna cuenta
congelada per0 yo no creo que quieran
resi ... me, me han dicho, si vas a mandar
a l g h dinero de Venezuela o Sur America
necesitamos saberlo y me pidieron que no
lo mandara.
MM: Okey.
AA: Entonces yo abri una cuenta per0 a
nombre de un abogado, o sea un trust
account, pensando, tu sabes, pensando,
sabes, no el nombre mio, pensando ...
pensando en todas estas cosas que
podian suceder [carraspea] lo abri en
West Palm Beach este con, con una
abogada tu sabes, eh, y es un trust
account, o sea, es algo tambien que es
inembargable y tu sabes, a nombre de, de
[CTI] compafiia, a nombre de mi familia, tu
sabes, algo, algo que no... que, tu sabes,
perfecto pues, jno?
MM: [OV] Si, si. Si.
AA: Este, que ahi--ahi seria donde mandaria
el dinero per0 ... bueno, okey, que rollo.
MM: No, bueno--
AA: [OV] Bueno, no, no, no, me, me parece
buenisimo. jy--y--y--y como es,
cuando, y como suceden las cosas y--?
MM: Yo prefiero, yo prefiero ... Eso sucede en
the thing in the newspaper and the internet,
everybody is like ... you know, very ... ve- ve-
very aware, right?
And they froze your accounts over there?
No, no, I don't have a frozen account but I
don't think that they want to reci ... they, they
have told me, if you send some money from
Venezuela or South America we need to know
about it and they asked me not to send it.
Okay.
So, I opened an account but in the name of an
attorney, it's a trust account, thinking, you
know, thinking, you know, not in my name,
thinking ... thinking about all these things that
could happen [clears throat] I opened it in West
Palm Beach, uh, with, with an attorney, you
know, uh, and it's a trust account, I mean, it's
something that can not be seized and you know,
in the name of, of [UI] company, in the name of
my family, you know, something, something that
is not ... that, you know, perfect then, right?
Yes, yes. Yes.
Uh, that--that is where the money could be sent
but ... well, okay, what a mess.
No. well--
[OV] Fine, no, no, no, I, I believe it's very
good. And--and--and--and how it is, when,
and how things happen and--?
I prefer. I prefer ... That happens at the moment
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el momento en que ... en que tenga, en
que yo le presente el recibo a ellos. Ellos
lo que quieren es certificar es que no me
voy a quedar yo con la vaina, jentiendes?
Entonces--
AA: Ah, okey.
MM: Eh, por eso piden ...
AA: Pero yo se lo ... yo, yo ... per0 yo sC lo
dije a el por telCfono a... a1 jefe, a, a... a1
General se lo dije por telifono que eras
tu. [carraspea]
MM: Perfecto. Yo se.
AA: Bueno, okey, este, bueno si es asi, es asi,
y, y el ... y el ... ah, o... lo que me
preocupa, eso y el recibo, si tu dices que
el recibo este sirve y vuela, bueno, yo
confio en ti pues, per0 ... Yo, lo que
pienso es en la prensa, o sea ...
MM: No, no, no, yo el, el, el recibo a 10s
efectos arnericanos tenemos que eval ...
evaluarlo, jokey? Pero ahi no me
importa, lo que ellos me dijeron es, ni de
vaina un recibo de PDVSA y ellos
estAn...y estamos [UI].
AA: [OV] Ah, bueno, per0 es que nunca di ...
o sea, yo, por Dios, eh, je ...
MM: Pues, por eso, ni de vaina un recibo
[UI]...
AA: [OV] Yo, acuerdate que yo, yo repeti lo
que ustedes me ofrecieron, yo, yo ... yo le
di [UI.] a- a mi ese recibo de un ... del
chichero de--de la esquina y es--y es
that ... when I have, when I show them the
receipt. What they want is to make sure I won't
keep the thing, you understand? So the--
Oh, okay.
Uh, that's why they ask ...
But I'll ... I, I... but I told him over the phone
to ... to the boss, to, to ... to the General, I told
him over the phone that it was you. [clears
throat]
Perfect. I know.
Fine, okay, uh, well, if it's like this, it's like this
and, and the ... and the ... Oh, or ... what
concerns me, that and the receipt, if you say that
this receipt is good and flies, well, I trust you,
but ... What I'm thinking about is the press, in
other words ...
No, no, no, I, the, the receipt for the Americans,
we have to eval ... evaluate it, okay? But there it
doesn't matter to me, what they told me is, a
receipt of PVDSA, no way, and they are. ..
and we are [UT].
[OV] Oh: fine, but I never gave ... I mean, I,
God, uh, ha ...
Well, that's why, not even a receipt [UI]...
[OV] I, remember that I, I repeated what you
offered to me, I, I... I gave him [UI] for- for me,
that receipt from a... from some slob off--off the
street and it's--and it's legal, what is the
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legal, cual es el problems, jentendiste? problem, you know what I mean?

MM: Claro, claro, claro. Of course, of course, of course.

AA: 0 sea, yo--yo estoy que, je, [se riel
jentiendes? N... tu sabes, la idea es
hacerlo ... coiio, se espero tanto ...Ahora,
jtu dices que hasta febrero tengo que
esperar?
I mean, I--I am so, ha, [laughs] Do you
understand? N... you know, the idea is of doing
it ... shit, they waited so long ... Now, you're
saying that I have to wait till February?

MM: No, para que haya una decisi6n. Mientras Right, to get a decision. In the meantime there
tanto va a haber abogado, defensa, line- are going to be attorneys, defense, line-up-
UP-

AA: [ruido nasal] [snorts]

MM: -va a haber todo- -there will be everything-

AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

MM: -per0 para que se resuelva -but to have it finally resolved, February.
definitivamente, febrero.

AA: Okey. Okay

MM: Es la fecha en que ese seiior sale pues. It's the date when this man will be out.

AA: jEl, el juez? The, the judge?

MM: Si. Yes.

AA: Okey, okey. [suspira] Bueno, entonces, Okay, okay. [sighs] Well, so, m-whi-- tell me,
m-cu-- dime, jquC, que deb0 hacer? what, what am I supposed to do?

MM: Bueno el pr6ximo paso es hacer la-- un Well, the next step is to do the-- a receipt-
recibito-

AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

MM: -donde designas con nombre y numero -where you designate the person with name and
de cedula a la persona- ID number-
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AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

MM: -eh, yo voy a... lo voy a llamar ahorita -uh, I'm going to ... I'm going to call him right
mismo pa' ver si se viene ahorita para la now to see if he's going to come now to the
oficina- office-

AA: Okey. Okay.

MM: -hablo con 61, si el dice que si, le haces la -1'11 talk to him, if he says yes, you give him the
autorizaci6n a 61 y este, en las... mete esa authorization and he, in the ... put that letter in
carta en un DHL- DHL-

AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

NIM: -es importante que sea... tu, tu has votado -it's important to be ... you, you have voted here,
aqui, jverdad? jO no? right? Or not?

AA: [OV] iEn Venezuela? Este ... no, creo [OV] In Venezuela? Uh ... No, I don't think so.
que no. No, nunca ... NO, never ...

MM: [OV] [UI] cuando estabas en Miami. [OV] [UI] when you were in Miami.

AA: No, tarnpoco per0 tengo, per0 tengo No, neither, but I have, but I have an ID and,
cedula y, y no ... and no ...

MM: Okey, nada, yo, las huellas que tu pongas Okay, nothing, I, the prints that you'll put on, on
en, en la carta la van a comparar con el ... the letter, they will compare them with the ... with
con la ficha tuya de ... your record of. ..

AA: De la cedula de identidad, jno? Of the ID, right?

MM: De ... si, de alla de la ONIDEX- Of. .. yes, over there at ONIDEX-

AA: Ejem. Uh-hum.

MM: -para verificar que eres tu efectivamente -to verify that it's in effect you the one that ... the
el que ... el que manda la carta- one that is sending the letter-

AA: Claro. Of course.

NlM: -y, y con eso, este, le ... eh, yo, hago que -and, and with that, uh, I... uh, I, I have them
le entreguen el dinero a este carajo. give this guy the money.
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AA: jQue--quk debe decir la carta? No me How--how should the letter read? Wouldn't
quieres- you want-

h4M: [OV] [UI]

AA: -no me quieres hacer una.. . no me quieres -wouldn't you want to write one for me ...
hacer ... wouldn't you want ...

MM: Si, pana, yo te la hago y te la mando por Yes, buddy, I'll write one for you and I'll send
correo, cuenta con eso. in by mail, you can count on that.

AA: Okey, o sea, o sea dime... una ... o sea, y
autorizar... como tu quieres que diga y
como les gusta a ellos, o sea... yo la
puedo hacer per0 ... tu, tu me dices si ... si
me puedes mandar mejor, joiste?
Okay, that is, that is, tell me ... one ... I mean, and
authorize ... The way you want it to read and
how they like it, I mean. .. I can do it but ... you,
you tell me if. .. if you can send it to me, better,
did you hear?

MM: Eh, yo te la mando, cuenta con eso Uh, I'll send it to you, count on that, Alejandro.
Alej andro.

AA: Dale pues. Entonces el siguiente paso, Alright then. So, the next step, [UI], the money
[UI], el dinero y despuks el recibo- and then the receipt-

MM: Aja. [voces de fond01 El ... Y des ... Ya Uh-huh. [voices in the background] The ... And
va, dame un segundito. Te, te llamo en, en the ... Hang on, give me a second. I, I'll call you
10 minutos, Alex. in, in 10 minutes, Alex.

AA: Dale, pues. Alright, then.

MM: Que me llegaron con un regalo a la They came here to the office with a present. 1'11
oficina. Te llamo en 10 minutos. call you in 10 minutes.

AA: Ah, feliz cumpleaiios de-- de [UT]. Oh, happy birthday from-- from [UI].

MM: [OV] Gracias. [OV] Thanks.

AA: Dale, pu-pues. Alright, th-then.

MM: Chao. Bye.

[ruido] [noise]
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CD Number: R27a

-. AA: 6:02p.m., November 15, 2007. This 6:02 p.m., November 15, 2007. This was a
was a call between Alejandro Antonini call between Alejandro Antonini and Moises
and Moisb Maionica. This call was Maionica. This call was authorized by the
authorized by the FBI. FBI.