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Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen Exposed

Bismillahir Rahman nir Raheem

17. Al-Isra'.81 "Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its
nature) bound to perish."

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Table of Contents Page

Introduction to this Heretical sect. 3

The Hidden Kufr. 4

The Basis of their argument. 6

Jamaat-ul-muslimeen's Explanation to the Hadith. 7

Refutation. 8

Jamaat-ul-muslimeen and their Bayah. 9

Back breakers for Jamaat ul Muslimeen. 11

How to counter Jamaat ul Muslimeen. 12

Online Debate with Jamaat-ul-muslimeen. 16

Even a child can disprove their concept. 24

Latest Findings about the Jamaat ul Muslimeen - Masoodiyyah 26

Kufr Quotes - Jamaat ul muslimeen – Masoodiyyah 30

Shaikh Albaani on the word "Muslim" 32

The Open Challenge for an Online Debate once more. 34

Our second challenge to Jamaat ul muslimeen – Masoodiyyah. 35

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Introduction to this Heretical sect.

Although this Jamaat is an old one, many of us do not know about it, it
is however very important to warn people about it . Jamaat-ul-muslimeen was
formed in Pakistan by a person named "Syed Masood Ahmed". He was from the
"jamiat-e-ahl-e-hadith". He justified the forming of a new jamaat by the hadith of
"Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman". Many people think that this is just another average
Jamaat but it is not so. Unlike others this Jamaat considers every one else
besides them as Kaafirs. They consider themselves as the only ones destined to
salvation. This Jamaat can be proved wrong through many ways. Their beliefs
lead to the point that Islam was not understood properly untill the arrival of
Masood Ahmed in other words the Deen was not complete... because they are
the first ones in history to say that "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" is a name... read on to
know more...

They have an Ameer who they consider as a Khalifah.
According to them, the one who does not give Bayah to their Ameer will die a
death of Jahiliyyah. They do not pray behind any person who does not belong to
their Jamaat, as they consider him as a Kaafir ( read the article- The hidden
KUFR).

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Never in history did the Sahabah declare anyone else as "Kaafir" just because they have not given the Bayah (oath of allegiance). it reads: "When people of such sects are invited towards the base of Islam (Quran and Sunnah) they become redundant. And what is a person who lives in the era before Islam? "Kaafir" of course!! Because he has not accepted Islam. In other words he is a non-Muslim i. although they deny it. he is in Islam." This means that if a person is a member of their jamaat . 10 says." Here you can clearly observe that they have declared that all sects are not muslims or in other words kaafirs.org).4. that it does not call anyone else a "Kaafir". They practically reject the divine commands in the presence of teachings of their religious scholars and heroes. This is a true allegation against them. good or bad. The Hidden Kufr. on the face of it." To leave Jamaat-ul-muslimeen is to leave Islam. it's KUFR. The question is whether such a person remains a Muslim or not? For sure the reply will be in negative. on page no." To leave Jamaat-ul- muslimeen is to invite a death of ignorance (the era before Islam)". There are allegations against Jamaat-ul-muslimeen one of them being their declaration of every one else besides them as "Kaafirs".aljamaat. If you read their Urdu booklet "Faridha-e-ita'at-e-ameer" (The obligation of obedience to an Ameer). referring to the sects of Islam. And if he is not then he has not yet entered the fold of Islam.org) titled "The Distinctive Features of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" point no. the same points have been mentioned on its back side in Urdu with an extra point which says" Jamaat-ul-muslimeen kay paas jo kuch hai uska inkaar KUFR hai" which means that rejecting whatsoever they have is "KUFR". a "Kaafir".e. This jamaat claims. Further in point no. The following are proofs against them: If you read the article posted on their website (aljamaat. This is exactly how the Jews and the Christians were acting and now are acting. 11 they openly declare. We will also discuss about this (Bayah) later. 4 . which is in English. If you reject whatever they have. Finally if you read their book "Invitation to Haq" posted on their website (www.

they will say. "Whoever calls his brother as "O Kaafir" then it applies to one of them" Muwatta of Imam Maalik (56.. In the end Allah knows best !! 5 .. these points are enough to prove that they consider everybody else besides them as "KAAFIRS". Alhamdulillah. "You are not intelligent". Instead of saying.1) Hence we must refrain our tongues from such utterances of Jahiliyyah (ignorance). "you are dumb or foolish" they say. At this point we all must recall the saying of our Prophet (PBUH). There is no difference... "He is not a muslim". This is like so. "He is a Kaafir"...This Jamaat is tricky and plays with words.... only a clever usage of words. May Allah guide us.instead of saying.

The Basis of their argument . till you meet Allah while you are still in that state. but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. "Keep away from all those different sects. eat) the root of a tree. "If there is neither a Main body (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said." This Hadith is the basis of the formation of their jamaat. "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said." I asked. "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good. "Will there be good after that evil?" He said. "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. "What will its Dakhan be?" He said. You will see their actions and disapprove of them. Little evil)." He said. "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." I asked. "Yes.Jamaat-al-muslimeen) and their Chief. there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell. but it would be tainted with Dakhan (i." I said. even if you had to bite (i." I asked.e. Read the Hadith carefully: The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good. will there be any evil after this good?" He said." I said. "Adhere to the Main body of Muslims (in Arabic .e. and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them). 6 . "Yes. The following is a hadith which is found in Sahih Al-Bukhari as well as Sahih Al- Muslim and also in a few other books of Ahadith. "Will there be any evil after that good?" He said. "Yes. "They will belong to us and speak our language. It was narrated by Hudhaifah Bin Al-Yaman." I asked. Once I said.

today.." Surah Hajj. Which is why they say sects are based upon the differences in names.. Hence whosoever is not a part of the Jamaat-ul-muslimeen he is not a "Muslim". if a person calls himself a "Hambali".e. Note: This Article only explains their interpretation. After reading out the Hadith to you they say that the things mentioned in the hadith about the people not practicing the traditions of the Prophet (PBUH) and the people inviting to the doors of hell refer to our period i.. even if he says he is a Muslim. he is a Kaafir. Secondly they say that everybody else besides "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" is a sect (firqa) destined to go to hell according to the hadith. 7 . They say we must leave all the sects and join the true one. They then say that because we have kept our Jamaat's name as so.g. Thirdly they say that according to this hadith the name of the jamaat in Islam should be "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen". For e. they become a sect that has gone astray. all people must join them or be destined to burn in hell. performs Hajj and even gives Zakat. They say that hence only the name Muslim should be used.He has named you Muslimeen before and in this (Quran). Fourthly they say that you must not call yourself anything other than the name "Muslim".e. fasts. proclaims Shahadah. prays salah.. he is out of Islam i.Jamaat-ul-muslimeen's Explanation to the Hadith. They say that Allah says in the Quran ". Whosoever has a name other than theirs.

e. Finally the hadith clearly says that the people inviting to the doors of hell will be among their skin ( hum fi jildatina) and they will speak their language. Fourthly the Prophet (PBUH) and the Salaf-us-Saleh (Sahabah. etc) . it does not relate to sects in differences of beliefs. instead of following the Hadith are opposing it. Ahl-us-sunnah. "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" only means "a Group of Muslims" or "Main body of Muslims". Ahl-ul-jama'ah. Tabayeen & Tabe Tabayeen) never said that one should call himself a muslim ONLY. but not to form a new jamaat. Thirdly the hadith in reference speaks about what to do in times of disunity (political) and in the absence of the Main body of muslims (Khilafah). which is a term used for Khilafah. This will shatter their argument because they give explanations by their own desires and do not follow the explanations of the Salaf-us-Saleh (Sahabah. Hence they. Refutation. Tabayeen & Tabe Tabayeen). And the Jamaat was called (Ahl-us-sunnah-wal-jama'ah. This was never the command of the Prophet (PBUH). which says what a muslim should do before there is Ijma' upon a Khalifah i. which is what they did. It never says to form a new jamaat. the person who wrote the "sharah"-commentary Fath-ul-baaree (13\35) of Sahih al-Bukhari. He only said to stay away from all sects even if you have to die. First of all one point is enough to disprove them and that is the explanation of "Hafiz Ibn Hajar". Hence the prophecy does not apply to non-Arab sects. as they suggest. This is a clear innovative belief.e.Secondly nowhere in the Quran and Hadith is it ever mentioned that "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" is the name of the jamaat. Neither did the Salaf-us- Saleh ever say such a thing nor can it be traced back to the Islamic history. actions or NAMES but political sects. Hence this relates to the political scenario in the Arab world. before agreeing upon a Khalifah and the unity and disunity talked about in the hadith is of a political nature i. Tabayeen & Tabe Tabayeen) . this is also an innovative belief because there were a lot of names that were used by them( Mo'mineen. Therefore it is quite clear that they will be Arabs speaking Arabic. 8 . ibaadallah etc). Whatever they say can never be traced back to the Salaf-us-Saleh (Sahabah.

" Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8. This hadith." Sahih Muslim Hadith 4562 Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Omar. that is because they gave the pledge without consulting the other muslims. are to be supported. gives such a solution or teaches that every body else are Kaafirs. "One who withdraws his hand from obedience (to the Ameer) will find no argument (in his defense) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment. So if a person (a normal muslim) does not give Bayah he is not a muslim and no member of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen is supposed to pray behind him or attend his marriage or even reply to his greetings (Salaam). But when there is no Khilafah then a normal muslim who cannot do anything will not be put to blame. or any other Hadith for that matter. Jamaat-ul-muslimeen and their Bayah. No where does the hadith of Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman. They use the following hadith for their argument : The Prophet (SAW) said. 9 . neither that person. Now here if they LIE that they consider all as muslims then their manhaj (way) goes against the above saying.817 Narrated by Ibn Abbas. The Jamaat-ul-muslimeen say that whosoever does not give the Bayah to their Ameer he will die a death of ignorance. Or they simply have no other alternative but to say that all others are Kaafirs. of course. They have declared their Ameer as Khalifah by giving Bayah. and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Ameer) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahiliyyah. lest they both should be killed. nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given. At this juncture it would be fit to mention a saying of Omar (RA) : "Whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody among you without consulting the other Muslims. The Hadith only says to keep away and not to form a new jamaat. applies to the time when there is Khilafah. They use this hadith and say that after taking Bayah a person becomes a Muslim. These are their rules.

They both have Khalifas and they take Bayah and do not accept each other . Jamaat-ul-muslimeen's methods lead to a lot of Factionalism.A). This is what we mean by factionalism. And from the Pakistan's Jamaat-ul-muslimeen there has also emerged a new group called the "Jamaat-ul-haq". That is when the Ummah has not yet agreed upon one Khalifah. 10 .Lastly the Hadith of Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman says to leave all and not to start a new Jamaat by taking Bayah. The above mentioned saying of Omar (R. All these groups are making a mockery of Islam and should be stopped. You might like to know that there are two groups (in our knowledge. if read in its context talks about what not to do at times when there is no Khalifah. This is the beauty of Islam which teaches us unity and not to have hundreds of Khalifas or takers of Bayah. Allah knows best how many more really exist) by the name of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen.

1) What is a person who is not a member of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen? a) Muslim b) Kaafir Q.. But once they answer. Alhamdulillah they are back breakers for them. Q. They won't know the depth of these questions when asked.2) How does a person become a muslim? Q. The following questions should be asked to any member of Jamaat-ul- muslimeen..4) What did the people become after that (the end of that Khilafah)? a) Muslims b) Kaafirs 11 . Back breakers for Jamaat ul Muslimeen. The only answers we received were through e-mail and never one on one.. We have asked a few people from this jamaat these questions personally but none have answered. These questions should be asked in a straight forward manner to get precise answers.3) When did the Khilafah (started by the sahaabah) end? Q.. the refutation should be provided.

. Ali (R. where Ali (R.A) replied..A) did not call them Kaafirs.. neither that person." When such a big personality as that of Ali (R.A) was asked about the Khawarij. nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given. are to be supported.A) Khilafah. These are the questions to be asked to any member of Jamaat ul Muslimeen and how to refute their answers. "NO. How to counter Jamaat ul Muslimeen.. Islam is for unity...1) And we also have a beautiful historical example. If they say that every body else is a Kaafir then they are going against the saying of the Prophet (SAW): " Whoever calls his brother "O Kaafir" then one of them is a Kaafir" Muwatta of Imam Maalik (56.A): "Whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody among you without consulting the other MUSLIMS. they are trying to run away from kufr. then no one is supposed to take bayah as a Khalifah.. 12 . This is so because Islam does not want Hundreds of Khalifas taking bayah.817 Narrated by Ibn Abbas. declared many Sahabah as Kaafirs and Renegades (Murtads) and started killing Muslims. did not give bayah. lest they both should be killed..A) did not declare them Kaafirs. The first question's answer: "What is a person who is not a member of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen?" If they say that every body else are muslims then their Manhaj (methodology) goes against the following saying of Umar (R. Note: Read the article "The hidden kufr" carefully and memorize the points mentioned therein to counter their answer for this question." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.who are we? Even though the Khawarij rejected Ali's (R. And unless and until there is no agreement upon a Khalifah. "Are they Kaafirs?" and Ali (R..

" Sahih Muslim Hadith 4562 Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Omar. History of Islam has been a witness from the time of the Prophet (SAW) that a person becomes a muslim by proclaiming Shahadah and he remains one by fulfilling the rest of the four pillars of Islam. 13 . "By giving bayah". Hence their beliefs are not approved. not that we must start looking for one or make one ourselves. And if they say that a person becomes a muslim by reciting the "Kalimah" then refer to the first question's answer. First of all they will not be sure. The Prophet and the Sahabah never said that a person becomes a muslim by giving bayah." (Bukhari and Muslim). Ask them to provide solid evidence from the Quran and Hadith. This applies only when a Khalifah is present. This hadith does not speak of a person becoming a MUSLIM or about how to become a muslim. This was never the way of the Prophet (SAW) and the Sahabah . They might quote the following: "One who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (bayah) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance). for the Prophet (SAW) said: "Whoever does something not approved by us will have it rejected. How does a person join this jamaat? They will answer. but if they answer as above then this is another innovative concept. The Jamaat-ul-muslimeen should fear Allah and stop these innovations.The second question's answer: "How does a person become a muslim?" They will answer that "By joining Jamaat-ul-muslimeen". The text is absolutely right but the context in which they use it is wrong.

then read the following: 1. neither that person. They will most probably answer "After Omar bin Abdul Aziz. All the major muhadditheen (scholars of hadith) like Imam Bukhari & Imam Muslim came after him. nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given. 3. 14 . 4. the 12th Khalifah" This answer will help us in our next question.. Many narrators of ahadith came after him.The third question's answer: "When did the first Khilafah end?" This question is only for information's sake.. All the Imams (of fiqh) also came after him. lest they both should be killed. And here is the punch: If they say that every one after the end of Khilafah of Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz became a Kaafir or apostate or even a renegade (murtad) .. The fourth question's answer: "What did the people become after that (End of that Khilafah)?" If they answer muslim then it means that they (the people) remained muslim even after the end of Khilafah which means that khilafah is not a requirement to be a muslim and this proves that there were still muslims present at the time when Masood Ahmed formed his jamaat by taking bayah. If you corner them from this angle then they have no other alternative but to say "Kaafir".. which goes against the following saying of Omar (RA): "Whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody among you without consulting the other MUSLIMS.. are to be supported.817 Narrated by Ibn Abbas.." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.... 2. The Khilafah of Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz ended in around 98 Hjrah.

The above mentioned points are. Al-hamdulillah. hence their concept leads to kufr and it finally leads to the rejection of Ahaadith and books like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. the above mentioned people (2. because in the chain of narrators you will find according to them many non-muslims or apostates (May Allah forgive us for such utterances)!!! Hence this Jamaat leads to madness and Kufr. Persons with Ikhlas (sincerity) will definitely leave this jamaat.3&4) are all Kaafirs (May Allah forgive us for such utterances)!!!!! And a Kaafir's hadith cannot be accepted. keeping Jamaat-ul-muslimeen's concept. May Allah guide us all !! 15 .Considering the above points. People with evil intentions will never leave it. enough for a person with right intentions to leave this jamaat.

For that you have to stick to Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen as it is the command of ALLAH and His prophet.A person becomes a muslim by witnessing the oneness of ALLAH and the prophethood of prophet Muhammad (Sallallh-u-Aliahi-wa-Sallam). 2. 4. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah alone. and whomsoever He leaves astray cannot be guided. Allah knows best what they became after that we are answereable for that which we know not what they did." Their email address: info@aljamaat. I received your answers to my four questions and here is my response: 16 . with no partner or associate. the brightest era of lslam ended as is in Saheeh Bukhari. A person who is not in Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen is in Firqa's.org Notice the cleverness with which they have answered. Whomsoever Allah guides cannot be misled. The following were the answers received from them (e-mail) to the back breaking questions: "Here you go: 1. we praise Him and seek His help and forgiveness. We seek refuge with Allah from the evil of our own selves and from our evil deeds. Online Debate with Jamaat-ul-muslimeen. and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.After the 12 khaleefa's . 3. and acting upon Islam as well. The reply given to them was as follows: (Note: You have to be aggressive against them) "Praise be to Allah.

follow Islam and be with Jamaat ul muslimeen as it is the command of Allah and his Messenger.. Your Kufr is clear over here. 17 . Pity. My question was not about a person being in a firqa or not? as you have cleverly answered or should I say cleverly "avoided". VERY CLEVER AND SELECTIVE INDEED. It seems that you have added another Pillar to the pillars of Islam which is an innovation. Why do you have to specifically mention about Jamaat ul muslimeen. The actual question was: whether he is a MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? MUSLIM OR KAAFIR? NOW IS IT CLEAR? Please answer to the point (Choosing one) and dont try to be clever!! To the second answer:- How does a person become a muslim? you answered that.. By testifying that there is no god but Allah .To the first answer:- I think you do not understand simple English. Because you are IGNORANT about matters of fiqh you do not know the difference between FARDH (compulsory) and WAAJIB (obligatory).that Muhammad (S) is his last messenger. why don't you also mention about growing a beard as it is also the command of Allah and his Messenger.

Hence it is clear from your answer that you consider only your jamaat people or people who are a part of you as muslims and the rest as KAAFIRS for which you are famous. 18 . Now if a person says that "i do not know whether these muhadditheen were muslims or not" (as in effect you have) then he is "OUT OF ISLAM" because he in turn has rejected all the Ahadith which are based upon their authority. When the Prophet (S) was asked about "What is Islam?" he never said what you said. To the fourth question:- What did the people become after that? You said you don't know and its not your business. To the third answer:- When did the Khilafah end ? You said after 12 Khalifas.. This is only a key to open the door to prove your kufr through the fourth question which will be a back breaker.. This Khilafah ended before the era of the great muhadditheen Eg: Imaam Bukhari and Imaam Muslim RAHIMA HUMULLAH.What is your opinion about Shaikh Albanee And Shaikh bin Baaz who were not of your jamaat ? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? ARE THEY MUSLIMS OR NOT? I HAVE TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND SIMPLE ENGLISH. the last Khalifah was Umar bin Abdul Aziz (or be it any other man for that matter).. according to your jamaat people. Well listen to this . Refute if you are on HAQ. And a Non Muslim's hadith cannot be accepted .

I think you still have not told us who you are and which sect do you belong to and whatever sect you belong to please prove it's existence from the days of the prophet ( Sallallh-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam ) and his companions." After this reply form us. PLEASE PONDER OVER YOUR HOPELESS SITUATION AND IF YOU FEEL CORNERED AND CANT ANSWER THEN FEAR ALLAH AND SEEK HIS FORGIVENESS FOR YOU HAVE INDEED "INNOVATED" IN ALLAH'S DEEN. Jamaat-ul-muslimeen said: "Dear Baatil Firaq Destroyer.HENCE YOUR AQEEDAH LEADS TO KUFR AND HENCE YOUR ARGUMENT IS BASELESS. " WERE THESE MUHADITHOON MUSLIMS OR NOT ? BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY CAME AFTER THE 12 KHALIFAS" " WERE THESE MUHADITHOON MUSLIMS OR NOT ? BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY CAME AFTER THE 12 KHALIFAS" " WERE THESE MUHADITHOON MUSLIMS OR NOT ? BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY CAME AFTER THE 12 KHALIFAS" " WERE THESE MUHADITHOON MUSLIMS OR NOT ? BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY CAME AFTER THE 12 KHALIFAS" I HAVE TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND SIMPLE ENGLISH. LET ME ASK YOUR IGNORANT JAMAAT THIS QUESTION. THE CORRECT AQEEDAH IS THAT THE PEOPLE REMAINED MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TO PRESERVE THE MESSAGE OF ISLAM. PLEASE REPLY CLEARLY AND TO THE POINT IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS. 19 . May be you think you are over cloud nine for giving these very updated replies.. We will be extremely grateful.

if you say that only the muhadditheen were muslims and not anyone else then what about the narrators of ahaadith? In the chain of narrators of Ahaadith there are many non-muhadditheen. Now here are some points derived from our discussion: 1) According to you the Muhadditheen were not the part of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen (Khilafah). 2) As they were Muslims. 20 . this proves that Jamaat-ul-muslimeen's existence is not necessary for being a Muslim. Let us now compare your answers. In your first reply you said that you do not know what the people became after the end of the Khilafah. Let us not go anywhere but to the point. Awaiting your religious identification. Now the questions that arise are: What about people who are not muhadditheen? Were they Muslims too? i. Whomsoever Allaah guides cannot be misled and whomsoever He leaves astray cannot be guided. I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah alone. And in your second reply you were knocked to your senses and then you said that the Muhadditheen were Muslims who were of course among the people after the Khilafah. with no partner or associate.e. We seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of our own selves and from our evil deeds. we praise Him and seek His help and forgiveness." Then we replied: "Praise be to Allaah. you either counter question or you change the topic which is being discussed. A MUSLIM. I have received your answers and here is my response: It is human nature that when you are cornered and trapped by questions you cannot answer. they did not belong to any sect as they can't practice against Islam and Islam shuns sectarianism in all its evil forms. and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.If khilaafah ended it does not mean that there was no Muslim as all the Muhadditeen were Muslimeen and not any thing else.

then that without doubt means that people can be muslims without Khilafah. Insa'allah. Now here are your possible replies and their refutation: If you say "we dont know". then your Kufr is undoubted as you again have rejected Ahaadith. as you have in effect said in your first reply. 21 . then you are OUT OF ISLAM because you have then rejected all the ahaadith.So the question is. If you say "yes they were muslims". Hence we have to accept them as good Muslims who were very close to the Sunnah. If you say "no they were not muslims". And then it means that there were MUSLIMS PRESENT AT ALL TIMES. You also said that the muhadditheen did not belong to any sect. There is a misconception among you people that the people who will go to heaven are not a sect. The principles do not even accept a hadith from a person who practices Bid'ah leave alone non-muslim. now I shall prove. "Were these people also Muslims or not?" "Were these people also Muslims or not?" "Were these people also Muslims or not?" "Were these people also Muslims or not?" Because according to the principles of the science of hadith only a Muslim narrator can be accepted. that the one which will go to heaven is also referred to as a sect in ahaadith.

Hence we have to believe that the sects mentioned in the above hadith are only related to Aqeedah. If you have a some brains. prove it! Hence your aqeedah is baseless and you have no proof. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. can understand clear langauge and don't have any pre-conceived notions then observe the following hadith: Rasool allah (peace be upon him) said:" There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il. I pity you. Whoever has the right aqeedah is among the saved group that will go to heaven. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger.We don't know from where you got this innovative concept. 171) Ummah of Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon him) Total sect/s = 73 Sect/s that will go to hell = 72 Sect that will go to heaven = 1 Where is it ever mentioned that it is not a sect? Our answer is nowhere. which is that?Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong. The presence of Khilaafah is not neccessary for being in it. (Tirmidhi. then there will not be 73 sects but thousands of them. Did the muhaddithoon belong to the Group that will go to jannah or not? Did the muhaddithoon belong to the Group that will go to jannah or not? Did the muhaddithoon belong to the Group that will go to jannah or not? Did the muhaddithoon belong to the Group that will go to jannah or not? Our answer is yes they did.. 22 . and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy- three sects. That group is only based on the "Aqeedah" of The Prophet and the Sahaabah. so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that. My name is not necassary at the moment but regarding my religious identification "I AM A MUSLIM" and I belong to the Saved group according to my aqeedah as it is in accordance with the Prophet (S). Because if you say that every individual group should be counted as a sect. the Salaf and the Ashab ul Hadith (Muhaddithoon) who had the same aqeedah as well. WHAT IS YOURS? If the above calculation is wrong.

. The Day of judgment and divine destiny (taqdeer). if you don't answer it now I WILL ANSWER IT QUOTING YOUR OWN LITERATURE) Q1) What is a person who is not a member of your Jamaat? a) Muslim b) Kaafir (Note: a person can only be a Muslim or a Kaafir there is no third thing) Q2)What are the narrators. here are the questions: (Note: the first question has not been answered to the point from the very beginning." After this answer from us they never replied. who came after the Khilafah? a) Muslims b) Kaafirs c) We dont know (we are ignorant) Q3) Did the muhaddithoon belong to the group that will go to heaven? a) yes b) no c) We dont Know (we are ignorant) Answer to the point and not missing out on any. His Books. who give their own interpretations according to their desires. who are not muhadditheen. Salaf us Saalih. tabaeen and tabe tabaeen i. His Angels. I believe in interpreting the Quran and Ahaadith According to the understanding of the Prophet and the Sahaabah.. Now just incase you have forgotten.I Believe in Allaah...e. 23 . you will know the state of your Islam... And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path... Based on your response.. Unlike you. His Messengers.

The same applies to Arabic !!! Jamaat-ul-muslimeen is not a proper noun at all!!. 24 . And above all The Prophet and the Sahabah never said that Jamaat-ul- muslimeen is a "NAME". They say that Jamaat-ul-muslimeen is the name of the jamaat. it is a proper noun. The Jamaat-ul-muslimeen must fear Allah and repent for they have indeed innovated in Allah's religion. and any other name is not acceptable. Let us now study what they say from the grammatical point of view. Even a child can disprove their concept. Group is an adjective (any word that describes a noun) and muslims is a noun. And every innovation leads to Hell fire. let him take his seat in Hell-fire. i." Sahih sunan Ibn Majah (1/11/28).e. No person on earth who knows a bit of Arabic grammar would ever say this. He would answer in English " a Group of muslims" Now look at the following sentence : "I saw a Group of Muslims" Any little child who knows some grammar. Further more because of this innovation they have declared many as Kaafirs. The people of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen LIE and say that the prophet said that "Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" is the name of the jamaat. Now ask an Arab what does it mean. Let them know this hadith as well: "He who deliberately attributes a lie to me. if asked about the above would say. Hence the people of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen have no strong basis in their argument. Take now the Arabic words Jamaat- ul-muslimeen.

Insha'allah.Please keep this in mind Jamaat: adjective Muslimeen: noun This will shatter their baseless arguments and beliefs. Allah is the guide to the straight path ! 25 .

"Q # 14: Do you refer to books written by Albani or Ibn Baaz etc? Answer: 26 . Latest Findings about the Jamaat ul Muslimeen - Masoodiyyah Under this section.The liar. news and new research to prove Jamaat ul Muslimeen's kufr to the world. Read their answer carefully. 2). Muhammed Ishtiaq. 1)New findings about their beliefs regarding Ahadith (the second source of Islamic Law). we will Insha'Allah be dealing with all the latest happenings. 6) Masood Ahmed . 3). How they "automatically" became the chosen ones: :-) 4). ------------------------------- 1)New findings about their beliefs regarding Ahadith (the second source of Islamic Law). The following is a question posted on their website in the QA column. Imam??? 5) Masood Ahmed and another one of his lies. A lecture in Urdu refuting Jamaat-ul-muslimeen.

How they "automatically" became the chosen ones: :-) Look at the following statement from their website. It can be clearly understood from their answer that they don't trust anyone. "We do our own research". ------------------------------------------------------- 3). You would need real player. we came across a lecture in Urdu by Shaikh Abdullah Naasir Rehmani." You cant get more ridiculous than this. The following is taken from one of their books: 27 . A lecture in Urdu refuting Jamaat-ul-muslimeen. --------------------------------------------------------------- 2). Muhammed Ishtiaq.com).quransunnah. We doubt whether their "learned" Ameer or any Tom. If you wish to listen please click here. :-) --------------------------------------------------------- 4).Imam?? The Jamaat ul Muslimeen claim they follow the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions." To read original article click here. Their Kufr is clear here. we do our own research. Dick or Harry from Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen knows the number of the different types of Hadith leave alone their names. The lecture is in two parts. While doing some research on the internet. (The article is "Why was Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen revived?") "We are ordered to remain united and in the form of one Jamaat. and in practice of sunnah they named their Jamaat Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen. However that is just a claim.We refer to all books but it is not necessary that we might agree to a hadith which Albani or anyone etc declared Sahih or dhaeef. so Masood Ahmad and his friends automatically became Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen by following Quran and Sunnah. Refer to the online debate to know what happened regarding the Ahadith. we could not stop laughing. this unity of Muslimeen in the form of a Jamaat has been called Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen by our Prophet (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam). (source: www.

Any ignorant person (Jamaat ul Muslimeen is full of them) who doesn't know Arabic and who only reads the urdu part of the booklet would think that this Jamaat was mentioned in the Quran as well.Muslim" clearly mis-translates a verse from the word of Allaah. 28 . --------------------------------------------------------- 6) Another one here. This Jamaat wants to avoid using the word Mu'mineen since it goes against their kufr. Note how he has translated the word Ummat as Jamaat. They refer to Ishtiaq as Imam. Look here how he mistranslates again from the same booklet. "Ameer ul Mu'mineen" was the title given to a Khalifah. All this just to support his group and his takfiri aqa'id (beliefs). --------------------------------------------------------- 5) Masood Ahmed and another one of his lies. The Holy Quran. Quite clever. Never did the sahabah refer to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon him) or the Khalifas as "Imam" except for during salah. This time it's not the word of Allah but the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). This is not the way of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahabah. Masood ahmed in one of his books by the name "Hamara naam sirf ek . They come up with a new innovative titles like "Ameer-e- Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen".

He translates it as "Jamaat ul Muslimeen kay Ameer" which means Jamaat ul Muslimeen's Ameer.. Also the Arabic word "Imaamahum" would mean "their Imaam".". He continues the same hadith but for the second line. See below: The original Arabic text would be (transliteration): "Fa illam yakullahum jama'atun wala imaamun?".He translates every word except Jamaat al Muslimeen (for his selfish motives). Which would translate as: "And if there is no Jama'at and no Imam?". in English it would be: "If there is no Jamaat ul muslimeen... he deliberately removes the arabic text. Although looks very harmless but when the ignorant read it they are sure to believe that these are the exact wordings of the hadith." The following questions are to be asked: Why did he hide the Arabic text? Why did he translate the word Jama'at as Jamaat ul muslimeen? 29 .. Please note that Masood Ahmed used to call himself "Ameer of Jamaat ul Mulsimeen". But this man translates it as: "Agar jamaat ul muslimeen na ho.

The discussions were in the Urdu language below is a translation. The names of the persons (from Jamaat ul Muslimeen) who made these statements have been withheld. doesn't this prove that you consider everybody else as Kaafirs?" JM: "No no. In a casual living room discussion." 30 . WE : Jmexposed). Please note that we went to them as ordinary people seeking the truth and this is what we heard them say. Are you also a revert?" JM: "All of us (the members of Jamaat ul Muslimeen) are reverts (to Islam). It means if a person joins us and then leaves us. he is a Kaafir. During one of our discussions with them we asked a person from amongst them who was a muslim who joined them: WE: "There are a lot of reverts (converts to Islam) in your Jamaat. ----------------------------------- 3).. As we have had several interactions with them. We did not go to them for a debate during these quotes. 1). we will be dealing with what we heard them saying. (JM : a person from Jamaat ul Muslimeen ." No comments. 11 "To leave Jamaat ul Muslimeen is to leave Islam".Jamaat ul muslimeen - Masoodiyyah In this section. Insha'Allah. Although this would not be solid proof but it would still be and eye-opener for many. we were trying to prove to a person from their group that they are wrong: WE: "What is a person who is not a part of Jamaat ul Muslimeen?" JM: "He is a Kaafir. All these days we have been dealing with their concept as a whole but now let us analyze what they individually say. ----------------------------------- 2). One of our associates who left Jamaat ul Muslimeen had a discussion with one of their members on the points mentioned in the article "The Distinctive Features of Jamaat-ul-muslimeen" and this is what happened: WE: "You see it says here in point no. Kufr Quotes ." As you can see here it is pretty clear what he means by it..

p. Their Kufr is clear here. ----------------------------------- 4). It merely means (literally) a Farmer. "He has disbelieved. This person (JM) is a part of Jamaat ul Muslimeen for the past 14 years. One of their members on the word Kaafir. During a discussion about the end of the Khilafah: WE: "When do you think the Khilafah of the Sahabah ended?" JM: "The last Khalifah was Omar bin Abdul Aziz." 31 . 6). and His throne is above the seven heavens." It can be clearly understood here how they are trying to justify their claims.WE: "I was a part of your Jamaat and then I left you.288 Al-Balakhee reports that he asked Imaam Abu Haneefah about a person who does not know whether his Lord is in the heavens or on earth. There was actually a discussion on whether or not they consider all besides them as kaafirs or not: JM: "I don't know why people are afraid of the word "Kaafir". Every thing is self explanatory." No comments again. he was the twelfth one and after that every one (of the Ummah) became a Murtad (Apostate). because Allaah has said. "He has disbelieved because he has denied that He (Allaah) is above the heavens and whoever denies that He (Allaah) is above the heavens has disbelieved. and how Jamaat ul Muslimeen has sidelined this aspect of Islam. 'The most Merciuful is above the Throne (Taahaa 20:5)." Please refer to the online debate to see how to counter this effectively. "What if he then said that He (Allaah) is above the throne but he does not know whether the throne is in the heavens or on earth?" He (Abu Haneefah) then replied. This happened during a discussion on Aqeedah and its importance. ----------------------------------- 5). Abu Haneefah replied. Narrated by Abu Ismaa'eel al-Ansaaree in his book "al-Faarooq" and quoted in "al-'Aqeedah at-Tahaaweeyah. They easily call other Muslims as Kaafirs. So what am I?" JM: "A Kaafir. WE: Where is Allah? JM: I don't know." He (al-Balakhee) then said.

But if we were to ask. now. wanted to use the name "Muslim" only and nothing else. ‘I am not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?" At this point the Shaikh then began to explain in detail the importance of being upon the Book and the Sunnah in light of the understanding of the Salaf us- Saalih… Questioner: "In that case I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah with the understanding of the Salaf us-Saalih". this is not sufficient in these days. All of them – the Shi’ite Rafidi. Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient!". any Muslim from any of these sects with which we differ on account of aqeedah. Questioner: "Allaah has named us Muslims" and he recited the saying of Allaah Most High. ‘What is your madhhab’. like the Jamaat ul Muslimeen. Questioner: "Why?" Shaikh al-Albaani: "Do you find any of those whom we have just mentioned by way of example saying. the Nusayri Alawi – would say. his answer would not be any different to this word. I am a Muslim upon the Book and the Sunnah. "I am a Muslim". Shaikh Albaani on the word "Muslim" Shaikh Nasiruddin Al-Albaani (Rahimahullah) had a discussion with a person who. "He is the one who has called you Muslims beforehand. ‘I am a Muslim who is not upon the Book and the Sunnah’?" Who is the one who says." (al-Hajj 22:78) Shaikh al-Albaani: "This would be a correct answer if we were in the very first times (of Islaam) before the sects had appeared and spread." Shaikh al-Albaani: "This is not sufficient either". is this what you will say to him?" 32 . Shaikh al-Albaani: "When a person asks you about your madhhab. Hence. the Khaariji. Shaikh al-Albaani: "When it is said to you." Questioner: "In that case I say. what is your reply?" Questioner: "A Muslim".

and that is taking from the Salaf us-Saalih. Hence. since the best words are those that are few but indicated the desired intent. Shaikh al-Albaani: "What is your view that we shorten this phrase in the language. so we say. And Imaam al-Albaani emphasised the importance of the truth being distinguished from the falsehood – from the point of view of the basis of manhaj and aqidah.uk 33 . Source : www. the point is that naming with "Muslim" or "Sunni" is not enough.co. since everyone will claim that.Questioner: "Yes". ‘Salafi’?" End of quotation.albani. fundamentally. as opposed to the various sects and groups whose understandings are based upon those of their mentors and leaders and not that of the Salaf.

" We are still waiting for their response. Whomsoever Allah guides cannot be misled.jmexposed.com Very soon inshallah we will have a dot com domain and we will advertise heavily against Kufr and bid'ah (jamaat-ul-muslimeen). with no partner or associate. The one and only condition of the debate will be that we promise to have it posted as it is on our individual websites the way it goes to let the world know. 17 May 2005: "Praise be to Allah.. 34 .. We at Jmexposed organization strive for excellence in the field of islamic dawah. This will be an e-mail based debate.The Open Challenge for an Online Debate once more. and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. Alhamdulillah our website has a new look. We openly invite you to the truth.S: this e-mail will also be posted on our website) Ameer Jmexposed organisation. Three each.ly2. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah alone. We seek refuge with Allah from the evil of our own selves and from our evil deeds.. with six e-mails in total. and whomsoever He leaves astray cannot be guided. We are waiting for your response. Check this link www. The Following is an email sent by us to Jamaat-ul-muslimeen on Tue. we praise Him and seek His help and forgiveness. (P. If you wish we can have a serious online debate.

S: this e-mail will also be posted on our website)" We are still waiting for a response. Whomsoever Allah guides cannot be misled. 17 May 2005: "Praise be to Allah. We seek refuge with Allah from the evil of our own selves and from our evil deeds. with no partner or associate. The Following is an email sent by us to Jamaat-ul-muslimeen on Tue. we praise Him and seek His help and forgiveness. with six e-mails in total. and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. and whomsoever He leaves astray cannot be guided. 35 .Our second challenge to Jamaat ul muslimeen – Masoodiyyah. The one and only condition of the debate will be that we promise to have it posted as it is on our individual websites the way it goes to let the world know. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah alone. Three each. Jmexposed (P. This will be an e-mail based debate. If you wish we can have a serious online debate. Very soon inshallah we will have a dot com domain and we will advertise heavily against Kufr and bid'ah (jamaat-ul- muslimeen). Alhamdulillah our website has a new look. We at Jmexposed organization strive for excellence in the field of islamic dawah. We openly invite you to the truth. We are waiting for your response.

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