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These races were built mechanically using the Advanced Race Guide. Silvan and Sindar
Elves are Advanced Races, while Noldor are a Monstrous Race according to that book.
Elf, Grey (Sinda, pl. Sindar)
The Sindar or “Grey Elves” were originally part of the great kindred called the Teleri. Unlike
the Noldor, Vanyar, and the bulk of the Teleri, the Sindar chose not to cross over the sea to Aman; instead
they stayed in Middleearth. They, like the Silvan Elves, are part of the Moriquendi, the “Dark Elves” who
never saw the Light of Valinor.
Of the three Elven races of Middleearth, the Sindar are the quietest and calmest, and they appear to be
the most content. They are less frivolous and playful than the Silvan Elves and are less fiery and
passionate than the Noldor. Sindar feelings are deep and not easily aroused, but when they are they
cannot be stayed. This is the root of their Sealonging.
Physical Description: Thin when compared to Men, the Sindar are nearly as tall as the Noldor but are
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generally slighter of build. They are more muscular than the Silvan Elves. Most have fair hair and pale blue
Search or grey eyes. Like the Noldor, they have light skin. Sinda clothing is exceedingly well made, yet subtle and
Everything utilitarian. They do not favor the rich garb of their Noldor cousins. Greys and silvers are their chosen colors.
Society: The Sindar are the most open and cooperative of Middleearth's Elves. They are great teachers
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and borrowers and have an interest in the works of all races. This is in contrast to the more inquisitive
PA T HF INDE R ® Noldor, who are quick to scoff at things which are subtle or modest in appearance or utility. Grey Elves are
a settled people and enjoy the company of others. Unlike the Silvan Elves, they build towns and havens
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and gather in closeknit communities. Many of the Sindar feel a kinship to the sea. They build superb ships
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Relations: The Sindar are great friends of most races and have remained particularly close to Dwarves.
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Game Their chief enemies are orcs, wargs, and dragons.
Rules Archive (PRD) Alignment and Religion: Given their love for sailing and the sea, Grey Elves have a special respect for
Beginner Box Ulmo, the Lord of Waters. They revere Eru and see Varda as their patron.
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+2 Str, +2 Dex, 2 Con, +2 Wis: Grey Elves are strong, silent, and stoic. Like other Elves, their physical
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forms are frail compared to their strong spirits.
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Modules Medium: Grey Elves are Medium creatures and receive no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Scenarios Normal Speed: Grey Elves have a base speed of 30 feet.
Adventure Finder LowLight Vision: Grey Elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
Campaign Setting Fearless: Grey Elves gain a +2 racial bonus on all saving throws against fear effects.
The Inner Sea FleetFooted: Grey Elves receive Run as a bonus feet and a +2 racial bonus on initiative checks.
Deathless Spirit: Grey Elves have resistance 5 against negative energy damage. They do not lose hit
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points when they gain a negative level, and they gain a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against death
Accessories effects, energy drain, negative energy, and spells or spelllike abilities of the necromancy school.
Combat Pad Eldar Immunities: Grey Elves are immune to nonmagical diseases and gain a +2 racial saving throw
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Cards Hatred: Grey Elves gain a +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against orcs, wolves and wargs.
Pawns Keen Senses: Grey Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception checks.
Apps Weapon Familiarity: Grey Elves are proficient with longbows (including composite longbows),
Dice longswords, rapiers, and shortbows (including composite shortbows), and treat any weapon with the world
Miniatures “Elven” or “Sindar” in its name as a martial weapon.
Prepainted Plastic Languages: Grey Elves begin play speaking Westron and Sindarin. Grey Elves with high Intelligence
Metal scores can choose from the following: Avian, Black Speech, Entish, Quenya, Spider, and Wolf.
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Elf, High (Noldo, pl. Noldor)
The Noldor are often called “High Elves” ostensibly because they are considered to be the most noble of the
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Elves in Middleearth. In reality, they are so named for having once resided in the Blessed Realm of Aman
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across the sea. This exalted status is accentuated by their close ties with the Valar, a relationship which
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Comics accounts for their unique cultural and linguistic roots.
Audio Dramas All Noldor are noble of bearing and carry themselves with assurance. They are haughty and often appear to
be arrogant. Of all the Elves, they are the most inquisitive and passionate, being full of a desire for
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experience and expertise in the arts and ways of the world. Because of this thirst for knowledge, the Noldor
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Campaign Rules Finwë was the first King of the Noldor, which is counted among the Elves as the Second Kindred. Finwë’s
Factions sons—Fëanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin—produced the three traditional lines of High Elven nobility.
Scenarios Physical Description: Of all the Elves, the Noldor are the strongest and sturdiest of build, although they
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are still slimmer than Men. Most are darkhaired and have grayish eyes which betray a proud demeanor.
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Descendants of Fingolfin and Finarfin are often fairhaired and blueeyed. High Elves favor rich clothing and
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Society: Of all the Elves of Middleearth, the Noldor are the most ordered. While their brethren are
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content to wander or mark time in quiet diffusion, the Noldor seek to build communities and states in
beautiful, guarded places.
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Relations: The Noldor hate orcs, trolls, and dragons above all creatures. Due to their pride, they tend to
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Plush than any other Vala, save Varda herself. Like all Elves, they worship Varda as giver of Light and maker of
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+2 Dex, +2 Int, 2 Wis, +2 Cha: High Elves are nimble, deeply curious, and possessed of powerful
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Comics Medium: High Elves are Medium creatures and receive no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Pathfinder Legends Normal Speed: High Elves have a base speed of 30 feet.
LowLight Vision: High Elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
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Eldar Immunities: High Elves are immune to nonmagical diseases and gain a +2 racial saving throw
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Libraries addition, they also receive a +2 racial bonus on Spellcraft checks made to indentify the properties of magic
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Keen Senses: High Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception checks.
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When the Elves departed from their original birthplace during the Elder Days, a number of their brethren
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wandered and hid from the wild Men who dominated most of the lands. They became known as the Silvan
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Physical Description: Most are slight of build, and all are thin by Mannish standards. They are ruddy of
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grey, or brown, and range from functional designs to fanciful expressions of individual creativity. Their
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garments lack the formality and pomp of typical Noldo garb.
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Comics Society: The culture of the Silvan Elves is best characterized as unstructured and rustic by Elven
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independent, but as of late many have settled in kingdoms ruled by the Noldor or Sindar. Still, all the Silvan
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Miniatures Relations: The Silvan Elves seclude themselves more readily than their brethren, for they have a less
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Alignment and Religion: Silvan Elves have a strong attachment to Oromë the Huntsman. Like all Elves,
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+2 Dex, 2 Con, +2 Cha: Wood Elves are nimble and playful. Like other Elves, their physical forms are
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eldritch heritage with Fletrunner (Lothlórien): You spent much of your life among the flets of Lothlórien, far above the forest
imperious, 8 minutes ago by floor. You gain a +2 trait bonus on Acrobatics checks to move across narrow surfaces.
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Hidden Archer (Lothlórien): The Elves of Lothlórien are skilled as discouraging trespassers without ever
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you take a 10 penalty instead of the usual 20 penalty.
Loremaster (Rivendell): You have spent many hours listening to tales and songs in the Hall of Fire,
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and you have studied in the library of Elrond himself. You gain a +1 trait bonus on Knowledge (history) and
caster disparity..., Knowledge (local) checks. One of these skills (your choice) is always a class skill for you.
10 minutes ago by Raftelf (Mirkwood): The time you spent living along the Forest River that flows past the Elvenking’s Hall
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has taught you how to handle a small vessel. You gain a +2 trait bonus on Profession (sailor) checks to
Camel Racing through a pilot a small boat or raft. In addition, you can make Profession (sailor) checks untrained on rivers and
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freshwater lakes.
Automatic Successes,
11 minutes ago by Scott Shipbuilder (Edhellond or Grey Havens): You spent time working on one of the great ships that would
Rogganbuck bear Elvenkind into the West, never to return to Middleearth. You gain a +1 trait bonus on Craft
Camel Racing through a (woodworker) and Profession (sailor) checks. One of these skills (your choice) is always a class skill for you.
Lightning Storm and Spiderfoe (Mirkwood): You survived an encounter with the giant spiders of Mirkwood and know how to
Automatic Successes, escape their traps. You gain a +1 trait bonus on Escape Artist checks to escape entanglement. This trait
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bonus increases to +2 against spider webs.
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Trollshaws Scout (Rivendell): You are at home among the jagged rocks and dense forests of the
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Stealth checks, and Stealth is always a class skill for you. This trait bonus increases to +2 in hills or
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or oneshot adventure.
Request Away., Wandering Elf (Eriador): You have not had a permanent home for a long time, preferring to travel far
17 minutes ago by and wide to see the beauty of Middleearth before you must leave it forever. You gain a +1 trait bonus on
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Survival checks and it is always a class skill for you.
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Kip's Lost Mine of Exiled (High Elf): Your people were banished from the land of the Valar long ago, and you long to prove
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by GM Kip yourself worthy that you might one day return. Your resolve gives you a +1 bonus on Will saving throws.
Talanor, the Bright Tower, Forrester (Silvan Elf): You gain a +1 trait bonus on Craft and Profession checks to create items made of
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League of Adventurers Issue Light of Aman (High Elf): The light of the Two Trees of Valinor is reflected in your eyes. You gain a +1
one: Stuck in a hole, waitin bonus on Intimidate checks against evil creatures.
on the man., 1 minute ago Melian’s Gift (Grey Elf): The grace and beauty of the Queen of Doriath lives on in your people. You gain
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a +1 trait bonus on Perform (dance) and Perform (sing) checks.
DM Papa.DRB Wrath of the Rivalry (Any): If a dwarven ally drops an enemy to 0 hit points, gain +1 circumstance bonus on your
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next attack roll.
Grimstalk Servant of a Great Lord (Wood Elf): You have spent time in the house of a great Elflord, serving his
daily needs. You gain a +1 trait bonus on Knowledge (nobility) checks and Diplomacy checks when
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Breach, 2 minutes ago by speaking to someone above your station. One of these skills (your choice) is always a class skill for you.
jemstone Suspicious (Grey Elf): Your people have been betrayed time and again by outsiders in friendly guise. You
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Crown Gameplay, Treefriend (Any): You gain a +2 trait bonus to Diplomacy checks when conversing with intelligent
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plants.
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Wine Connoisseur (Any): Elves love a good wine, and even the most stoic Elf is known to be quite
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merry after a few drinks. You gain a +2 trait bonus to Appraise checks to determine the value of alcoholic
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Elrostar Jul 17, 2012, 11:13 pm | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
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1: The Jólboð, 5 minutes ago I'm curious why you decided to give Sindar +2 STR. It seems like an odd choice. I +
by Tassidar Edasseril would think that CHA would make more sense?
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beginners Discussion, I haven't really looked in PF Middle Earth, so there may be considerations involved that I'm
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Brambleman Jul 18, 2012, 11:09 am | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
Very nice. +
Elrostar wrote: +
I'm curious why you decided to give Sindar +2 STR. It seems like an odd choice. I would
think that CHA would make more sense?
It may have been a rash decision, but I mostly relied on the fluff text in the MERP core
rulebook. From my reading of The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, the difference
between the three Elven races didn't really jump out at me. But I knew I wanted them to be different
mechanically for a game. So I cheated. MERP says they're more muscular than Silvan elves and more quiet
and contemplative than other Elves, which implies a high Wis. All Elves have high Dex, so that gives me
three stat boosts. Noldor on the other hand are definitely all about powerful personalities and bad decisions
(like starting a war and betraying your friends because you want your pretty baubles back).
MERP is Middleearth Roleplaying by the way. It was a game that was out in the 90's. Very good resource
for Middleearth fans but it also has a lot of annoying flaws that I'm trying to fix.
Elrostar wrote:
I haven't really looked in PF Middle Earth, so there may be considerations involved that I'm unfamiliar with.
I'm not familiar with PF Middleearth. Is that a group?
Shalafi2412 Jul 19, 2012, 02:04 pm | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
Are there halfelves in Middle Earth? +
Turgan Jul 19, 2012, 02:17 pm | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
Elrond ist the most famous halfelf. But he decided to be on the elvish side of life. +
His daughter Arwen also is halfelf, but she chose the human side. Though humans are
very different from each other in MiddleEarth.
Kiren Tanariel Jul 19, 2012, 05:11 pm | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
Yes, but they are quite rare. IIRC there were only 3 unions of men and elves in the +
Tolkien canon. As Turgan said, the halfelves choose to be mortal or not, and this choice is
passed on to their offspring. Elrond's sons Elladan and Elrohir are also mentioned
somewhere.
Elrond was the son of Eärendil the Mariner and Elwing the White. Eärendil was the +
son of Tuor, a Man, and Idril, an Elf. Elwing was the daughter of Dior, who was the son of
Beren, a Man, and Lúthien, an Elf. Lúthien's mother was a Maia, a powerful angelic spirit,
sort of the equivalent of a Pathfinder celestial. So Elrond and all of his kindred have
human, Elven and divine blood.
Elrond's brother was Elros. The story goes that Elrond and Elros were given a choice at the end of the First
Age, of which kindred they wanted to belong to, Men or Elves. Elrond chose the Elves, but Elros chose
Men. Not because he wanted to be mortal and die, but because he saw them has "his people." It didn't go
all bad for Elros, however, because he got to be king of the great empire of Númenor.
All the kings of Númenor, all the kings of Gondor and Arnor, and the Chieftains of the Rangers were
descended from Elros, all the way down to Aragorn. People often joke about Aragorn and Arwen being
cousins, but they are cousins many, many generations removed. To give you an idea, it's about 6000 years
from Elros' time to Aragorn's time. But what this means is that Aragorn and all of his people (the
Dúnedain) share a little bit of Elven blood and divine blood.
So to answer your question, there are no halfelves like the halfelves in Pathfinder. I would make Elrond
and his children Elves for game purposes. I'll be writing up the Dúnedain soon and post them here.
There is the sticky issue of Prince Imrahil and the Men of Dol Amroth. Imrahil is a minor character that
shows up in The Return of the King. Supposedly, he and his people have Elven blood, but this is passed off
as sort of a folktale and not really explored. However, in some of his unpublished writings, Tolkien fleshes
out their story and reveals that they actually do have some Elven ancestry.
It's important to remember that Tolkien was constantly changing and adding things to Middleearth right
up to his death. So it's not necessarily "wrong" if you want to play a halfelf or some other creature that
wasn't explicitly mentioned in the books. You're just adding to the world that Tolkien began. :)
thejeff Jul 19, 2012, 08:18 pm | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY

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I'd say the early descendents of Elros and the occasional throwback, like Aragorn are pretty much D&D
HalfElves. You could argue that all the Dunadan are Halfelves. It's hard to say how much of the difference
between them and normal humans is genetic and how much is cultural. The longer lifespan (Aragorn was
~80 during the LoTR and lived past 200) is obviously genetic.
Obviously they're not exactly Half elves, not are they just like D&D half elves any more than Tolkien's elves
are D&D elves. His elves are so much better than humans in many ways that it doesn't take much elven
influence to make a big difference.
LazarX Jul 20, 2012, 08:46 am | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY

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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Are there halfelves in Middle Earth?
yes but you can count the total population at any one time on the fingers of one hand.
But they are not the HalfElves of Pathfinder/D20, they're something completely different and not fully
defined until each one of them makes the choice of their life path. Then they become something either
more elven, or more Manish.
Jeff Erwin Contributor Jul 20, 2012, 10:48 am | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY
Having worked on MERP on the unpublished Lindon book and played in Me for +
about 20 years, I think it's interesting what you're trying to do, but the stat bonuses seem
more designed for play balance rather than accuracy in terms of what Tolkien wrote.
Tolkien's Elves are more physically and mentally capable than humans. The scale of this
improvement varies from nearcelestial (i.e., the Noldor born in Valinor) to similar to the
Dunedain (the Woodelves). They are essentially high CR characters with no real penalties.
Not only according to Tolkien's essays do they have a better integration of mind and body (hence their
higher DEX, STR, CON) but their spirits have a closer affinity to the world, hence their "magic." Tolkien has
an essay on this in the compilation called Peoples of Middleearth.
The One Ring game attempts to balance this by giving humans and hobbits essentially greater
determination Elves don't apply themselves as assiduously to shortterm issues since they are immortal
and a greater destiny since the time when Elves could save or change the world passed during the
Second Age. But these are hard to express in PF terms. They aren't the heroes in the Third Age because
the story says so, and they are aware of that. The best way to show this, perhaps, is the old 1e way; they
tend to plateau in terms of class levels, though they have major stat bonuses to make up for it. But
startinglevel Elves are probably at least CR 6.
This isn't necessarily the fun interpretation, I note. For that, use something like the above...
thejeff Jul 20, 2012, 11:04 am | F LA G | LIST | F A Q | R E PLY

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That would be an interesting approach to running a Middle Earth game. Play up the humans and hobbit
characters by focusing the story on them. The elves & dwarves can be tougher, more powerful characters,
but the humans and hobbits get the plotlines and story focus.
Obviously, this would all have to laid out to the players up front.
It's a very different approach to game balance, but with a good enough GM and the right group of players it
might work. I couldn't pull it off, but I'd play in it.
Jeff Erwin, thank you so much for your coments. It is so cool that someone who +
worked on MERP is looking at my work.
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