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available D. SIPC was not asked, and nowhere does it say, how much money was
as an audio podcast. earned in interest from Treasuries and money market funds into which
Madoff put the money in the Chase/JPMC account, or how much, if
any interest, was earned from Chase and JPMC themselves. To learn
Subscribe to this blog's RSS these numbers is essential because the interest, as explained above, is
the equivalent of cash-in and must be credited to investors’ accounts
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under CICO, which Picard has not done. If the Second Circuit upholds
the use of CICO, there should be attempts to obtain these numbers via
discovery. If Lifland again denies discovery, as he denied it previously,
this would form one basis for appeal from his next decision on the net
equity question.
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directly to your inbox The amount of interest could, in toto, be a very significant sum.
Though the chart of annual cash-in and annual cash-out provided by
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billions of dollars -- even tens and scores of billions of dollars -- in
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be gauged by the FSM, it will be essential to seek discovery on this
question upon remand to Lifland’s court. If Lifland refuses discovery,
PREVIOUS POSTS which seems to be his want (he is after all deeply biased in favor of
SIPC and Picard*), this could, as said, be a basis for appeal. (In fact, the
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interest earned from Treasuries, money market accounts, etc. should be
Congress By SIPC. Par... added to investors’ accounts under the FSM too, because it was earned
September 23, 2010 The with their money. Victims could justifiably demand this money from
customer property, and seek discovery about it, if the FSM is used, just
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as they can under CICO.)
Addendum to Post of September
21, 2010 E. SIPC says there were “90,000 disbursements totaling $18.5 billion
made to Madoff investors in excess of their investments.” (P. 5.)
The One (or Two) Dimensional Whether this means during the entire course of the scam, or only
Coach. during the six year period prior to December 11, 2008 -- the maximum
SIPC Task Force possible period for avoidance actions -- is not said. If the latter, this
would mean that on average there were 15,000 such disbursements per
The Foreign And Domestic
The Foreign And Domestic year, or an average of 1,250 per month. If the former, it would mean
Indirects. there were on average about 5,300 per year, averaging about 450 per
month. I find it hard to say which is more likely, and, if SIPC is
Judge Lifland's Opinion On Net referring only to the last six years before December 2008, there also
Equity. would obviously be many disbursements above investment before the
More On SIPC’S And The Trustee’s last six years.
Bubbe Meisse. Pl... Thus, regardless of which SIPC means, there are likely to be many
More On The Bubbe Meisse of SIPC current or prior Madoff investors who, by December 11, 2002 (six years
and The Trustee before the fraud was disclosed) had taken out more than they put in.
Yet, because of statutes of limitations this “excess” is beyond the reach
Comments On The Hearing Of of avoidance suits unless the investors were negligent or complicit --
February 2nd Before Jud... and it is probable that only wealthy investors and/or institutions were
negligent because they had sufficient money to do due diligence that
would have uncovered the fraud, and therefore can be sued for “excess”
monies they took out before December 11, 2002.
March 2010 After making clear that there would be no discovery to learn what the
June 2010 actual facts are, Lifland then accepted and used versions of the facts
put forth by SIPC and the Trustee. This too has been discussed in blogs
September 2010 and briefs, as has the fact that, even without discovery to learn the
truth, we already know that various of the factual claims of SIPC and
the Trustee are flat wrong and others are dubious, and that there is
other vital information that we do not yet know because SIPC, the
Trustee and the U.S. Attorney are keeping it secret.
As you will see by reading them, SIPC’s answers are filled with self
justifying verbal explications -- often identical to what SIPC and the
Trustee have said in briefs -- intended to put a gloss on facts it has
presented. As well, the answers omit certain important information --
sometimes because the questions it received did not request it -- and
make it clear that additional information is needed with respect to
some of the answers SIPC gave. Nonetheless, the answers do provide
significant, important, often previously undisclosed information that
should be discussed in presentations to Congress, to the courts, and to
the media.*
A. To begin with, SIPC’s answers show that it has, or has ready access
to, nearly double the amount of money it would need to pay direct
investors under the final statement method (FSM). SIPC’s fund, as of
August 1 (the date as of which the subcommittee sought answers),
stood at $1.2 billion. It also had access to a $2.5 billion line of credit.
So its total available funds were $3.7 billion. Under the FSM it would
have to pay $2.01 billion in advances. So it has access to $1.6 billion
more than, or about 180 percent of, what it would have to pay in
advances under the FSM.
Moreover, SIPC expects that during the remainder of 2010 and 2011 it
will take in another $500 million for its fund from the industry. This
will bring its available monies to a total of $4.2 billion, or precisely
double what it would have to pay directs in advances.
When the imbroglio with SIPC and the Trustee began, some of us
thought they were using cash-in/cash-out because of fear that
otherwise SIPC would not have enough money for advances. Our view
may or may not have been true, but in any event it has now been
overtaken. SIPC already has and/or will have nearly twice the amount
or twice the amount (depending on the date one uses) that it would
need under the FSM to pay advances to all direct investors.
Thus it is plain, as said, that most accounts were those of investors who
ranged from very small to what might be considered the upper edge of
small ($3,000,000), with a reported average per all allowed claims,
according to SIPC, of $375,671 -- which means that on average SIPC is
not paying out even the full maximum of $500,000 per claim. Of the
allowed claims under CICO, 1,330 were for more than the maximum
payment of $500,000 and 845 were for less. The average allowed
claim, as said, is $375,671, or over 20 percent less than the maximum
allowed advance from the SIPC fund.
As well, the allowed claims number only 2,175 under CICO. Under the
FSM they would number 4,459, or 2,284 more. So in addition to
paying, under CICO, more than twenty percent less than the maximum
allowable, by using CICO rather than the FSM SIPC has shed itself of
over 50 percent of the otherwise allowable claims of direct investors.
As well, if the same exercise were performed for Congress by SIPC with
regard to the possibly non innocent 100 who may have avoidance suits
brought against them, it is dollars to doughnuts that the result would
show that a large percentage of them are big investors: are hedge funds
or banks or wealthy individuals with tens to scores of millions of
dollars that were invested. It is after all, large players -- hedge funds,
banks, etc. -- that had the capability to figure out that something must
be wrong.
All of this brings up a curious point. SIPC says that from the 1,000
innocent people whom the Trustee may sue and who are likely to be
small investors, he could recover $4.8 billion dollars; while from the
100 persons with possible knowledge, many of whom are likely to be
large investors, he may recover at least $2 billion -- or only a bit over
40 percent of what he could get from the smaller investors. Even
understanding that the Trustee’s 19 avoidance actions to date are
mainly or exclusively against large investors, the imbalance between
seeking another $4.8 billion from mainly small people but only another
$2 billion from mainly large people, when coupled with the idea that
very large investors were often so wealthy that they did not have to take
cash out of Madoff to pay taxes, to live, etc., gives credence to those
who have said in recent months that the Trustee, contrary to Robin
Hood, is taking money from the poor to give to the rich.
$6.75 billion is considerably less than the nine or ten billion Picard
said he expects to recover, and even considerably less to a far greater
extent than the amounts he could recover under SIPC’s figures,
amounts ranging up to $22 billion. What will happen to the extra
money? Well, SIPC will get a bundle of it. Under the statute, customer
property is allocated first to SIPC “in repayment of advances . . . to the
extent such advances recovered securities which were apportioned to
customer property.” I long thought SIPC was very dubiously
interpreting this provision defacto to mean SIPC recovers advances
even when the advances were not made “to recover securities,” but only
to pay victims in cash. But SIPC’s brief in the Second Circuit does not
interpret it this way, at least not now. If the first allocation provision
were to be interpreted as I thought SIPC previously was doing, then,
out of the recovered customer property that can range anywhere from
about $6.75 billion to $22 billion, SIPC would get $888 million dollars
that it will have paid in advances.
So, thus far $6.75 billion in customer property is accounted for ($888
million in advances plus another $5.862 billion to cover the remainder
of the total value of the accounts having positive net equities). What
about the remainder of the nine or ten billion dollars Picard expects to
receive (or the amounts up to $22 billion that he could conceivably
recover)? Well, I gather SIPC would obtain either $6.75 billion to cover
all the money it paid to customers if it did not get money under the
first allocation provision, or another $5.862 billion if it did (for a total
of $6.75 billion). For under the statute, after the customers are repaid,
SIPC now gets money as “subrogee for the claims of customers.” I
assume this must mean the claims of customers who received money --
i.e., those with a positive CICO net equity -- because how could SIPC be
a subrogee to a claim of someone who did not receive money? So SIPC
will, as said, get either $6.75 billion or another $5.862 billion.
SIPC is also fourth in line, for allocations though this time its position
seems meaningless. Here SIPC is reimbursed for delivering “customer
name” securities (I presume as opposed to street name securities) to a
customer. But SIPC hasn’t delivered any customer name securities to
anybody as far as any of us know, so being fourth in line is irrelevant.
Any money remaining from customer property will then go into the
general estate. Who will get this money from the general estate is
unknown to me and, as far as I know, neither SIPC nor Picard have
ever said. Customers (i.e., investor victims) can share in it only to the
extent they have unsatisfied net equities. So the general estate is in this
regard irrelevant to directs because they either have negative net
equities under CICO or, if they have positive net equities, their entire
claim will have been satisfied under CICO. So who will get the money?
The bottom line is that who may get what from the general estate is
unknown. But, with regard to recipients of money in categories that
come before the general estate, SIPC will get a bundle while penurious,
wiped out small investors will get, as it is said, bupkis.
Of course, if the FSM were used instead of CICO, then SIPC would have
to pay $2,010,467,854 in advances, and might recoup that as first in
line for customer property if SIPC can recover for advances not used to
recover securities. If this assumption, which I thought was previously
indulged by Picard and SICP is wrong, as SIPC’s brief seems to
implicitly admit, then SIPC might very well get nothing rather than two
billion dollars. For the customer property would go to victims – at least
it would go to direct investors; the direct investors may represent a
very large dollar amount of the $57 billion that SIPC’s analysis says is
the total amount owed to customers (which “excludes the potential
results of settlements”); and there might therefore be nothing left for
SIPC. (P. 6, n.1.) So SIPC’s situation would be far less favorable to it
under the FSM than under CICO, a fact which you can bet has not
escaped either Harbeck or Picard.**
ADDENDUM TO POST OF
SEPTEMBER 21, 2010
I have just received, from the Syracuse Athletic Department, the figures
on the points scored by and against Syracuse in 2008, the last year
Greg Robinson, who now coaches Michigan’s defense, was Syracuse’s
head coach. The awful tally is 217 points scored by Syracuse and 392
scored against it.
Larry Velvel
But so what, you say. It took Rodriguez awhile to recruit his kind of
players, now he has done so, and look at the results. Well, the results
are a marvelous offense, at least so far, and I would think that success
likely to continue even when Michigan starts playing Big Ten teams.
But the defense, oh my God, the defense. Perhaps the best way to
describe the defense is to ask, what defense? Not to mention what
appears to be the complete absence of any kickers whatever.
The defense has been awful ever since Rodriguez began at Michigan,
and it remains awful. One has to believe that, notwithstanding its
offense, Michigan is going to lose a number -- even a lot -- of Big 10
games because of the sheer horribleness of its defense. Even given the
likely continued excellence of the offense, how can Michigan beat, say,
Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State or perhaps Michigan State,
with a defense that stops nobody. And what if, heaven forefend,
Dennard Robinson were to be injured and unable to play, so that there
might be little offense because his backups are not nearly as capable as
he, at least not at this point and maybe never. If that were to happen,
Michigan might be lucky to win any Big Ten games.
And who did Rodriguez hire to run his defense. Greg Robinson, a guy
who compiled such a bad record as head coach at Syracuse that he got
fired after four years there. Now the defense is in its second year under
Robinson and should have learned something, but apparently is worse
than ever.
A few years ago, when the underperforming Lloyd Carr was still head
coach, I heard the panelists on ESPN’s college football show --
particularly the highly accomplished ex-coach Lou Holtz -- do
something that such panelists rarely do. I heard them criticizing a head
coach, in this case Carr. But that may have been as nothing compared
to what Holtz and the adroit Mark May (didn’t he play at Notre
Dame?) said about Michigan’s defense this Sunday, right after the
UMass game. They both savaged Michigan’s defense, which they found
abominable, with Holtz saying, among other things, that this is not the
Michigan defense he used to warn his teams about. And it was May, I
believe, who specifically blamed Greg Robinson for the problem, saying
he had installed a new defense -- if, as I say, Michigan’s defense can
even be given that name. (Maybe it should be called “Michigan’s non
defense,” or “Michigan’s porous”).
So Michigan’s football future does not look too bright in the Big Ten
this year, unless a miracle happens and Greg Robinson somehow
teaches Michigan’s porous to play defense within, say, less than two
weeks, when Michigan plays Michigan State.
And lest one forgets, let me reiterate that Michigan has no kickers. It
simply cannot make field goals and, perhaps with some exaggeration, I
would say it seems hard pressed to kick kick-offs more than two thirds
of the way to the end zone. How could Rodriguez have failed in three
years to recruit even one player who can kick off and kick field goals?
You can bet your sweet bippy, as I think Artie Johnson or somebody or
other used to say on Laugh-In forty years ago, that in the Big Ten
Michigan will pay the price for this ineptitude at kicking.
Oh boy. It could end up being another long season for Michigan fans.*
Dear Ron:
A sixth member (Giddens) is from a major Wall Street firm and is well
known as a Trustee for SIPC. Doubtless he makes a nice piece of
change from SIPC, and can hardly be expected to favor anything that
would be contrary to SIPC’s desires.
There are two Committee members (Aidikoff and Caruso) whom SIPC
seems to claim are plaintiffs’ lawyers (the claim appears to be correct),
and three (Borg, Lubin and Smith), who are state securities officials. I
know little about any of these five, although it has been claimed that
some of the relevant states have not been active in protecting investors,
unlike New York and Massachusetts -- whose relevant officials were not
picked for the Committee. It probably is fair to assume, however, that
these five might be open minded on crucial issues.
There are some other problems also. As shown by the work of a similar,
perhaps identical, committee in the 1970s, the new committee’s work is
likely to take years before anything comes of it. And even if one thinks
that this might be alright for the long term, especially when it deals
with matters mentioned in the mission statement as being of interest
but which are nonetheless of little concern to current victims (like
“corporate governance” and international affairs), work that takes years
before it is completed and has effect will not solve the problem that
there are thousands of innocent, injured investors who desperately
need certain changes now, not years from now, as occurred in the
1970s. (It is much like the Gulf oil spill: whatever might be decided
about offshore drilling in the long term, the gushing of oil needs to be
stopped now.) That people need help now cannot be stressed enough.
People in their 70s and 80s cannot wait until 2015 or 2020 for specific
needed reforms. They need help immediately.
As well, as shown in the 1970s, it is too easy for people whose careers
are invested in the industry to ignore the real problems. You may
remember that the record of Senate hearings in the 1970s contained a
memorandum of about 40 pages from a constituent that Senator
Cranston put into the record. That memo identified many, many of the
already existing problems that Gretchen Morgenson wrote about
twenty-five years or so later, in 2000, and that were again brought to
consciousness by the Madoff scandal in 2008. Yet the 1970s committee
ignored these already existing problems, as then did the Congress, so
the problems are still with us. The new task force, comprised heavily of
SIPC and industry insiders with deep interests to protect, and with its
staff work to be done by the very SIPC staff who likewise have much in
the way of heavily criticized actions to protect, can all too plainly be
expected to repeat the 1970s performance of ignoring vital matters, or
at minimum soft pedaling them.
Larry