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duncan Why do cops hate us?

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Junior Member someone break into your home or had someone threaten your life?
Who would you call if any of these things ever did happen to you.
Registered: May 2007 Sure as he** not ghostbusters. The police don't hate people. What
Location: happens is people like Duncan here usually cause trouble such as
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break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens' possessions
that they work hard to attain. They lie to keep from getting
arrested, then they get angry because they do get caught and
arrested for their illegal behavior and act out. This causes veteran
police officers to be skeptical of everything that is said to them.
Do me a favor ask people like Duncan (the type of people that
cause headaches and pain for the LAW ABIDING citizen) who they
run to when they need help.
There are a**hole cops out there, but those are definately NOT the
majority.
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Have you ever had something stolen from

you? Have you ever had someone break into
your home or had someone threaten your life?
Who would you call if any of these things ever
did happen to you. ... [BLAH,BLAH,YAK,YAK,
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Typical, mindless, pro-pig propaganda BS that we've all heard
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"law enforcement" members of this forum. Either contribute
something original that sets you apart from your fellow pigs/pig
lovers, or hit the pike! We're really growing weary of the
redundancy.
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05-15-2007 11:36 AM

duncan "Have you ever had something stolen from you? Have you ever had
Moderator someone break into your home or had someone threaten your life?'
Registered: Jul 2003 Yep, my hard earned money was stolen form me by the state and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado gone to support tax consuming scum like you. I had a piece of
Posts: 9006 property stolen from me and the copsters did nothing to recover it.
"Who would you call if any of these things ever did happen to you.'
Why bother as the copster rarley ever do anyhting.
"Sure as he** not ghostbusters. The police don't hate people."
Sure they and we have alreayd seen your hatred of me and our
forum with the name calling.
" What happens is people like Duncan here usually cause trouble
such as break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens'
possessions that they work hard to attain."
And this is just a classic example of copscum expressing their

hatred for me on our forum. So why are you forced to lie copster?
"They lie to keep from getting arrested, then they get angry
because they do get caught and arrested for their illegal behavior
and act out. This causes veteran police officers to be skeptical of
everything that is said to them."
You're right, they or the copsters will lie to protect their jobs from
being eliminated by society.
"Do me a favor ask people like Duncan (the type of people that
run to when they need help."
I run to lawyer to help me when copscum like you break the law.
"There are a**hole cops out there, but those are definately NOT the
majority.'
Funny coming from an a$$hole like you. How does it feel to be in

the minority?
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Junior Member
Registered: Aug 2007 Have you ever had something stolen from you?
Location: Denver Have you ever had someone break into your home
Posts: 9 or had someone threaten your life? Who would
you call if any of these things ever did happen to
you. Sure as he** not ghostbusters. The police
don't hate people. What happens is people like
Duncan here usually cause trouble such as break
into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens'
possessions that they work hard to attain. They
lie to keep from getting arrested, then they get
angry because they do get caught and arrested
for their illegal behavior and act out. This causes
veteran police officers to be skeptical of
everything that is said to them.
Do me a favor ask people like Duncan (the type of
people that cause headaches and pain for the
LAW ABIDING citizen) who they run to when they
need help.
There are a**hole cops out there, but those are
definately NOT the majority.
I have had things stolen from me. What do cops do? Nothing. They
show up after the fact, mill around, exchange stories with each
other, and then leave. Do I get my stuff back? No. Do they catch
the person? No. Does this prevent future theft? Nope.

08-14-2007 06:56 PM
duncan and so why the **** do we need them?

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08-14-2007 10:48 PM
Darryl [QUOTE]Originally posted by ahager18

Senior Member [B]Have you ever had something stolen from you? Have you ever
had someone break into your home or had someone threaten your
Registered: Jul 2003 life? Who would you call if any of these things ever did happen to
Location: you. Sure as he** not ghostbusters. The police don't hate people.
Posts: 755
What happens is people like Duncan here usually cause trouble
such as break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens'
possessions that they work hard to attain. They lie to keep from
getting arrested, then they get angry because they do get caught
and arrested for their illegal behavior and act out. This causes
veteran police officers to be skeptical of everything that is said to
them.
There are a**hole cops out there, but those are definately NOT t
h==========================
Yes i have been stolen from, the group is called the pinal county
task force paul Trough was their leader they are cops, they tried to

steal five properities from me, ever hear of civil asset forfeiture,
they also stole cash from me and many other things.
Come help me veteran police officer, you are not no veteran police
officer or else you would know the truth.
Ducan when I came on this website 6 years ago looking for help
was the only one who responded to me and helped me.
**** you p-=- I have more information crooked cops then you can
dream about .
The police are the drug dealers.
I do not have to ask Ducan nothing??
I am a law abiding citzen who built a company that trades on the
new york stock exchange called Labor ready, who pays many of
your scum your wages.
So contact me boy, and I will pay your way to see me, and wwe will
discuss corrupition or shut the f--- up. I haVE had my fill of you
dummies.
So any more questions, Boy?
08-15-2007 03:45 AM
Darryl quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2003 Have you ever had something stolen from you?
Location: Have you ever had someone break into your home
Posts: 755 or had someone threaten your life? Who would
you call if any of these things ever did happen to
you. Sure as he** not ghostbusters. The police
don't hate people. What happens is people like
Duncan here usually cause trouble such as break
into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens'
possessions that they work hard to attain. They
lie to keep from getting arrested, then they get
angry because they do get caught and arrested
for their illegal behavior and act out. This causes
veteran police officers to be skeptical of
everything that is said to them.
need help.
definately NOT the majority.

08-15-2007 03:48 AM
Darryl Most of us are no more scared of a crimmal or a cop.

Senior Member I will waste any crimmal badge or not if I have no other choice.
I am anti crimmal *** or not.
Registered: Jul 2003 I was raised in the naive sense of all cops were good...
Location: DUUUHHHH I was a dummy.
Posts: 755
Know I know better.
I will waste a crimmal or a badge wearing crimmal in a second. and
I will die or spend the rest of my life in prision if I have too.
You have your fellow ***gies to thank for that. I believed in you
bastards, and you screwed me.
\
The police have a long history of being crimmals. I trust ducan long
before I trust you..
I do not think Ducan is a thief or a liar or is trying to steal my
home, I know the police are.
So f---- off punk and go to your cop websites, in the long run you
will ;lose. you also have honest people know the truth.
There is not many cops on this website anymore, we used to get
hammered years back, me Duncan, and I cannot remember the
other crazy bastards name from South Dakota, know not many
cops are here.
There smarter than you and the dumb f----- that recently messed
with me.
I am going after you scum again (more then copwatch) If you are a
honest cop you will join us.
\Ducan knows the truth so take your rookie ass, somewheres eles
boy.
08-15-2007 04:06 AM
AVENGER ahager18:
Senior Member "Have you ever had something stolen from you? Have you ever had
someone break into your home or had someone threaten your life?"
Yeah, and they didn't even question the person I KNOW broke in,
so I took care of it myself. I've had people threaten me, hit me with
bottles, jump on me 8 to 1, and again, you porkies did NOTHING.
So who will I call? Certainly not you useless scum.
Registered: Feb 2007 ahager18:

Location: This is hell. "What happens is people like Duncan here usually cause trouble
Posts: 679 such as break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal other citizens'
possessions that they work hard to attain. They lie to keep from
getting arrested, then they get angry because they do get caught
and arrested for their illegal behavior and act out. This causes
veteran police officers to be skeptical of everything that is said to
them.


There are a**hole cops out there, but those are definately NOT the
majority."
Bullsh*t. I have no criminal record--not even traffic tickets. But I've

dealt with you smug, idiotic cowards since I was 15 years old and
every one of you is a piece of sh*t who enjoys harassing young
people and anyone who isn't a brainwashed lackey like yourselves.
Do me a favor and tailgate someone like myself--like you do every
day, as if it's any safer or legal when you porkies do it--and you'll
eat some bumper. When people ask me sheltered, moronic
questions such as, "Don't they do psychological screening on cops?"
I reply, "Yes, they do. What you fail to understand is that your
typical, fat, weak and stupid schoolyard bully will pass their test
with flying colors and be recruited immediately." They don't screen
out the scum, the scum are who they want--as long as it's THEIR
kind of scum--the kind with the wool.
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08-15-2007 01:55 PM
MileHigh yep....
Junior Member
quote:
Registered: Aug 2007
Location: Denver
Originally posted by duncan
Posts: 9
and so why the **** do we need them?
We DON'T. Here in Colorado, there are two instances of SWAT

teams being either cowards or incompetent or both. Example one?
Columbine High School. Chicken**** ***gys wouldn't enter the

building because they didn't know who was friend and who was foe.
Result? Those nut jobs inside the school got to pick and choose
their targets. how about this, go in, do your fuggin' job protecting

the public and shoot the people that have guns. Could they do that?
nope. They were too scared that they would get killed, so it was
better that a bunch of high school kids died instead of them. Cops
are cowards.
SWAT teams are only good at breaking into people's houses at

night and shooting unarmed "suspects." Tactically they aren't worth
a damn because they are just like the typical schoolyard bully.
Bullies are REALLY good at steamrolling weak opposition, sneaking

up on people and knocking them over, and abusing their stature.
SWAT teams and cops in general, just like bullies, don't know what
the hell to do when they meet real resistance. PERFECT example of
this is the bank robberies in LA in 1997.
There are reports that TWO MEN were able to hold 300 officers at
bay with some assault rifles. TWO MEN!!!! Why? Because the cops
were TOO AFRAID to go in there and make any sacrafices to end
the situation. I've seen footage of that whole mess, and those guys
would have lasted about ten seconds in a firefight against any
USMC/Army riflemen. What helped the gunmen out so much? The
inability and unwillingness of the LAPD/LA sheriffs Dept. to get in
there and do something.
Public safety be damned, the LAPD was NOT going to get into the
mix and do anything about the situation because they were afraid.
It is in their character to be weak in situations like this because
cops are bullies.
Last edited by MileHigh on 08-15-2007 at 06:45 PM
08-15-2007 06:30 PM
MileHigh almost forgot example two:

Junior Member
Bailey high school, in 2006. A gunman took a room full of high
Registered: Aug 2007 school kids hostage. SWAT attempts to negotiate with the gunman,
Location: Denver the gunman stops communicating with SWAT. So what does SWAT
Posts: 9 do? They decide to blow a hole in the wall and shoot the guy
through the hole.
Only problem is, they can't see the gunman, so they have to take
the door. Of course, by then, the guy knows what's up and shoots
one hostage when they take the door. If the cops knew what the
hell they were doing, this wouldn't have happened.
Most cops are INCOMPETENT at doing anything besides harassing

the public, abusing your civil rights, driving around as fast as they
can in their cars, and whining about ****.
What they are not COMPETENT at is preventing crime, finding crime

suspects, and fighting crime in any way. They are mildly competent
at responding to crimes and then leaving.
08-15-2007 06:37 PM
friend2no-thug OMG! Why do they ALWAYS resort to the SAME OL B.S.

"What the government is good at is questions that they really do not want an answer to?
collecting taxes, taking away your
freedoms and killing people.
quote:
Have you ever had something stolen from you?

Have you ever had someone break into your home
Registered: Jul 2007 or had someone threaten your life? Who would you
Location: Everett Washington call if any of these things ever did happen to you.
Posts: 190 Sure as he** not ghostbusters.
Yes, I have had something stolen from me & someone has

broke into my home among a few other nasty little things.
First off I have to say that OF COURSE I CALL A COP YOU
FREAKING IDIOT!, I call a cop because thats what I ( as is the
same as everyone else here at Copwatch, even Duncan!) pay
for. Whether or not you or any other cop actually does what it is
paid to do is entirely besides the point at this stage of the game
for me. I expect them to do ... nothing, I expect them to give
me an attitude and I even expect them to start arguing with me
on whether or not I need a police report.
The reason MOST of the American citizens call a cop when they
are victims of a crime is so they have the appropriate
paperwork for things such as insurance claims, restraining
orders ect... NOT BECAUSE WE ARE SO DILLUSIONAL AS TO
BELIEVE ANY COP WILL BE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO HELP . It
is an unforunate necessity once we have been the target of a
criminal, even a criminal wearing a badge.
quote:
What happens is people like Duncan here usually

cause trouble such as break into cars, buy or sell
drugs, steal other citizens' possessions that they
work hard to attain. They lie to keep from getting
arrested, then they get angry because they do get
caught and arrested for their illegal behavior and
act out.

SILLY COP, SILLY SILLY COP~ You have it all turned around in
your mushy lil head.
I personaly have not,nor have any of my friends or my family or
even any aquantances ever been victimized by Duncan or
anyone like him.
I have however, along with a member of my family and some
aquantances been victimized by cops. In fact funny thing is it
was cops, two of them, Snohomish County Sherrifs Deputies
that pulled a car over that was heading north on 112th in
Everett Washington in a school zone, the first deputy told the
driver to get out and open the trunk of his car the cop then
reached in, moved the tire and grabbed a large quantity of
methamphetimine. Cop knew exactly where it was and what he
was doing, then the other deputy pulled up and teh two spoke
for a moment then gave the suspect back his keys and told him
to get lost.
HHHHMMMM.... veteran officers my ass!
We, the veteran citizens are sick and tired of you the veteran
a88holes stealing, maming, murdering and dealing dope!
Get a clue, do some homework and move outta your glass
house.
You and your kind whine that " not all cops are bad" & " you
can't judge all of em cuzza one bad apple"
Well guess what!!! How about YOU ask your buddies about
judgement!
You Cops stop assuming EVERYONE WHO WANTS AND WILL
FIGHT FOR JUSTICE are people who...
quote:
cause trouble such as break into cars, buy or sell

drugs, steal other citizens' possessions that they
work hard to attain. They lie to keep from getting
arrested, then they get angry because they do get
caught and arrested for their illegal behavior and
act out.
How about you go volunteer your precious freakin time at the

county detox,or go to a homeless shelter and start mopping
floors, do something FOR THE PUBLIC cuz driving around in
your air conditioned car while people are stroking out from the
heat or
dying from an overdose or sitting in their own sh8t and vomit
because they are too sick to score DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
public service. You and yours are so quick to point your crooked
finger at people rather than do something to better our
communites, BE COP! GET OFF YOUR AS8 AND DO SOMETHING
FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. freakin hypocrital,good fer nothin,
jackass, self serving thugs.

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08-15-2007 10:43 PM
jimnbr quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Darryl
Registered: Sep 2007 [QUOTE]Originally posted by ahager18
Location: Looziana [B]Have you ever had something stolen from
Posts: 1 you? Have you ever had someone break into your
home or had someone threaten your life? Who
would you call if any of these things ever did
happen to you. Sure as he** not ghostbusters.
The police don't hate people. What happens is
people like Duncan here usually cause trouble
such as break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal
other citizens' possessions that they work hard to
attain. They lie to keep from getting arrested,
then they get angry because they do get caught
and arrested for their illegal behavior and act out.
This causes veteran police officers to be skeptical
of everything that is said to them.
need help.
definately NOT t
h==========================
Yes i have been stolen from, the group is called

the pinal county task force paul Trough was their
leader they are cops, they tried to steal five
properities from me, ever hear of civil asset
forfeiture, they also stole cash from me and many
other things.
Come help me veteran police officer, you are not

no veteran police officer or else you would know
the truth.
Ducan when I came on this website 6 years ago
looking for help was the only one who responded
to me and helped me.
**** you p-=- I have more information crooked

cops then you can dream about .

I am a law abiding citzen who built a company
that trades on the new york stock exchange
called Labor ready, who pays many of your scum
your wages.
So contact me boy, and I will pay your way to see

me, and wwe will discuss corrupition or shut the
f--- up. I haVE had my fill of you dummies.
You own Labor Ready?
I have dealt with them for years, what's your name?
And no, I'm not a cop. I work in the private design/build industry,
things such as power sub-stations, petro-chem capital
improvements, multi-million dollar developments.
Thanks.
09-19-2007 04:28 PM
duncan Such a busy fellow and yet you found the time to troll on our
Moderator website. And your cut and paste methods are quite exceptional.
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09-19-2007 08:52 PM
Willowseed You know guys, if you want the cops to answer a question, don't
Member attack them. Simple.
Registered: Aug 2007 As for the incident in Bailey, they knew where the gunman was.
Location: Every classroom had cameras in them. I know this well as I was
Posts: 88 living in another town that was competing with that HS and a
couple others for the federal funding. The program was to
incorporate video cameras in every classroom.
Coincidental that the camera wasn't working. Coincidental it's a

school that had the "new" system. Interesting coincidences. Really
sad the school district will sacrifice the lives of students for funding.
And AFAIC that's exactly what it was over. They had the "security",
and they had the cameras, they could have stopped a real threat.
09-20-2007 01:27 AM
11869 Re: yep....

Junior Member
quote:
Registered: Sep 2007
Location:
Originally posted by MileHigh
Posts: 12
We DON'T. Here in Colorado, there are two
instances of SWAT teams being either cowards or
incompetent or both. Example one?
Columbine High School. Chicken**** ***gys

wouldn't enter the building because they didn't
know who was friend and who was foe. Result?
Those nut jobs inside the school got to pick and
choose their targets. how about this, go in, do
your fuggin' job protecting the public and shoot
the people that have guns. Could they do that?
nope. They were too scared that they would get
killed, so it was better that a bunch of high school
kids died instead of them. Cops are cowards.
SWAT teams are only good at breaking into

people's houses at night and shooting unarmed
"suspects." Tactically they aren't worth a damn
because they are just like the typical schoolyard
bully.

Bullies are REALLY good at steamrolling weak

opposition, sneaking up on people and knocking
them over, and abusing their stature. SWAT
teams and cops in general, just like bullies, don't
know what the hell to do when they meet real
resistance. PERFECT example of this is the bank
robberies in LA in 1997.
There are reports that TWO MEN were able to

hold 300 officers at bay with some assault rifles.
TWO MEN!!!! Why? Because the cops were TOO
AFRAID to go in there and make any sacrafices to
end the situation. I've seen footage of that whole
mess, and those guys would have lasted about
ten seconds in a firefight against any USMC/Army
riflemen. What helped the gunmen out so much?
The inability and unwillingness of the LAPD/LA
sheriffs Dept. to get in there and do something.
Public safety be damned, the LAPD was NOT

going to get into the mix and do anything about
the situation because they were afraid. It is in
their character to be weak in situations like this
because cops are bullies.
And if the cops went in and killed students and teachers by not
knowing who was who, you chicken shi+, would be on that
bandwagon too. "why did they go in without some info, etc..."No
matter what a cops does, right or wrong you losers on here will
bash them anyways.
So get your kicks and let out your anger you jealous *****s
09-21-2007 04:11 PM

duncan Why of course it is a far better thing that the copsuckers do nothing
Moderator and allow the bad guy to murder innocent people.
Registered: Jul 2003 Remember Columbine!!!!!

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09-21-2007 05:04 PM

duncan My decision is to rid of us you and the cops and arm the people.
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09-21-2007 11:31 PM
Mack quote:
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Originally posted by AVENGER
They don't screen out the scum, the scum are
who they want--as long as it's THEIR kind of
scum--the kind with the wool.
Registered: Jul 2003 The truth can be seriously amusing.

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generally."
Justice Sanders, defending the right to forcibly resist false arrest, State v.

misconduct.

09-22-2007 12:55 AM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
Originally posted by friend2no-thug
The reason MOST of the American citizens call a

cop when they are victims of a crime is so they
have the appropriate paperwork for things such
as insurance claims, restraining orders ect... NOT
BECAUSE WE ARE SO DILLUSIONAL AS TO
Registered: Jul 2003 BELIEVE ANY COP WILL BE INTERESTED ENOUGH
Location: TO HELP .
Posts: 5215
CLASSIC!!
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generally."

misconduct.
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CLASSIC!!
No doubt, FriendToNoThug. You hit the nail on the head. The

bureaucracy forces us to comply with it's red-tape and its authority.
They provide no protection, but still jail you for protecting yourself
(if they don't like you) so you are stuck with the only remedy left:
call the police just to say you did and that they didn't do anything
Registered: Aug 2007 so when you take the law into your own hands, at least you tried!
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Originally posted by 11869
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09-22-2007 02:27 PM

Cataclysm I guess OfficerFriendly was not so friendly due to his temporarily

The People should not fear the banned status.
Government, the Government
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PoconoPuke They hate us because they are little more than state created
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Originally posted by Cataclysm
I guess OfficerFriendly was not so friendly due

to his temporarily banned status.
His "temporary" ban status is now permanent, since he not only

reregistered under a new name while banned (a direct TOS
violation), but also made threats to several members of the
Posts: 5865 forum under both names. IOW, a typical thugscum pig who
can't/won't obey rules. Hence, he's history.
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09-23-2007 09:18 PM
friend2no-thug Golly Gang looks like I missed all the fun!

"What the government is good at is Picking on the poor lil ol p0rky.
collecting taxes, taking away your
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09-24-2007 02:44 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Golly Gang looks like I missed all the fun!
Picking on the poor lil ol p0rky.

Posts: 5865 If you do a search under both of the names he used (11869 and

OfficerFriendly), you can still find egregious examples of his

porky stupidity scattered around the forum. As GC505 has
pointed out, we like to let their screeds remain posted to the
forum even after they've been banned. It helps provide proof to
those who still doubt it that most cops do indeed fit the
experience-based stereotype we hold of them.
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09-24-2007 03:54 PM
Cyruss Its better to handle things on our own is what the majority of us
Junior Member have learned. Its better when you have something stolen from you
to go out and get it back yourself. If you're assaulted its better to
Registered: May 2008 deal with things with your own strength. Calling the police will just
Location: complicate the situation and probably cause the police to turn
Posts: 7
against you.
A friend of mine once called the police because he ordered food

from the chinese store and they wouldn't give him his food or his
money. My friend was understandably upset the whole time but
didnt act out in a dangerous or disruptive behaviour. Once the
police arrived and he told them his story, they told him to leave! Of
course he tried to explain himself to the officers that he didnt have
anything to eat that night and every other store was closed at that
time. The cop that told him to leave then proceeded to grab my
friend as my friend turned his back to leave. The cop took this as
resisting arreset and choked him before slamming him on the
ground. As I stood there witnessing the cop relentlessly beating my
friend about 6 other cops surrounded me to make sure I wouldn't
jump in (which I absolutely was about to do) and asked me if I
wanted some too.
After the vicious beating he was hauled away to jail. Now tell me,

since when was it a crime punishable by beating to call the cops

when you've been wronged?? THIS is why people hate cops, they
punish the very people they're supposed to serve.
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ET(253) quote:
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Originally posted by jbleinweber
Maybe the rifle scope image on the "Aiming for
Freedom"?
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Posts: 29
touche
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"It was the remembrance of this scientific and religious absolute, of

this doctrine summed up in a word, of this word, in fine, alternately
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perhaps profaned in the celebrated order of the Templars, that
became for all the secret associations, of the Rose-Croix
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ET(253) ALso, those who have not been initiated into the Masonic lodge are
Junior Member referred to as the "profane living in spiritual darkness" which
obviously sets a pretty clear tone, especially for those Masons who
are cops and are continually forced to deal with junkies and real
criminals.
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10-01-2009 03:42 AM
duncan Alrighty then.

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10-01-2009 05:40 PM
ET(253) quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by ET(253)
ALso, those who have not been initiated into the
Masonic lodge are referred to as the "profane
Registered: Sep 2009 living in spiritual darkness" which obviously sets
Location: Puyallup Washington a pretty clear tone, especially for those Masons
Posts: 29 who are cops and are continually forced to deal
with junkies and real criminals.
that, and having them undertake certain kooky rituals that tell
them they are then living gods among the rest of us seems like a
pretty dangerous combination to me. No matter how you look at it
there is only one type of justice in this world and that's Masonic
justice. All you have to do to figure that out is read the Albert Pike
thread I started in the quotes section.
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10-01-2009 09:45 PM
duncan and this has what to do with my thread?

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nut jobs = cop plants or just plain ole nut jobs
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10-02-2009 05:57 PM
ET(253) quote:
Junior Member
and this has what to do with my thread?
Registered: Sep 2009 nut jobs = cop plants or just plain ole nut jobs
Posts: 29
haha what? Are you referring to me??? Just trying to shed some
light (no pun intended Freemasons) Excuuuuuuuuuuuse me for
trying to be helpful. I suggest you go take a gander at the Albert
Pike thread I began in the "Quotes" section if you'd like to know
how and why the world functions as it does. Hell, he even goes so
far as to explain why there are three branches of government
according to the occult theology that the Masonic occultists who
founded this country based their "New Economic Order" of the "New
World" upon. If you are unaware of these facts that means you are

either ignorant or a Masonic shill attempting to divert the discourse.

I've debated literally hundreds of you guys by now and I am
familiar with all the diversionary tactics. Time to wake up and do
your REAL due diligence.
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10-02-2009 10:11 PM
ET(253) Would you rather hear it from Plato instead? Is that what it's gonna
Junior Member take to convince you that maybe there's an entire piece to this
puzzle that you missed???
"At length they sieze upon the citadel of a young man's soul, which
Registered: Sep 2009 they perceive to be void of all accomplishments and fair pursuits
Location: Puyallup Washington and true words, which make their abode in the minds of men who
Posts: 29 are dear to the gods, AND ARE THERE BEST GUARDIANS AND
SENTINELS. And so the young man returns into the country of the
Lotus eaters, and takes up his dwelling there, in the face of all
men; and if any help be sent by his friends to the oligarchical part
of him, the aforesaid vain conceits shut the gate of the king's
fastness; and they will neither allow the embassy itself to enter, nor
if private advisers offer the fatherly counsel of the aged will they
listen to them or receive them. There is a battle and they gain the
day, and then modesty, which they call silliness, is ignominiously
thrust into exile by them, and temperance, which they nickname un-
manliness, is trampled in the mire and cast forth; they persuade
men that moderation and orderly expenditure are vulgarity and

meanness, and so, by the help of a rabble of evil appetites, they

drive them beyond the border. And when they have emptied and
swept clean the soul of him who is now in their power, AND IS
BEING INITIATED BY THEM IN GREAT MYSTERIES, the next thing is
to bring back to their house insolence and anarchy and waste and
impudence in bright array, having garlands on their heads and a
great company with them, hymning their praises and calling them
by sweet names." ~Plato's Republic Book 8
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10-02-2009 10:49 PM
ttownbeast quote:
Member
Registered: May 2009 [QUOTE]Originally posted by ahager18
Location: [B]Have you ever had something stolen from
Posts: 74 you? Have you ever had someone break into your
home or had someone threaten your life? Who
would you call if any of these things ever did
happen to you. Sure as he** not ghostbusters.
The police don't hate people. What happens is
people like Duncan here usually cause trouble
such as break into cars, buy or sell drugs, steal
other citizens' possessions that they work hard to
attain. They lie to keep from getting arrested,
then they get angry because they do get caught

and arrested for their illegal behavior and act out.

This causes veteran police officers to be skeptical
of everything that is said to them.
need help.
definately NOT t
h==========================
Yes i have been stolen from, the group is called

the pinal county task force paul Trough was their
leader they are cops, they tried to steal five
properities from me, ever hear of civil asset
forfeiture, they also stole cash from me and many
other things.
Come help me veteran police officer, you are not

no veteran police officer or else you would know
the truth.
Ducan when I came on this website 6 years ago
looking for help was the only one who responded
to me and helped me.
**** you p-=- I have more information crooked
cops then you can dream about .
I am a law abiding citzen who built a company
that trades on the new york stock exchange
called Labor ready, who pays many of your scum
your wages.
So contact me boy, and I will pay your way to see

me, and wwe will discuss corrupition or shut the
f--- up. I haVE had my fill of you dummies.
Hey I was one of your employees off and on LOL
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Jacoba quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by liberranter
Registered: Jun 2009 If you do a search under both of the names he
Location: used (11869 and OfficerFriendly), you can still
Posts: 439 find egregious examples of his porky stupidity
scattered around the forum. As GC505 has
pointed out, we like to let their screeds remain
posted to the forum even after they've been
banned. It helps provide proof to those who still
doubt it that most cops do indeed fit the
experience-based stereotype we hold of them.

Absolutely!!!
12-04-2009 03:07 AM
Manny86
Junior Member
Dumb ass ***s do hate us. I'm a Mexican American born and raised
Registered: Dec 2009 in Colorado. Been here longer then half of these ****ing ***s in
Location: Colorado
Posts: 6 eagle county. You know the kobe ***s. They said she was raped
bull **** she's a slut. The ****ing cop was friends with the family
and wanted to be the man to take him down. All you ***s are alike
black brown white you don't give a **** ull lie out ur ass to try to
make ur self look like a bad ass. Truth is half u ****s would end up
****ed up if not for that tarnished piece of crap u call a badge. I
get pulled over harrased by u ***s on a daily basis. **** off I don't
steal or sale drugs but bing brown while driveing is enough to get
pulled over. **** u dumb ass ***s. Lieing crack dealin ***s. If u
don't think so our cops sell drugs or give it to get sex. Look up vail
coke D.A vs Kobe. I know of this guy he got ****ed over by all u
***s to serve and protect ur own ass is all that's good for. I'd trust
a killer befor I trusted ur ass u dumb ****in ***.
12-10-2009 09:23 PM
mchtb1966 If anything, only the bad and exposed cops hate you guys.
Junior Member Personally, I wish that all of the corrupt cops were out of my line of
work. It would make my job THAT much easier.

Location: Louisiana
Posts: 10
06-22-2010 04:45 AM
Jacoba quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by mchtb1966
Registered: Jun 2009 If anything, only the bad and exposed cops hate
Location: you guys. Personally, I wish that all of the corrupt
Posts: 439 cops were out of my line of work. It would make
my job THAT much easier.
Then why not begin documenting their criminal actions, notify your
state agency that is usually tasked with investigations of local LE.

Present the evidence you document of criminal activity by your

fellow officers to your local DA or ADA?
If that don't work then find a hungry and intrepid reporter at your
local fish-wrapper or TV station and feed the information to them.
Start cleaning house yourself, instead of wishing them gone.
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Testilying: a portmanteau word from "testify" and "lying."
The police practice of giving false testimony in a criminal
trial, typically for the purpose of "making the case" against
someone they believe to be guilty when legal technicalities
weren't followed to the letter during the arrest, or while
searching.
If the first step towards madness is to see connections

between random events where there are none, what is it to
pretend that undeniable connections don't exist?
06-22-2010 07:46 AM
mchtb1966 quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Jacoba
Then why not begin documenting their criminal
actions, notify your state agency that is usually
Registered: Jun 2010 tasked with investigations of local LE. Present the
Location: Louisiana evidence you document of criminal activity by
Posts: 10 your fellow officers to your local DA or ADA?
If that don't work then find a hungry and intrepid

reporter at your local fish-wrapper or TV station
and feed the information to them.
Start cleaning house yourself, instead of wishing

them gone.
I can only control my neck of the woods, where officers have done
jail time and been fired for their actions. However, I still run across
the occasional person who complains of police mis-conduct in other
areas of the country. It is in those other areas of the country that I
can't control...and it is those areas of the country that I wish would
be cleaned up.
Now then, would that actually solve the problem? even I know that
the answer to that question is no. To some, the actual problem is
the fact that there are STILL police officers present in this country

and that "some" will only be satisfied when there are no longer
"any" police officers here. I can only control my small neck of the
woods where if something illegal goes on, then yes it gets reported.
06-22-2010 12:02 PM
zonmoy quote:
Member
Originally posted by MileHigh
I have had things stolen from me. What do cops
do? Nothing. They show up after the fact, mill
around, exchange stories with each other, and
then leave. Do I get my stuff back? No. Do they
catch the person? No. Does this prevent future
Registered: Jan 2009 theft? Nope.
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Posts: 55
The cops are useless at recovering stolen goods, I have managed to

do better than the local cops at recovering things that have been
stolen from me.
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06-22-2010 04:20 PM
zonmoy quote:
Member
I can only control my neck of the woods, where
officers have done jail time and been fired for
their actions. However, I still run across the
occasional person who complains of police mis-
conduct in other areas of the country. It is in
Registered: Jan 2009 those other areas of the country that I can't
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin control...and it is those areas of the country that I
Posts: 55 wish would be cleaned up.
Now then, would that actually solve the problem?

even I know that the answer to that question is
no. To some, the actual problem is the fact that
there are STILL police officers present in this
country and that "some" will only be satisfied
when there are no longer "any" police officers
here. I can only control my small neck of the

woods where if something illegal goes on, then

yes it gets reported.
And what fantasy world are you from, what department actually
keeps their officers from using the drug war and other fascist
legislation to abuse the rights of the people.
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06-22-2010 04:23 PM
mchtb1966 quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by zonmoy
And what fantasy world are you from, what
department actually keeps their officers from
Registered: Jun 2010 using the drug war and other fascist legislation to
Location: Louisiana abuse the rights of the people.
Posts: 10
I'm not from any fantasy world. I am also a person in this country
who has rights, and will not infringe upon the same rights that I
too, get to enjoy.
You bring up the drug war, and I guess that means that you and I
are on opposite sides when it comes to that issue.
Do other agencies and police officers infringe on the rights of

others? you bet they do, I'd be stupid to say that they don't, but
they don't make up ALL of the police officers in this country.
Again, I don't speak for all of law enforcement...just for myself
06-22-2010 06:44 PM

zonmoy quote:
Member
I'm not from any fantasy world. I am also a
person in this country who has rights, and will
not infringe upon the same rights that I too, get
to enjoy.
You bring up the drug war, and I guess that

Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin means that you and I are on opposite sides when
Posts: 55 it comes to that issue.
Do other agencies and police officers infringe on

the rights of others? you bet they do, I'd be
stupid to say that they don't, but they don't make
up ALL of the police officers in this country.
Again, I don't speak for all of law enforcement...

just for myself
I tend to be on the opposite side of all authoritarian legislation. And

all other authoritarian groups such as followers of authoritarian
gods and followers of corporate power.
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06-22-2010 07:09 PM
mchtb1966 quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by zonmoy
I tend to be on the opposite side of all
authoritarian legislation. And all other
Registered: Jun 2010 authoritarian groups such as followers of
Location: Louisiana authoritarian gods and followers of corporate
Posts: 10 power.
Which means that I'll be looking forward to future healthy

discussions between the two of us.
If we all thought alike, this would be a very boring place. Don't you
think?

06-22-2010 07:34 PM
zonmoy quote:
Member
Which means that I'll be looking forward to future
healthy discussions between the two of us.
If we all thought alike, this would be a very

boring place. Don't you think?
Posts: 55
Yeah, that is quite true.
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Imposing Martial Law?
COPS ONLY: Would You Assist the Armed Forces in Imposing Martial Law if Ordered?
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Yes. I'll do whatever anyone in a position of authority

7 46.67%
tells me to do.
Yes. However, I'll only do so under extreme duress. 2 13.33%
No. I will refuse to obey such an order. 0 0%
No. I will refuse to obey such an order and will actively
6 40.00%
resist its imposition.
Total: 15 votes 100%
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liberranter COPS ONLY: Would You Assist the Military In Imposing Martial Law?
Super Moderator
In light of recent rumors surrounding the upcoming presidential

election farce, and in light of threats allegedly made to certain
members of Congress if they refused to pass the recent
Criminal Bankster Bailout Act, I think it is past time that we
revisited this question. It is also related to the question asked in
this thread from a couple of years back:
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...?threadid=12211
Registered: Jun 2005 So, guys and gals in blue, would you violate your oaths and
Location: Tucson, AZ help shred the Constitution and BoR and train your weapons on
Posts: 5865 the citizens who (involuntarily) pay your salary?
(Please, responses from Cops Only!
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10-24-2008 08:11 PM
tango2 Thats a big no go.

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Registered: Feb 2009
Location:
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02-28-2009 08:10 AM

Night Raven Kneejerk response

Senior Member
quote:
So, guys and gals in blue, would you violate your oaths
and help shred the Constitution and BoR and train your
weapons on the citizens who (involuntarily) pay your
salary?
Registered: May 2008 (Please, responses from Cops Only!

Location:
Posts: 4804
Oops! Sorry, Liberrantor, I didn't see your above request before I

voted! No way I'd ever want anyone to think of me as either a
copscum or a copsucker--I have no use for the one and less use for
the other.
From what I have been able to glean from independent news

sources, there are already in place some draconian plans to "control
civil unrest" in the US. Namely, a good number of "detention
centers" have been quietly created all over the country--one such
article at: http://www.opednews.com/articles/MY...090122-266.
html.
At least one article cited here mentions the DOD's considerations on

the subject:
quote:
The specter of social unrest was raised at the U.S.

Army War College in November in a monograph [click
on Policypointers' pdf link to see the report] titled
"Known Unknowns: Unconventional 'Strategic Shocks'
in Defense Strategy Development." The military must
be prepared, the document warned, for a "violent,
strategic dislocation inside the United States," which
could be provoked by "unforeseen economic collapse,"
"purposeful domestic resistance," "pervasive public
health emergencies" or "loss of functioning political and
legal order." The "widespread civil violence," the
document said, "would force the defense establishment
to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic
domestic order and human security."
"An American government and defense establishment

lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic
order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most
external security commitments in order to address
rapidly expanding human insecurity at home," it went
on.

"Under the most extreme circumstances, this might

include use of military force against hostile groups
inside the United States. Further, DoD [the Department
of Defense] would be, by necessity, an essential
enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a
multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance,"
the document read.
In plain English, something bureaucrats and the

military seem incapable of employing, this translates
into the imposition of martial law and a de facto
government being run out of the Department of
Defense. They are considering it. So should you.
(from:
COPWATCH.com Forum > NEWS SECTION > News: SHREDDING
THE CONSTITUTION > U.S. Intel Chief's Shocking Warning)
And, of course, entertainment entrepreneurs are presently busy

flooding popular sources of entertainment such as cable networks
with a seemingly endless parade of horse**** like "COPS", "CSI,
Miami", "CSI, Asswipe, Texas", "Flashpoint", etc., which are
guaranteed to fuel the imaginations of preadolescents of Amerika
with visions of paramilitary police beating up on / shooting anyone
that these police gangs consider "scumbags" (translation: anyone
who offers any resistance to the copscum).
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"We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world --
a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live
peacefully. We are not just whores for power and oil, but killer
whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and
that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just
whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you."
--Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003)
"Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next thing society

knew, it had a cop problem."
--Tom Robbins
02-28-2009 12:32 PM

liberranter Well, boys and girls in blue, I see that so far, my unscientific
Super Moderator poll reveals that 64 percent of you would obey the order to
impose martial law and turn your weapons against your fellow
citizens. I'm not at all surprised at this, but am still extremely
disappointed and saddened - for you, that is.
So, boys and girls, for those of you who have unsurprisingly
chosen evil over good, the next relevant question becomes the
one I've repeated ad nauseum, here and in other venues:
Are you ready to make your spouses widow(ers) and your

children orphans when you meet armed resistance to your
crimes?
Posts: 5865
(And in answer to the inevitable "backatcha", I think I can
speak for the majority of, if not all copwatchers when I say
"Yes, I ABSOLUTELY am ready to do the same. You see, I'll be a
patriot defending my rights, family, and property against your
act of unlawful depredation. You, on the other hand, will be
nothing but an armed, badged brigand and will be judged and
punished accordingly, whether in this life or the next.")
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Grigg
03-12-2009 05:28 PM

Night Raven Worth repeating...

Senior Member
quote:
"Yes, I ABSOLUTELY am ready to do the same. You see,

I'll be a patriot defending my rights, family, and
property against your act of unlawful depredation. You,
on the other hand, will be nothing but an armed,
badged brigand and will be judged and punished
Registered: May 2008 accordingly, whether in this life or the next."
Location:
Posts: 4804
In the spirit of the well-worn lyric line, "If you ain't got nothin', you
got nothin' to lose," I fully agree with you, liberranter. As I'm sure
is the case with the other Copwatch members, when and if the
shooting starts, I'm sure not going to be shooting at other normal
citizens, but at brainwashed copscum. Copscum have made it
crystal clear that they are indeed the enemy who view normal
citizens as all being "scumbags" and "perps".
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03-13-2009 12:13 AM

pyo1 Ready To Revolt:

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READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in

Registered: May 2009 United States
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1564
Group asks police and military to lay down arms in response to
orders deemed unlawful
By ALAN MAIMON
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL slide show
Stewart Rhodes, left, founder and spokesman of Oath Keepers,

talks to Kyle Zortman, 17, of Cedar City, Utah, right, along with
Oath Keeper members John Francois, second from left, and Pat
Kerby of Pahrump during the Crossroads of the West Gun Show on
Saturday at Cashman Center.
Photos by K.M. Cannon.
A member of the Southern Nevada chapter of Oath Keepers who

declined to be identified works on the group's Web site during a
meeting to plan the inaugural national conference of Oath Keepers
in Las Vegas later this month.
Dave Freeman, national peace officer liaison and Southern Nevada

director of Oath Keepers, right, says the group, which was founded
in Las Vegas earlier this year, is standing up for the constitutional
rights of Americans. Critics of the group say Oath Keepers draw
members into "a world of false conspiracy theory."
Dave Freeman, a leader of Oath Keepers, right, and Stewart

Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, discuss plans for the group's
inaugural national conference in Las Vegas later this month.
Depending on your perspective, the Oath Keepers are either

strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.
In the age of town halls, talk radio and tea parties, middle ground
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Launched in March by Las Vegan Stewart Rhodes, Oath Keepers

bills itself as a nonpartisan group of current and retired law
enforcement and military personnel who vow to fulfill their oaths to
the Constitution.
More specifically, the group's members, which number in the

thousands, pledge to disobey orders they deem unlawful, including
directives to disarm the American people and to blockade American
cities. By refusing the latter order, the Oath Keepers hope to
prevent cities from becoming "giant concentration camps," a
scenario the 44-year-old Rhodes says he can envision happening in
the coming years.
It's a Cold War-era nightmare vision with a major twist: The

occupying forces in this imagined future are American, not Soviet.
"The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever

happening here," Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and Yale-
trained lawyer, said in an interview with the Review-Journal. "My
focus is on the guys with the guns, because they can't do it without
them.
"We say if the American people decide it's time for a revolution,
we'll fight with you."
That type of rhetoric has caught the attention of groups that track
extremist activity in the United States.
In a July report titled "Return of the Militias," the Alabama-based

Southern Poverty Law Center singled out Oath Keepers as "a
particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival."
The Patriot movement, so named because its adherents believe the

federal government has stepped on the constitutional ideals of the
American Revolution, gained traction in the 1990s and has been
closely linked to anti-government militia and white supremacist
movements.

The movement is blamed for spawning Timothy McVeigh, who

bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168
people.
"I'm not accusing Stewart Rhodes or any member of his group of

being Timothy McVeigh or a future Timothy McVeigh," law center
spokesman Mark Potok said. "But these kinds of conspiracy theories
are what drive a small number of people to criminal violence. ...
What's troubling about Oath Keepers is the idea that men and
women armed and ordered to protect the public in this country are
clearly being drawn into a world of false conspiracy theory."
Oath Keepers got some unwanted attention in April when an

Oklahoma man loosely connected to the group was arrested for
threatening violence at an anti-tax protest in Oklahoma City.
Rhodes called the man "a nut" who had no real affiliation with his
group.
Nonetheless, Potok's group now monitors Oath Keepers on its Web

site blog "Hatewatch."
Oath Keepers is not preaching violence or government overthrow,

Rhodes said. On the contrary, it is asking police and the military to
lay down their arms in response to unlawful orders.
The group's Web site, www.oathkeepers.org, features videos and

testimonials in which supporters compare President Barack Obama's
America to Adolf Hitler's Germany. They also liken Obama to
England's King George III during the American Revolution.
One member, in a videotaped speech at an event in Washington, D.

C., calls Obama "the domestic enemy the Constitution is talking
about."
According to the law center, militia groups are re-emerging in this

country partly as a result of racial animosity toward Obama.
It's the "cross-pollinating" of extremist groups -- some racist, some

not -- that is of concern, Potok said. As evidence that the danger is
real, he points to several recent murders committed by men with
anti-government or racist views.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security reached a similar

conclusion in a report earlier this year about the rise of right-wing
extremism. The report said the nation's economic downturn and
Obama's race are "unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and
recruitment."
The homeland security report added that "disgruntled military

veterans" might be vulnerable to recruitment by right-wing
extremist groups.
That warning was enough to make Rhodes feel paranoid.

"They're accusing anybody who opposes Obama of being a racist or

a potential terrorist," he said. "What they're saying is, 'We're
coming after you.'"
The motto of Oath Keepers: "Not on our watch!"
The message Rhodes hears from the government: We're watching

you.
Las Vegas police Lt. Kevin McMahill said his department's homeland
security bureau isn't overly concerned with Oath Keepers at this
point, even though Rhodes says several active-duty Las Vegas
officers are members of the group.
"I wouldn't classify Oath Keepers as no threat at all, but I wouldn't

classify them as a threat either," McMahill said. "There's always a
chance an individual can step outside the boundaries of what an
organization stands for and do something wrong."
Rhodes, a former firearms instructor, said he easily could have

started Oath Keepers during the Bush administration, but his focus
during those years was first on getting his law degree and then
volunteering on the 2008 presidential campaign of Texas
Congressman Ron Paul, a libertarian Republican in whose office
Rhodes worked during the 1990s.
What Rhodes terms "the rise of executive privilege" during the post-
9/11 years of the Bush presidency will in his opinion only accelerate
with Obama in office. What's worse, he said, is that "gun-hating
extremists" now control the White House.
Two things have happened since the Homeland Security

Department and Southern Poverty Law Center released their
reports on extremism: Membership of Oath Keepers has spiked
dramatically. And Rhodes has had to do a lot of explaining.
"We're not a militia," he said. "And we're not part and parcel of the
white supremacist movement. I loathe white supremacists."
Oath Keepers doesn't offer paramilitary training; nor does it have a

military command structure. It instead has board members, which
include directors in seven states and outreach coordinators to
currently serving local and federal law enforcement and military
personnel. The group's state director in Montana, who goes by the
name Elias Alias, has said Montana and other states should consider
seceding from the United States in protest of the federal
government's conduct.
Leaders of the group will come together in Las Vegas starting Oct.
24 for the inaugural national conference of Oath Keepers.
Among the group's other leaders is Dave Freeman, an Army

veteran and former Las Vegas police sergeant who spent more than
30 years with the Metropolitan Police Department.

For Freeman, Oath Keepers has become something of a family

affair. He recruited his niece, a former police chief, to serve as state
director for Oath Keepers in Massachusetts.
"When you believe in something, you have to do more than just pay
it lip service," said Freeman, the group's Southern Nevada director
and national peace officer liaison. "This is a crusade I believe in."
Another prominent Oath Keeper is former Arizona sheriff Richard

Mack, who has long been an outspoken government critic.
The Southern Poverty Law Center calls Mack a "longtime militia

hero" who helped weaken gun control laws.
An incident earlier this year in rural Iowa, not inside the

Washington Beltway, motivated Rhodes to start Oath Keepers.
He questioned why the Iowa National Guard planned to use

residents of a small town to participate in training on door-to-door
searches for weapons.
The Guard said the training was to help soldiers who might be
asked to carry out similar searches in Iraq or Afghanistan.
But for Rhodes, it looked like preparation for a future declaration of

martial law. It reminded him of the response to Hurricane Katrina in
2005 when police officers reportedly confiscated legally owned
firearms. What the government called emergency response after
the levees broke, Rhodes saw as the imposition of martial law.
If it hadn't been for April 19 of this year, Oath Keepers might not
have gained the notoriety it now has.
On the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington Green, the

Massachusetts battle that started the American Revolution in 1775,
a group of Oath Keepers went to the battle site and reaffirmed their
pledge to the Constitution.
The gathering was mentioned in the Southern Poverty Law Center

report because April 19 is also the anniversary of the deadly end to
the federal siege on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas,
in 1993; and of the retaliatory bombing of the Oklahoma City
federal building in 1995.
Rhodes and Potok have never talked, but if they did, they might
find themselves speaking a different language.
"Let them say what they want to say, but April 19 has very much
become a day for the extreme radical right," Potok said.
Rhodes couldn't disagree more.
"There are thousands of Americans who go to Lexington to watch re-

enactments of people shooting at troops," Rhodes said. "But if

you're a group of military and police there, they somehow find this
offensive."
Rhodes said he hopes Oath Keepers members think about the

lawfulness of day-to-day orders they receive.
For example, if a police officer feels he is being asked to do an

illegal search of a home or vehicle, he should stand down.
Rhodes eventually wants to create a legal defense fund for Oath

Keepers who are disciplined by their employers for defying orders
they deem unlawful or immoral.
"The message to law enforcement is not to become a tool of

oppression," he said.
Rhodes, a husband and father of five home-schooled children, said

he gets hundreds of e-mails a day, mostly from people interested in
knowing more about his group.
He also gets a lot of questions from "birthers" wanting to know if he

thinks Obama is really an American citizen and from "truthers"
asking whether he believes the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job.
The group doesn't have an official position on either issue, he said.
Some of his responses to questions have turned would-be allies

against him.
"I've been accused of being a traitor or a CIA operative because I'm

not coming out and declaring that the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine is a
biological weapon," he said.
Contact reporter Alan Maimon at amaimon @reviewjournal.com or

702-383-0404
http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepe...s-64690232.html
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10-19-2009 02:15 PM

mchtb1966 I can't speak for other police officers, only for myself. But the
Junior Member answer to your question is no, I would not assist anyone with the
taking of weapons from law abiding citizens.
Like most law enforcement officers, I too spent time in the United
Registered: Jun 2010 States military and took an oath to defend the Constitution. That
Location: Louisiana same oath was taken when I became a police officer. In both
Posts: 10 instances I swore to defend the Constitution, which means that I
also swore to defend the 2nd Amendment, as well as the rest of our
rights in the BoR.
Do we have some law enforcement officers out there who have

either forgotten those rights OR, never took the time to learn them?
yes, we have those types also who let the power go to their heads.
But they seem to have forgotten one important detail, they too will
be considered as "citizens" and if martial law is imposed, it will be
imposed on them as well because they "aren't" military.
Personally, if it isn't something major like a nuclear bomb going off

in the city that we live in, there won't be enough support from
anyone to have martial law. But that's just me.
06-22-2010 04:39 AM
liberranter quote:
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Do we have some law enforcement officers

out there who have either forgotten those
rights OR, never took the time to learn them?
yes, we have those types also who let the
power go to their heads.
But they seem to have forgotten one

important detail, they too will be considered
Registered: Jun 2005 as "citizens" and if martial law is imposed, it
Posts: 5865
will be imposed on them as well because they
"aren't" military.
Allow me to begin by thanking you for posting here, and

thanking you again for your commitment to uphold the
constitutional freedoms that are under full-scale assault by the
State.
That said, I have to disagree with your statement that state and
local cops would be considered "citizens" in the event that the

feds declared martial law and would face the full wrath of
military force like any ordinary citizen. The fact is that the feds
will NEVER be able to impose martial law by themselves; there
simply aren't enough of them to do the job, even with all the
high-tech weaponry at their disposal. For that reason they look
at state and local cops as "force multipliers" and would expect
them to assume certain roles in imposing military tyranny once
the edict from Rome-on-the-Potomac is issued. Whether or not
individual cops (or entire forces of them) choose to obey the
order will determine whether or not they are treated as "allied
forces" by the U.S. military/"National Guard" or as "enemy
combatants" like the rest of the citizenry.
The weakest or strongest link in the "freedom chain" in the

event that martial law is declared will be the sheriffs of
individual counties in each state. Traditionally, the sheriff's role
has been to ensure that the protections enshrined by the U.S.
and state constitutions remain in force and that the citizenry's
rights and property are protected in accordance with
constitutional and natural law. Sadly, few county sheriffs today
seem aware of that crucial duty (although there are some very
noble exceptions, especially here in the Western United States).
A major part of the problem here is that the federal government
has co-opted local law enforcement by offering what amounts to
bribes in the way of cash infusions for specific programs (the
odious Mondale Act that guarantees localities federal dollars to
prosecute "child molesters" is one example, a law that has led
to hideous abuses and shattered lives, as evidenced here),
"gifts" high-tech military-grade weaponry that serves no
purposes germane to the duties of peace officers in exchange
for pledges to enforce unconstitutional federal statutes, and the
promise of "bigger and better things" for senior local cops. The
success or failure of resistance to federally-imposed tyranny will
be determined by the willingness of individual county sheriff's to
do the right thing. How many of them do so remains to be seen.
Personally, I'm not optimistic that large numbers will do so.
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06-22-2010 03:07 PM
mchtb1966 quote:
Junior Member
Allow me to begin by thanking you for posting
here, and thanking you again for your
Registered: Jun 2010 commitment to uphold the constitutional
Location: Louisiana freedoms that are under full-scale assault by the
Posts: 10 State.
That said, I have to disagree with your statement

that state and local cops would be considered
"citizens" in the event that the feds declared
martial law and would face the full wrath of
military force like any ordinary citizen. The fact is
that the feds will NEVER be able to impose martial
law by themselves; there simply aren't enough of
them to do the job, even with all the high-tech
weaponry at their disposal. For that reason they
look at state and local cops as "force multipliers"
and would expect them to assume certain roles in
imposing military tyranny once the edict from
Rome-on-the-Potomac is issued. Whether or not
individual cops (or entire forces of them) choose
to obey the order will determine whether or not
they are treated as "allied forces" by the U.S.
military/"National Guard" or as "enemy
combatants" like the rest of the citizenry.
The weakest or strongest link in the "freedom

chain" in the event that martial law is declared
will be the sheriffs of individual counties in each
state. Traditionally, the sheriff's role has been to
ensure that the protections enshrined by the U.S.
and state constitutions remain in force and that
the citizenry's rights and property are protected
in accordance with constitutional and natural law.
Sadly, few county sheriffs today seem aware of
that crucial duty (although there are some very
noble exceptions, especially here in the Western
United States). A major part of the problem here
is that the federal government has co-opted local
law enforcement by offering what amounts to
bribes in the way of cash infusions for specific
programs (the odious Mondale Act that
guarantees localities federal dollars to prosecute
"child molesters" is one example, a law that has

led to hideous abuses and shattered lives, as

evidenced here), "gifts" high-tech military-grade
weaponry that serves no purposes germane to
the duties of peace officers in exchange for
pledges to enforce unconstitutional federal
statutes, and the promise of "bigger and better
things" for senior local cops. The success or
failure of resistance to federally-imposed tyranny
will be determined by the willingness of
individual county sheriff's to do the right thing.
How many of them do so remains to be seen.
Personally, I'm not optimistic that large numbers
will do so.
liberranter, thank you for the welcome to the forum.
Before I became a police officer, I too was a member of the United

States Army and served 12 years. One of the first things I did was
make an oath to defend the constitution of the United States
against all enemies both foreign and domestic. But even before
then, I was an American...with rights given to me by the United
States Constitution, most notably the BoR.
One of the things that I've learned is that I was a citizen first, a
soldier second, and now a police officer...but that I was also the
same person at all three stages. In other words, nothing about who
I was or am now had changed. I believed then as I do now that a
person has the right to free speech, the right to bare arms, the
right to not have their freedoms trampled on...etc, etc.
And if I believe in this, then I most certainly can't be alone. They

say that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you have
someone who thinks of himself as a citizen first, a soldier second,
and a police officer third (for those of which #3 applies) then there
is no room for corruption. But unfortunately, there are those in law
enforcement who have never been in a position of authority, and
will let that "power" go to their heads.
With that being said, most of the same military soldiers and
national guardsmen that would be needed to impose martial law
would also remember that they too are civilians, and would have to
wonder who would be pointing the "weapons" at their own family
members. What it really boils down to is this, the President can
order the military, the national guard, and law enforcement to
impose martial law...but how many would REALLY choose to go
against the same constitution that they swore to defend? Would
there be some? the answer is yes. But really, those would only be
the uninformed or the power hungry...and the uninformed are
learning. Slowly, but surely.

Do I think that President Obama could pull it off? maybe. But I'd be
willing to bet that Obama nor any other President would have
enough support to pull it off. They can try, but they won't be
successful.
06-22-2010 07:27 PM
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Do I think that President Obama could pull it

off? maybe. But I'd be willing to bet that
Obama nor any other President would have
enough support to pull it off. They can try, but
they won't be successful.

Posts: 5865 I sure hope and pray that you're right.
Thanks, mate.
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I sure hope and pray that you're right.
Registered: Jun 2010 Thanks, mate.

Location: Louisiana
Posts: 10
So do I liberranter, so do I.
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ShannonLayne Resisting an Officer

Junior Member
Is this the catch all charge to make, if a legitiment charge can not
Registered: Mar 2010 be made against a citizen?
Location: Prairieville, Louisiana
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04-23-2010 04:29 PM

liberranter Re: Resisting an Officer

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by ShannonLayne
Is this the catch all charge to make, if a

legitiment charge can not be made against a
citizen?

Posts: 5865 None of the swine who lurk in this forum will answer this
question honestly, so I'll save you the aggravation of waiting for
an answer and do it for them:
Yes, this is EXACTLY the charge that is used if all else fails.
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04-23-2010 09:22 PM

MGMAN This is one reason its so important to video all interactions with
Senior Member cops.
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Mr Officer, The US Constitution is NOT just a formality, or something to sidestep!

When your butt is on the line the first thing you do is scream about “due process”
and the “rule of law”, how about extending this to the general public!
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results."
Members of the NCIS (Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression team)

that work in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties in North East Georgia are
murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!!
Registered: Jan 2008 DO NOT talk to cops, they are NOT your friend, and NOTHING good can come
Location: Peoples Rebublik of from it. You have the right to stay silent, DO IT!
Georgia
Posts: 1129 Furor fit laesa saepius patientia
Militamus sub spe.
Prius mori quam fidem fallere
Quietem nemo impune lacesset.
04-23-2010 09:44 PM
ShannonLayne Resisting an officer

Junior Member
well after photographing a sheriff's unit parked at an individual's

Registered: Mar 2010 home near my neighborhood, with no license plate, permanent or
Location: Prairieville, Louisiana
Posts: 4 temporary - I fought this battle for over 20 months before I was
acquitted.
here is the link to the actual evidence:
http://shannonallenonline.com/My_Ho...iles/Page5.html
04-24-2010 01:13 AM

mchtb1966 Shannon, you should have never been in court in the first place.
Junior Member Stopping to take a picture of a police car is not considered to be
"Resisting an Officer".
But yes, in some instances, police officers who don't know what
Registered: Jun 2010 they're doing will charge someone for "Resisting an Officer" when
Location: Louisiana confronted with a situation that they don't know how to handle.
Posts: 10
That or "Disturbing the Peace"
My apologies for you having to go to court in the first place.
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ohio Flipping the Bird to a Cop

Member
In Ohio can you flip off a cop? I know you can but cant they arrest
Registered: Jan 2009 you for the Finger or Bird legally? I know they can always find
Location: Ohio
Posts: 30 another reason to get you but if you have every thing in order like
Opp license, insurance, reg., no warrants or what ever, legally can
they arrest you? I can deal with there verbal abuse and trickery I
just simply wont say a word to the cop Nada nothing at all.
What do you people think?
07-17-2009 03:37 AM

MGMAN I don't know what the Peoples Rebublik of Ohio says, but I say its
Senior Member constitutionally protected free speech.
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07-17-2009 12:21 PM
mr.b Not only is it constitutionally protected it is totally legal. If a cop

Senior Member stops you for flipping them them and that is the only reason they
give you then you have a great 4th amendment violation. Any cop
who can't accept being flipped off does or called names does not
need to be a cop. I flip them off all the time, but they know me in
my town so now they just smile.
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07-17-2009 12:37 PM

liberranter It's almost certainly not illegal, but you know how that goes:
Super Moderator They'll do everything necessary to invent a pretext to cite or
arrest you, probably by physically assaulting you and then
arresting you for assaulting them.
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07-17-2009 02:38 PM
mr.b I hear you Liberranter, if you are going to flip these fuks off then
Senior Member you better be prepared to stand your ground and have a piece of
recording device rolling. I just bought these sweet camera
sunglasses and waiting for them to arrive so I can try them out.
http://www.electroflip.com/shopexd.asp?id=99
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07-17-2009 09:35 PM

ohio flipping the bird

Member
Thanks all. I have been on there radar for Open carry and CCW.
Registered: Jan 2009 And have had my 2nd and 4th violated several times. I know there
Location: Ohio
Posts: 30 game and so I am being careful.
07-17-2009 10:39 PM
markriens Flipping the Bird

Junior Member
I have been involved with this very issue this year in Albuquerque.
Registered: Apr 2009 You can legally flip a cop but be careful if a citizen sees it and
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 8 complains then the cop can cite you. The key is doing it without
being seen; the same goes for cussing a cop (I do everytime I meet
them) do not let anyone hear you except the cop.
09-08-2009 10:46 PM
ohio Thanks I appreciate all your input.

Member
Location: Ohio
Posts: 30
09-09-2009 02:57 PM
GlockGuy80 First,
Junior Member Why would you want to?
Registered: May 2009 Second,

Location: Westerly, RI Of course it's legal, but you are going to draw unnecessary
Posts: 6 attention to your vehicle. I hope you don't have a brake light out,
or are going even 1 mph over the speed limit.
It boils down to this: Would you flip off a school bus driver, doctor,
fireman? Where does it end?
04-13-2010 09:59 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by GlockGuy80
It boils down to this: Would you flip off a

school bus driver, doctor, fireman? Where
does it end?
If they did something to deserve it, absolutely. OTOH, school

bus drivers, doctors, firemen, etc. don't routinely commit acts
Posts: 5865 of armed, lawless gang violence, with impunity, against
unarmed citizens.
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04-13-2010 12:04 PM
xtratabasco about 25 years ago my friend was waring a T-shirt with the bird, he
Senior Member was riding his bike across the street and was arrested for disorderly
conduct. He was given a ticket but he put up so much of a fight
Registered: Jul 2004 they took him in in cuffs. He appealed it and it took about 15 years
Location: but that arrest was found to be un-Consitutional.
Posts: 2869
As we have scene here on this site,

I think just about everything is arrestable to these criminals from
throwing a sunflower seed out the window or a marsh mellow, to
not showing ID or not even talking to a cop, to not standing up
when ordered when you are paralized and in a wheelchair.
Cops think its fun to give someone a hard time that isnt licking their
boots, and think about it, it takes them off the beat for a few hours

to do paper work.
04-13-2010 02:18 PM
GlockGuy80 quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by xtratabasco
Registered: May 2009 and think about it, it takes them off the beat for a
Location: Westerly, RI few hours to do paper work.
Posts: 6
Do you think officers like to be pulled off the street to do

paperwork?
Paperwork is one of the necessary evils of the job, but I can assure
you that most officers would rather be out patrolling than in the
station doing paperwork.
04-14-2010 09:10 AM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Do you think officers like to be pulled off the

street to do paperwork?
Paperwork is one of the necessary evils of the

job, but I can assure you that most officers
would rather be out patrolling than in the
station doing paperwork.

Posts: 5865
I'm sure that's true, but we "turds" (as you cops routinely like
to call us mere citizens) much prefer to see you sitting at a desk
pretending to be literate enough to "do paperwork", a situation
in which you are relatively harmless, than out on the streets
committing your usual extortion, murder, and mayhem.
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xtratabasco Kan. man who flipped off cop gets $5,000 from city
Senior Member The Associated Press
Posted: 04/16/2010 01:28:42 PM MDT
Registered: Jul 2004 Updated: 04/16/2010 01:28:43 PM MDT
Location:
Posts: 2869 OLATHE, Kan.—An Overland Park man who flashed an obscene
gesture at an Olathe police officer after getting a ticket is getting
rewarded for his behavior.
The city of Olathe has settled a civil rights complaint filed by Scott
Schaper of Overland Park. He was ticketed in September for
disorderly conduct for flipping off an officer who had given him a
ticket for running a stop sign.
The city of Olathe last week agreed that its insurance company
would pay Schaper $4,000, with another $1,000 for the American
Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri. Olathe police
also must train its officers that they are required to take such
verbal abuse.
The Kansas City Star reports that Doug Bonney, legal director for
the ACLU chapter, says Schaper reacted angrily because the traffic
stop made his children cry.
———
Information from: The Kansas City Star, http://www.kcstar.com
04-17-2010 05:11 PM

GlockGuy80 quote:
Junior Member
Registered: May 2009 Kan. man who flipped off cop gets $5,000 from
Location: Westerly, RI city
Posts: 6 The Associated Press
Posted: 04/16/2010 01:28:42 PM MDT
Updated: 04/16/2010 01:28:43 PM MDT
OLATHE, Kan.—An Overland Park man who

flashed an obscene gesture at an Olathe police
officer after getting a ticket is getting rewarded
for his behavior.
The city of Olathe has settled a civil rights

complaint filed by Scott Schaper of Overland Park.
He was ticketed in September for disorderly
conduct for flipping off an officer who had given
him a ticket for running a stop sign.
The city of Olathe last week agreed that its

insurance company would pay Schaper $4,000,
with another $1,000 for the American Civil
Liberties Union of Kansas and Western Missouri.
Olathe police also must train its officers that they
are required to take such verbal abuse.
The Kansas City Star reports that Doug Bonney,

legal director for the ACLU chapter, says Schaper
reacted angrily because the traffic stop made his
children cry.
———
Information from: The Kansas City Star, http://

www.kcstar.com
I agree with the lawsuit. Nobody should get arrested or charged

with anything for flipping the bird.
04-17-2010 09:29 PM

RoadRanger1 They most likely will cite you with the catch-all charge "Disorderly
TEMPORARILY BANNED Conduct".
If you really feel like flipping them off, I would suggest you give
them the "SpaceBall salute" instead. I've done it plenty of times,
even got stopped once for it but the cop couldn't think of anything
to hit me with
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05-11-2010 08:20 PM
liberranter quote:
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Originally posted by RoadRanger1
If you really feel like flipping them off, I would

suggest you give them the "SpaceBall salute"
instead. I've done it plenty of times, even got
stopped once for it but the cop couldn't think
of anything to hit me with

Posts: 5865 That must have been one extraordinarily lazy and stupid cop.
Even the most brain-dead among them can always think up
SOMETHING to charge someone with, no matter how ridiculous
and ultimately unsustainable a charge it is.
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05-11-2010 09:17 PM
RoadRanger1 I think it was because I caught him SO off guard and unprepared
TEMPORARILY BANNED when I showed him what I did.
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ocgz658 asked for i.d.

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can a cop demand i.d from you while you are on private property
with no cause?
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quote:
Originally posted by ocgz658
can a cop demand i.d from you while you are

on private property with no cause?

Posts: 5865
Legally no, but the fact that it is unlawful sure won't stop them
from trying.
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03-17-2008 02:35 AM
Tyson In reality, it is not for you to decide whether the officer has cause
Junior Member or not, it is for a court to decide. An officer maybe stopping you
because you fit the description of a suspect in a crime you don't
Registered: Nov 2007 even know about.... since you are innocent, you definetely wouldn't
Location: know about the crime. There is a lot going on in an officer's world
Posts: 23
that the average person is oblivious to, and a simple request for ID
if the officer has reason to stop you has been ruled constitutional
and a reasonable seizure, long enough only to confirm or dispell
criminal activity. Also remember that an officer doesn't need
probable cause to simply walk up to you and start talking with
you....and in some states request ID.
Also remember that very few of the people on this forum are
lawyers.....but they all think they know the law
04-03-2008 12:51 AM
liberranter Originally regurgitated by Tyson

Super Moderator
quote:
In reality, it is not for you to decide whether

the officer has cause or not, it is for a court to
decide.
Registered: Jun 2005 Not that it will come as a surprise anyone in this forum, but, as
Location: Tucson, AZ usual, you're wrong. For any citizen who is familiar with the law
Posts: 5865 and who knows FOR CERTAIN, or even with a reasonable
degree of assurance that a cop has NO legal standing or
probable cause to ask for ID, it absolutely within the citizen's
right to decide --and act-- upon the knowledge that neither
legal grounds or probable cause exists for the request.
quote:
An officer maybe stopping you because you fit

the description of a suspect in a crime you

don't even know about.... since you are

innocent, you definetely wouldn't know about
the crime.
So, you just admitted that the citizen from whom the cop is
demanding ID is innocent of any crime. Then why is the cop
demanding ID from them? (Hint: Something about cops not
believing that the law applies to them)
quote:
There is a lot going on in an officer's world

that the average person is oblivious to...
The usual BS that "a cop lives a life the average mere mortal
cannot possibly fathom, yaddayaddablahblah..."
You know better than to spew that sewage on this forum.
quote:
{A} simple request for ID if the officer has

reason to stop you has been ruled
constitutional and a reasonable seizure, long
enough only to confirm or dispell criminal
activity.
And the same criminal "judicial" system has also ruled that the
theft of a person's property by agents of the State without due
process of law is legal, despite the clear statement of the Fourth
Amendment to the contrary. For cops like you who have no clue
what the Fourth Amendment is, this means, in PFE, that the fact
that a panel of black-robed tyrants declares something to be
constitutional or legal seldom EVER makes it so.
Again, you should know better by now than to spew such BS in

this forum and expect anyone to believe it or let it go
unchallenged.
quote:
Also remember that an officer doesn't need

probable cause to simply walk up to you and

start talking with you....and in some states

request ID.
And the other side of that coin is that a citizen has NO

obligation whatsover to say word one to the officer. Until they
burn that "god damned piece of paper" called the BoR, the Fifth
Amendment is still in force.
quote:
Also remember that very few of the people on

this forum are lawyers.....but they all think
they know the law
Also remember that the average swine knows even less about
"the law" than the average citizen and cares about it even less
still...but still tries to insult the citizens' intelligence and bully
them belligerently into thinking that they do.
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04-03-2008 03:43 AM

GC Marciano In spite of of Tyson's rambling nonsense, the fact remains: a

Copwatcher Extraordinaire cop can not demand ID from you without cause while you are
on private property.
That doesn't mean they won't - Cops have absolutely no regard

for the law and they are incapable of following rules.
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04-03-2008 03:47 AM
Tyson quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by GC505
Registered: Nov 2007 In spite of of Tyson's rambling nonsense, the fact
Location: remains: a cop can not demand ID from you
Posts: 23 without cause while you are on private property.
This is an incorrect statment on many different levels....but think

what you wish. In order to make that statement, more details about
the circumstances must be included. Besides the fact that private
property has absoutely NOTHING to do with the argument, all that
is needed for a "terry stop" is reasonable suspicion, NOT probable
cause. If you are going to give information to people that are
probably trying to get around the laws, at least give them correct
information. You are giving them information that will most likely
get them arrested, or simply detained for longer than necessary.
If an officer is looking for a suspect in a certain area named "John

Doe" and you fit the description, the officer will probably ask you
for your ID to confirm or dispell that you are that person. Just
because you don't think that the officer is doing any sort of

investigation at that point doesn't mean you have the right to

refuse to provide ID. Doing this, depending on the circumstances,
may get you arrested for identifcation purposes, especially if you fit
the description of a robbery or murder suspect. Yes, you will be
realeased upon the certainty of your identity if you are not the
suspect in question, however, is this worth the time? Probably not.
04-03-2008 06:28 PM
GC Marciano Again - in spite of of Tyson's rambling nonsense, the fact

Copwatcher Extraordinaire remains: a cop can not demand ID from you without cause
while you are on private property.
There is a warrant process filled with checks and balances

(however flawed it may be) designed to address issues such as
this.
Walking down the street is a different story... at least here in

Illinois.
Location: Chicago, Illinois Giving cops the authority to enter a citizens private property to
Posts: 9967 check the occupants identity based solely on his "suspicion" is
absurd and is nothing short of a police state.
But a police state is what people like Tyson want - complete

with the removal of all civil rights and liberties.
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04-03-2008 06:51 PM

orangecocopwatc re: asked for i.d.

Member
quote:
Can a cop stop you and ask you for i.d. while you are
on private property?
A cop can ASK you for anything.

The simple fact that they are ASKING means you are not required
Registered: Oct 2007 to give them the time of day.
Location: Orange County,
California When a police officer asks you for anything, (it doesn't matter what
Posts: 31 it is) if you respond to them you are implying consent to that
encounter.
If a police officer thinks you are guilty of a crime, they are not
going to 'ask you to see id.' Typically, the officer would tell you to
"put your hands on the hood of the car" , "raise your hands above
your head", "turn around and ...." or whatever.. then he will
proceed to feel your ball sack and fondle your penis through the
pockets of your pants.
Maybe then, the officer would ask you for your identification (if he
didn't find it in your pocket).
Back to the original question:

If a cop approaches you and you are standing on private property...
he thinks he has the right to see I.D., because he is 'investigating a
crime' or you look like someone who is suspected of committing a
crime..
1. If he is investigating a crime and he already knows the name of
the person he is looking for, (hence needing to see i.d.), then he
probably already knows what the person looks like.
2. If the cop only has a description, then looking at an I.D. isn't
going to give him any MORE information than he already has, right?
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04-08-2008 10:38 PM

mr.b I just laugh when we get these swine think they are fuking lawyers
Senior Member just because they had 698 hrs of training in the academy. FUKING
LOSERS!!! citizens know more than you think scum bag. NOW GO
BITE YOUR CHIEFS DICK OFF TYSON!!!
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04-09-2008 02:57 AM
Gallowsman This says it ALL...

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http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive...ews/345838.html
Location: Maine
Posts: 23
Fed appeals court says refusal to identify no cause for arrest
Saturday, Apr 5, 2008
By Rob Moritz
Arkansas News Bureau
LITTLE ROCK - A police officer does not have the authority to arrest
someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected
of committing a crime, a federal appeals panel ruled Friday.
The decision by a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of

Appeals in St. Louis reversed an Arkansas federal judge's ruling and
ordered a new hearing in a Benton County man's lawsuit
challenging his arrest for refusing to show his identification during a
traffic stop.
"It is amazing how many times I have had people convicted for
doing the same thing," said Rogers attorney Doug Norwood. "You
have to have a reasonable suspicion that the individual person is
either committing a crime or about to."
(snip)
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04-10-2008 12:14 AM
Cataclysm Re: asked for i.d.

The People should not fear the
quote:

can a cop demand i.d from you while you are on
private property with no cause?
They can demand, but you can tell them no and to take a hike.
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Amerika.
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Right to Free Speech, so if you are offended, I do not care.
04-10-2008 12:18 PM
CC Rider One can only be engaged in casual conversation with a Police

GOT FREE SPEECH? Officer by his own choice. If it has nothing to do with official police
business you are not required to say anything - except "Am I free
to go"
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Location: Behind You It seems Americans now need permission to speak out on
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political issues and petition the government. I'd suggest a
constitutional amendment protecting those rights, but I
thought we already had one.
Any statement I make is my opinion and covered by the US

Constitutions Right To Free Speech ~ ~
“As the years pass, the power of government becomes more and
more pervasive. It is a power to suffocate both people and causes.

Those in power, whatever their politics, want only to perpetuate it.

Now that the fences of the law and the tradition that protected the
press are broken down, the people are the victims. The First
Amendment, as I read it, was designed precisely to prevent that
tragedy.”
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04-10-2008 02:54 PM
CC Rider You better have plenty of "evidence" to back that statement up if

GOT FREE SPEECH? you demand ID from me Tyson.
You better be very clear why! Then we will sit in a civil court and let
you tell it to a judge! The judge will be the final authority not you!
Location: Behind You
quote:
Posts: 1060
Originally posted by Tyson

Just because you don't think that the officer is
doing any sort of investigation at that point
doesn't mean you have the right to refuse to
provide ID.
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04-10-2008 03:02 PM

MGMAN Why would a cop be on private property anyway? To my way of

Senior Member thinking if a cop is on private property this cop most likely is on
official business and may want to know who you are. Another part
of that question is what kind of property are you talking about?
Walmart is private property and open to the public, and I suspect if
asked by a cop for ID in the states that allow this you might have to
give it, If you have ID on you. As for private property not open to
the general public I would say no a cop can't legally ask for ID
unless as I said before there is an official reason for the request.
My short answer to your question is it depends.
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04-10-2008 05:32 PM
Nuklhed quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by MGMAN
Registered: Sep 2006 Why would a cop be on private property anyway?
Location: To my way of thinking if a cop is on private
Posts: 3 property this cop most likely is on official
business and may want to know who you are.
Another part of that question is what kind of
property are you talking about? Walmart is
private property and open to the public, and I
suspect if asked by a cop for ID in the states that
allow this you might have to give it, If you have
ID on you. As for private property not open to the
general public I would say no a cop can't legally
ask for ID unless as I said before there is an
official reason for the request.

My short answer to your question is it depends.
Thats basically what I would say. Unfortunately a lot of the officers

out on the street think they are above the law. The thing is, we are
no better than anyone else. Ill do my job and do it well, but I treat
everyone with the same respect I would like to be treated with. So,
that really didnt answer the question, did it.
10-21-2008 11:17 PM
Tracker A cop CAN ask you for you I.D. if you are on private property,
Junior Member especially if he/she has reason to believe you may not be the owner
of the property or maybe a crimes been committed, etc., there are
Registered: Sep 2008 no hard and fast rules.
Location:
Posts: 12 Check this out:
The cops are legally allowed to go anywhere the general public can
go. Unless you have no trespassing signs up, they can enter any
unfenced portion of your property they want without your
permission, just like everyone else.
Rather than telling them to get off your property, you should
probably just comply with a simple request like that and ask him
why he wants to see it. Odds are, there's been some crime in the
area, and he's trying to make sure you belong there. Afterall, how
does the cop know its your property if he doesn't know who you
are?
12-06-2008 03:06 PM
MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Tracker
A cop CAN ask you for you I.D. if you are on
private property, especially if he/she has reason
to believe you may not be the owner of the
property or maybe a crimes been committed, etc.,
there are no hard and fast rules.
Check this out:
The cops are legally allowed to go anywhere the

general public can go. Unless you have no
Registered: Jan 2008 trespassing signs up, they can enter any unfenced

Location: Peoples Rebublik of portion of your property they want without your
Georgia permission, just like everyone else.
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Rather than telling them to get off your property,
you should probably just comply with a simple
request like that and ask him why he wants to see
it. Odds are, there's been some crime in the area,
and he's trying to make sure you belong there.
Afterall, how does the cop know its your property
if he doesn't know who you are?
Thats Pure Bull ****
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12-06-2008 04:12 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Rather than telling them to get off your
property, you should probably just comply
with a simple request like that and ask him
why he wants to see it.

Location: Chicago, Illinois More piggy propaganda...
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12-06-2008 04:50 PM
photoman quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Aug 2006 Check this out:
Location: Under your bed...
Posts: 875 The cops are legally allowed to go anywhere the
general public can go. Unless you have no
trespassing signs up, they can enter any unfenced
portion of your property they want without your
permission, just like everyone else.
In my state all land is posted unless you have written permission

from the landowner to be there. You don't need signs, barbed wire
or even a verbal warning!
quote:


Rather than telling them to get off your property,
you should probably just comply with a simple
request like that and ask him why he wants to see
it. Odds are, there's been some crime in the area,
and he's trying to make sure you belong there.
Afterall, how does the cop know its your property
if he doesn't know who you are?
Rather than violating someones civil rights which you swore an oath
to uphold you could do your job by the book!
Odds are they are on a fishing trip, if there was a real crime in the
area they should be able to back that up with radio transmissions,
descriptions, witness reports and call logs, which when looked into
more times than not do not exist and the officers have abused their
authority!
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Tracker Just as everyone else posted I posted what I knew. You can take it
Junior Member or leave it. No big deal.

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12-06-2008 05:35 PM

MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
Just as everyone else posted I posted what I
knew. You can take it or leave it. No big deal.
NO, your posted what you DON"T know. Your ignorance is showing.
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12-06-2008 05:40 PM
Tracker I see you're enjoying brother! Why Thank You Kindly!

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12-06-2008 05:56 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Just as everyone else posted I posted what I
knew. You can take it or leave it. No big deal.
Considering the source (a cop - an unskilled, uneducated,

Registered: Jul 2003 otherwise unemployable moron posing as a public servant), we
Location: Chicago, Illinois will weigh your information, opinions and knowledge, and then
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properly dispose of it accordingly.
As you said... no big deal. We get agenda-driven swine like you

here all the time. You're certainly not the first who thought he
would pop up and smear his propaganda on Copwatch,
expecting some brainwashed dumbass to hungrily absorb your
bullshit like a pig-loving sponge.
Get your bitch ass back over to the circle jerk at the officer.com
forums.
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Tracker You'll eventually get over your bitterness my son! I'll pray
Junior Member for you!

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12-06-2008 06:20 PM

MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
You'll eventually get over your bitterness my son!
I'll pray for you!
my comment is this:
To the other members here, we got another coptroll. I will do like I

have done to the others. Ignore the troll, I will now.
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GC Marciano You keep right on praying, officer Retard. That's just more
Copwatcher Extraordinaire evidence that you are exactly what I suspected: A complete
dumbass living in a pathetically desperate world of fairy tales.
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12-06-2008 06:52 PM
GlockGuy80 This is the "Ask a Cop" section of the forum correct?

Junior Member
Why are so many people attacking the police who are attempting to
Registered: May 2009 answer the question? Like Tyson said earlier, the question does not
Location: Westerly, RI have enough information to answer it correctly. The law is not
Posts: 6 always black and white in certain areas. Most law questions are
simple, yet the answers are always complex. That is why you see
Supreme Court decisions that are several pages long for a simple
one paragraph scenario.
Getting back to the question, police officers can ask ANYBODY for
their I.D., but that person does NOT always have to comply with
the request. If an officer has a legal reason for asking for your I.D.
(there are too many legal reasons to list) then you have to comply
or you could be subject to arrest. Of course the laws in every state
are different.
If you did not do anything wrong then it is probably just easier to

comply. You will almost never see an officer go knocking on some
stranger's door just to ask them for their I.D. Most officers have
better things to do.
One example of why an officer might go onto private property to

ask for an I.D.:
1) Officer is dispatched to a house because someone reported an

illegal fire pit (no permit) going in their backyard.
2) Officer arrives and sees fire pit burning from the street.
3) Officer enters the backyard and questions (temporary detention)
who he believes to be the homeowner.
4) Officer is going to issue a summons to homeowner for the illegal
burn, but he needs I.D.
5) Officer asks subject for his/her I.D.
As you can see from the above example YES and officer can enter
onto private property and YES that officer can demand I.D.
Always remember not every police officer obeys the law. If you
have a brain and catch an officer violating your civil rights, it may
be better to just initially comply, and then later file a law suit.

06-03-2009 05:00 PM
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I have an even easier one, just shoot the intruder and deal the
court system later.
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MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
This is the "Ask a Cop" section of the forum
correct?
Why are so many people attacking the police who

are attempting to answer the question? Like
Tyson said earlier, the question does not have
enough information to answer it correctly. The
law is not always black and white in certain
areas. Most law questions are simple, yet the
answers are always complex. That is why you see
Registered: Jan 2008 Supreme Court decisions that are several pages
Location: Peoples Rebublik of long for a simple one paragraph scenario.
Georgia
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Getting back to the question, police officers can
ask ANYBODY for their I.D., but that person does
NOT always have to comply with the request. If
an officer has a legal reason for asking for your I.
D. (there are too many legal reasons to list) then
you have to comply or you could be subject to
arrest. Of course the laws in every state are
different.
If you did not do anything wrong then it is

probably just easier to comply. You will almost
never see an officer go knocking on some
stranger's door just to ask them for their I.D.
Most officers have better things to do.
One example of why an officer might go onto

private property to ask for an I.D.:
1) Officer is dispatched to a house because

someone reported an illegal fire pit (no permit)
going in their backyard.

2) Officer arrives and sees fire pit burning from

the street.
3) Officer enters the backyard and questions
(temporary detention) who he believes to be the
homeowner.
4) Officer is going to issue a summons to
homeowner for the illegal burn, but he needs I.D.
As you can see from the above example YES and

officer can enter onto private property and YES
that officer can demand I.D.
Always remember not every police officer obeys

the law. If you have a brain and catch an officer
violating your civil rights, it may be better to just
initially comply, and then later file a law suit.
Hey moron, if you will go back and look at the original question,
you will see the last part of it is "for no reason".
Why don't you go back to eating your donut and stop trying to play
with the adults, you suck at it anyway.
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06-03-2009 05:45 PM

pyo1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: May 2009 This is the "Ask a Cop" section of the forum
Location: Oklahoma correct?
Posts: 1564
Why are so many people attacking the police who
are attempting to answer the question? Like
Tyson said earlier, the question does not have
enough information to answer it correctly. The
law is not always black and white in certain
areas. Most law questions are simple, yet the
answers are always complex. That is why you see
Supreme Court decisions that are several pages
long for a simple one paragraph scenario.
Getting back to the question, police officers can

ask ANYBODY for their I.D., but that person does
NOT always have to comply with the request. If
an officer has a legal reason for asking for your I.
D. (there are too many legal reasons to list) then
you have to comply or you could be subject to
arrest. Of course the laws in every state are
different.
If you did not do anything wrong then it is

probably just easier to comply. You will almost
never see an officer go knocking on some
stranger's door just to ask them for their I.D.
Most officers have better things to do.
One example of why an officer might go onto

private property to ask for an I.D.:
1) Officer is dispatched to a house because

someone reported an illegal fire pit (no permit)
going in their backyard.
2) Officer arrives and sees fire pit burning from
the street.
3) Officer enters the backyard and questions
(temporary detention) who he believes to be the
homeowner.
4) Officer is going to issue a summons to
homeowner for the illegal burn, but he needs I.D.
As you can see from the above example YES and

officer can enter onto private property and YES
that officer can demand I.D.
Always remember not every police officer obeys

the law. If you have a brain and catch an officer
violating your civil rights, it may be better to just

initially comply, and then later file a law suit.
I had one try this game on me. His agenda/game was apparent
since he had just searched my woman and my ride and asked my
whereabouts. When I gave him the opportunity to ID himself,
sneaking through my creekbed, ad he refused, he got a beer bottle
between his eyes. Sure he called the fire dept., ad they were
almost as pissed as myself.
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06-03-2009 05:57 PM
GlockGuy80 quote:
Junior Member
Registered: May 2009 can a cop demand i.d from you while you are on
Location: Westerly, RI
Posts: 6 private property with no cause?
MGMAN:
Actually the original post said "with no cause."
Just because someone thinks a police officer has no cause for

asking, doesn't mean that the officer doesn't have a valid reason for
asking. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Most people are very
naive when it comes to most laws. Most people say "I didn't know I
couldn't do that" after they are arrested. Most people are just plain
ignorant. So when the original poster claims the officer had "no
cause" he needs to explain further in order to properly determine if
the officer could have legally demanded the I.D.
Pretty funny about eating donuts……Next time try coming up with

something a little more original and factual.
PYO1:
Most officers are trying to do the right thing. It’s a shame some bad
apples screw it up.

06-03-2009 06:27 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Most officers are trying to do the right thing.

It’s a shame some bad apples screw it up.
Registered: Jul 2003 Pretty funny about "most officers are trying to do the right
Location: Chicago, Illinois thing" bullshit... Next time try coming up with something a little
Posts: 9967 more original and factual.
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06-03-2009 07:23 PM
MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
MGMAN:
Actually the original post said "with no cause."
Just because someone thinks a police officer has

no cause for asking, doesn't mean that the officer
doesn't have a valid reason for asking. Maybe he
does, maybe he doesn't. Most people are very
naive when it comes to most laws. Most people
say "I didn't know I couldn't do that" after they
Registered: Jan 2008 are arrested. Most people are just plain ignorant.

Location: Peoples Rebublik of So when the original poster claims the officer had
Georgia "no cause" he needs to explain further in order to
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properly determine if the officer could have
legally demanded the I.D.
Pretty funny about eating donuts……Next time try

coming up with something a little more original
and factual.
PYO1:
Most officers are trying to do the right thing. It’s

a shame some bad apples screw it up.
So many replies, so little time. Folks I think we got another coptroll.
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06-03-2009 08:00 PM

mr.b If I am not driving, you ain't seeing S H I T!!! easy as that. I will go
Senior Member to jail no big deal because I know in the end that I will win big time.
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06-03-2009 08:31 PM
liberranter quote:
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Originally posted by pyo1
When I gave him the opportunity to ID

himself, sneaking through my creekbed, ad he
refused, he got a beer bottle between his
eyes.

If I catch someone, porktard or not, "sneaking" onto my
Posts: 5865 property without permission (i.e., trespassing), he/she/it is
going to get hit with something a whole lot more powerful and
nasty than a beer bottle.
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06-03-2009 09:33 PM

Frozin I'm in Ca. there is no statute requiring people to show "ID" to an

Junior Member officer upon request. There also is no law saying a citizen has to
show ID when being detained. The most we have to do is identify
Registered: Apr 2010 who we are verbally. Any officer to assume anything else is
Location: ignorant of the statutes and is merely acting as an egotistical power
Posts: 4
maniac. (There are many news stories of these power maniacs)
Hibbel VS supreme court is irrelevant in Ca. as there is no statute

requiring an individual to show ID when asked by police. The
supreme court was interpreting that statute. Since Ca. has no such
statute that supreme court ruling has no basis here.
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Police are no longer being trained to serve the public but instead to
POLICE them. There is a clear line between serving and policing.
From reading police forums they are taught to expect the worst and
to suspect everyone as criminals.
To me this sort of training and thinking is what causes the police

abuse that we currently see today. Police exclaim "We do this for
our safety", but what danger is there when YOU create the danger
yourselves?
In essence they have now created an US VS THEM mentality. If

police want to rule over us as masters they should expect a fight
from us.
04-13-2010 12:25 AM
Jacoba There is no law, state or federal that requires anyone to produce

Senior Member any form of ID to any agent of the state. Unless you are driving an
automobile on a public street, road or highway or acting as Pilot In
Registered: Jun 2009 Command of an aircraft and you have been lawfully stopped.
Location:
Posts: 439 The short answer is you are not required to carry ID on your person
in public or private, so how can you be compelled to produce an ID
you are not required to carry?
The USSC just ruled (again) that passengers are not required to
produce ID during a traffic stop unless the officer has probable
cause against you. But even then how can you provide an ID that
you are not legally required to carry. Your not driving...
Seems to me its just name, rank and serial number and STFU.
We haven't made it to Germany circa 1933, but damn if were aren't

headed in that direction.

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The police practice of giving false testimony in a criminal
trial, typically for the purpose of "making the case" against
someone they believe to be guilty when legal technicalities
weren't followed to the letter during the arrest, or while
searching.
If the first step towards madness is to see connections

between random events where there are none, what is it to
pretend that undeniable connections don't exist?
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xtratabasco How is this possible?

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How is this possible? I went to a FastCashLoans for a job interview,

Registered: Jul 2004 they want me to give out loans and
Location:
Posts: 2869 go get deatbeats that dont pay. I asked them, why dont you just
call the cops, isnt it a felony if you write a bad check for over 300
bucks. He said yes but the cops will not do anything for under
5,000 its is not on the priority list. He said that some criminals even
know this and write them for 4,500 or 4,750 etc.
Now, we live in a small town of 8,000 however, we have a large

police force (over 35 with about 28 officers) and a large sheriffs
dept. for a small area and we have a SWAT TEAM and TRIDENT a
drug team and we even have a SWAT TANK that costs almost half a
million dollars so it cant be that they dont have the man power or
muscle.

I was at the soup kitchen the other day helping and eating with the
poor and someone complained that there was 2 very small puppies
in the eating area, they were asleep and not bothering anyone,
however 5 cops showed up in 5 cop SUVs to get the criminal dogs
out. Last summer a woman was tased because she refused to
remove a garage sale sign from a city post, she argued with the cop
and just walked away from him with her daughter, so the cop tases
her. Another time a homeless woman was going through the
dumpster behind thrift store, a cop wanted to bother her with
questions, she too walked away and got tased. My friend was
arrested for wearing a shirt that said FU, and another who was
given a ticket for walking a dog without a leash. We have cops in
the park bothering pot smokers and cops in the town bothering
homeless people, but they wont investigate someone who steals
4,999. I declined the job but thinking about getting a loan for a
vacation.
this is insane.
10-01-2009 02:34 PM
liberranter XT, you don't honestly expect a cop to give you an honest and
Super Moderator coherent answer to your question, do you?
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xtratabasco quote:
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Registered: Jul 2004 XT, you don't honestly expect a cop to give you an
Location: honest and coherent answer to your question, do
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you?
funny you should mention that. Ill be posting their replies from
another website shortly.
so far Ill ive gotten are excuses.
10-01-2009 06:14 PM
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so far Ill ive gotten are excuses.
If you were to have gotten anything else, I'd have to doubt the
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saevander I'm under investigation

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I feel as if I am never going to be charged with anything, but my

Registered: Oct 2009 name and reputation have been destroyed. How can I find out what
Location:
Posts: 5 I'm under investigation for and why hasn't anyone brought me in
for questioning. I am harassed at every turn and am helpless to do
anything about it. The FOIA forms I have filed came back without
records, although I understand that if you're under investigation by
law enforcement, they don't have to give you the records or tell you
there are any. Can someone tell me exactly how an investigation
works and how long it can go on? Thanks.
10-21-2009 11:50 AM

mr.b What do you think you are under investigation for? Why are the
Senior Member swine stopping you? This is a local swine stopping you and to get
info, you need to file your states records act request and not the
federal one. You are right though if you are being investigated they
will not release crap. File a restraining order or law suit for civil
rights violation if they are stopping you for no reason. no only way
to get the swine off your back is to fight back.
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10-21-2009 01:42 PM
saevander Investigation
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Thanks for your reply. Why would a police officer, such as yourself,
Registered: Oct 2009 call your fellow officers, "swine?" Just curiious.
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mr.b
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I am no stinking swine!!!
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10-21-2009 09:21 PM

GC Marciano Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by saevander

Thanks for your reply. Why would a police
officer, such as yourself, call your fellow
officers, "swine?" Just curiious.

Posts: 9967
What makes you think he is a police officer?
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mr.b i smell the swine flu!!!

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saevander Ask A Cop Section

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I'm new to this forum and saw that this was the "Ask a Cop" section
Registered: Oct 2009 and couldn't understand why another cop would call a buddy a
Location:
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anyone.
10-22-2009 12:59 PM
mr.b My bad but never ask a cop for anything and you should ask the
Senior Member folks who have a law degree. Cops only think they know the law!!!
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10-23-2009 02:43 AM
saevander Thanks!
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Thanks!
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COPWATCH.com Forum - badge #'s
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paddywhack badge #'s

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how are badge #'s assigned? for example, would a rookie have a
Registered: Oct 2008 high number. say in triple digits, whereas someone on the force for
Location:
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number?
10-22-2008 03:32 PM

Night Raven Well, we know for certain...

Senior Member
...that any number on a badge over the number 55 has nothing

whatsoever to do with the copscum's IQ; those 55 and lower
apparently reflect the corresponding IQ score of the badge wearer.
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quote:
Location:
Originally posted by Night Raven
Posts: 6
...that any number on a badge over the number
55 has nothing whatsoever to do with the
copscum's IQ; those 55 and lower apparently
reflect the corresponding IQ score of the badge
wearer.
Too funny! This one's in really bad shape then. When I asked for his
badge # during our phone conversation the number he gave me is
only in the teens.
10-23-2008 12:23 AM

Nuklhed It all depends... You really want to get the ID number for the cop.
Junior Member Usually the badge number is just a number on the badge, it can be
traced back to the cop, but his ID number is the one you want.
Location: At least that is how it is out here in the west.
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10-23-2008 02:33 AM
liberranter Re: Re: Well, we know for certain...

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quote:
Originally posted by paddywhack
When I asked for his badge # during our

phone conversation the number he gave me is
only in the teens.

Posts: 5865
WOW! You lucked out and got ahold of one of the department's
intellectuals.
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10-23-2008 02:02 PM

Tracker Shield numbers are randomly assigned. In rare cases a son or

Junior Member daughter my request their parents shield number(If the parent is
deceased or retired) and usually it's granted.
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12-06-2008 02:54 PM
GlockGuy80 Every police department is different.

Junior Member
Some departments it is by seniority, Most senior=lowest badge
Registered: May 2009 number, eventually the deparment recycles the badge numbers to
Location: Westerly, RI fill in the gaps when officers retire or resign.
Posts: 6
Some departments it is completely random. When one officer
retires the next officer to take his place gets his badge number. So
you could have a rookie officer with badge 5 and a senior officer
with badge 40, and so on.
Hope this answered your question
06-03-2009 05:29 PM
mr.b officers use ID numbers given to them by Human Resources which

Senior Member is the employee id #. most department issue badges to new officers
from retired old farts so if you live in a large municipality with a lot
of officers it is best to get the name because sometimes badge
numbers will not be enough as they can lie like most of them do. It
does not take rocket science to get these fuks names and you
might not get it then all you have to do is have a good looking babe
go up to them and they will give you whatever u want. done that so
Registered: Oct 2005 many times it's funny because they have refused to give me names
Location: CALIFORNIA and when I plaster there faces all over my site with their names
Posts: 1072 they wonder how I got it. STUPID SWINE!!!!
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Obstruction of Justice
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curious52 Obstruction of Justice

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Why can't a police officer/police department be charged with

Obstruction of Justice?
Registered: Apr 2009

Location: Temple, Texas
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04-27-2009 12:49 PM

Fornit Maybe because they OWN a justice?

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curious52 Obstruction of Justice

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WHAT?
I tried to charge McGregor, TX PD with obstruction of justice,
because they did not investigate my son's suspicious death and
Registered: Apr 2009 would not answer my questions.
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www.americaiswatching.org (Joshua Robinson) Attached documents.
04-30-2009 02:13 AM
Cataclysm They can be charged with that crime curious.

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04-30-2009 03:15 AM

Night Raven curious52

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curious52, you may have to pursue this matter on a federal level?
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04-30-2009 09:59 AM
curious52 Case?
Junior Member
How?
If you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate. I can't locate an
attorney, willing to take this case on.
04-30-2009 10:59 AM
curious52 Amendment
Junior Member
Catyclysm~
You need to hold on a goddarn minute.
Just because you're a cop, doesn't make you God!
Registered: Apr 2009 I don't care what you may or may not think. I only posted my son's
Posts: 12
suspicious death in this forum, to give the people who actually care
about justice a chance to see what really happens when police take
the power to their heads, which is WHY 'bullies' grow up to be cops!
If you don't like that I've posted my story/questions here, contact
the administrator........get'r done!
04-30-2009 11:05 AM

Cataclysm Re: Amendment

quote:
Originally posted by curious52

Catyclysm~
You need to hold on a goddarn minute.
Just because you're a cop, doesn't make you God!
I don't care what you may or may not think. I
only posted my son's suspicious death in this
forum, to give the people who actually care about
justice a chance to see what really happens when
police take the power to their heads, which is
Registered: Jun 2007 WHY 'bullies' grow up to be cops!
Location: The edge of If you don't like that I've posted my story/
INSANITY we call "occupied" questions here, contact the administrator........
Amerika.
get'r done!
Posts: 566
Ok, maybe I missed something. You ask the question and I simply
stated police can be charged with that particular crime. I have
absolutely no problem with what you posted.
I really do not understand your lashing out at me. Police are

charged with Obstruction of Justice on the Federal Level often.
I was simply answering your question.
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liberranter quote:
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Just because you're a cop, doesn't make you
God!
Curious, I'm afraid you've misunderstood Cataclysm. Believe

me, he's no cop.
His statement is technically correct; cops have indeed been

charged in the past, at least at the federal level, with
Posts: 5865 obstruction. Unfortunately, a casual glance at the number of
actual convictions for that offense doesn't offer a lot of
encouragement to those of us who believe in justice and
equality under the law. From what little anecdotal evidence I've
seen, obstruction charges are generally only pursued against
cops ex posto facto, and then usually only after evidence arises
that their acts of obstruction have somehow cost the State a
criminal conviction and/or have embarrassed the powers-that-
be within the 'justice' [sic] system. At this point some lowly cop,
while far from blameless but who is NOT the actual perpetrator
of the obstructive acts, is usually made a symbolic scapegoat
for a higher power's sins while those higher powers who
condone and encourage such abuses remain in power and
unscathed.
All of that said, I certainly hope that this doesn't deter you from
seeking justice for your son's murder. The more relentlessly we
citizens make it known that we're not going to stand for crimes
by "law enforcement", the less cavalier these criminals will be
about victimizing us.
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04-30-2009 02:58 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Fornit
Maybe because they OWN a justice?
Good possibility...
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curious52 Murder?
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Why do you say, 'murder'?

I only posted the website where one can read the story, which is
only a small part of the big picture, as I, as the mother, know every
Registered: Apr 2009 aspect of this case.
Posts: 12
What I can't understand, is the "Equal Justice For All' by the
Constitution of the United States. Where is this for the average
citizen?
Also, I asked McGregor PD/City of McGregor for the official time/
taped copy of the 911 call. I was told this had been destroyed!
WHY?????
The complainant/the person that called 911, told me he called 911
@ 5:15AM. McGregor dspatched ONE officer~former Officer Norris,
to Amsler Park "For Possible Suicide" @ 5:35AM, arriving on scene
ONE minute later. The four officers on scene, stated they did not

recognize the subject, whom one (yet unknown) officer had seen in
Amsler Park @ 1AM~~~only 4 hours, 36 minutes prior! Joshua was
in the same clothes @ 1AM and 5:36AM!
Amsler Park has a 10PM curfew for everyone, and McGregor PD had
an opportunity to once again harrass/arrest Josh for curfew
violation....or did they try? My thoughts are that they got close
enough to him, because all the 8 officers/McGregor knew Josh very
well!
Yet, McGregor dispatched the ONE officer 20 minutes later! WHY?
I was told the clocks were not synchronized AND the complainant
had to go to his home to use his phone, but he LIVED directly
across the street! The complainant also told me to 'read his
statement', but I was told by the dept. that he didn't give them one.
Only 8 minutes later, @ 5:44, Officer Norris ran a wants and
warrants check on the 'unknown' subject, with NO identification. At
6:15AM, JP Culpepper pronounced the unknown subject deceased.
At 6:29AM, he was removed from the chain, the back of his shirt
was pulled down, revealing ROIBNSON tattooed across his upper
back. An officer commented, 'because of the proximity to the
Robinson's home, they figured he must be a cousin they had never
dealt with.'
Former chief, Ron Wadkins, told me, via Mayor Hering: "It's not like
the officers have drivers license numbers in their heads. A wants
and warrants check is done in case there's a warrant, it can be
dismissed.' Current chief/Former Texas Ranger: "The wants and
warrants check was done on the complainant, not Joshua Robinson!"
Former Sgt. Freeman was called on duty @ 4:37AM. WHY????
Per the statement of former Officer Kirby, he stated he was the first
on the scene, checking for a pulse, but his patrol car (#1507) was
NOT dispatched to Amsler Park!
One day, as I was driving Josh's 1984 Cadillac downtown, I went by
Officer Kirby. His draw 'dropped to the ground'...it was priceless, as
I think he thought he was seeing a ghost!
I spoke with his wife in the laundromat one day. Of course, I didn't
know who she was at the time. I noticed she was washing police
uniforms, and asked her if her husband worked for LE. She
explained that her husband was Kirby...I decided it best not to talk
to her..and said so. She asked if her husband had done something
to me...I told her, "No, it wasn't me, it was my son."
She 'said' she had no iea of what I was talking about, so I told her.
She said her husband tells her everything, but hadn't heard about
this! She told me she would ask him about it.
I saw her again, about 2 months later, and asked her if she had
talked to her husband. She said she had, but he refused to talk
about it. Hmmm???
The Animal Control Officer, Tim Fisk, for MANY years in McGregor,
also resigned. He told a good friend of his, 'because we knew too
much.'
I know my son. I know he would not take his own life, but HAD to
consider the possibility......I did, but even the autopsy does not list
an etiological specific disease/injury to attribute to his death.
As the mother of Joshua, I know that no matter what I do, he is
never coming back. THIS is not my point!

I want justice in his death. I have to know the truth!

Where is the justice???????????????????????
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Why have the Ask a Cop forum?
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toomey Why have the Ask a Cop forum?

Junior Member
Why even have this forum? Whenever someone asks a legitimate

Registered: Jan 2009 question and someone tries to answer it it turns into a cop-bashing
Location:
Posts: 4 free for all. So I ask again why even have this forum.
However I am looking for a collection of videos were the police are

acting stupid. You-Tube is blocked at work and I need it for a
citizens group I am going to present too. Any help would be great.
01-06-2009 07:04 PM

liberranter Re: Why have the Ask a Cop forum?

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quote:
Originally posted by toomey

Why even have this forum? Whenever
someone asks a legitimate question and
someone tries to answer it it turns into a cop-
bashing free for all. So I ask again why even
have this forum.

Posts: 5865
We provide the forum as a way to give cops a chance to answer
legitimate questions (often hard-hitting) from citizens that they
cannot (or are afraid to) ask a cop in person. It's true that very
often the cops respond with stock/propagandistic/party line
responses that are transparent nonsense and we call them on
it. At other times you'll also notice that they answer
professionally and courteously and that we treat them with the
same.
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01-07-2009 03:00 AM

MGMAN "Why have the Ask a Cop forum? "

Senior Member
Because Coptrolls love to come in and cause trouble, and the
admins decided to set up a forum .
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01-07-2009 12:26 PM
Night Raven Ok, ok, ya got us...

Senior Member
We admit that it is probably a cruel joke to pretend to be serious

about soliciting informed, intelligent opinions from copscum--kind of
like asking the village idiot what the secret to his success is, or
asking your coon hound to explain trigonometry. But hey, times are
tough, and humor is hard to come by; besides, what harm is there
done to the copscum who is dull normal anyway, and hardly able to
detect or even suspect that his idiocy is a wonderful source of
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01-07-2009 01:24 PM
toomey Good points.

Junior Member
Can any of you direct me towards the videos I was looking for?
Location: Like I said You-Tube is blocked at work.
Posts: 4
01-07-2009 04:13 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by toomey
Can any of you direct me towards the videos I

was looking for?
Like I said You-Tube is blocked at work.
Registered: Jun 2005 If don't have access to a computer at home, the best
recommendation I can give you would be to get access to a
Posts: 5865
computer at some location other than work (e.g., a local library,
FEDEX/Kinko's, a friend, etc.) where you can download the
YouTube videos, or Google for others on other sites.
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vi3t1uv Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

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profilady Suicide-by-Cop
Junior Member
Hello. I am new to the forum but need your input. I am in grad

school studying Forensic Psychology. I am doing a research paper
on Suicide-by-Cop (SBC). I have the psychological information but
am looking for the information from the "cop" side.
For example - how has the off and on epidemic of SBC affected the
Registered: Jun 2008 officers in how they approach a subject that is carrying what
Location: Phoenix appears to be a weapon? Is the officer less likely to use it because
Posts: 5 of the SBC being so, once again, popular?
If there are bona fide resources / links that I can get additional
information - I would appreciate your giving me a heads up on
them.
Additionally I would like to hear from first hand accounts of police

officers that have been involved in, or know something about, this
subject. The officer or individuals who assist with providing
information to me WILL be 100% anonymous.
Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.
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www.WrittenEscape.com
06-01-2008 02:45 AM
Navigatr1 profilady
Extended Sabatical Are you talking about where a cop commits suicide, or a citizen
commits suicide by a cop? The first situation has been defined by us
as suicide by cop, and the latter situation as suicide by citizen.
Registered: Jul 2003 --Navigatr1

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owners of this board. Articles posted on this board by me, or other members, are
merely a collection of publicly published articles on the internet that are
conveniently posted in one place. The purpose of the articles is accountability for
too often law enforcement officers just get a slap on the wrist. The use of these
articles is for non-profit use, as well as educational and historical purposes.
Paraphrasing Maureen Kanka: "You got to be able to tell the children who the bad
guys are."
From the movie "V for Vendetta:

"People shouldn't be afraid of their government, governments should be afraid of
their people."
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06-01-2008 08:24 AM

profilady I work with the SMI population (severely mentally ill) and the police
Junior Member call me to their scenes if they think someone is mentally ill instead
of taking them to jail.
I have talked to these officers who say, "He said he was suicidal so
when he pulled his weapon, I did not want to commit suicide-by-
cop".
I have talked to the SMI person who said, "I am suicidal but do not
Location: Phoenix have the balls to do it myself so I wanted the cop to shoot me
Posts: 5 instead".
This occurs frequently or, I should say, is a common PLAN for the
SMI's and so I have interviewed them for the psychological part of
my paper.
However, while the officers I worked with who made comments like
the one above, they have not been involved in a completed act so
they only answered how they feel about NOT wanting to be involved
in one.
Therefore I am looking for officers that have first hand history or

experience in this type of situation.
Sorry for a long answer - I thought perhaps it would better explain

what I am in search of.
Thank you!
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06-01-2008 02:38 PM
Navigatr1 I moved this thread to the ask a cop forum since you are looking
Extended Sabatical for a cop's perspective. I figured it was a better fit for this board. I
left a link in the suicide by cop forum to this thread though. Suicide
by cop is defined a little differently on this board to mean where a
cop commits suicide rather than the more traditional view of a
Registered: Jul 2003 citizen committing suicide at the hands of a cop. Hopefully some of
Location: the other members can help you with your question.
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The severely mentally ill is a problem in the United States, which is
basically swept under the rug. Our mental health system is so bad
that our jails and prison's end up being de facto mental health
institutions giving minimal care to the mentally ill. Once they leave
jail or prison, they are given anywhere from a few days to 30 days
worth of meds. Usually they are hooked up with mental health

resources when they are released. So they end up back in jail or

prison again.
Some may wish to commit suicide in order to avoid being locked up

again in an environment that is meant to punish rather then treat
them for their mental illness. You may want to look at this aspect
for your research paper.
quote:
If there are bona fide resources / links that I can get

additional information - I would appreciate your giving
me a heads up on them.
Here is a phone number for people thinking of committing suicide,

which you may wish to call. (800) suicide (784-2433). The number
is the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. Just tell them that you
are doing a research paper on suicide, and wanted to check the
number out.
http://www.hopeline.com/
Another number is 1-800-273-TALK (8255). The National Suicide

Prevention Lifeline is a 24-hour, toll-free suicide prevention service
available to anyone in suicidal crisis.
http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
Both of these numbers would be worth mentioning in your paper.
--Navigatr1
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06-02-2008 08:44 AM
profilady Thank you!

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Thank you so very much. I really appreciate your assistance.
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Originally posted by profilady
I have talked to these officers who say, "He said
he was suicidal so when he pulled his weapon, I
did not want to commit suicide-by-cop".
I have talked to the SMI person who said, "I am

suicidal but do not have the balls to do it myself
Registered: Feb 2007 so I wanted the cop to shoot me instead".
Location: This is hell.
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First, cops are never so concerned about killing people--sick or not.

Second, I doubt seriously that anyone would characterize
themselves as having no balls.
That's very enlightened of you as someone who supposedly works
with the "SMI."
Do NOT call those 800 numbers for help. They have been taken
over by the Homeland Gestapo. Despite claiming to be private and
confidential, they are not. Apparently, "suicidal" means "suicide
bomber" these days. They WILL send cops to your door. They WILL
say anything necessary in order to get you into custody. They WILL
pretend that they want to help you, then they WILL treat you like
scum. They WILL only add to your problems. They only want to fill
beds and collect a check.
I know these things from firsthand experience. For your own good,
do NOT call these lying scumbags. You are better off dead than you
are on their list.
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06-02-2008 05:41 PM
profilady SMI & your comments

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Thank you, first of all, for your comments. Interesting take you
have on the 800#'s. Thankfully I am not suicidal
As for the SMI remark...
I am a Clinical Liaison for a mental health clinic. There are 3 types

Registered: Jun 2008 of SMI's:
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 5 (1) Those that do not admit to their illness and who would also not
admit to not having "balls".
(2) Those that do admit to their illness and admit that they are
suicidal and do not have the "balls".
(3) Those that admit to their illness, take the meds, and live a fairly
'normal' life.
The suicide-by-cop of which I speak about is the (2) above. These

use their illness as excuse that life sux and think suicide is their
only option - after all, another quote, "it's easier than living with a
mental illness every f'n day".
Hope that helps to clarify.
Thanks again!
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06-02-2008 10:55 PM

Malprac SBC
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The police are trained to handle and shoot weapons but most of
them are not prepared mentally and psychologically. Specially,
when they are faced by someone who is trying to commit suicide by
Registered: May 2008 cop. I have killed in Iraq before, and until now, it still sickens me. It
Location: Los Angeles sickens me that I had to shoot and kill. It sickens me that I had to
Posts: 6
go to some foreign land, to search and destroy. It sickens me that I
had killed another human being. The psychological trauma will
haunt you fro the rest of your life.
06-03-2008 02:33 PM
Malprac Moonchild...
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Location: Los Angeles
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06-03-2008 02:38 PM
AVENGER Yeah, I wasn't suicidal either. That's the point. I was depressed
Senior Member over a friend's death and just wanted to talk to someone about it.
The a'hole who answered didn't like my attitude--the truth hurts
and the sheltered, ignorant masses don't like to hear about reality--
so he lied when he called 911 just to have me harassed by the cops.
Per the "no balls" comment, my point was that someone might say
that they were Catholic and do not believe in suicide or they might
indeed state that they were afraid to kill themselves. I still doubt
seriously that anyone would use the term "no balls." I believe that
Registered: Feb 2007 this is your term, based on your lack of respect for the mentally ill.
Location: This is hell. As an example, when I state to people that I am self-employed,
Posts: 679
they disrespectfully use the term "unemployed." There is a
difference. A huge one. But when someone doesn't kiss ass all day
and jump through hoops for a measly paycheck like everyone else,
others seek to disparage them. The fact is that I am self-employed
and I make more in a day than most of these people make in a
week or a month. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
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06-03-2008 07:21 PM
dsntslp Re: SMI & your comments

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Originally posted by profilady
Posts: 196
Thank you, first of all, for your comments.
Interesting take you have on the 800#'s.
Thankfully I am not suicidal
As for the SMI remark...
I am a Clinical Liaison for a mental health clinic.

There are 3 types of SMI's:
(1) Those that do not admit to their illness and

who would also not admit to not having "balls".
(2) Those that do admit to their illness and admit

that they are suicidal and do not have the "balls".
(3) Those that admit to their illness, take the

meds, and live a fairly 'normal' life.
The suicide-by-cop of which I speak about is the

(2) above. These use their illness as excuse that
life sux and think suicide is their only option -
after all, another quote, "it's easier than living
with a mental illness every f'n day".
Hope that helps to clarify.
Thanks again!
How about "brass ovaries!"???
06-04-2008 01:12 AM

profilady Understood and not at all

Junior Member
Thanks again for your input.
I completely understand what you are talking about re: self

employment. I have been running my international agency for 22
years and make more than anyone I know in my "circle of friends"
per se. I love doing POST training, ceu trainings and case consulting
Registered: Jun 2008 - been my life forever including growing up in the field.
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 5 I am only doing my other "jobs" because it is a requirement for my
graduate program to work in psych so, until I graduate I have no
choice.
However I have a TON of respect for the mentally ill (as with
anyone else) as long as they do something to HELP themselves.
Mentally ill or not - it's not a crutch. Just like cancer is not an
excuse to lay down and give up - neither is mental illness. It's just
that... an illness. I beat cancer and I didn't give up. I have met
people with mental illnesses (sometimes too many dx and psych
meds to count) and they don't give up. I do not respect anyone
who takes a selfish and proverbial "easy way out".
The world is a mess and life is about choice (whether in thought or

behavior)... period.
FYI - because I came on for one purpose, to get answers to help

with my paper (& have some interesting info to run with) I will be
ending my time here.
However I want to say THANK YOU to all who responded and, of

course, STAY SAFE !!
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06-04-2008 03:44 AM

curious52 Suicde by Cop

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Hello, I am the mother of Joshua Robinson.

He was found dead in Amsler Park/McGregor, Tx on Feb. 16, 2006.
McGregor PD did not investigate.
Registered: Apr 2009 Read my post: Suicide or Murder?
Posts: 12
McGregor officers presumed that he committed suicide, but I
disagree! I believe, after 3 years of research, that he was murdered
by police and placed in the chain to cover the death.
Crime Scene photo: www.americaiswatching.org (Joshua Robinson)
Click on the underlined passages.
Contact me: welovejoshua@yahoo.com
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waterinthefuel Another question for a traffic cop...

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I know that laws are different in different states, hell even different
Registered: Dec 2006 cities, but I was wondering if those license plate covers and
Location:
Posts: 15 whatnot are legal, the ones that allow you to read the plate fine
from behind, but from the side where a camera would snap it's
photo it is blurry. We have these damn cameras in our city and I
don't agree with them so I would like to put them on my motorcycle
and truck. I have one for each, I just need to know if they're legal
or not.
Any opinions? I've heard of people getting them confiscated or even

tickets for them, but I would fight it in court as it doesn't block the
plate at all from behind, where it really matters.

02-28-2009 04:39 PM
GC Marciano While I'm not a cop, here's a little bit of information that may
Copwatcher Extraordinaire help.
For obvious reasons, covering up your license plate to make it

unreadable is against the law. There are two types of plate
covers that allow your plate to be read by humans but not by
red light cameras:
1) Crystallized plate covers are designed to reflect too much

light back to the camera causing it to take an overexposed
Registered: Jul 2003 pictures.
Posts: 9967 2) Lenticular plate covers are designed to distort your license
plate from an angle. This makes most of the letters and number
of the license plate unreadable by red light cameras.
Because these covers do not obstruct the visibility of the plate

to the human eye but effectively disrupt the photograph, many
states have enacted laws that outlaw license plate covers of
any kind. My state of Illinois is one of these, outlawing even
clear plate covers in January of 2006.
If plate covers are illegal in your state, perhaps you can try
"PhotoBlocker". http://www.phantomplate.com/print_fox31.
html. It's a bit expensive, but it's supposed to work well.
Most red light cameras rely on lasers can be exploited using a

laser jammer. These devices generate laser jamming signals so
that your speed can't be detected accurately. Unlike radar
jammers, laser jammers are legal to own and use and work
much better than radar jammers.
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photoman Will a laser jammer prevent a cop from getting your correct speed
Senior Member on the typical radar units they use?
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02-28-2009 05:42 PM
GC Marciano It depends on if the specific agency uses radar or laser (also

Copwatcher Extraordinaire known as "lidar").
If the officer is using laser device, the signal should be

effectively disrupted resulting in the inability to determine your
speed.
A laser jammer will have no effect on a radar device.
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photoman Nice information to know - now where do I find the jammer GC? LOL
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I think with my Valentine Radar Detector and that Jammer, I can
Registered: Aug 2006 drastically cut down my chances of getting accosted by the State
Location: Under your bed... revenue collectors!
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Originally posted by photoman
Nice information to know - now where do I
find the jammer GC?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...em=330310440246
Registered: Jul 2003 That's probably the best deal you will find on the M25 Xtreme,
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one of the best brands out there... Jump on it quick before eBay
cancels the ad for violating their "prohibited items" policy.
Here is their normal sales website: http://www.radarbusters.

com/laser-j...erm25xtreme.cfm
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paddywhack warrants
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if someone has a family member on the police force working in the

Registered: Oct 2008 records department could they mysteriuosly make those warrants
Location:
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10-22-2008 03:18 PM

mr.b No, because warrants are issued by the courts and the clerk enters
Senior Member them into the states data base, ncic etc etc. Officers only have
access to what the system shows them and then they have to
confirm the warrant with the issuing agency to see if it is any good.
many times a warrant appears on the data base but may have been
cleared by the courts so this is why they have to confirm the
warrant before hooking you up.
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10-22-2008 10:56 PM
paddywhack quote:
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Originally posted by mr.b
Registered: Oct 2008 No, because warrants are issued by the courts
Location: and the clerk enters them into the states data
Posts: 6 base, ncic etc etc. Officers only have access to
what the system shows them and then they have
to confirm the warrant with the issuing agency to
see if it is any good. many times a warrant
appears on the data base but may have been
cleared by the courts so this is why they have to
confirm the warrant before hooking you up.
Thank you for your reply Mr. B. Reason I asked was because after
being assaulted in the town where I live the officers filing the report
told me that they issued a warrant and that the town where the
assaulter lived also had warrants on him. Every time I called the
town where the assaulter lived though (where his family members
are on the force) to find out why he hadn't been picked up they
kept telling me there were NO warrants on him.
10-23-2008 12:49 AM

paddywhack quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Oct 2008 No, because warrants are issued by the courts
Location: and the clerk enters them into the states data
Posts: 6 base, ncic etc etc. Officers only have access to
what the system shows them and then they have
to confirm the warrant with the issuing agency to
see if it is any good. many times a warrant
appears on the data base but may have been
cleared by the courts so this is why they have to
confirm the warrant before hooking you up.
Also Mr. B, you said that they have to confirm the warrant with the
issuing agency. One of the times that I called I called 911 to find
out why this person hadn't been picked up. The person on the
phone asked me who issued the warrant and I told them. They told
me that they would have to verify it with that police district. I said
ok but before hanging up I said to them "Is this so and so?" and
they said "Yes it is". It had been his cousin that I was talking to. He
was finally picked up two weeks later when I called the officers in
the town where I was assaulted. So I assume that his cousin
working 911 never even called to verify the warrant.
10-23-2008 01:12 AM
mr.b Next time call the sheriffs office instead of the local pd.
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Tracker At one time anything could disappear, especially knowing the "right
Junior Member people." Today computer chips, micro cameras and a whole array of
security defense products make this nearly immpossible to do -
Registered: Sep 2008 BUT- if it's done SOMEONE GOING TO JAIL BESIDE THE GUY ON
Location: THE WARRANT!
Posts: 12
12-06-2008 03:38 PM
GC Marciano quote:
At one time anything could disappear,
especially knowing the "right people." Today
computer chips, micro cameras and a whole
array of security defense products make this
nearly immpossible to do -BUT- if it's done
SOMEONE GOING TO JAIL BESIDE THE GUY ON
THE WARRANT!
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Now if that isn't a pile of bullshit propaganda...
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photoman quote:
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Registered: Aug 2006 Now if that isn't a pile of bullshit propaganda...
Posts: 875
Yeah I agree - too many cases of that not being correct in news
reports weekly!
12-06-2008 04:51 PM
Tracker It's happened before. I didn't think you believe everything your
Junior Member read but it sure looks like it.

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12-06-2008 05:45 PM
GC Marciano No, if I believed everything I read I'd accept your BS claim that
Copwatcher Extraordinaire due to modern technology it doesn't happen without the pig
facing accountability.
As it stands, I take credible evidence and the report of credible

media outlets above some self-described cop with an agenda on
a forum. Are you seriously implying that reputable media
outlets regularly fabricate stories of cops kidnapping, raping,
torturing, beating, murdering and harassing the citizens? Come
on, I realize you're just a cop but you can't really be that stupid.
Location: Chicago, Illinois Anybody who would blindly believe anything a cop would say is
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a complete idiot. After all - cops are trained, professional liars.
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Originally posted by paddywhack
Registered: Dec 2008 Also Mr. B, you said that they have to confirm the
Location: warrant with the issuing agency. One of the times
Posts: 72 that I called I called 911 to find out why this
person hadn't been picked up. The person on the
phone asked me who issued the warrant and I
told them. They told me that they would have to
verify it with that police district. I said ok but
before hanging up I said to them "Is this so and
so?" and they said "Yes it is". It had been his
cousin that I was talking to. He was finally picked
up two weeks later when I called the officers in
the town where I was assaulted. So I assume that
his cousin working 911 never even called to verify
the warrant.
I'll tell you exactly why that person hadn't been picked up yet. I'm
going to assume that the warrant was a misdemeanor warrant. If
it's not, then disregard the next statements. Police officers usually
don't concern themselves with going out of their way to go to
people's last known addresses and arresting people for
misdemeanors. They usually get picked up on traffic stops or if they
have contact with police in other ways. This may take weeks or
months to happen after the warrant is issued.
Also, next time, don't use an emergency 911 line to check on the
status of a warrant. It is for emergency use only.
12-12-2008 11:24 PM

liberranter Originally posted by crxguy

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quote:
Police officers usually don't concern

themselves with going out of their way to go
to people's last known addresses and
arresting people for misdemeanors. They
usually get picked up on traffic stops or if they
have contact with police in other ways. This
may take weeks or months to happen after the
Registered: Jun 2005 warrant is issued.
Posts: 5865
Cops don't concern themselves with citizen concerns, PERIOD,

unless it somehow benefits the cops, or "if they have time" (i.
e., they're not already busy extorting innocent motorists,
shaking down drug dealers, tazing and beating up elderly or
disabled citizens or children, sexually assaulting woman or
children, or any of the other lawlessly reprehensible things
swine do on a daily basis, when not otherwise serving as armed
mafiosi for their State masters).
Paddywhack, what crxguy is doing here, in so many words, is

reminding us that cops aren't in any way obligated to "protect
and serve" us, regardless of the message behind the bullshit
expression that they throw in our faces each time we remind
them of their criminal negligence and utter uselessness.
quote:
Also, next time, don't use an emergency 911

line to check on the status of a warrant. It is
for emergency use only.
Translation: We're busy raising revenue and terrorizing other

citizens, so fuck off and don't bother us, unless you want to get
arrested yourself.
Thanks, crxguy, for reminding us once again of why this forum

exists and has more material than it can ever possibly use.
Many have come before you, and no doubt many more will
follow.
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12-13-2008 03:11 PM
crxguy Are you an anarchist or are you just really that ignorant? Serious
Member question because from that post it sounds like you aren't living in
the same world as the rest of the society that I live in.
Registered: Dec 2008
Location: So lets take your post and examine what is absolutely wrong.
Posts: 72
"Cops don't concern themselves with citizen concerns, PERIOD,
unless it somehow benefits the cops, or 'if they have time'
False. I concern myself with the citizens I serve every day. I answer
radio calls from false burglar alarms to armed robberies. My victims
may not always be so innocent, but they are still victims of crimes
and I still do my job to the best of my abilities.
(i.e., they're not already busy extorting innocent motorists, shaking

down drug dealers, tazing and beating up elderly or disabled
citizens or children, sexually assaulting woman or children, or any
of the other lawlessly reprehensible things swine do on a daily
basis, when not otherwise serving as armed mafiosi for their State
masters)."
Never have I ever done the above stated things, nor have I seen
another officer do any of the above stated things. I would turn
them into IA in a heart beat. I am not denying that these things
might happen, but they are isolated incidents within certain
departments. They are certainly not every day occurrences for
every police officer.
"Translation: We're busy raising revenue and terrorizing other

citizens, so **** off and don't bother us, unless you want to get
arrested yourself."
No. 911 operators are busy handling real emergencies such as

dispatching ambulances, firetrucks, and police cars to all types of

calls from injury cases to burglaries in progress. Look up the non-

emergency number next time if you want to talk to someone about
a non-emergency related matter.
12-13-2008 07:52 PM
Night Raven Ya know, crx...

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Ya know, crx, I'm sure that we'd all like to believe that any of us
could click his ruby work boots and be in Kansas, or Oz, or
Arkansas...or wherever else there are people who really believe the
swill that you're trying to ladle out here.
We often hear the same from other copscum who are desperately
trying to convince (?) us that they are really nice guys. Personally, I
Registered: May 2008 think that these desperate folks are more than a little mistaken
Location: (dishonest?), and are seeking solace and understanding from us in
Posts: 4804
order to somehow justify their psychopathic thoughts and deeds.
Doesn't work. The numbers of lying, cheating, thieving, murdering

copscum are indeed vast and, to all indications, are steadily
increasing. That's why this website exists. You can swear up and
down on a stack of bibles, pledge this, salute that, and vow to be
good, yet the numbers tell a different story. In other words, the
actions of copscum speak for themselves.
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12-13-2008 08:56 PM

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quote:
Are you an anarchist or are you just really that

ignorant?
To answer your question, yes, I am an anarchist (more

Registered: Jun 2005 accurately, an anarcho-capitalist), as are many other members
Location: Tucson, AZ of this forum. Since you obviously have the same misconception
Posts: 5865 of "anarchy" as 98-plus-percent of the rest of America, let me
provide you with MY definition of the word, one broadly shared
by many, if not most libertarians:
"A condition or society in which members deal with one another

in a peaceful and entirely VOLUNTARY manner, respecting the
sanctity of every individual's life and property, with reliance on
voluntary association and transactions rather than coercion and
expropriation (i.e., theft)."
For a philosophical expansion on this concept, read this

gentleman's take here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/
shaffer60.html
By the way, the word "anarchy" literally means "without a

ruler."
Now given the definition I provided above, does this sound like
a society in which people riot, loot, maim, kill, and otherwise
destroy life and property? The idea that society needs a
coercive, centralized State to guarantee "freedom" or "free
association" is roughly akin to the idea expressed by the
humorous old saying that "fighting for peace is like fucking for
virginity."
By the way, what you and most Americans think of as

"anarchism" is actually violent nihilism, behavior that no true
anarchist/anarcho-capitalist would countenance for a
nanosecond.
quote:
Serious question because from that post it

sounds like you aren't living in the same world
as the rest of the society that I live in.

Sadly, I am living in the very same world you're living in: a

world distorted by violence, extortion, theft, and brutal
coercion, in large part the result of the "work" of you and your
blue-clad cohorts and political-industrial establishment by whom
you are employed. Would that my world really was different....
quote:
So lets take your post and examine what is

absolutely wrong.
"Cops don't concern themselves with citizen

concerns, PERIOD, unless it somehow benefits
the cops, or 'if they have time'
False. I concern myself with the citizens I

serve every day. I answer radio calls from
false burglar alarms to armed robberies. My
victims may not always be so innocent, but
they are still victims of crimes and I still do
my job to the best of my abilities.
Whatever. Every cop I've ever met swears on his dead mother's
grave that he selflessly serves the public at the expense of his
own life and limb. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but given all
the emphasis (nay, obsession) with "officer safety" that
characterizes today's PDs, as well as the fact that any cop who
truly stands up for the rights and property of the citizen against
the routine depradations of his fellow blueclads will lose his job
or worse, I'm laying my money on "don't."
I notice, however, that you didn't argue with my statement that

cops ARE NOT LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO RESPOND TO CITIZEN
CALLS FOR HELP. Abundant legal precedent says so clearly (see
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales,
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren...ct_of_Columbia,
and here: http://www2.newpaltz.edu/~zuckerpr/cases/riss.htm,
to name just three of MANY such cases). Would you care to
comment on this, or show me convincing evidence that these
legal precedents are false?
quote:
(i.e., they're not already busy extorting

innocent motorists, shaking down drug
dealers, tazing and beating up elderly or

disabled citizens or children, sexually

assaulting woman or children, or any of the
other lawlessly reprehensible things swine do
on a daily basis, when not otherwise serving
as armed mafiosi for their State masters)."
Never have I ever done the above stated

things, nor have I seen another officer do any
of the above stated things. I would turn them
into IA in a heart beat. I am not denying that
these things might happen, but they are
isolated incidents within certain departments.
They are certainly not every day occurrences
for every police officer.
No, of course YOU'VE never done any of these things. No cop

ever has - just ask him/her. As for these actions being "isolated
incidents", our own forum with its newslinks to various sources
around the world reporting the criminal actions of cops, judges,
and prosecutors everywhere tells me otherwise; indeed, these
are probably only frost on the tip of the proverbial iceberg in
terms of the number of criminal scumbags working for the State
who do these things everyday. These reports are only the
actions of those who were discovered and reported, and yet
they still number several dozen per week. Can you imagine the
number of UNREPORTED incidents due to citizens being too
terrified to protect themselves by reporting these vermin (who
can blame them? After all, who are they going to report
thieving, raping, murdering cops to? Other cops?) or due to a
negligent newsmedia that refuses to see these creatures as
anything other than heroes?
quote:
"Translation: We're busy raising revenue and

terrorizing other citizens, so **** off and
don't bother us, unless you want to get
arrested yourself."
No. 911 operators are busy handling real

emergencies such as dispatching ambulances,
firetrucks, and police cars to all types of calls
from injury cases to burglaries in progress.
Look up the non-emergency number next time
if you want to talk to someone about a non-
emergency related matter.

"Real" emergencies? So someone who is threatening the life or

property of a citizen isn't an "emergency" if the warrant out on
that person is "only" for a misdemeanor? Interesting. That
aside, I notice that you didn't address Paddywhack's original
concern, which was that the 911 operator was A RELATIVE
of the subject of the warrant. Given this amplifying piece of
information, are you still willing to side with the official story
(you don't have to answer; I think we know what your response
will be in advance).
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Grigg
12-13-2008 09:15 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by crxguy
Also, next time, don't use an emergency 911
line to check on the status of a warrant. It is
for emergency use only.
Registered: Jul 2003 This varies city to city. I have been in small towns/counties say
Location: Chicago, Illinois anything requiring contact with Law Enforcement (questions
Posts: 9967
included) must go through 911.
Quit trying to act like you know everything. There's a reason

you're only a cop.
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agents.
12-13-2008 10:10 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 This varies city to city. I have been in small
Location: towns/counties say anything requiring contact
Posts: 72 with Law Enforcement (questions included) must
go through 911.
Quit trying to act like you know everything.

There's a reason you're only a cop.
Which towns and counties are you talking about? And does the
thread starter live in one of these towns/counties?
Anyways, moving on to liberranter's post. The three articles you

posted are bad links. But I decided to take a look at court cases and
here's the deal.
The Castle Rock v Gonzales case revolved on whether or not a

mandatory arrest for violating a restraining order was in Colorado
state law. It was not, therefore the police did not violate any laws.
The District of Columbia case is not an issue of police response to

citizens calls for help. The police responded. The issue at hand was
whether someone can sue the police for failing to protect them. If
the person suing the department would have won, it would have set
a precedent for any victim of any crime to be able to sue their
department. It is impossible for police to be every where all the
time to prevent crime.
The other link was also broken so I'm not sure what the third case
is that you're talking about.

Also, Wikipedia is not a scholarly source.
How about Thurman v. City of Torrington, decided in U.S. District

Court of Connecticut. A domestic violence case in which the opinion
states:
"City officials and police officers are under an affirmative duty to

preserve law and order, and to protect the personal safety of
persons in the community. This duty applies equally to women
whose personal safety is threatened by individuals with whom they
have or have had a domestic relationship as well as to all other
persons whose personal safety is threatened, including women not
involved in domestic relationships. If officials have notice of the
possibility of attacks on women in domestic relationships or other
persons, they are under an affirmative duty to take reasonable
measures to protect the personal safety of such persons in the
community.
[A] police officer may not knowingly refrain from interference in

such violence, and may not automatically decline to make an arrest
simply because the assailant and his victim are married to each
other. Such inaction on the part of the officer is a denial of the
equal protection of the laws."
While this is only legal precedent in Connecticut, this was the

foundation case for current domestic violence laws (at least in
Missouri, if not the entire country).
So, yes we do have a legal duty to respond, and a legal duty to act
in a reasonable manor to protect the safety of citizens.
Also going back to your definition of anarchy: It sounds like a very

utopian place, unfortunately there are people out there who do hurt
and steal from other people. Modern societies have chosen to form
police departments and legal systems to deal with these people who
don't want to follow the rules of society.
12-15-2008 02:11 AM


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quote:
Anyways, moving on to liberranter's post. The

three articles you posted are bad links.
They function perfectly for someone who knows how to navigate

Registered: Jun 2005 weblinks with a computer, but I guess I forgot that I'm dealing
Location: Tucson, AZ with a cop here.
Posts: 5865
quote:
But I decided to take a look at court cases and

here's the deal...
It's obvious that you didn't read any of the case files I cited
(that, or you thought that I didn't read them before linking to
them), or you wouldn't have wasted time or server space typing
the BS you did, which in no way changes the underlying
statement that I made. Your rationalizations are trivial
technicalities, nothing but legal hairsplitting; the cases
themselves very clearly state that, bottom line, THE POLICE
HAVE NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to come to the aid of
individual citizens requesting their help, no matter how justified.
In fact, many of these precedents do much more hideous
damage and ACTUALLY PREVENT CITIZENS FROM DEFENDING
THEIR OWN LIVES AND PROPERTY when negligent cops refuse
to come to their aid!
Nice try, but go blow smoke up someone else's ass, preferably

someone who can't read above a third-grade level (officer.com
is a good place to start).
quote:
Also going back to your definition of anarchy:

It sounds like a very utopian place,
It only sounds "utopian" to people who cannot conceive of living

in peace with their fellow human beings. In other words, the
average cop.

quote:
{U}nfortunately there are people out there

who do hurt and steal from other people.
Yes, and society is full of individuals and groups of free

association that are more than capable of dealing with such
people without the intervention of the omnipotent state. As a
matter of fact, it is very often agents of the State who "hurt
and steal from other people."
quote:
Modern societies have chosen to form police

departments and legal systems to deal with
these people who don't want to follow the
rules of society.
"Modern societies" do not chose anything; INDIVIDUALS make

choices. "Society" is an abstraction, a random, accidental
grouping of individuals who happen to find themselves, by
accident of birth or relocation, but almost always involuntarily,
thrust into an arbitrary grouping with other individuals, many or
most of whom have NOTHING in common with one another.
Neither you nor any other individual can "choose" associations
for me, nor I for you.
In the case of police departments, certain individuals (or, more

accurately, organizations) have accrued to themselves power,
largely through the apathy or ignorance of others who make up
this amorphous thing called "society", that they use to force
such things as "police departments" upon other often unwilling
individuals. These powerful organizations, commonly called
"governments" or "the State", brook no serious dissent, nor do
they respect the right of free association. When a "State"
chooses to exert itself over a geographical area or group of
individuals, those individuals within those environments who DO
NOT wish to participate are FORCED to do so, or are confronted
with threat of force. If I choose not to have money confiscated
from my person to pay for "services" that I do not choose to
use (i.e., "police protection", public schools, military forces,
etc.), I am forced to do so anyway, thereby violating not only
my right to free association (which includes the right NOT to
associate), but my right to private property as well.
As for "rules of society", I assume by "rules" that you mean

"laws." If so, then your argument holds even less weight, since

most "laws" are positive in nature. That is to say, these laws

criminalize certain actions not because such actions violate the
life, rights, or property of another human being, but merely
because the State says that they're criminal. "Drug laws" are a
perfect example of this. No individual harms another person's
life or property be ingesting substances into his or her own
body; therefore, there is no valid reason for this act to be
against the law. The fact that this "rule" exists is solely because
someone exercising power over other individuals through threat
of coercive violence has by fiat declared the act to be illegal,
nothing more.
So, forget about "society" "choosing" a police force, because

"society" has chosen nothing. The State, a group of self-
empowered, self-centered plutocrats representing only
themselves and a handful of select special interests, has forced
"police departments" upon individuals, paying for said "police
departments" with money stolen at threat of gun point from
said individuals, ostensibly for said "police departments" to
"protect and serve" said individuals, but really to keep said
individuals in line with the State's self-serving diktats. If
individuals needed "protection and service" in the form of
protection from armed violence (although truly free individuals
would be armed to deal with this on their own) or dispute
mediation, the free market could and would gladly provide this
through voluntary contract. However, the State, interested only
in its own aggrandizement at all costs, is not about to permit
such competing services (which would invariably do a better job
of actually Serving and Protecting than the corrupt, lethal farce
we're now saddled with, and which you and your blue-clad
buddies represent).
So, all of that said, be honest and admit that you're a tool of
the State, serving the State's agenda. "Society" has nothing to
do with it whatsoever. Many have come before you claiming to
"protect and serve" because "society" "wants" them to. Their
intellectual carcasses litter the threads of this forum. I see you
faring no better.
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Grigg


12-15-2008 03:19 AM
Darryl I do not see how cops steal what they keep system, helps people of
Senior Member society
I do not see how cops at a higher level protecting drug dealers help
Registered: Jul 2003 the people.
Location: The system is corrupt, law enforcement is nothing more than a
Posts: 755
piece of that system.
Not all cops are dishonest, but the one that are honest and speak
out get their butts whipped.
You are either a rookie or a naive little boy or maybe you are a
troll. They are all over the internet.
I have been at it for a fair amount of time and have talked to
numerous ex-cops or disgrunted cops, the response is always the
same (if they are good) it is sickening to them, like any other
human being that is a decent person.
How about you, Do you have the no arrest list.
12-15-2008 03:44 AM
crxguy No, I didn't do any legal hairsplitting. You act as if I were a

Member Supreme Court Justice. If the Supreme Court ruled in a different
way on the District of Columbia case, police departments could be
Registered: Dec 2008 sued for not stopping a criminal for breaking into your car because
Location: the police weren't patrolling on your street at the exact same
Posts: 72
moment as the crook was breaking the law. In the interest of
steering this topic back on track, lets talk about police response. If
all officers in a certain jurisdiction were tied up on a multiple
shooting, and another person had a real emergency, they could sue
the police department for not being able to respond.
And I find it curious that you didn't respond to the meat of my last
post about the court case from Connecticut. Maybe you were too
busy trying to convince me that police departments don't need to
exist. I don't know. There was a whole lot of statements in that part
of your post I could argue with, but for the sake of keeping things
on topic, I'll stop here.
Oh, and Darryl? What's a no arrest list?

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CC Rider crxguy wrote:

GOT FREE SPEECH?
quote:
Registered: Mar 2007 [A] police officer may not knowingly refrain from
Location: Behind You interference in such violence, and may not
Posts: 1060 automatically decline to make an arrest simply because
the assailant and his victim are married to each other.
Such inaction on the part of the officer is a denial of the
equal protection of the laws."
ROFLMAO
You are aware that cops are involved in DV situations two to four
times more than your average member of the public? - That's just

what's reported and not pushed under the rug!

The quote above is asinine - cops are far more likely to commit a
battery on a spouse and get away with it.
Check out this thread for more reading material to educate yourself
on the real world!
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...&threadid=30421
quote:
Domestic Violence in Police Families
Officer Curt Lubiszewski is not an anomaly. Hundreds of

women, partners of police officers, are beaten every
year. Just this April, Crystal Brame was killed by her
estranged husband, the police chief of Tacoma,
Washington. Here are some facts on cops as batterers.
* Domestic violence is 2 to 4 times more common

in police families than in the general population.
In two separate studies, 40% of police officers
self-report that they have used violence against
their domestic partners within the last year. In
the general population, it's estimated that
domestic violence occurs in about 10% of families.
* In a nationwide survey of 123 police departments,
45% had no specific policy for dealing with officer-
involved domestic violence.
* In that same survey, the most common discipline
imposed for a sustained allegation of domestic violence
was counseling. Only 19% of departments indicated
that officers would be terminated after a second
sustained allegation of domestic violence.
* In San Diego, a national model in domestic violence
prosecution, the City Attorney typically prosecutes 92%
of referred domestic violence cases, but only 42% of
cases where the batterer is a cop.
Special Problems for Victims
* Her batterer always has a gun (often many guns and

other weapons) and is trained to use it.
* He knows how to inflict pain and leave no marks or
bruises.
* He's trained to intimidate by his presence alone, and
to use his body as a weapon.
* He lets her know he has the power to harm or kill her
and get away with it, or have others do it for him.
* How can she call the police? He is the police!
* He tells her that if she does call police, the officers
(his colleagues and friends) will believe him and not
her ... and he's right.

* He often threatens that if she reports to police he'll

lose his job, and if that happens, she's dead.
* He has access to surveillance tools like phone taps,
police scanners, vehicle tracking devices, and audio and
video recording equipment to stalk or monitor the
victim's activities.
* The batterer or his fellow officers will often "patrol"
the victim's house, work place, children's school or
daycare center.
* Friends, family and service providers are afraid of the
batterer and thus afraid to get involved.
* Domestic violence advocates may share her
information with the police. (Other than Purple Berets
and Women's Justice Center, all domestic violence
advocates in Sonoma County work for either the police
or district attorney's office.)
* He knows the location of battered women's shelters.
* He knows the court system, often testifies in court,
and knows district attorneys, judges and bailiffs
personally.
* Jurors assume police officers would not lie in court.
If Your Batterer is a Cop
Even more than other battered women, when you

decide to leave or prosecute you need to move
strategically and get good advice from the outset.
* Find an advocate who is independent from police

agencies and experienced in working with police officer
violence.
* Make a comprehensive safety plan: put money aside
he doesn't know about, identify where you can flee with
your children, etc. Domestic violence shelters can help
you with this anonymously.
* While the tendency is to take "baby steps" so as not
to enrage him, once you make your move, the more
power you can muster, the more likely you can stand
up to the power you'll be up against. Report to police or
district attorney, get a restraining order and report to
his police agency all at once.
* If police and DAs are unresponsive, go to the press.
* Contact Purple Berets for "Police Domestic Violence:
A Handbook for Victims."
(This information was gathered from the National

Center for Women and Policing, Life Span, and Abuse of
Power)
http://www.abuseofpower.info/index.htm

Any Questions crxguy?

Maybe your statement holds up for the Genral Public but we
see when LEO's are involved the rules change immediatly!
Professional Courtesy? Hell yeah - let one of your brothers in
Blue beat the sh!t out of his wife or kids and then spew the
crap your slinging, instead of covering for him I have a novel
idea - Arrest the SOB & take his ability to work in LE ever
again. If he will treat a woman he has professed to love in
that manner what does that tell you about how he will treat
someone he doesn't know?
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tragedy.”
12-15-2008 12:46 PM
MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
So, yes we do have a legal duty to respond, and a legal

duty to act in a reasonable manor to protect the safety
of citizens.
Hmmm Coptroll the SCOTUS said in Warren v. District of Columbia

Registered: Jan 2008 that cops are NOT legally required to protect the public.
Georgia http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/FEDERA...ns/02-7120a.pdf
Posts: 1129
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/k...protection.html

I have done told you 1 time already to stop bringing your officer.
com trolling in here, how about just going back to officer.com
where all the other copswine hang out.
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Militamus sub spe.
12-15-2008 07:45 PM
MGMAN "So, yes we do have a legal duty to respond, and a legal duty to act
Senior Member in a reasonable manor to protect the safety of citizens."
I wonder what happened to this "duty" in relationship to this lady?
Oh by the way, She was beat up by a cop!

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12-15-2008 08:43 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Hmmm Coptroll the SCOTUS said in Warren v. District
Registered: Dec 2008 of Columbia that cops are NOT legally required to
Location: protect the public.
Posts: 72
Yes, that is true. And if you read my above stated response to the
court case, you'd see why they ruled that way, in THAT particular
case. But since I have a different viewpoint then the great majority
of the people on this forum, I guess you glanced over it and wanted
to post something that proves my point. I read the article you
posted about the woman. She was paid $400,000 in a settlement
correct? If there wasn't a legal duty to protect citizens from harm
while they are in police custody, why would the police department
pay out? Well it might be because police have a legal duty to
protect citizens in certain situations. And while we're on the topic of
that one, I think the Chief of Police in Shreveport did a great job.
Even though he didn't receive a complaint on the officer from the
woman, he fired the officer responsible. I agree that people like
that should not be employed by police departments. The great
great majority of officers out there (at least for my department) are
not like that.
Also, CC Rider, I am aware that police officers have a greater

chance of being involved in domestic violence relationships than the
average population. They also have a greater risk of suicide too.
What is your point? It is a correlational relationship. I never claimed
that cops never abuse their wives or break the law in any of my
posts.
12-16-2008 05:45 AM

MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
Yes, that is true. And if you read my above stated
response to the court case, you'd see why they
ruled that way, in THAT particular case. But since
I have a different viewpoint then the great
majority of the people on this forum, I guess you
glanced over it and wanted to post something
that proves my point. I read the article you
posted about the woman. She was paid $400,000
in a settlement correct? If there wasn't a legal
duty to protect citizens from harm while they are
Registered: Jan 2008 in police custody, why would the police
Georgia
department pay out? Well it might be because
Posts: 1129 police have a legal duty to protect citizens in
certain situations. And while we're on the topic of
that one, I think the Chief of Police in Shreveport
did a great job. Even though he didn't receive a
complaint on the officer from the woman, he fired
the officer responsible. I agree that people like
that should not be employed by police
departments. The great great majority of officers
out there (at least for my department) are not
like that.
Also, CC Rider, I am aware that police officers

have a greater chance of being involved in
domestic violence relationships than the average
population. They also have a greater risk of
suicide too. What is your point? It is a
correlational relationship. I never claimed that
cops never abuse their wives or break the law in
any of my posts.
As a policy I don't feed trolls, so after this reply I will NO LONGER

reply to any more of your pro-cop garbage.
If I went into officer.com and spouted the reciprocal of your pro-cop

garbage there, I would NEVER have got 10 posts. That you have
got 10 posts in copwatch is a testament to the patience of the
admins here. I am not a cop and I am also not an educated man,
but I know bull**** when I see it. You spout off and try to make
points, but you fail to understand the small nuances of what you
are talking about. Like my example. I know that cop no longer
works for the SPD, but that was NEVER my point! That you missed
my point is another matter. I know cops! I have said in many of my
posts the comments made by them. I know how they think, and
how they feel about different topics. I also know that several of

them are officer.com members. Sometime all someone has to do is

forget a comma, or leave out a very subtle bit of information when
they try to make a point. This is what you do when you post here, I
resent it, and know for a damn fact that lady in my example would
too. So as I said go back to officer.com and kiss ass there. While I
can't speak for the members here, I have a feeling nobody here
cares about your pro-cop garbage.
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12-16-2008 09:55 AM
CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
Also, CC Rider, I am aware that police officers
have a greater chance of being involved in
Registered: Mar 2007 domestic violence relationships than the average
Location: Behind You population. They also have a greater risk of
Posts: 1060 suicide too. What is your point? It is a
correlational relationship. I never claimed that
cops never abuse their wives or break the law in
any of my posts.
MY POINT? DUH!
Okay you have a group of people - we will call them WIDGET's.
They have a propensity for violence against the ones they claim to
love - they also are given (by the people) a duty to maintain order.
With that duty they are also given a certain amount of power. With
that power they abuse not only loved ones but the general public as

well and have a built in safety net to keep them from being charged
as the criminal they are!
Yes Cops are far more likely to kill their self than to ever be killed
by a suspect - just as they are far more likely to commit a battery
against a family member than your average member of the public.
With those two realities you have no way to refute it paints a

picture of an unstable person. The last person on earth I want to
have the authority given to a LEO is an unstable person
The Old One Bad Apple BS don't work any longer - the MSM is on
the way out the door and the internet is the new news source for
most intelligent people these days. There are approximately
800,000 members of LE nationwide. I can show facts, not
propaganda, where on an average there are 20 cops arrested a day
(that equates to 7,300 a year) - every day across the nation for
crimes ranging from drug distribution (So much for the War on
Drugs) to DV including murder.
Once they become ex cops you guys think that ends it? Why don't
you guys keep records and databases on those numbers? You have
databases for everything from Sex Offenders to Meth Users, if you
were really repulsed by a brother in blue breaking the law your
agencies would be proactive in identifying the problems and start
working to solve them. Does your department have a mental health
professional on staff for the LEO's to talk with concerning DV issues
at this time? I am talking a formal policy, part of your SOP?
If you think the Police are the only ones trained or smart enough to
do a competent investigation on a member of LE you are sadly
mistaken. Like it or not the public has in the past few years began
to fight back with video evidence that has brought the problem out
into the light which LE has hid in the shadows for many years.
There will be reform in the LE community or they can get ready to

face some of the grimmest times they ever imagined (a big portion
of the public has lost all respect now or sites like this one would not
exist) - video technology has progressed to the point the average
member of the public can afford better equipment than you boys
can buy with your limited budgets - and you never know if your
going to be on You Tube the next morning if you screw up!
Robinson V Fetterman establishes that anyone anytime for any

reason can video tape cops - as a matter of fact they do not even
have to have a reason according to the Judges statement in that
case.
You can bet if I am pulled over driving - I will have the entire
incident on video in much better quality that even your dash cam (if
yours is turned on or is not lost - BTW mine never is misplaced). If
I am in the public I always have a personal DVR on my body also -
one click and your on candid camera.
I hear you snickering under your breath now thinking you could
destroy the evidence, think again this is the digital age! I will not go

into details but don't depend on erasing a memory card or tape,

Bluetooth and WiFi are very common in most locations these days
and recovery software is cheap and easy to use!
Since your profession couldn't and wouldn't approach your

shortcomings seriously & professionally. You Have What You Have
Now! Eyes are everywhere and it's no longer just my word against
your word in a courtroom! Que that tape your Honor!
__________________

tragedy.”
12-16-2008 11:24 AM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 As a policy I don't feed trolls, so after this reply I
Location: will NO LONGER reply to any more of your pro-cop
Posts: 72 garbage.
If I went into officer.com and spouted the

reciprocal of your pro-cop garbage there, I would
NEVER have got 10 posts. That you have got 10
posts in copwatch is a testament to the patience
of the admins here. I am not a cop and I am also
not an educated man, but I know bull**** when I
see it. You spout off and try to make points, but
you fail to understand the small nuances of what
you are talking about. Like my example. I know
that cop no longer works for the SPD, but that
was NEVER my point! That you missed my point is
another matter. I know cops! I have said in many
of my posts the comments made by them. I know
how they think, and how they feel about different

topics. I also know that several of them are

officer.com members. Sometime all someone has
to do is forget a comma, or leave out a very
subtle bit of information when they try to make a
point. This is what you do when you post here, I
resent it, and know for a damn fact that lady in
my example would too. So as I said go back to
officer.com and kiss ass there. While I can't speak
for the members here, I have a feeling nobody
here cares about your pro-cop garbage.
Why does everyone who responds to my posts think that I am a

member of the officer.com forums? Do they give out usernames
when you graduate from the academy? Because if they do, I didn't
get mine. If the admins want to ban me, then they can ban me. I
won't be too broken up about it. I like to think of myself as a
reasonable person. Am I pro-cop? Absolutely. Am I pro-cop to the
extent that I think cops can do no wrong? Absolutely not. I've never
tried to hide my opinions or lie in any way, shape, or form in any of
my "10 posts."
CC Rider - your post is hilarious.
1. Police departments are not responsible for sex offender registries

and keeping tabs on meth houses etc. That would be the State
Legislative branch.
2. Why would we want to keep tabs on former police officers that

break the law and get fired? If they've been charged with a crime
they are just like any other normal citizen charged with a crime.
That history goes with them and stays with them. Why do you think
people on this website can dig up so much dirt on police officers
and former police officers?
3. Just because you read a statistic that says 40% of police officers
abuse their loved ones, doesn't mean it's true. That statistic is so
bloated to suit your agenda it's ridiculous. Did you know that 70%
of statistics are made up on the spot?
4. I know how you are about statistics, so here's a statistic you

should look up. How many more officers have been exonerated
from citizen complaints about officers behavior, versus the number
of complaints sustained due to a dash camera?
12-16-2008 12:35 PM

CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
I know how you are about statistics, so here's a
statistic you should look up. How many more
Registered: Mar 2007 officers have been exonerated from citizen
Location: Behind You complaints about officers behavior, versus the
Posts: 1060 number of complaints sustained due to a dash
camera?
No I don't know and neither do you because you got it mental giant
- YOU DON'T KEEP THOSE TYPE RECORDS DO YOU?
If you do then maybe you can offer an explanation of why that is
recorded and the other side of the coin is just that - the other side
of the coin!
The made up statistics - would that include those made up by

members of LE to over inflate or under inflate stats to meet their
agenda? 70%? One size fits all?
Try again - you have no argument! If your profession were serious

they would have a database of ex-offender cops if for no other
reason than to cull them out of that barrel of bad apples that keep
spoiling it for the rest of you! It is just a few Bad Apples correct?
No explanation for bad cop in Jurisdiction X getting fired for
misconduct and going to work for Jurisdiction Y before the ink is dry
on his separation papers?
Come on - if your a representative of LE lets see which side of the

fence your riding crxguy - so far your way behind in explanations.
Let's hear them since your the voice of LE!
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12-16-2008 01:51 PM
crxguy If you are talking about a database of officer complaints, each

Member department (the ones that are good departments anyway) keeps
track of those (laugh) statistics for each officer. It goes in his/her
Registered: Dec 2008 employment file. So if they do get fired, or quit, it's just like any
Location: other job where if you try and get a new one, the new boss talks to
Posts: 72
the old boss about job performance. These employment records
sound a bit like a database of allegations of officer misconduct. I'm
still trying to grasp this concept that you are proposing. Are you
suggesting that police officers who are fired for simple misconduct
(not criminal misconduct) would have to register like a sex offender
where confidential employment records would be open to the public?
Please, use very specific terms and lay out your plan for sweeping
policy change to save us from all these dastardly police officers.
12-16-2008 06:37 PM
CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
If you are talking about a database of officer
complaints, each department (the ones that are
Registered: Mar 2007 good departments anyway) keeps track of those
Location: Behind You (laugh) statistics for each officer. It goes in his/
Posts: 1060 her employment file. So if they do get fired, or
quit, it's just like any other job where if you try
and get a new one, the new boss talks to the old
boss about job performance. These employment
records sound a bit like a database of allegations
of officer misconduct. I'm still trying to grasp this
concept that you are proposing. Are you
suggesting that police officers who are fired for
simple misconduct (not criminal misconduct)
would have to register like a sex offender where
confidential employment records would be open
to the public?
Please, use very specific terms and lay out your

plan for sweeping policy change to save us from
all these dastardly police officers.
But wait you have never answered my questions troll - when you do
you will receive answers, You put your pants on just like I do - one

leg at a time so come on for the sake of debate - answer and don't
attempt to divert attention!
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12-16-2008 06:45 PM
crxguy Which of the five questions in your post would you like answered?
Member The only one I didn't touch on was your flame about how police
departments deliberately change numbers to suit their needs.
Location: So the answer to question number one would be - No, police
Posts: 72 departments don't keep those statistics. They do keep numbers on
officer complaints from civilians, though (see previous post). These
include dispositions from sustained, exonerated, not sustained, and
unfounded. Meaning they do keep tabs on false reports from the
public about officer's actions. If you need links, try google searching
Police Citizen Complaints. There should be a few PDF files. One
from the Minneapolis CIVILIAN review board where not one
complaint was sustained for the entire Minneapolis Police
Department for a whole year. Or, try the Seattle Police
Departments Internal Affairs PDF that shows up. That one has a lot
of good information about civilian complaints (the majority of which
revolve around officers being rude).
Answer to question number two - as far as I know, police don't

keep stats on how many complaints are sustained or unfounded
based on dash cams, so that question is a moot point.
Answer to question three - what about statistics being inflated/

deflated by police departments? Are you saying it's OK for you to do
it, but not a police department? I don't work for a type of analysis
unit so I can't say for sure whether my department inflates or
deflates numbers. I can say, that unlike bordering jurisdictions, my

department tends not to sh*t can calls to keep crime stats low.
Answer to question four - Yes, it is just a few bad apples.
Answer to question five - Some departments have lower hiring

standards than others. Do you think it's a big conspiracy or
something that these officers get hired on? Like the Chiefs of Police
get together on the weekends and say, "Guys, Officer Soandso
really screwed up the other day. I can't keep him on my
department for media relations reasons, so one of you guys is going
to have to take him." If that's really what you think happens you
need to educate yourself.
12-16-2008 09:38 PM
CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
Which of the five questions in your post would
you like answered? The only one I didn't touch on
Registered: Mar 2007 was your flame about how police departments
Location: Behind You deliberately change numbers to suit their needs.
Posts: 1060
As a matter of fact you posted that 70% of all statistics were made
up on the spot... That works both ways one size fits all correct?
Police Officers and departments are not immune to the 70% if
that's truly what you believe, or is there some mental malfunction
that prevents you from believing your own words? How will you
ever convince someone else of your non point if you don't believe it
yourself?
quote:
One from the Minneapolis CIVILIAN review board

where not one complaint was sustained for the
entire Minneapolis Police Department for a whole
year. Or, try the Seattle Police Departments
Internal Affairs PDF that shows up. That one has
a lot of good information about civilian
complaints (the majority of which revolve around
officers being rude).
ROFLMAO - CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD MY ASS. When a Chief has

the power to override their recommendation or findings it's not a

CIVILIAN REVIEW. I see you have not grasp reading

comprehension, read the fine print and try again!
quote:
Answer to question three - what about statistics

being inflated/deflated by police departments?
Are you saying it's OK for you to do it, but not a
police department? I don't work for a type of
analysis unit so I can't say for sure whether my
department inflates or deflates numbers. I can
say, that unlike bordering jurisdictions, my
department tends not to sh*t can calls to keep
crime stats low.
You don't know if your department does or not? WTF. Just the fact
that you would even make this statement gives the appearance that
you don't really trust the department you work for - if you don't
trust them to tell the truth I damn sure don't! You make arrest on
appearances all the time correct? It appears there is a drug deal
going down, whether you find any dope or not, it just didn't look
right did it?
I'm saying it's not okay for anyone to do it but you proved another
valid point with this reply - it is and always will be the us against
them attitude!
quote:
Answer to question four - Yes, it is just a few bad

apples.
Total BS - when you have an entire metro drug unit (think Atlanta)
become executioners to keep their quota's up on an illegal search
warrant - then four police cheifs in my area have either been
arrested or convicted of criminal activities or both in about 2 weeks.
Yes just a few Bad Apples - I'm convinced / NOT!
quote:
Answer to question five - Some departments have

lower hiring standards than others. Do you think
it's a big conspiracy or something that these
officers get hired on? Like the Chiefs of Police get
together on the weekends and say, "Guys, Officer
Soandso really screwed up the other day. I can't
keep him on my department for media relations

reasons, so one of you guys is going to have to

take him." If that's really what you think happens
you need to educate yourself.
You know you have missed the point again - it does not matter how
it happens - it needs to end. These are the same cops that screw up
again down the road and get charged many times with violent
crimes that you say are the few Bad Apples. If your
"profession" (cough, cough) were interested in weeding out the Bad
Apples they could do it. Now other people are starting to take that
task on and you boys in blue just can't stand it can you? LOL
Nice Try But No Cigar!
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12-18-2008 02:27 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Originally posted by CC Rider
Registered: Dec 2008 As a matter of fact you posted that 70% of all
Location: statistics were made up on the spot... That works
Posts: 72 both ways one size fits all correct? Police Officers
and departments are not immune to the 70% if
that's truly what you believe, or is there some
mental malfunction that prevents you from
believing your own words? How will you ever
convince someone else of your non point if you
don't believe it yourself?

ROFLMAO - CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD MY ASS.

When a Chief has the power to override their
recommendation or findings it's not a CIVILIAN
REVIEW. I see you have not grasp reading
comprehension, read the fine print and try again!
You don't know if your department does or not?

WTF. Just the fact that you would even make this
statement gives the appearance that you don't
really trust the department you work for - if you
don't trust them to tell the truth I damn sure
don't! You make arrest on appearances all the
time correct? It appears there is a drug deal
going down, whether you find any dope or not, it
just didn't look right did it?
I'm saying it's not okay for anyone to do it but

you proved another valid point with this reply - it
is and always will be the us against them attitude!
Total BS - when you have an entire metro drug

unit (think Atlanta) become executioners to keep
their quota's up on an illegal search warrant -
then four police cheifs in my area have either
been arrested or convicted of criminal activities
or both in about 2 weeks. Yes just a few Bad
Apples - I'm convinced / NOT!
You know you have missed the point again - it

does not matter how it happens - it needs to end.
These are the same cops that screw up again
down the road and get charged many times with
violent crimes that you say are the few Bad
Apples. If your "profession" (cough, cough) were
interested in weeding out the Bad Apples they
could do it. Now other people are starting to take
that task on and you boys in blue just can't stand
it can you? LOL
Nice Try But No Cigar!
The whole 70% of statistics are made up on the spot line was
supposed to be a joke. I know it's hard to convey sarcasm, but it's
also hard to beleive you haven't heard that one before.

The civilian review board decisions can't be overruled by the chief.

The chief decides on disciplinary actions (according to the PDF file).
And I quote "The chief of police is responsible for all disciplinary
decisions related to Civilian Police Review Authority complaints."
I don't know what else I can say to convince you. Maybe the few
bad apples live in your area. I for one, can say that zero police
chiefs in my area have been arrested for criminal activity ever since
I can remember.
Maybe you should lobby for higher salaries for police officers. Then
the pool for qualified applicants will increase, and police
departments who are struggling to keep enough officers on the
streets won't be forced to hire unqualified candidates.
And you still haven't laid out your plan for this whole database idea.
12-18-2008 04:45 PM
CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
And you still haven't laid out your plan for this
whole database idea.
Posts: 1060
It would not interest you because it doesn't involve the raise you
mentioned!
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12-18-2008 05:35 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 It would not interest you because it doesn't
Location: involve the raise you mentioned!
Posts: 72
Or you don't know what you're talking about. I think thats the more
logical explanation.
12-19-2008 02:46 AM
CC Rider quote:
GOT FREE SPEECH?
Or you don't know what you're talking about. I
think thats the more logical explanation.
Posts: 1060
It's been proven you don't know what your talking about but just
for sh!ts and grins:
#1 - all cops have a personal DVR running 100% of their on duty

time. A third party (totally independent) will be the only one with
access to the footage. If your DVR is not working neither do you! If
safety is the concern then you boys in blue should welcome this!
#2 - quit the qasi AI investigations and let the public who pays your
salary make the call. No Chief intervention. The public is good
enough to judge a person facing criminal charges in a court but just
don't understand LE work right? What a COP OUT!
#3 - If an "officer" is fired for mis-conduct he is placed in a data

base to prevent just moving to a new jurisdiction. The public has
already lost trust in LE - you don't feel it necessary to clean up the
ranks of these rogues?
There are three changes that would start a road to repairing all the
damage those BAD APPLES have caused!
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12-19-2008 10:19 AM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Also, next time, don't use an emergency 911 line to
check on the status of a warrant. It is for emergency
use only.
Location: Washington
Posts: 112
Okay wait a minute!
you mean to tell me that when my home had been burglarized and
my car vandalized and I had made a report that the following day
when I saw the little bastard that had done this and I called the cop
who left his card and HE TOLD ME TO CALL 911 that he was wrong?
Or are you going to say that reporting this would be considered an
emergency even though no person or property was in "imminent
danger"
If that's your answer then how about when after I waited for 6
weeks to get some results (or at least a f*cking return phone call
regarding my stolen wedding ring I had received from my now dead
husband) I decided that if I wanted any of my precious
irreplaceable items returned to me I would have to find them
myself, so upon finding my belongings at the pawn shop less than a
mile from my home and calling the same cop I was again told to
call 911?
WTF... when are your kind going to actually follow the rules and
regulations of your gang?
I don't expect any of you to follow the actual law since it's already
been proven on many many many ( a million more many's)
occasions that you all suffer from mental and emotional disease
that prevents you from doing anything that is in the best interest of
anyone other than your self and the like.

Sick sick Sick sick!

The only solace I find in this sick situation with you people is that
more and more citizens seem to be waking up and it is YOUR type
that is causing this realization, so in a way keep up the good work.
Eventually you will all be where you belong...
12-22-2008 06:59 AM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Answer to question five - Some departments have
lower hiring standards than others. Do you think it's a
big conspiracy or something that these officers get
Registered: Dec 2008 hired on? Like the Chiefs of Police get together on the
Location: Washington weekends and say, "Guys, Officer Soandso really
Posts: 112 screwed up the other day. I can't keep him on my
department for media relations reasons, so one of you
guys is going to have to take him." If that's really what
you think happens you need to educate yourself.
Alright as*hole!
I do know that the Sheriff and police cheif do in fact get together
and decide on whether or not they can get away with hiring a
homocidal as*hole in their department/county.
I personaly have been privy to this information and I have educated

myself to the common practices of YOUR corrupt government.
As far as the whole 'bad apple' quote; I am so f*cking tired of

hearing that excuse, it's as old and as tired as the dog ate my
homework.
If I hire an employee and that employee goes into or onto a clients
property and then steals something or causes any other damage to
persons or property who's fault is that?
MINE! I take total and complete responsibility for what happens and
who I send out to jobs, it is MY responsibility and my DESIRE to
ensure the safety and satisfaction of those I serve.
I would also waste no time in firing an employee or reporting a co-
worker if they were anything but ethical in their duties; therfore
weeding out 'bad apples' so my conscience is clear and my business
has a favorable reputation, because that's what is important to
moral and ethical citizens.
You know what that says about you and your superiors?
That the standards set in the police departments are lower than the
standards of a bar manager/ party planner.
It screams that a single mother with very little resources places

higher standards on her self and her employee's ( who by the way
have nothing more than a High School education and a mixologist
and food handlers permit, I think some might even have gotten a
traffic ticket or two! oh my gosh!) than those who are licensed to
carry and use deadly weapons and who are also responsible for
lives.
You really are a pathetic bunch of excuse making, blame placing,
irresponsible, ignorant, arrogant, folks who are willing to lie and
hide to save your own as*es.
Can you give one example of an instance when you were witness to
or knew of one your co-workers doing something that was
unethical?
And if you can then can you HONESTLY say that you did not
downplay it or look the other way so as to make YOUR life easier?
If you choose to answer these questions then be aware you will be

asked to prove what you say by others here but I will not.
I only ask that you keep in mind that a loley bar manager and a
bunch of bartenders and caterers' hold themselves and one another
to a higher professional and personal standard than you and yours
the next time you KNOW of a 'bad apple'.
Another bit of truth for you to chew on; if you have a case of fruit
and one goes bad, unless you immediatley pluck the diseased
'apple' from the bunch it WILL SPREAD to the rest of the fruit.
12-22-2008 07:39 AM
loudnclear crxguy is an unducated moron

Senior Member
http://www.copwatch.org/sheehanacosta.html
David Acosta, currently employed as a deputy by the King County

Registered: Dec 2008 Sheriff's Department, was determined to have committed an
Location: Washington unjustified shooting in the service of his previous employer, the
Posts: 112
North Las Vegas Police Department. The victim of that shooting is
on the verge of obtaining a $500,000.00 settlement from the city of
North Las Vegas.
http://www.aele.org/revocation-slu.html
quote:
If you are talking about a database of officer

complaints, each department (the ones that are good
departments anyway) keeps track of those (laugh)
statistics for each officer. It goes in his/her
employment file. So if they do get fired, or quit, it's just

like any other job where if you try and get a new one,
the new boss talks to the old boss about job
performance. These employment records sound a bit
like a database of allegations of officer misconduct. I'm
still trying to grasp this concept that you are proposing.
Are you suggesting that police officers who are fired for
simple misconduct (not criminal misconduct) would
have to register like a sex offender where confidential
employment records would be open to the public?
Traditional remedies for police misconduct fail to address the

problem caused by the practice of leaving the decision to hire and
fire officers up to local sheriffs and chiefs. This often leads to
situations where unfit officers are able to continue to work for a
department that is unable or unwilling to terminate them. Even
when they are terminated, these officers often go to work for other
departments within the state. Although virtually every other
profession is regulated by a state board with the power to remove
or suspend [*546] the licenses or certificates of unfit members of
the profession (e.g., attorneys, physicians, teachers), there has
been a longstanding tradition of local control of police without state
involvement.
A few examples from reported federal cases illustrate the problem

of terminated officers continuing to work within the criminal justice
system. Donald White was a police officer in the Village of Darien,
Wisconsin. n24 He was terminated for several instances of offering
to drop or void traffic citations against male drivers in exchange for
sexual favors. n25 He later applied for and obtained a position with
a department in the nearby town of Bloomfield, Wisconsin where he
committed two similar acts. n26 Bloomfield officials were unaware
of White’s prior misconduct because Darien officials concealed
White’s personnel file from Bloomfield officials as well as from the
state agency investigating White. n27 Two of White’s victims while
he was employed at Darien were awarded $785,000 by a federal
court jury because the police chief knew or should have known of
similar prior conduct but failed properly to supervise or investigate
White. n28 Similarly, Elijah Wright, an officer employed by the
Helena, Arkansas Police Department, offered to fix traffic tickets for
three women in exchange for sex. n29 After resigning, he applied to
work as a deputy with the Pulaski County, Arkansas Sheriff’s
Department. During the background check conducted by Pulaski
County, three officers sent letters of recommendation from Helena,
and no mention was made of the traffic-fixing incident. Wright was
hired by Pulaski County, and he subsequently forced women
detainees to undress and engage in various sex acts in his presence
while he was on duty. n30

12-22-2008 08:07 AM
crxguy quote:
Member
Originally posted by loudnclear
Registered: Dec 2008 Okay wait a minute!
Location:
Posts: 72 you mean to tell me that when my home had been
burglarized and my car vandalized and I had
made a report that the following day when I saw
the little bastard that had done this and I called
the cop who left his card and HE TOLD ME TO
CALL 911 that he was wrong?
Different situation. If you see a criminal that you think is

responsible for a felony act, then sure. Call 911.
quote:
Or are you going to say that reporting this would

be considered an emergency even though no
person or property was in "imminent danger"
Again. That is a totally different situation from the original poster.
quote:
If that's your answer then how about when after

I waited for 6 weeks to get some results (or at
least a f*cking return phone call regarding my
stolen wedding ring I had received from my now
dead husband) I decided that if I wanted any of
my precious irreplaceable items returned to me I
would have to find them myself, so upon finding
my belongings at the pawn shop less than a mile
from my home and calling the same cop I was
again told to call 911?
It sounds like you are just using this point to complain about a bad

experience you had with a police officer. A police officer who was
probably so bogged down with criminal cases that he either lost the
message to call you back, or didn't have the time to call you back
quote:
WTF... when are your kind going to actually follow

the rules and regulations of your gang?
I don't expect any of you to follow the actual law
since it's already been proven on many many
many ( a million more many's)
occasions that you all suffer from mental and
emotional disease that prevents you from doing
anything that is in the best interest of anyone
other than your self and the like.
Again. And people call me the troll? I have never defended the
actions of bad cops. But I will still defend myself and other good
cops out there from people like you who like to prejudge people
based on their profession. How dare you judge me based on a
limited interaction with a handful of people who happen to have the
same job as me?
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crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 Alright as*hole!
Location: I do know that the Sheriff and police cheif do in
Posts: 72 fact get together and decide on whether or not
they can get away with hiring a homocidal
as*hole in their department/county.
I personaly have been privy to this information

and I have educated myself to the common
practices of YOUR corrupt government.
Would you like to share how you are privy to this knowledge? Just

saying that you know something to the contrary to what I posted

means nothing to me.
quote:
As far as the whole 'bad apple' quote; I am so

f*cking tired of hearing that excuse, it's as old
and as tired as the dog ate my homework.
If I hire an employee and that employee goes into
or onto a clients property and then steals
something or causes any other damage to
persons or property who's fault is that?
MINE! I take total and complete responsibility for
what happens and who I send out to jobs, it is MY
responsibility and my DESIRE to ensure the safety
and satisfaction of those I serve.
I would also waste no time in firing an employee
or reporting a co-worker if they were anything
but ethical in their duties; therfore weeding out
'bad apples' so my conscience is clear and my
business has a favorable reputation, because
that's what is important to moral and ethical
citizens.
You know what that says about you and your
superiors?
That the standards set in the police departments
are lower than the standards of a bar manager/
party planner.
It screams that a single mother with very little
resources places higher standards on her self and
her employee's ( who by the way have nothing
more than a High School education and a
mixologist and food handlers permit, I think some
might even have gotten a traffic ticket or two! oh
my gosh!) than those who are licensed to carry
and use deadly weapons and who are also
responsible for lives.
You really are a pathetic bunch of excuse making,
blame placing, irresponsible, ignorant, arrogant,
folks who are willing to lie and hide to save your
own as*es.
Can you give one example of an instance when

you were witness to or knew of one your co-
workers doing something that was unethical?
And if you can then can you HONESTLY say that
you did not downplay it or look the other way so
as to make YOUR life easier?

No. I can honestly say I've never seen a coworker of mine do

something unethical to where I have had to downplay it in my mind
or look the other way to make my life easier. That being said, I am
a patrol officer in my own patrol car and handle my own calls for
service for the most part. There was this one time, though, when I
heard of a police officer assaulting another police officer who was in
custody after being arrested for child pornography. I'm sure you
would find that to be OK though. To be honest, I was OK with it too.
quote:
If you choose to answer these questions then be

aware you will be asked to prove what you say by
others here but I will not.
Well thats apparent since you obviously just say things and expect
people to believe them. (see response to first quote in this post).
quote:
I only ask that you keep in mind that a loley bar

manager and a bunch of bartenders and caterers'
hold themselves and one another to a higher
professional and personal standard than you and
yours the next time you KNOW of a 'bad apple'.
Ok. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
12-24-2008 01:59 AM
CC Rider You have opened mouth and inserted foot again grxgrl
GOT FREE SPEECH?
If you violate anyone's civil rights it's not okay, I don't give a rats
ass if they are a cop or doughnut maker.
There are very good reasons in not violating the rights of arrestee's
Registered: Mar 2007 - one being your actions may cause the bastard to get off the
Location: Behind You charges.
Posts: 1060
I also take it you do not subscribe to the fact a person is innocent
until proven guilty in a court of law? If you and your ilk continue to
administer street justice you can bet you're a shining example of
what you can expect in return.
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tragedy.”
12-24-2008 12:21 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I also take it you do not subscribe to the fact a

person is innocent until proven guilty in a
court of law?
Of course not. He's a cop.

Posts: 5865 __________________
Thomas Jefferson

Grigg

12-24-2008 12:44 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 Of course not. He's a cop.
Location:
Posts: 72
Sure I do. The beautiful thing is I only need to have probable cause
of guilt before I arrest someone and accuse them of a crime. The
prosecutor has a way harder job to accomplish of actual conviction.
12-24-2008 04:25 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
The prosecutor has a way harder job to

accomplish of actual conviction.
Bullshit. I can think of few jobs in the current "justice" system

easier than that of a prosecutor. Why? Because in 95-plus
percent of trials (I'm being conservative here; the actual figure
Posts: 5865 is probably closer to 99.999 percent), he/she has an assistant/
enabler: the black-robed clown at the head of the courtroom.
Far from being an impartial arbiter of the proceedings, this
creature's main function is to ensure that the prosecutor gains a
conviction by any means possible. After all, both of these
criminals are henchmen of the same monster (i.e., the State)
and both have a duty to provide fodder the prison-industrial
complex and otherwise empower said State.
Rare is the prosecutor who loses a criminal case. Since most

defendants are coerced into a plea bargain in which they are
forced to admit to lesser charges, usually for a crime they didn't
commit in the first place, prosecutors rarely need to actually
take a defendant's case to trial. In those instances where the
defendant digs in his/her heals and demands a jury trial, the
corrupt process of voire-dire (a.ka. jury tampering by the State)
almost always guarantees that the defendant will face a hostile/
ignorant/misinformed jury, especially if he/she is indigent or
without funds to retain halfway competent defense counsel.
Indeed, in some states (Texas is notorious in this area), a

defendant who refuses to plea bargain and insists on a trial

before a jury of his peers is almost guaranteed a conviction by a
vengeful prosecutor-judge duo that is enraged at the defendant
for subverting the "conviction mill" process.
Thus on those exceedingly rare occasions when a prosecutor

loses a trial, it is usually due to procedural incompetence so
breathtaking that the facade of "justice" would be ripped to
shreds if the defendant was convicted. Unlike most defense
attorneys (a category that DOES NOT include public defenders,
who are also employees of the State and who therefore have no
incentive to aggressively represent their clients' interests before
the court), prosecutors are usually given second, third, fourth....
hundredth chances to convict until they get it right, and
therefore never have to face the consequences for subverting
justice.
I've witnessed multiple criminal trials in which trial judges

actually berate prosecutors for failing to object strenuously
enough to defense attorneys' lines of questions, but HAVE
NEVER ONCE heard a judge in any courtroom chastise a
defense attorney for failure to aggressively represent his client.
Again, the prosecutor has the easiest job in the courtroom. This
would certainly be the farthest thing from the truth if we lived in
a nation that had a REAL system of justice that required a
burden of proof AND an impartial judge and jury.
__________________
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Grigg
12-24-2008 06:06 PM

loudnclear if'n u dint opin yer yap u'd be ok (DUMBAS*)

Senior Member
quote:
No. I can honestly say I've never seen a coworker of

Registered: Dec 2008 mine do something unethical to where I have had
Location: Washington to downplay it in my mind or look the other way
Posts: 112 to make my life easier.
I am sure that in your mind certain things pertaining to your

cohorts and yourself are not unethical (IN YOUR MIND)
quote:
That being said, I am a patrol officer in my own patrol

car and handle my own calls for service for the most
part.
Oh I see... so there really is absolutley nobody who has any idea of

what you are REALLY doing in your 'patrol' car all alone, hmmm.
quote:
There was this one time, though, when I heard of a

police officer assaulting another police officer who was
in custody after being arrested for child pornography.
I'm sure you would find that to be OK though.
You see! This just goes back to what I was saying in another post!
You guys really do have absolutely no idea of what you are doing!
While I would most certainly feel like killing the bastar* for touching
a child in such a way I assure you I would not ever take the law
into my hands .I can and do control myself, you should try it
sometime, gives a person a sense of humanity.
Knowing that beating someone for such a foul act would only give
them and their sleazy attorney an excuse to sue the county/state or
what have you and what does that accomplish?
The settlement would pay the childs restitution etc... rather than
the cop losing something other than a trip to summer camp for the
sexually deviant.( too many reasons of why this is wrong) and
unlike you I strongly believe in civil rights. Beating a sick individual
does not take back the emotional scars received by the victim, all it
does is satisfy the uncontrolable urge of a cop that decided ( once

again) to be judge, jury blah blah blah.

So shame on you and yours.
quote:
To be honest, I was OK with it too
Exactly; thats what I'm talking about.

This is probably a made up story anyway, but your admission to
your thuggery is refreshing.
Now back to my first point
quote:

mine do something unethical to where I have had
to downplay it in my mind or look the other way
to make my life easier.
While you say you did not see this supposed act, explain to me
what YOU believe ethics are and how the cop who beat the other
was reprimanded?
Or was it? Did you buy it dinner and drinks? You already stated you
were pleased with the actions of this other thug so how can the
parents of the child feel as though the p i g that hurt their child will
be punished to fullest extent of the law if THEIR/OUR tax dollars are
paying for their childs mental health recovery?
Shouldn't the cop/criminal be paying for that?
The cop who hurt their child will now be considered a victim himself
and more than likely be excused from lock up for it's own safety?
If I were to go beat an individual for hurting my child I would not
have the sympathy of you or any other cop.
I would not recieve special treatment and my child would be sent to
foster 'care' where he or she would likely be abused more and I
would have to attend court ordered anger management, parenting
classes, drug and alcohol treatment, random u.a.'s, pay medical
bills for the piece of **** who hurt my kid, pay child support,
attend a great deal of court hearings, and in the end there would
still be a good chance of losing all parental rights since the law is if
a parent does not have all court ordered services accomplished by
15 to 20 months then they forfiet their child. Usually the 'services'
are not possible to complete because every time a parent finishes
one battery of classes the social worker piles on more.
A 4k bonus for every kid adopted is quite the accomplishment for
corrupt government officials
IF I was able to get my child back from the clutches of the state

then we would still have to tolerate a socail worker in our home for
a number of months for surprise visits and my child would more
than likely suffer from mental anguish as a result from all of this.
Did I mention the fact that most parents who have had the state
kidjack their child are not allowed the court ordered ( once a week
hour long) visits? It's usually because some lying lazy social worker
complains that they are under staffed and need more money from
who? From US.
So again I ask? What happend to the cop who beat the other ?
None of the above I am sure!
ARGH! I give up. No matter how much logic, common sense and
truth I throw at you, you will still argue your unethical, immoral and
criminal excuses that shield you from facing the painful facts.
You are exactly what good decent people warn their children about.
12-25-2008 06:17 AM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Bull****. I can think of few jobs in the current "justice"
system easier than that of a prosecutor. Why? Because
in 95-plus percent of trials (I'm being conservative
Registered: Dec 2008 here; the actual figure is probably closer to 99.999
Location: Washington percent), he/she has an assistant/enabler: the black-
Posts: 112 robed clown at the head of the courtroom. Far from
being an impartial arbiter of the proceedings, this
creature's main function is to ensure that the
prosecutor gains a conviction by any means possible.
After all, both of these criminals are henchmen of the
same monster (i.e., the State) and both have a duty to
provide fodder the prison-industrial complex and
otherwise empower said State.
I second that!
I've seen it first hand, ridiculous circus.
Most judges are buddies with the arresting ' officer ' and all
prosecutors are bullies.
Wait I take that back... I know of one prosecutor who is decent, her
exact words as follows ( and I quote )
"Don't get me wrong Nicole, I am not saying the cops were in the
right or that you don't have a reason to be angry.
In fact in the 20 years I've been a prosecutor in this county I
haven't known of a cop capable of telling the truth.
This being the main reason I decided to join my husband in his civil

law practice, I just couldn't continue to fight the justice system for
what is actually just, any longer."
Mind you though, this was said 20 years after being a part of the
sickness.
I know the prosecutor (s) I have had to deal with and/or seen in
action are snide, snobby, sarcastic, God wannabee 's that tend to
hide within their own little toilet of a world.
Too afraid to even shop at the local grocery stores for fear of
running into someone whose life they have destroyed.
Ironic how they don't ever seem to parade themselves out in public
for praise from the citizens they claim to serve.
No they hide in neighboring counties.
On the other hand, those of us who do what is right, what is just,

fighting for truth; often make ourselves available to our fellow
citizens and are very open about what we believe and do in an
attempt to make this country safe to live in.
Cowards and criminals hide from the truth... isn't that right crxguy!
What county, city and state do you hide in?
12-25-2008 06:41 AM
CC Rider It says it lives in Missouri in its post! Something about an

GOT FREE SPEECH? accredited university it has a degree from in Missouri.
Mail order and internet degree's are not worth the paper they are
written on crxgrl. If it were a university worth a damn you would
Registered: Mar 2007 have used the name of the University V. An Accredited University in
Location: Behind You Missouri, and been proud to do so! More likely a CC or Technical
Posts: 1060 School, the same place you studied for your GED!
In only a few post you have proven what this site is about in a
nutshell. You come here like you are going to enlighten everyone on
what a GOOD COP is using yourself as an example, then you stick it
to yourself with comments like:
quote:
crxgrl wrote:
mine do something unethical to where I have had to
downplay it in my mind or look the other way to make
my life easier. That being said, I am a patrol officer in
my own patrol car and handle my own calls for service
for the most part. There was this one time, though,
when I heard of a police officer assaulting another
police officer who was in custody after being arrested
for child pornography. I'm sure you would find that to
be OK though. To be honest, I was OK with it too.

Okay lets look at this - downplay it in my mind or look the other

way to make my life easier.
After hinting to the fact you knew an officer arrested for child porn
was assaulted by other officers and are okay with it, you have just
placed as a record on this website that you not only condone
violence against cops but other arrestee's also. If you had
knowledge of the incident it was your duty (bound by oath) to
report it to the correct authorities, so yes you covered for cops that
violated another cops rights I don't care how you don't have the
need to downplay it, it is what it is!
All your arguments are null and void after this point. You are a self
admitted ROGUE COP with less standards and morals than a three
year old r e tarded monkey (no disrespect to r e tarded monkey's)
by your own admission! So while your being honest - be honest
with yourself!
Looks like another good argument for the Bad Apple Theory also -
in this situation alone I see three Bad Apples - The Cop fondling
kids - The Cop who assaulted the Cop who fondled kids & You for
not taking your oath seriously enough to report this behavior.
Damn don't you just hate it when you prove yourself a P R I C K?
Another of your ever so eloquent post in quote:
quote:
crxgrl wrote:
The beautiful thing is I only need to have probable
cause of guilt before I arrest someone and accuse them
of a crime.
If you were not a witness to the assault this suggest that enough
people in the department knew details to get the word around and
have a good laugh about it - which also implicates them in
condoning violence against Police Officers and Arrestee's, but you
don't work in a bad department do you, my how things like that slip
my mind considering the circumstances. If you only need to have
probable cause of guilt before arrest and accusation of a crime then
why did you hold your nuts (assuming you have a set that belong
to you) in this particular case?
quote:
crxgrl wrote:
Because to be honest, you were OK with it?

Looks like you lasted about 30+ post. Most cops make stupid
comments and run away much sooner, so you may have an
advanced GED come to think of it.
__________________

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Last edited by CC Rider on 12-25-2008 at 02:35 PM
12-25-2008 02:12 PM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Looks like you lasted about 30+ post. Most cops make
stupid comments and run away much sooner, so you
may have an advanced GED come to think of it.
Posts: 112
LOL... hangs his certificate of 'technical ways to get around the

truth' proudly from his gun belt. Just in case somebody disagree's
with it's logic.
quote:
Again. And people call me the troll? I have never

defended the actions of bad cops. But I will still defend
myself and other good cops out there from people like
you who like to prejudge people based on their
profession. How dare you judge me based on a limited
interaction with a handful of people who happen to
have the same job as me?

You just defended a bad cop!

See previous posts.
What you are saying is completely contradictory!

Handful of people my ass!
What are you comparing this handful too?
The entire police force of untied states?
How can you say that?
Do you have information that YOU are privy to in order to back up
this obsurd lie?
quote:
It sounds like you are just using this point to complain

about a bad experience you had with a police officer. A
police officer who was probably so bogged down with
criminal cases that he either lost the message to call
you back, or didn't have the time to call you back
A bad experiance? As in one. With one cop. On one occasion.

I don't think so, I am not the type of person that sits back and say
to myself 'oh well I guess if I can't get in contact with this one
person so I will just allow my jewelry and my childrens expensive
toys to be sold at a sleazy pawn shop, nor am I the type of person
who gives someone a break because they are not capable of
handling their case load.
No messsage was lost, I spoke directly to him.
AND if a lost message is a valid excuse for you then once again
shame on you and yours.
YOU WORK AS A COP! You should ALWAYS have EVERY message
from crime victims and if lost messages are occuring then fire the
imbecile that took the message or get a new voice mail system.
If you know the problem is occuring then FIX IT! Or you are
ethically and morally responsible for the damage done due to this
problem.
NO FREAKIN EXCUSES!
YOU SIGNED ON FOR THIS JOB ,TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER
STANDARD, PROMISING TO TAKE THE SAFETY OF US SERIOUSLY.
NO EXCUSES!
If you can not live up to this then get out.
If you were employed by me and had that many excuses I'd fire
your as* .
When my employees make a mistake, no matter the reason for the
mistake they own up to it, claim it and correct it.
And they are not responsible for LIVES in the way a cop is, they

don't have my permission to shoot people.

Again; start with baby steps and take your example from those who
are responsible in their duties.
I have a 22 year old little gal who I just hired and she takes more
pride in her character than you obviously do not and she has no
real life experiance let alone bartending experiance.
Whats that say about you? Not good huh!
12-25-2008 05:56 PM
CC Rider I think it was Lincoln who said:

GOT FREE SPEECH?
It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt.
Guess what crxguy? You have removed all doubt at this time with
Location: Behind You your post concerning the assault on a police officer in custody for
Posts: 1060 fondling a kid!
Not that I expect you will ever post here again with the screen
name grxguy after admitting to being a ROGUE COP!
Your done in 34 post.
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12-26-2008 12:02 PM

crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 It says it lives in Missouri in its post! Something
Location: about an accredited university it has a degree
Posts: 72 from in Missouri.
Mail order and internet degree's are not worth the

paper they are written on crxgrl. If it were a
university worth a damn you would have used the
name of the University V. An Accredited
University in Missouri, and been proud to do so!
More likely a CC or Technical School, the same
place you studied for your GED!
Whew, good family time over the past few weeks. Where were we?
Oh yea, people talking sh*t on me because they hate me for my
job. The reason I did not state where I received my degree from is
pretty much the same reason why I don't state which department I
work for. I'm sure your moderators can do some research from my
limited posting on this board and figure out who I am and where I
live. I don't want to make the job too easy for them.
quote:
In only a few post you have proven what this site

is about in a nutshell. You come here like you are
going to enlighten everyone on what a GOOD COP
is using yourself as an example, then you stick it
to yourself with comments like:
Okay lets look at this - downplay it in my mind or

look the other way to make my life easier.
After hinting to the fact you knew an officer
arrested for child porn was assaulted by other
officers and are okay with it, you have just placed
as a record on this website that you not only
condone violence against cops but other
arrestee's also. If you had knowledge of the
incident it was your duty (bound by oath) to
report it to the correct authorities, so yes you
covered for cops that violated another cops rights
I don't care how you don't have the need to
downplay it, it is what it is!

I didn't know for a fact whether this occurred or not. All I heard is
from ONE fellow officer. I was not present when this allegedly took
place. If I reported that, do you know where it would go? Nowhere.
quote:
All your arguments are null and void after this

point. You are a self admitted ROGUE COP with
less standards and morals than a three year old r
e tarded monkey (no disrespect to r e tarded
monkey's) by your own admission! So while your
being honest - be honest with yourself!
Looks like another good argument for the Bad
Apple Theory also - in this situation alone I see
three Bad Apples - The Cop fondling kids - The
Cop who assaulted the Cop who fondled kids &
You for not taking your oath seriously enough to
report this behavior. Damn don't you just hate it
when you prove yourself a P R I C K?
Another of your ever so eloquent post in quote:
If you were not a witness to the assault this

suggest that enough people in the department
knew details to get the word around and have a
good laugh about it - which also implicates them
in condoning violence against Police Officers and
Arrestee's, but you don't work in a bad
department do you, my how things like that slip
my mind considering the circumstances. If you
only need to have probable cause of guilt before
arrest and accusation of a crime then why did you
hold your nuts (assuming you have a set that
belong to you) in this particular case?
Again. I heard from ONE officer. That would be like a citizen coming
up to me and telling me that they knew a guy who knew a guy who
knew a guy that punched someone. Even if I knew the identity of
the suspect, that wouldn't even come close to probable cause.
quote:
Looks like you lasted about 30+ post. Most cops

make stupid comments and run away much
sooner, so you may have an advanced GED come
to think of it.

Awwww, thats the first positive thing someone has said to me on

this forum. I'm all warm and fuzzy inside.
01-09-2009 09:02 PM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Whew, good family time over the past few weeks.
Where were we?Oh yea, people talking sh*t on me
because they hate me for my job.
Posts: 112
Hmmm... 'people talking sh*t ON me because they hate me for my

job"
Technical college for the ignorant.
Nobody is 'talking sh*t ON YOU because they hate you for your job'
In fact I haven't read any post in which any person in these forums
have talked any sh*t at all!
I have read truth and opinions as well as truth in opinions, but I do
understand how a person such as yourself would view truth as sh*t.
If it hasn't been twisted and knotted into a deadly mass of damage
then cops tend to view truth as sh*it ( if not "OH SH*T" )
quote:
The reason I did not state where I received my degree

from is pretty much the same reason why I don't state
which department I work for. I'm sure your moderators
can do some research from my limited posting on this
board and figure out who I am and where I live. I don't
want to make the job too easy for them.
Seriously? C'mon now!

The citizens who involve themselves with "Policing the Scum"
have no interest in taking valuable time out their lives to figure out
where someone who is as insignificant as yourself comes from.
If you were truly an honest cop who belived in the rights of all
humanity you would have no problem speaking out in public about

being a hero, an honest cop, an honorable individual.

You would have no problem; in fact you would be eager to expose
the corruption you know about.
quote:
All I heard is from ONE fellow officer. I was not present

when this allegedly took place.
If my child came home from school one day and reported to me

that little Johnny was beating up on another child I would make it a
priority to contact the school! ( even if she only heard about it from
a fellow student, responsible people take the safety of others
seriously)
If I didn't report the abuse to the proper authorities then I would be
responsible if the student who had been bullied brought a .45 to
school and took matters into their hands.
Another likely scenerio is that the student being beaten up would be
seriously injured both physicaly as well as emotionaly.
quote:
If I reported that, do you know where it would go?

Nowhere.
Yes, we do know this.

Thank you for proving the original point.
This is called CORRUPTION and this is why you and your buddies
need to be disarmed.
01-11-2009 10:01 PM

loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
It says it lives in Missouri in its post! Something about
an accredited university it has a degree from in Missouri

Posts: 112
Honestly, I don't think crxguy is even a cop.
I think it may know a cop or even be related to a cop , but not a
cop.
CRX guy: isn't a CRX a Honda?

A very good friend of mine builds motors for NASCAR and is has
been involved in the racing scene since the 70's.
He travels all over the U.S. in the racing circuit and knows a lot of
people.
One of these people uses the screen name is CRX guy.
So with this curiosity nagging at me in my spare time I decided to
do a CRX guy search and it seems to me that every CRX guy is the
same person and has even posted on political web pages as CRX
guy.
Could be wrong but I'd bet this dweeb is just another wanna be
thug.
01-11-2009 10:11 PM
Night Raven CRX?

Senior Member
quote:
Honestly, I don't think crxguy is even a cop.

I think it may know a cop or even be related to a cop ,
but not a cop.

Location:
Posts: 4804
I think that loudnclear is on the right track. My personal theory is
that some copscum pooled their drug money and hired a
semiliterate troll, much as would someone in the Middle Ages who
could not read or write hire a scribe to read and write
correspondence for them. Its attempts at reasoning tell me that it
has probably "matriculated" in some on-line "university", the
modern version of some Matchbook University. (Draw the puppy,
become famous like Norman Rockwell.)
These online "schools" award "degrees" based on work submitted

via computer--and hey, I can already see some of you detecting the

drawbacks to this sort of "education"--namely, the hiring of some

surrogate to do your "work" for your "degree" in "criminal justice",
no doubt. If it did actually manage to attend some obscure Kop
Kommunity Kollage "somewhere in Missouri" (scary thought there
in itself), it was subjected to a few hours of copscum propaganda
shat forth by professors (to them, "perfessors") who inevitably turn
out to be veteran copscum who also hold dubious "degrees".
These "Kop Kollage Perfessers" are hired from the "Good Ole Boy"
cesspool of retired copscum who wish to further rob the public with
their inflated salaries. Moreover, "Klasses" at Kop Kollage are
generally little more than glorified bull**** sessions which feature
endless tall tales of personal "bravery" told by these Kop Kollage
Perfessers. It is, no doubt, very difficult to remain awake and alert
during these "Klasses".
Copscum universally whine about the "difficulty" of attending Kop

Kollages. This I can understand. It must certainly be a trial for
anyone whose childhood companions nicknamed them "Dumbass",
"Doofus", "****-for-Brains", "Fuktard", etc.
__________________

--Tom Robbins
01-11-2009 11:48 PM

AVENGER crxb*tch:
Senior Member "Oh yea, people talking sh*t on me because they hate me for my
job."
It's spelled "yeah," you ignoramus. Unless you're cheering. Are you
a cheerleader, crxb*tch? Never mind. Too obscure for you, I'm
sure. Fair warning: I just laid a trap here. Be very careful how you
reply. Better yet, just get a life, loser.
I don't hate you for your supposed job. I hate you because you're a
Registered: Feb 2007 pompous ass -- like every pencil-dicked p*g on a superiority trip I
Location: This is hell. have ever encountered. Thou doth protest too much. If you aren't a
Posts: 679 cop, you sure do have their unearned, unrealistic holier-than-thou
attitude nailed. Perhaps you should take up acting. You're welcome,
smart ass.
Good call, loudnclear. I'd say more, but in the interest of plausible
deniability...
Night Raven, the online school situation is even worse than you
imagine. I have seen the actual work turned in by these actual
students. (I'm a very helpful fellow. Uh oh -- better lock me the
f*ck up.) It's not only utterly illiterate, but they clearly never even
understood the point of the lesson. The result? An "A."
__________________
Thomas Jefferson
nothing."
Edmund Burke
convicted."
01-12-2009 01:08 AM

crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 Hmmm... 'people talking sh*t ON me because
Location: they hate me for my job"
Posts: 72
Technical college for the ignorant.
Nobody is 'talking sh*t ON YOU because they hate

you for your job'
In fact I haven't read any post in which any

person in these forums have talked any sh*t at all!
I have read truth and opinions as well as truth in
opinions, but I do understand how a person such
as yourself would view truth as sh*t.
If it hasn't been twisted and knotted into a deadly
mass of damage then cops tend to view truth as
sh*it ( if not "OH SH*T" )
Really? CC Rider constantly calls me crxgrl. A very mature response

including a well thought out argument of his opinion of me.
And AVENGER calling me crxb*tch. Another very mature, well

thought out response.
I could dig up some other gems, but I really don't care what you
think.
01-12-2009 04:25 PM
MGMAN quote:
Senior Member
.
I could dig up some other gems, but I really don't care

what you think.
hmmmm and you honestly think we care what you think, if you had
any brains you would have already seen that you are being made
Registered: Jan 2008 fun of. Keep on making a jacka$$ out of yourself, because thats all
Location: Peoples Rebublik of you are doing.
Georgia
Posts: 1129

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Militamus sub spe.
01-12-2009 06:06 PM
loudnclear quote:
Senior Member
Really? CC Rider constantly calls me crxgrl. A very
mature response including a well thought out argument
of his opinion of me. And AVENGER calling me
Registered: Dec 2008 crxb*tch. Another very mature, well thought out
Location: Washington response.
Posts: 112
I think you missed a rather large portion of the point.

I will spell it out for you in as easy to understand terms as possible:
YOU claim that YOU have a degree, that YOU attended some kind of
technical school.
YOU, obviously, did not learn proper english or how to write a
sentence, it is not likey that anyone can talk sh*t ON YOU.
YOU claim that people hate you FOR your job.
How does that make sense?
If you would have stated that people hate you because OF your job
then you would have created a sentence that made sense but
instead you end up sounding like some frustrated 4 yr. old whom
does not understand the difference of verbs, adjectives, synonyms,
etc...
I am not claiming to hold a college degree in anything yet I am able
to quickly point out the obvious fragment and slang in your

sentence structure and verbage.
As far as people calling you names?

get over it
quote:
I could dig up some other gems, but I really don't care

what you think.
You claim you don't care what anyone here thinks about you yet
you choose to point out the fact that you are referred to as a name
other than what you choose and you whine about people
" talking sh*t ON you" and "hating you FOR YOUR job"
Stop your attempts to avoid the revelant issues and perhaps people
will stop talking sh*t ABOUT you.
Be open to the truth and honest in your culpablilty then maybe
people won't hate you BECAUSE of your job.
Maybe if you were honest/honorable, people would like you IN
SPITE OF YOUR CHOICE of employment.
You choose to run with the PlGS so now you have to deal with the
SHlT.
Make wiser choices and EARN respect.
These are all things your parents should have taught you and we
can not help it that you are ignorant to this.
01-12-2009 06:09 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 hmmmm and you honestly think we care what
Location: you think, if you had any brains you would have
Posts: 72 already seen that you are being made fun of.
Keep on making a jacka$$ out of yourself,
because thats all you are doing.
Did I say I thought you care what I think?

No.
01-12-2009 08:38 PM
crxguy quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2008 I think you missed a rather large portion of the
Location: point.
Posts: 72 I will spell it out for you in as easy to understand
terms as possible:
YOU claim that YOU have a degree, that YOU

attended some kind of technical school.
YOU, obviously, did not learn proper english or
how to write a sentence, it is not likey that
anyone can talk sh*t ON YOU.
YOU claim that people hate you FOR your job.
How does that make sense?
If you would have stated that people hate you
because OF your job then you would have created
a sentence that made sense but instead you end
up sounding like some frustrated 4 yr. old whom
does not understand the difference of verbs,
adjectives, synonyms, etc...
I am not claiming to hold a college degree in
anything yet I am able to quickly point out the
obvious fragment and slang in your sentence
structure and verbage.
As far as people calling you names?
get over it
You claim you don't care what anyone here thinks

about you yet you choose to point out the fact
that you are referred to as a name other than
what you choose and you whine about people
" talking sh*t ON you" and "hating you FOR YOUR
job"
Stop your attempts to avoid the revelant issues

and perhaps people will stop talking sh*t ABOUT
you.
Be open to the truth and honest in your
culpablilty then maybe people won't hate you
BECAUSE of your job.
Maybe if you were honest/honorable, people

would like you IN SPITE OF YOUR CHOICE of

employment.
You choose to run with the PlGS so now you have

to deal with the SHlT.
Make wiser choices and EARN respect.
These are all things your parents should have
taught you and we can not help it that you are
ignorant to this.
Ha. I get personally attacked on these forums and I'm the one
avoiding the issues. Hilarious.
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photoman Oh **** another 12 year old pretending to be a cop? How

Senior Member refreshing!
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loudnclear quote:
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Ha. I get personally attacked on these forums and I'm
the one avoiding the issues. Hilarious

Posts: 112
You have done plenty of 'attacking' yourself.
Again; it all comes down to choice and you made the choice to
register into these forums and to provoke individuals and their
beliefs.
I don't think any one of us have signed up on the Honda sites and "
talked sh*t ON" racing CRX Honda's.
( HINT) Obsessing on how much you don't care... means your little
feelings are bruised.
AND WE ALL KNOW IT!
One huge difference between you and us is that when any one of us
begins a conversation with another person and in that conversation
we disagree and even dislike each other, we don't resort to whining.
Don't start a war if you haven't the testicle fortitude to handle the
battle.
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Cops with bald heads
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Night Raven Cops with bald heads

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Why do cops shave their heads to masquerade as crash test

dummies?
A colleague did suggest that (1) they have a latent desire to mimic
the appearance of infants as an expression of their oedipal
tendencies, and (2) perhaps they fear that otherwise someone
might recover a strand of their hair and test it for illegal drug use.
Location: Any ideas?
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liberranter (3) Having a skinhead makes it more difficult for their female
Super Moderator (or child) rape victims to fight back by pulling hair (which
relates directly to theory number 2).
(4) Having a shaved head will make it easier for the

neurosurgeons to operate faster in the unlikely event that a
suitable brain is found for a transplant (that in the unlikely
event that no more suitable or deserving recipient can be found
for an available brain and that they decide to give it to a
worthless cop who neither needs it nor will know what to do
with it once he/she/it has it).
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Nuklhed Im just going bald and it looks better than having the ring of hair
Junior Member around my head.

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Tracker It's a matter of personal choice. Some opt for bald than the military
Junior Member "high & tight" there's less maintainance to baldness.

Location:
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12-06-2008 03:42 PM
GC Marciano They think it makes them looks like a badass.

I think it makes them look like a penis.
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12-06-2008 04:47 PM

photoman LESS MAINTENANCE? ROFLMAO

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quote:
Posts: 875 Originally posted by Tracker
It's a matter of personal choice. Some opt for
bald than the military "high & tight" there's less
maintainance to baldness.
12-06-2008 04:54 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
...there's less maintainance to baldness.
Add a number five to my previous list:
(5) Since most cops are far too mentally stunted to grasp the
Registered: Jun 2005 concept of (let alone possess the motor skills required for)
holding a comb in one hand and moving it across the scalp, it's
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easier just to have all their hair shaved off.
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12-06-2008 05:09 PM
Tracker quote:
Junior Member
Add a number five to my previous list:
Location: (5) Since most cops are far too mentally stunted to
Posts: 12 grasp the concept of (let alone possess the motor skills
required for) holding a comb in one hand and moving it
across the scalp, it's easier just to have all their hair
shaved off.
I AGREE!
12-06-2008 05:54 PM
GC Marciano quote:
I AGREE!
Hey look... a hint of something possible resembling a spark of

intelligence!

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12-06-2008 06:09 PM

zonmoy Ever thought of checking the list of the local neo nazi skinhead
Member groups to compare with the list of the local cops. wouldnt be
surprised if the lists are very simular.

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tekfetish How to Ask a Cop?

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Anyone know where I can really go to ask a cop questions online?

Location: I can't manage to get an account approved at officer.com despite
Posts: 56
never having posted there.
Here cops rarely reply.
In case the forum is touchy about other internet sites being

advertised here, just send me an email.
Thanks

11-29-2008 02:46 PM
CC Rider Try http://www.Ratemycop.com

GOT FREE SPEECH?
There are some real pr!cks on there so beware!
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11-29-2008 03:28 PM
liberranter Re: How to Ask a Cop?

Super Moderator
Originally posted by tekfetish
quote:
I can't manage to get an account approved at

officer.com despite never having posted there.

Location: Tucson, AZ What user name did you use when you requested an account at
Posts: 5865
doubledigitiq.com? I hope you didn't use the same one you use
here; if you did, that's probably the reason they didn't approve
an account for you.
quote:
Here cops rarely reply.

Just as well, since even when they do, 99.999 percent of the
time their answers are transparent lies.
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11-30-2008 01:55 AM
tekfetish Re: Re: How to Ask a Cop?

Member
quote:
Location:
Posts: 56
What user name did you use when you requested an
account at doubledigitiq.com?
I tried a different username and even registered to a different email

account...
I'm wondering if they're letting any non-cops register?
-tek
12-01-2008 03:26 AM

liberranter Re: Re: Re: How to Ask a Cop?

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quote:
I'm wondering if they're letting any non-cops

register?
-tek

Posts: 5865
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they've shut off membership or
forum access to anyone other than cops who can provide proof
of their identity. Given that cops hate scrutiny by the citizenry
like a vampire hates sunlight or silver crosses, it's a wonder
that they didn't do this a long time ago.
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12-01-2008 12:49 PM

photoman Re: Re: Re: Re: How to Ask a Cop?

Senior Member
Just another indication they will always have this US against Them
Registered: Aug 2006 mentality and have no intentions of bridging the GAP!
Posts: 875
quote:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they've shut off
membership or forum access to anyone other
than cops who can provide proof of their identity.
Given that cops hate scrutiny by the citizenry like
a vampire hates sunlight or silver crosses, it's a
wonder that they didn't do this a long time ago.
12-01-2008 02:27 PM
liberranter Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to Ask a Cop?

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quote:
Just another indication they will always have

this US against Them mentality and have no
intentions of bridging the GAP!

Posts: 5865 Exactly, which is why I feel no guilt or shame whatsoever for
holding the same attitude.
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COPWATCH.com Forum - officer speeding by childrens park
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katy officer speeding by childrens park

Junior Member
i need a bit of advice with a neighborhood issue. i live in a small

Registered: Jul 2008 town right next door to the town pool, park and field that is used
Location:
Posts: 1 for sports and ice skating in winter. there are always people
crossing the street. it is heavily populated. the road runs right into
main st less than 1/4 mile down. the speed limit is 25 mph and for
the most part it is upheld. several times a wk an officer sits a little
past my home with radar. i don't know how many tix are given out
but they are usually pulled over in front of my house and it seems
there is always blue lights flashing day and night. the problem is
around 6 a.m 3 to 4 times a week a state police cruiser goes by so
fast he's nothing but a blur, seriously, it took a few times before i
could make out that it was a cruiser then a few more before i could
tell it was state. the flashing lights are never on and neither is the
siren. i'm usually on the front porch with my dogs at this time and
have never seen the lights or heard the siren, not once. it is

incomprehensible to me how this individual could have such a

blantant disregard for the speed limit in this part of town. it is only
by the grace of God that noone has been hurt. what can we do to
stop this without retaliation from him or HIS BUDDIES!
07-05-2008 03:21 PM
MGMAN video tape everything, get a friend to help you and see if you can
Senior Member get the cops face on video after you get video of them as they
endanger the children. Show video to a TV station and see if they
will tape it too. Just make sure you follow the advice of other
copwatchers.
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Location: Peoples Rebublik of that work in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties in North East Georgia are
Georgia murderers! They killed a man in cold blood!!
Posts: 1129
Militamus sub spe.
07-05-2008 03:48 PM
superglue You have a better chance of winning the PowerBall lottery than
Junior Member expecting law enforcement to embrace a citizen complaint, which
typically results in defensive posturing from the superswine, who
Registered: Jun 2008 may or may not respond.
Location:
Posts: 14 I've reported cops for speeding, tailgating and other similar
infractions but the complaints were are all met with the same
generic BS; "this officer has an outstanding reputation blah blah
blah.
A few years ago I noticed one of these SOBs following me too

closely and happened to have my digital camera (not video) ready
when he passed me on a double yellow. This was an out of state
p*g from a city near the state line, about 25 miles away.

Despite the fact I had a photo of him on the other side of the
double yellow, as well witnessing him exceeding the speed limit and
rolling a stop sign, his super(swine)visor told me I should not
be using a camera while driving.
I now travel with a video cam and in the event I happen to

document any cop endangering the public it will be posted on You
Tube.
I once followed a deupty who was exceeding the posted 45mph

limit by 30mph after passing me. He wasn't using siren or lights.
What was his big hurry? After spotting the car outside of his
residence I noticed him feeding his dogs in the back yard.
09-24-2008 03:46 PM
liberranter Even with incontrovertible photographic evidence, swine will

Super Moderator rarely EVER discipline their own, no matter how egregious or
criminal the infraction. The usual response by the swine
handlers to the presentation of such evidence is that it's
"tainted" or "biased", or some other line of transparent BS.
Funny, however, that identical evidence originating from the
State's sources is never similarly challenged.
About the best that any of us can do is to continue filming and

shaming these criminal creatures in forums such as this one, or
by forming "citizen's defense committees" to bring them to
summary justice if circumstances are severe enough to warrant.
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Wayneywoj Cop's stole my stuff

Junior Member
I was out skateboarding (im 21 years old, not some punk kid) in a
Registered: Jan 2005 public place with absolutely no "NO SKATEBOARDING" signs up. 2
Location:
Posts: 9 officers rolled up, told me i was tresspassing, then proceeded to
steal my skateboard, and spud cannon. I asked how they were
going to take my stuff, and they said for the spud cannon "Anything
that fires a projectile is illegal in the city". Wouldnt that make their
guns illegal? Or a sprinkler? Or a nerf gun for that matter?
They never gave an explanation of why they took the skateboard,
but i have been to the police station 3 times in an attempt to get
my stuff back, I have given badge #'s and names but the asshole
***s have denied them taking my stuff, or even talking to me. So
now im screwed out of my $150 skateboard and my ingeniously
designed spudgun. And none of this can be justified.
any suggestions on how to get my skateboard and spudgun back?

I fuxxing hate ***s.
01-31-2005 03:56 AM
GOD COP You sure noone called about you skateboarding with a spud cannon
Senior Member on your shoulder?
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wolfer quote:
Member
Originally posted by GOD COP
You sure noone called about you skateboarding
with a spud cannon on your shoulder?
Registered: Sep 2004 I dont even know the guy and im pretty sure they didnt call it in.
Location: A Island in Cali. one of the cops kids got new presents.
Posts: 60
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witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?
01-31-2005 02:40 PM

Wayneywoj Thats what i figured, the spud cannon was sitting about 50 feet
Junior Member away from me on the grass, i was right in the middle of modifying
the ignition mechanism. The old barbq ignitor wasnt doing the job
Registered: Jan 2005 anymore so it was half rigged up with a better sparker (9v battery
Location: with 2 metal spikes inside the combustion chamber sitting about a
Posts: 9
cm away from each other).
I figured that some asshole cops kid got a new spud cannon and a
new skateboard. I am filing my complaint today, but im just hoping
they dont start harassing me at home.
01-31-2005 04:50 PM
Kamakazie Sith What state are you in?

Possibly a SOL Projectile weapons probably have a specific definition. Which
probably includes your spud cannon. I'm just curious.
Location: The best thing you can do at the moment is file a complaint, which
Posts: 520 you're doing. I'm sorry to say that there probably isn't a whole lot
you can do beyond this.
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Wayneywoj I live in michigan.

Junior Member How can you possibly trespass on public property in broad daylight?
They had no justification to steal my skateboard along with the
Registered: Jan 2005 spud cannon, i wouldnt have minded them just taking the spud
Location: cannon(i can make a new one in about 6 hrs). But my brand new
Posts: 9
$150 skateboard! thats really breakin my balls here.
02-01-2005 12:22 AM

Texastwister1 Im sorry the swine took your board. It sounds to me like you got
Senior Member caught up in that little thingy the copsters call the web of justice.

Location: I would bet nine ways to sunday the criminal copscum gave your
Posts: 1744 board to his kid or kids. Cops steal from people everyday.
02-01-2005 01:43 AM
wolfer Yea and the spud gun is his so that when he is out on his boat he
Member can play with the lady's
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Location: A Island in Cali.
Posts: 60
02-01-2005 01:46 AM
umlungosa Why dont you open a case of theft against the two officers.
Senior Member
Were there any witnesses nearby when this event occured, as this
Registered: Aug 2004 would strengthen your case. If not it is just your word against theirs
Location: and unfortunatly that proberly wont cut it.
Posts: 152
02-01-2005 02:28 AM
GOD COP Chances are that the "spudgun" falls under some ordinace that
Senior Member prevents its firing in a populated/city area.
I have fired some very well made spudguns. The bad thing about
the guns is the aerosol. After a few full charges of hairspray, some
remains in the tube. It may not ignite immediately. Then comes
the fireball from both ends!
I fired one like this guy's. It was painted in desert camo and would
shoot over a quarter of a mile.
Attachment: potatogun2.jpg
This has been downloaded 482 time(s).
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02-01-2005 01:04 PM
Texastwister1 quote:
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Location: I have fired some very well made spudguns.
Posts: 1744
Godslop the only thing you fire is your gun at innocent, unarmed
people. You suck, you criminal copscum.
02-01-2005 04:42 PM
GOD COP TT, if that were the case, you'd have a spud in your ass!
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02-01-2005 08:42 PM

starsky probably does have something there.

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02-01-2005 10:50 PM
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Registered: May 2004 TT, if that were the case, you'd have a spud in
Location: your ass!
Posts: 1744
If I want any lip from you copscum, I will scratch it off my zipper.
02-01-2005 11:30 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Kamakazie Sith
sorry to say that there probably isn't a whole
lot you can do
In other words, Kamapig is saying you should bend over and

take it in the ass like a good citizen.
Registered: Jul 2003 Post the cops names, department and badge numbers here.
Posts: 9967
Press charges against the swine for theft.
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02-11-2005 08:56 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Chances are that the "spudgun" falls under
some ordinace that prevents its firing in a
populated/city area.
Thas all fine and dandy. But he didn't fire it, ya stupid fuck. He
stated it was laying in the grass 50' away.
God Slop, just admit it. Your swine buddies robbed him. That's
Posts: 9967 what you lying thieves are good at.
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pat8942 Michigan Is The Problem

Member
Michigan is the problem they make laws as they go I used to live

there but I got smart and left. I now live in New Mexico in the
desert and I can do just about anything without being visited by the
Registered: Oct 2006 Gestapo.
Location: Deming,NM
Posts: 59
I'm sure that cop gave his kid your board and he is enjoying your
spud gun.
Most cops don't have the sense it takes to build their own
All fun in Michigan is strictly verboten and if it's not against the law
now you can be sure the legislature will spend big bucks to make a
new law as soon as they can
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10-05-2006 12:08 AM
Mack Welcome to Copwatch, Pat.

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Were you in big-city or small-town Michigan?
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pat8942 I lived in Westland It's not real big but is surronded by other cities ,
Member Livonia,Canton,Garden City.
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10-05-2006 06:20 PM
adkins quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Wayneywoj
Registered: Sep 2008 Thats what i figured, the spud cannon was sitting
Location: I'm Gone. about 50 feet away from me on the grass, i was
Posts: 20 right in the middle of modifying the ignition
mechanism. The old barbq ignitor wasnt doing the
job anymore so it was half rigged up with a better
sparker (9v battery with 2 metal spikes inside the
combustion chamber sitting about a cm away
from each other).
I figured that some asshole cops kid got a new

spud cannon and a new skateboard. I am filing
my complaint today, but im just hoping they dont
start harassing me at home.
seriously, don't you think it might have been the "spud cannon"?
Come on, you just don't stroll around town with some, or any form
of a projectile launcher like a spud cannon!
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duncan Your being a pest and it is now time for you to exit our internet
Moderator home.
Registered: Jul 2003 bye bye cop lover.

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duncan bye bye zombo and don't let the PC hit cha on the way out.
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COPWATCH.com Forum - Why do cops lie?
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duncan Why do cops lie?

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Tell us.
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James Young For the same reason that dogs lick their balls: they can.
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make us all 'safer.' Personally, I'd rather have a slightly more
dangerous world that respects freedom more. -- The Speed Criminal
04-08-2007 05:02 PM
duncan A dog licks his balls because his balls itch. The dog must lick his
Moderator balls to stop the itching.
Registered: Jul 2003 I'm not sure that analogy works. It might work if the cops were to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado cliam that they need to lie in order to conduct their mission.
Posts: 9006
For all cops the end justifies the means and they believe that they
must break the law in order to enforce it. They must compromise
principle over some illegal state and or city ordinance otherwise
they will lose their coveted job.
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James Young Duncan writes:

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quote:
Location: Austin, TX It might work if the cops were to cliam that they need
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to lie in order to conduct their mission.
That is a frequent claim from cops and even more so from

prosecutors who lie to mislead suspects (not yet defendants) into
thinking that the prosecution knows much more than it actually
does and certainly much more than they can actually prove. Court
decisions uphold this practice but prohibits similar behavior by
suspects/defendants.
On a different level, cops often “testi-lie” (their term) in court

testimony, supplying missing elements of a model testimony that
they in fact did not perform. This was apparent at the OJ trial and
at the trial of an acquaintance of mine who was convicted of murder
and later acquitted when perjured testimony and falsified evidence
were uncovered.
Finally, on a different level from these two is that cops often

sincerely believe their own bullsh!t because it has become a mantra
rather than a process of justice.
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04-08-2007 05:59 PM
Rylan 2.0 Because police is an anagram for "cop lie."

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04-08-2007 09:15 PM
SHERIFF I was trained to lie. Let me explain....

Member
An instructor at our academy asked the class what we would
Registered: Jun 2007 do if a defense attorney asked us a question, and the answer
Location: was detrimental to the prosecution's case. He went on to
Posts: 37 explain that you simply answer with the token "I don't
recall" answer. He explained it as a white lie, perfectly
acceptable because we are not suppose to help the defense
win his case.
I went to the academy director and told him we shouldn't be

taught to lie and that I think the instructor is way out of line
in his teachings. Word of my objections to this training
reached my sheriff before I got back in town the same day.
My sheriff told me to go with the flow if I wanted to keep my
job.
There you have the truth.......
06-18-2007 10:26 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by SHERIFF
He went on to explain that you simply answer
with the token "I don't recall" answer. He
explained it as a white lie, perfectly
acceptable because we are not suppose to
help the defense win his case.

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And this "perfectly acceptable white lie" when uttered in a court
of law is the picture perfect definition of "perjury".
Thanks for the input, Sheriff, and welcome to Copwatch!

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liberranter quote:
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Originally posted by Rylan 2.0
Because police is an anagram for "cop lie."
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06-19-2007 11:53 AM
RebelYell quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Nov 2007 I was trained to lie. Let me explain....
Location:
Posts: 2 An instructor at our academy asked the class
what we would do if a defense attorney asked us
a question, and the answer was detrimental to
the prosecution's case. He went on to explain that
you simply answer with the token "I don't recall"
answer. He explained it as a white lie, perfectly
acceptable because we are not suppose to help
the defense win his case.
I went to the academy director and told him we

shouldn't be taught to lie and that I think the
instructor is way out of line in his teachings.
Word of my objections to this training reached my
sheriff before I got back in town the same day.
My sheriff told me to go with the flow if I wanted
to keep my job.
What happened to the "justice" in the criminal justice system? If on

officer knows information that could help someone defend
themselves against a crime they did not commit, why would that
officer withhold that information? Just to get a conviction?
11-16-2007 04:22 PM
liberranter Originally posted by RebelYell

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quote:
What happened to the "justice" in the criminal

justice system?
It's long gone, assuming that it ever really existed in the first
Registered: Jun 2005 place.
Posts: 5865 quote:

If on officer knows information that could help

someone defend themselves against a crime
they did not commit, why would that officer
withhold that information? Just to get a
conviction?
Sadly, cops see themselves as the armed extension of the

prosecution. Their job is not, in their eyes, to see that justice
gets done. It's to enforce the policies of their boss, the State.
The State, needless to say, has a vested interest in making
convicted criminals out of as many people as possible,
especially those who are unable to defend themselves from the
State's predatory "legal" (read: conviction) system. Ergo, there
is nothing of benefit to a cop by going out on a limb and telling
the truth when the truth could exonerate a defendant. In fact,
most cops will tell you when pressed that they don't believe that
the average citizen DESERVES the right to trial (take a casual
glance at the input from cop members of this forum on that
subject) and that an arrest alone, no matter how bogus or
transparently unjustified, is proof of guilt. Add to this the fact
that the court itself, represented by the presiding judge, is also
an organ of the State that is persecuting (er, sorry,
"prosecuting") the defendant, considers cops to be its enforcers
and protectors and thus is not inclined to hold cops legally liable
for anything and you can clearly see that cops have nothing to
fear by perjuring themselves under oath (which leads to the
question of why anyone takes an oath seriously anymore, since
employees of the State routinely lie, cheat, steal, and murder in
violation of the oaths of office they take to the contrary).
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11-16-2007 05:25 PM
Cybertoad Why Do Cops Lie,

Senior Member Its bread into them from the very beginning of training.
I will use my own case in question, I was asked to come down for
an interview. I sat down and they began to tell me a bunch of
things I knew wasn't true, when it was said and done they said they
knew I didn't do anything. But the questioning said they did, the
whole thing was a big lie to get me to confess to something I didn't
do. You think if I confessed , they would have said just kidding?? I
Registered: Nov 2007 was then I began not to trust cops.
Location: Cops Taste Just Like
I live a good clean life, so I don't dislike them because I do bad
Chicken
Posts: 127 things of that, I mean after all my own sister is a cop in California.
So they lie to get their own ways, I know it sounds petty but they
are trained to be deceitful to get results. They are told to speed
without there lights on so the bad guy doesn't see them, more
deceit.
Now what I find funny is, people like cops go to church and pray
and worship, knowing they just screwed people over.
I don't mean they messed up, I mean they plan to screw you.
Premeditated screw over as it may be.
Are there good cops, well ya of course. But I would say 40% of all
cops are worse then the people they arrest, their alcoholics, drug
addicts, and wife beaters. They say because of the stress gets to
them. I am sure they stressed out ppl like Rodney King too, so do
you think the public cares when your taking a bat to a guy that can
hardly move. That we care MR. PO , that you get stressed while
violating our civil right?
You ever try and hide a lie?

And they wonder why they are stressed, try being a honest police
officer and maybe then you could sleep at night.
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11-17-2007 03:50 AM
liberranter Originally posted by Cybertoad

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quote:
I mean after all my own sister is a cop in

California.
I'm very sorry to hear that. I'm sure too that you've probably
Registered: Jun 2005 attempted on more than one occasion to counsel her on ways of
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quote:
Now what I find funny is, people like cops go

to church and pray and worship, knowing they
just screwed people over.
I don't mean they messed up, I mean they
plan to screw you.
Premeditated screw over as it may be.
I've known this type as well. In fact, I met one member of my

parents' congregation several years ago who had applied to the
San Jose (CA) PD, was accepted, and was scheduled to enter
their academy in about a month from the date we met. I'll
never forget him chastising my parents for participating in a
prison ministry program, his exact words being "You know that
those guys are the scum of the earth! How can you possibly
justify wasting your time on them?" I wasn't surprised; this
church was your typical upper-middle-class, GOP-worshipping
Reichskirche, chock full of people who've never read word one
of the four gospels. It therefore came as no surprise to me that
one of them would want to become a cop at the expense of his
(so-called) faith and show complete disdain for his fellow human
beings. I'll bet he's now a member of the SJPD's "rogue's
gallery", has probably beaten, tortured, or otherwise abused
more than his share of suspects, and is probably still occupying
a pew in the front row every Sunday morning.
quote:

Are there good cops, well ya of course.
And as I've said before, they're all ex-cops, either because their
consciences wouldn't let them remain part of what is now a vile,
lawless profession or because their fellow thugs in blue fingered
them for the people of character that they are and drove them
off the force.
quote:
But I would say 40% of all cops are worse

then the people they arrest...
And I would say that your figure is off by at least 59.99 percent.
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11-17-2007 09:54 PM

Cybertoad LOL are you saying 99%.

Senior Member
Oh and yep Ive tried a few times to counsel my sister, the results
are.........guess if we talk or not?
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Chicken straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is trying to kill
Posts: 127 me. I must out think him before he betters me. I will. Before God I
swear this creed: my thoughts and myself are defenders of my
country and my rights, we are the masters of my enemy, we are
the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace.
Amen
11-17-2007 10:34 PM
dsntslp To cover for each other when they are involved in a hit and run and/
Senior Member or see it happen and they don't have the b&&&s to stand up and do
the right thing! Only God can help the Souls that see something like
Registered: Jan 2007 that and don't do the RIGHT thing! Anymore Questions?
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11-18-2007 02:15 AM
Big Ed quote:
Member
Registered: Oct 2007 I was trained to lie. Let me explain....
Location: USA
Posts: 70 An instructor at our academy asked the class
what we would do if a defense attorney asked us
a question, and the answer was detrimental to
the prosecution's case. He went on to explain that
you simply answer with the token "I don't recall"
answer. He explained it as a white lie, perfectly
acceptable because we are not suppose to help
the defense win his case.
I went to the academy director and told him we

shouldn't be taught to lie and that I think the
instructor is way out of line in his teachings.
Word of my objections to this training reached my
sheriff before I got back in town the same day.

My sheriff told me to go with the flow if I wanted

to keep my job.
The problem with this is: they lie so much, I for one, distrust all
cops and immediately think they are lying to me in ANY situation.
What good is it to truly be a "good cop" when the public dislikes
and distrusts you, because you are professional liers?
The days of "officer friendly" are over.
The man I respected most in my life behind my Father, Grandfather
and Brothers, was my best friend's father. He retired as a Security
officer in the AirForce, became a Constable and then later retired
from the Sheriff's Department. Even people he arrested respected
him because he was an honest man and treated EVERYONE with
respect. He was a devout Christian and his faith would not allow
him to lie for any reason. He was never an apoligist for bad cops
and believed they should be treated more harshly because they
destroyed the public's faith in Police.
01-23-2008 10:13 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by Big Ed
The man I respected most in my life behind

my Father, Grandfather and Brothers, was my
best friend's father. He retired as a Security
officer in the AirForce, became a Constable
and then later retired from the Sheriff's
Department. Even people he arrested
respected him because he was an honest man
and treated EVERYONE with respect. He was a
devout Christian and his faith would not allow
Posts: 5865 him to lie for any reason. He was never an
apoligist for bad cops and believed they
should be treated more harshly because they
destroyed the public's faith in Police.
While this is the kind of cop this country DESPERATELY needs to

restore the people's faith in law enforcement (and to render
websites such as CopWatch unnecessary), such a person would
NEVER survive in today's environment. Anyone showing as

much integrity and respect for his oath of office as your friend's
father would be ostracized and persecuted by his peers,
harassed mercilessly by his superiors, and ultimately drummed
off the force or out of office. If he got too close to taking
meaningful action against the moral rot and corruption in his
midst, he'd be destroyed by a contrived scandal/frame-up, or
probably be murdered.
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01-24-2008 12:22 PM
MGMAN Police lie because they are human. The problem is when someone
Senior Member in a position of trust tells a lie, that lie in most cases causes harm
to another. I once was told that there is 2 ways to lie, you can lie
by adding facts AND you can lie by NOT adding facts. I was reading
some of the archived articles about the Duke Rape case the other
day. Michael Nifong Lied when he had the DNA report made by that
lab to LEAVE OUT facts. Cops lie in some cases when they don't
inform a motorist they are free to leave, but give the impression
you are being detained. To this day I think a variation of the
Miranda Rights should be required to be told to ANY motorist
informing them that they are free to go when the officer is finished
writing a ticket. The stop should be recorded with a lapel mike on
the officer and CRIMINAL sanctions against both the officer and
their supervisor IF tape comes up MISSING later. Another thing I
Georgia think is needed is ALL state Attorney general interpretations of the
Posts: 1129 law that are used to train officers should be MADE PUBLIC
knowledge AND a printed copy made available to anyone that may
ask. There needs to be checks and balances in this system that
levels the playing field. ALL law enforcement officers also need to
know that when they lie on official business they are committing
perjury which is a felony. The courts need to STOP taking a cops
word and demand PROOF.

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I want to address this issue of “honest cops”. I hate to do a Bill Clinton
but I think this word “honest” is how YOU define it. This is how I
define it. An honest cop enforces ALL laws without regard to how this
will affect his/her brother/sister officers. An honest cop will NOT look
the other way when they see another cop violating the civil rights of
the public. An honest cop WILL NOT conspire with other officers to
hide misconduct. There is NO middle ground here; it’s like being a
little bit pregnant, not happening. Either a cop will obey all laws and
protect the public or they will NOT. So all you so called “honest“ cops
who want to come on these boards and make excuses for this, what
say you? I say with “honest” as I define it, well there are damn few
Location: Peoples Rebublik of “honest” cops.
Georgia
Posts: 1129 One of my hero's is Frank Serpico. He REFUSED to play the payoff
game in the NYPD and was SHOT because of it. Here is what was said
about him.

"The first police officer not only in the history of the New York Police
Department, but in the history of any police department in the whole
United States, to step forward to report and subsequently testify
openly about widespread, systematic cop corruption-payoffs
amounting to millions of dollars."
Let me tell you, the average cop is not worthy to tie this mans shoe
laces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico
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Militamus sub spe.
01-28-2008 04:18 PM
Cybertoad I think each time i read that a cop has posted, I just sit and wonder
Senior Member how pathetic is our LE today.
Lets take away the lies and abuse away and I think we are stuck with
ppl whom don't know which end to put bread in a toaster.
I mean come of people, if you have to ask why people do not trust the
police. Just watch..... it so rapid that I can not walk out my door in
this small town and not see abuses.
Location: Cops Taste Just Like I watched just the other day, a cop slamm on his breaks bangs U in
Chicken the middle of the stree then slides across 4 lanes of traffic why brakes
Posts: 127
screached all over so he could go follow someone. No lights no siren. I
watched for over a block and no light or anything. He almost killed all
of us so he could follow someone.
Or the other day a cop goes from the left turn lane turn across my
lane making me slamm on my breaks all so he could pull in parking lot
to see he cop buds.

Now I just named some silly small things, but if they are willing to be
careless over small stuff, come on ppl the big stuff is out there too.
Pathetic , LE's
Makes me sick.
Cybertoad
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01-28-2008 04:33 PM
MGMAN I would like to state something I have observed. I think that it’s
Senior Member possible for an honest person to be a Cop. However because of the
current culture of the law Enforcement community this person will
either have to hold onto his scruples and leave OR become corrupted
in the system. The main problem I see is it’s the CULTURE of Law
Enforcement that’s the problem, not the individual. With this post I
will NOT discuss honesty in Law Enforcement with any self admitted
LEO, because right now Honest Cop is an Oxymoron.
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01-31-2008 01:42 PM
Darryl I was camping last sept in Iowa, and had a talk with a man about law
Senior Member enforcement, who when I said there must still be honest cops left, got
quite upset and told me "any honest cop has got out".
Registered: Jul 2003 I found out later he was a cop for 25 years and now was having
Location: prolbems, for trying to expose corrupition.
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I spent 2 hours tonight with a victim of civil asset forfeiture, aka also
known as stealing. He got caught with a joint and some crack, at least
that is what he claims.
He as many victims worked and paid for their assets with money
earned.
So why should law enforcement not have to prove anything they seize
was bought with drug money, After all they are the studs.
Why would it be so hard to prove someboody did or did not work?
Why?
I tell you why. Because law enforcemnt is a pack of thieves, they
know much of what they steal was paid for legit, and they are just
busting addicts.
Why would you waste your time with small time asset forfeiture, when
drugs are everwheres and of course money?
Why do you think coppers? Do you think maybe the big boys are
protected?
How many people are capable of moving millions of dollars of drugs?

Why waste your time on anything small.
I find it hard to believe any cop unless (maybe) a rookie or a complete

mental case could not know this.
www.fear.org is fighting the thiefs.
02-08-2008 04:31 AM

TheJackel That is a great website www.fear.org

DOUGHNUT MAKER - cream
with that sir? The war on drugs is a sham! Poppa Bush imported more cocaine than
his sons graduating class at Yale could not move in a years time -
Registered: Sep 2007 Barry Seals ring a bell?
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Mena Arkansas or mena train deaths or Barry Seals or Mena
Airport + Air America
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“To win without fighting is best.”
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02-08-2008 06:47 AM
duncan "If lying is a bad act and anyone who commits a single bad act is a
Moderator bad person then almost all people are bad. I think some group of
people will always be in power leaving us with some form of bad
Registered: Jul 2003 authority. What’s your opinion?"
Posts: 9006 Depends on why the lie was comitted in the first place. If I lie to the
IRS to prevent the theft of my money then who is being harmed here?
No one and you can't harm a government entity which is stealing
private property. If a copscum lies to cover his a$$ then in all
likelyhood he harmed an innocent person by sending them to jail.
“The fact is the prosection and the cops work together. This is always
the case and will always be the case.”
Do you support this? If not, is the prosecution in your sites along with
the cops?
I stated a fact and not a supporting position. Yes all DA's lie along with
the copscum to prosecute innocent people. This is a fact and not my
opinion.
”I'm like the Jews who tracked Eichmann down and later exucted him,
they are to be held accountable for their actions and no excuses such
as ‘We are only following orders.’”
"That seems like a great solution after the system is gone. Do you
have a plan to take the system down though? I’m not saying that

going after the equivalent of a cop’s training camp is the only course
of action but do you think it is not worth paying any attention to?"
I only have a plan which works for me. I have no idea what works for
you and I won't press my mehtods onto others. I have no idea if my
plan will take down an entire system. I'm not that arrogant. My goal is
simple, which would be to get the state off my back and out of my
wallet. I have much sucess with my goal. I'm still alive and I have
gotten the state out of my wallet.
What is your plan? I don't see one. Why is it that you have fialed to
tell of your plan herr Brush?
“Following bad and illegal orders = Bad Cop and even Eichmannn
found this out the hard way.”
Fair enough. Bad and illegal orders being given = bad system.
“The same way Eichmann was bad for following the order to murder
Jews. Following orders which violate the law aka the Bill of Rights
makes all copscum bad.”
You would agree that the entire hierarchy is bad though, correct? Not
just the cops?
Define hierarchy?
“If a so-called good job was all that good then why do they turn a
blind eye to the bad copsters? If you sit and watch a rape in progress
and do nothing to stop it this makes you what exactley? “
"The defense that a cop is not helping could be a rapist. Would helping
a rapist make a person better than not helping a rape victim?"
This not what I posted. Learn to read herr Brush. I'll tell ya what if I
should happen to be walking down the road and see your wife being
raped then I'll just keep on walking and do nothing. How would that
be? Dail 911? By the time the copsters show up the rape will be over
and the rapist long gone. With this in mind then pray tell what the
f8ck good are the cops?
”There is no need for whistle blowers if there nothing that exist to

blow a whistle on. No power means no corruption. Rid oursleves of
copsters and the police state which exist all around us and we rid
oursleves of the problem.”
"But at the moment we have cops and we have things that whistles
could be blown on. Do you think it would be better for a cop working
on the inside against his fellow cops to blow the whistle once or to
continue working as a cop and shed light on the other cops covertly?"
That's not a solution to the problem. It didn't work for Serpico and
inspite of these so-called whistle blowers we still have police
corruption and as long as people placed in postions of power we shall
always have corruption. The only solution is to rid society of cops and
do to anything esle would be a total waste of time.

”Copscum assume that their victims are guilty and they see the
general public as being guilty of something. The Bill of Rights protect
us form the copscum being judge, jury and executioner. “
Therefore cops’ viewing us as guilty is not a conviction.
Jialing them is without first having a trail is a conviction without due

process.
“Innocent until proven guilty means that you would not go to jail until
after a jury and or judge had found you guilty, yet the cops love to fill
those jail cells.”
Please cite where the law states that people must be convicted before
being jailed. Also, have you been filing any suits against the various
police departments across the country? It seems like you would have
a very solid case if what you say is indeed correct.
Read the Bill of Rights it's that little thing at the front of the
constitution. Are you always this f8cking stupid?
“If a copster turns a blind eye to the crimes of another cop how is this
a slippery slope? It isn't it is another crime. “
I had the word “unknowingly” in my statement. I agree, if he turns a

blind eye, he would be a bad cop.
I didn't use the word unknowingly only you did just now. I wasn't
refering to unknowingly.
”Elimnate copscum and the police state and the problem will no longer
exist. “
"I think we would be replacing one problem with another. If nobody

has control, someone will take it. Do you know someone that isn’t
going to lie?"
How so? Show us. How would the problem get worse? How could it get
any worse than it already is? You don't appear to have a logical mind
which begs the question why did you lie about being a EE? My father
was an ME and I was an electrician. I used and still od logic to solve
problems. If we abolish copscum then what do think will happen and
why?
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02-08-2008 08:53 PM
Cybertoad Hi Guys,
Senior Member Interesting discussion you are having.
Devils Advocate here for a moment.
1. We wont eliminate the police force but what if we did, what would
we replace it with?
2. On the question of bail, how much prove needs to be presented to

Registered: Nov 2007 hold you. And how can Bail be denied ?
Location: Cops Taste Just Like That one gets me, makes no sense to deny bail on a non-guilty
Chicken person?
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3. Why is it that police can use deadly force to protect themselves. But
if I do it, I have a trial if a cop does it hes on paid leave pending
investigation?
NOTE: on 3, I was watching a real cop reality thing last night, the cop
was in a situation, a man with narcotics in his trunk., The guy ran
jump in his car and took off. The cop standing near the door of his car
opened fire. How was the cop at risk the man was fleeing and
unarmed and moving away from the police
and was shot not after getting in the car but when driving away.
I then minutes later saw the saw exact incident, but the cop didnt
shoot ran to his car and was in pursuit?
Why in the exact situation did two cops do different things ??
Thanks
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02-09-2008 02:37 PM
MGMAN I think the best way to think about this issue about society needing
Senior Member law enforcement is to think about it as a math question. Society does
need enforcement officers I really don't think this is something many
will debate. So what we do is add up all the pluses of law
Enforcement, then Add up all the minuses of law enforcement. Right
now the opinion of most of the membership here is the minuses
outweigh the pluses. When Police officers use their pluses to defend
their existence and ignore all the minuses thats when problems start.
Let me give you an example of a minus. Early last month I was driving
my mothers car, I got stopped by a Toccoa Georgia Police officer
because she had not registered her car. Her birthday was on the 26th
of Dec and she simply overlooked this. because Toccoa is so broke and
needs money this officer wrote me a $71.50 ticket. What makes this
so troubling is Toccoa Police Officers park illegally in Fire lanes all the
Georgia time in town. Why do I deserve a ticket for driving a vehicle with
Posts: 1129 expired registration ( a simple oversight that had NOTHING to do with
safety) when these officers violate the law every day? The primary
reason I got that ticket is because when that idiot officer asked me
where I worked I told him that was personel and not any of his
business. See when a Police officer can abuse the public like this,
THATS A BIG MINUS and makes people think we would be better off
without them.
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02-09-2008 05:00 PM
Darryl quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by TheJackel
Registered: Jul 2003 That is a great website www.fear.org
Location:
Posts: 755 The war on drugs is a sham! Poppa Bush imported
more cocaine than his sons graduating class at Yale
could not move in a years time - Barry Seals ring a
bell?
If not Google:
Mena Arkansas or mena train deaths or Barry Seals
or Mena Airport + Air America
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Look into any one of them, they will lead you to more and more.
You might want to read "Dark Alliance" by Gary Webb.
How about this nationwide theft ring they are running? Civil asset
forfeiture??
Where is the outcry about this? This involves law enforcement at the
street level, who I suspect is the bulk of them who post on this site.
Why would the leaders of law enforcement not respond to stuff like this
here or anywheres?
Once you look into the workings of this theft you will find it is all rigged
to the law enforcement advantage.
It is so sick and it goes on in ever city in america and many across the
world.
I do not expect it to end, it will get worse and worse.
If you own something, worked, paid taxes, etc, etc. Make no mistake
the thieves are looking.
02-15-2008 01:02 AM

MGMAN Why do Cops lie? Gosh this is a simple question to answer. They lie
Senior Member because they can! They know society will not hold them accountable
because they wear a badge. I said this in a earlier post, they are in
positions of Trust and in a his word against their word they WILL
AWAYS be believed because of it. It takes photographic evidence to
overcome this, and thats why the Police unions and the Police Higher
Ups attack the video's like they do. Don't you find it odd that when the
video supports them that the video don't lie and it should be believed,
but if it don't, well the video don't tell the whole story?
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02-22-2008 07:45 PM
GC Marciano quote:
They lie because they can! They know society
will not hold them accountable because they
wear a badge.
Well said.
Location: Chicago, Illinois We at Copwatch are doing our part in changing that.
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02-22-2008 07:57 PM
MGMAN quote:
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Well said.
We at Copwatch are doing our part in changing that.
Would you get offended if I said I disagreed with you? I don't think we
here at copwatch can change this. Actually I think that the Officers
themselves are changing it. It seems that at least 1 time a week I see
Registered: Jan 2008 a story of a bad Cop on TV. Society is getting tired of this. What we
Location: Peoples Rebublik of here at Copwatch are doing is Just documenting this.
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GC Marciano I would never be offended by a disagreement.

However, Copwatch members have been directly responsible for
holding wayward cops accountable for their actions.
I agree that we alone cannot completely change it, but we can

certainly do our part in making a small difference.
Look at Copwatch member "Maxima" and his recent ordeal. He

forced accountability upon a scumbag MO cop and the officer is
Registered: Jul 2003 now unemployed and facing a federal lawsuit.
Posts: 9967 Duncan forced accountability upon some douchebag Colorado
swine to the tune of $20,000.00.
I have put at least two IL police officers in the unemployment line

by making sure they were held accountable for their actions.
It happens - as long as we do our part, as small as our part may

be.
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MGMAN Its interesting you brought up Maxima and his situation. I was
Senior Member thinking about both he and the teen in Baltimore today. I will be 50 in
April and when watching both Video's I was thinking about being a
parent and watching them. Its sad to think that you teach your
children to respect Authority and have something like this happen.
Both of those men need anger management training. I know how
Teens and 20something's can be, I was once one. But being a Cop you
can't GO OFF like this. Both of those Cops would have been more
effective if they had calmly explained their positions to them, and just
left. Screaming and acting the fool does nothing but cause the public
to hate both Cops and Authority. Please understand I am not saying
Maxima or the teen in the Video were wrong, by what I have seen
they are not, but older adults sometime have a condescending
attitude toward teens and 20somethings, and when you give an adult

Georgia like this a badge its like lighting a fuse. I once had a Teen to try me,
Posts: 1129 man I wanted to kick his butt, But I knew that if I let him make me
act like this then he has won. I just explained to the teen that if he
wanted to keep his job he should be a little more respectful of people.
After a few mins we were chatting about a nice looking skirt that
walked by and was laughing. Cops like those is those Videos should
try to act their age, not their shoe size.
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dajoki I hope this is the right place...

Member
for this and that it gets noticed. I posted what happened to me in the
"Welcome Forum" so I will not go into too much detail. I was set up
because they were after a family member by having a drug dealer
Registered: May 2008 throw pills into my car. I looked to see what it was and there were
Location: PA THREE pills. They charged me with having 25 and intent to deliver,
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they also said that I gave the dealer $1100 earlier in the day and they
also said that I made this deal on my cellphone, but I don't even have
one.
None of this stuff happened this way. My question is, are the cops just
plain lying or are they taking the word of the dealer who happened to
get arrested earlier that same day, or are they telling the dealer what
to say? How can THREE pills turn into 25? Where is this money that
they said I gave him? And I never even spoke to him, so how can they
get away with this?
My lawyer said that this kind of stuff happens a lot and they use
family members against each other. I guess I just want to know why
they can get away with this and why would they arrest an innocent
person just to get to his family member? I am outraged and it boggles

my mind!!
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tekfetish Re: I hope this is the right place...

Member
Wow man, that situation sucks.

Location: None of my answers are going to help you one bit but, as an accused
Posts: 56
LEO, I might as well offer them up.
are the cops just plain lying or are they taking the word of the
dealer who happened to get arrested earlier that same day
They're plain lying. If a cop was to take the word of a criminal then
they could simply let him go when he claims "I'm not guilty."
or are they telling the dealer what to say?
Well, he probably knows better than to fight them. Maybe they're

turning their heads to something else he did as long as he helps them
out.
How can THREE pills turn into 25?
Cops are given credibility in court. Too bad you didn't have an audio
recorder.
Where is this money that they said I gave him?
I'm sure they could produce $1,100 if they needed to. This cop is
settling a score.
And I never even spoke to him, so how can they get away with
this?
Bad people do bad things and get away with it sometimes. It sucks
that those bad people can be trusted and empowered by the system.
I guess I just want to know why they can get away with this
and why would they arrest an innocent person just to get to his
family member?
In any system there will always be people who manipulate it in order

to do wrong and evil things. That's how. Sucks, eh?
I do have one question for you. You said: We live in a small town of
about 6000 and the cops rule with an iron fist.

Did you realize this before you had very heated words with the cop?
05-17-2008 08:27 PM
dajoki Did you realize this before you had very heated words with the
Member cop?
Yes I did and it was probably stupid to argue with him, but the way
they treated my daughter was outrageous and got me fired up, but I
didn't think that he would hold such a grudge. Things I found out
Registered: May 2008 about him and looking back, I now realize that he is a bully and he
Location: PA probably feels like I challenged his authority and he wasn't going to let
Posts: 39 me get away with that.
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05-18-2008 01:09 AM
GC Marciano Sorry to hear about your situation, dajoki. It sucks that you had to
Copwatcher Extraordinaire learn how corrupt the LE scumbags are by becoming their victim. I
for one wish you the best, keep us posted as to what happens!
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tekfetish quote:
Member
Yes I did and it was probably stupid to argue with him,
Registered: Jan 2008 but the way they treated my daughter was outrageous
Location: and got me fired up, but I didn't think that he would hold
Posts: 56 such a grudge. Things I found out about him and looking
back, I now realize that he is a bully and he probably feels
like I challenged his authority and he wasn't going to let
me get away with that. [/B]
I can imagine seeing your daughter treated poorly would upset you.
I'm not sure what kind of penalties you're up against but if it's jail
time, maybe it is worth approaching the cop, apologizing to him,
telling him you reacted because of your little girl, not because of him,
that you realize he was in the right, you were in the wrong, and that
he was just doing his job, blah blah blah.
I know it is the last thing you would want to do but sometimes people
in power are quite satisfied by apologizes and acknowledgments that
they were right. I read a book about avoiding speeding tickets and
that was the overall message. The attitude hasn't gotten me out of
every potential ticket but I think it has helped with about half of them.
Since he told you he set you up and seems to have such a loud
mouth, at the very least you might be able to get him to incriminate
himself. I'd look into buying one of those MP3 recorders or something
similar:
Good luck man.
-tek
05-18-2008 04:23 AM
duncan Apologize to a copscum? Only a copsucker like you would think of such
Moderator a thing.
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Big Ed quote:
Member
Registered: Oct 2007 I read a book about avoiding speeding tickets and
Location: USA that was the overall message. The attitude hasn't
Posts: 70 gotten me out of every potential ticket but I think
it has helped with about half of them.
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Good luck man.
-tek

I don't care to get into a long winded debate with you, but you're
giving out some bad information.
NEVER...NEVER and let me repeat, NEVER help a cop convict you.
NEVER have a conversation with a traffic cop.
NEVER fight a traffic ticket on the side of the road. Fight it in court.
NEVER tell a cop, "I'll see you in court, I have such and such
evidence I intend to use" you're only giving him reason to show up
in court and what lies to use against you.
NEVER apologise to a cop for breaking the law. If you do, you just
lost your case.
NEVER say more to a cop than yes or no and only when you have
to. Forget the ass kissing "yes sir" or "no sir" sheit. It won't help, it
only boosts his ego.
No matter what these proven liar cops say, you will never talk your
way out of a ticket unless you're another cop. He made up his mind
when he stopped you whether or not you were getting a ticket.
No matter what the proven liar cops say, there are ticket quotas.
Period, this is how they get promoted, better duty etc...by how
many traffic tickets they write. Not only how many they write, but
how many stick. If they keep losing to citizens in traffic court, it
makes them look pretty incompetent. That's why it's SO VERY
important to fight EVERY TICKET!
I havn't lost one in 15 years and it feels f'king great! Honestly,
every ticket I have gotten in the last 15 years was BS anyway, so it
felt great to win.
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05-18-2008 10:30 PM

MGMAN "NEVER say more to a cop than yes or no and only when you have
Senior Member to."
On the side of the road you are required to give a cop 3 things!
1. your drivers license
2. Proof of insurance
3. registration
THATS ALL!! You do not (and should not) say anything, just give
the cop those 3 things.
Location: Peoples Rebublik of __________________
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05-18-2008 10:39 PM
GC Marciano Big Ed and MGMAN -

Excellent advice, and something that needs to be stressed to
every man, woman and child.
NEVER talk to a cop for ANY reason. Don't gamble with the devil.
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tekfetish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2008 NEVER have a conversation with a traffic cop.

Location:
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I guess you, GC505, and MGMAN don't approve of Maxima's

actions, eh?
quote:
NEVER apologise to a cop for breaking the law. If you

do, you just lost your case.
Just to be clear dajoki, I was referring to getting in his face in the

first place, not for the crime he set you up for. Even then, any
audio you record might not be admissible in court but the media
sure would have a field day with it.
-tek
05-19-2008 12:21 AM

MGMAN Tek you are one of the biggest jackasses that visits this forum, if
Senior Member you want to twist my words go ahead. I have no problem with what
maxima did, thats his business not mine OR YOURS!!
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05-19-2008 12:31 AM
GC Marciano quote:
I guess you, GC505, and MGMAN don't
approve of Maxima's actions, eh?
Maxima is a law student. His intelligence level far exceeds that

of the worthless scumbag that confronted him.
Location: Chicago, Illinois He took a risk, but he was fully prepared for what could (and
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did) transpire.
Most people aren't as prepared as Maxima is, therefore many

fall victim to the swine they talk to. Therefore, the best advice
is - Don't ever talk to a cop.
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05-19-2008 12:32 AM
tekfetish quote:
Member
Registered: Jan 2008 Maxima is in a law student. His intelligence level
Location: far exceeds that of the worthless scumbag that
Posts: 56 confronted him.
He took a risk, but he was fully prepared for what

could (and did) transpire.
Most people aren't as prepared as Maxima is,

therefore many fall victim to the swine they talk
to.
Ahh, so the intelligence of most people only exceeds that of the

police by a little bit?
05-19-2008 12:33 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Ahh, so the intelligence of most people only
exceeds that of the police by a little bit?
Certainly. Most citizens are brainwashed sheeple who foolishly

and blindly believe the propaganda about how "the police are
Registered: Jul 2003 the good guys". That's why so many fall victim to the copscum.
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I did, I sure wish somebody had taught me to NEVER talk to the
swine before I fell victim to them.

Therefore it is up to us to inform the people of the disgusting

realities of the nations largest organized crime syndicate known
as Law Enforcement.
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05-19-2008 12:40 AM
MGMAN GC505 I think tek has a problem with maxima, otherwise he would
Senior Member NEVER have brought him into this. maxima does not need me or
GC505 to defend him tek, and I will not try. But be advised you are
paving a highway best left alone.
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05-19-2008 01:13 AM
GC Marciano Reading through Tekfetish's posts you will notice that he

Copwatcher Extraordinaire appears to have a problem with everything and everybody - and
if there isn't a pre-existing problem he does everything possible
to instigate or create one.
I'm not sure if this should be attributed to unaddressed anger

issues, insecurity, an inferiority complex, common mental
instability or a combination of the above.
Oh well, kids will be kids. He isn't the first one of his kind to
Registered: Jul 2003 drop in on the forums and I'm certain he won't be the last.
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tekfetish MGMAN, Hey, GC505 explained how your words only applied to the
Member average layperson and not the incredibly intelligent.
Registered: Jan 2008 And GC505, yeah, it's probably a combination of those and other
Location: things. Glad to see you're okay with the existence of people who
Posts: 56 challenge your ideas. If you ever replace the police I'll feel
comfortable knowing you won't be abusing your power. I have to
say though, if you appoint Duncan to power I'm going to be a bit
nervous.
You are right, I do seem to have a problem with most of the

attitudes around here. I see a lot of absolutes, generalizations,
insults, and accusations flying around amidst a deadly serious
issue. To me it seems like a lot of people here aren't taking it
seriously; it looks more like children BSing with each other than
adults organizing against a huge problem with our government.
I can understand people giving me a hard time, I'm long winded

and play devil's advocate all the time.
BUT, there's another recent thread in this forum where a guy is

claiming to be a cop and he's being accused of lying about it. As
soon as he starts saying things that the forum doesn't want to
believe a cop could say, people start accusing him of not being a
cop. I know it's not the WHOLE forum but it's just like the police-
the bad ones stand out and when the others sit back and do
nothing, well, they all start to look the same.
This guy who is being screwed over by the cops needs attention. If
you guys think him giving the cop a BS apology for getting in his
face while hoping to record the cop saying something incriminating
is a bad idea, fair enough.
I'll stop responding here so you guys can focus on figuring out how
to get him out of his situation. Without you guys he might end up in
jail. I think you all should get together, drive out to his place, and
figure out some way to take care of this crap but eh whatever you
do good luck with it.
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05-19-2008 02:45 AM
GC Marciano quote:
If you guys think him giving the cop a BS
apology for getting in his face while hoping to
record the cop saying something incriminating
is a bad idea, fair enough.
Registered: Jul 2003 I only see one person who expressed his opinion of this being a
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bad idea... I think this hardly qualifies as "you guys".
I personally have no problems with somebody giving a cop a

bullshit apology in an effort to obtain or keep his freedom -
especially if the contact is being recorded and scrutinized.
I've done it. So did Maxima... listen to his tape. He repeatedly

"apologized" in an effort to defuse the copthug's temper and
protect himself, all the while recording every second of the
interaction.
The recording later led to the firing of the officer and a federal
lawsuit against the officer and the department.
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05-19-2008 08:59 AM
dajoki I'm new here...

Member
and am going to stay out of any disagreements you may have with
each other.(maybe when I'm here a little longer I will give an
opinion) But as for now, I am extremely happy that I found
Registered: May 2008 "Copwatch". The support and advice is outstanding, you guys have
Location: PA made me feel welcome and made me realize that I'm not alone in
Posts: 39
this, that is priceless!!
I wish to become a valued member here, get my situation resolved

favorably, and hope to be able to help others as you are helping
me. In the meantime, I am taking everything in and, with your
help, I will be able to make informed decisions about my case. So I
am asking you all to keep your comments and opinions coming, I
appreciate them tremendously!! Thank you!!
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05-19-2008 12:15 PM

duncan Why are you people arguing with this troll titfish?
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05-19-2008 10:54 PM
waterinthefuel I caught this thread at the end, can someone show me what
Junior Member happened with Maxima? I read about people saying he's going to
jail or whatnot and there is a recording, but I don't know where it is.
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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by waterinthefuel
I caught this thread at the end, can someone
show me what happened with Maxima? I read
about people saying he's going to jail or
whatnot and there is a recording, but I don't
know where it is.

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05-20-2008 05:00 PM
Night Raven Any question about human nature is sure to result in a wrong
Senior Member answer by somebody.
Here goes:
Some people are hopeless pathological liars, no matter what the

occupation. Never a good thing of course, but especially bad if the
rugger is a used car salesman or a cop.
Cops lie in an effort to create and enhance the appearance that

Location: they are intelligent, perhaps even wise in their own minds. It's
Posts: 4804 human nature to create and embellish a story that makes you
appear clever and smart and able, thus implying that those lesser
characters in your tale are not nearly as intelligent and capable as
you are. It would seem to follow that especially individuals who are
insecure would want others to like them for their apparent smarts
and ability.
Cops lie because of the nature of the "criminal justice" industry.

Cops, as vital participants in these industry, definitely have their
own interests in mind--as would be the case with workers in most
other industries. Cops lie to suspects in order to coerce them into
confessing to criminal activity because it makes the task of charging
someone with a crime easier--even if there was no crime
committed.
Further, once cops charge a person with a crime, that individual

becomes a source of revenue for the entire legal system and its
processes. There are bail costs. There are legal costs for lawyers'
fees. There may be court costs. There may be fines. There may be
blood / DNA tests, etc., at the suspect's own expense. There may
be vehicle towing and storage costs. There may be medical costs.
There may be costs for being sent to institutions and other facilities.
The list goes on and on--and for year after year in some cases. In
short, the person accused of criminal activity is the one who pays,
whether he is actually guilty of wrongdoing or not--and pays

directly in the case of fines, etc., and also indirectly as a taxpayer.

In fact the person accused of criminal activity is the only loser in
the "criminal justice" industry, and all the persons or institutions
who deal with him are the ones in the winning positions to make
money. It behooves a cop to make as many arrests as possible,
even if he lies like an insurance salesman, for then he gains
indebtedness from all the other participants--perhaps even a
promotion in rank or salary from his own superiors.
In my mind, it pretty much boils down to egotism and greed.
07-21-2008 03:43 PM
GC Marciano Excellent post, Night Raven! Well said.

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ZoeJane Another question for good cops

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If someone that was beaten beyond recognition were to get

Registered: Jun 2007 arrested the following day, why would the police put down on their
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GC Marciano Maybe because cops are trained to lie?

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Maybe because cops are trained to lie?
...and to cover up their crimes, no matter how obviously

pathetic the attempt.
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Originally posted by ZoeJane
Posts: 1818
If someone that was beaten beyond recognition
were to get arrested the following day, why
would the police put down on their report that the
person had no visible injuries?
If the person was arrested, I assume they were photographed as

well. I think the picture would show injuries if they had any.
06-15-2007 06:57 AM
ZoeJane Re: Re: Another question for good cops

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Originally posted by Matt1
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If the person was arrested, I assume they were
photographed as well. I think the picture would
show injuries if they had any.
You're absolutely right. Plus, the pictures taken after the assault
were marked as State Exhibits in Superior Court which led to the
conviction of this person.
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06-15-2007 08:34 AM

duncan If the person was arrested, I assume they were

Moderator photographed as well. I think the picture would show
injuries if they had any.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Not unless the copscum had beaten their victim below the neck.
Posts: 9006 Keep in mind copscum aren't the sharpest tacs in our community.
See a doctor right away and take your own pictures. Incriminating
mug shots can get lost by the very people who beat up their perps.
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06-15-2007 05:28 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 Not unless the copscum had beaten their victim
Location: below the neck. Keep in mind copscum aren't the
Posts: 1818 sharpest tacs in our community.
She/he said the person was beaten beyond recognition. I would

think that means he had injuries to the face.
Also, for somebody who claims to be so smart, why did you spell
'tacks' wrong?

06-16-2007 01:45 AM
mr.b Good to hear from the MUTT1 again and his typical swine
Senior Member remarks!!!!!
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06-16-2007 02:19 AM
Matt1 I like to bless you guys with my great looks and superior knowledge
Senior Member from time to time.
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liberranter quote:
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I like to bless you guys with my great looks

and superior knowledge from time to time.
Making a periodic comeback, like a bad case of shingles.

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06-16-2007 02:25 PM
duncan If the person was arrested, I assume they were

Moderator photographed as well. I think the picture would show
injuries if they had any.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Unless the person is beaten below the neck line. I'm merely
Posts: 9006 responding to your post and your post alone. And of course we
have the corrupt practice of cops intentionally losing incriminating
evidence.
Keep it up p8g and you will soon be gone or in the PEN.
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Registered: Jul 2003 Post your photo so we can be blessed by it.

Posts: 9967 You wont, 'cuz you're a coward.
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duncan Just kick his nazi a$$ out of here.

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06-17-2007 09:43 PM
Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 And I'm certain we love to be blessed with your
Location: great looks.
Posts: 1818
Post your photo so we can be blessed by it.
You wont, 'cuz you're a coward.
Why did you delete my response? Was it too clever for you to think
of a rebuttal? Dang, I leave for weeks at a time to allow you guys
to catch up to my game and you still resort to changing or deleting
my posts.
07-06-2007 11:26 PM
Mack I may have deleted your response because it was gratuitously

Assistant Moderator offensive toward a respected Copwatcher and violated the FAQ. I
don't recall editing your posts ever.
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07-06-2007 11:41 PM
Matt1 I assure you it was not offensive and was 100% factual. Al and
Senior Member others constantly change my posts or outright delete them because
they can't take me on in any other way.
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07-06-2007 11:59 PM
kola matty,
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tell it to da judge!!
Location: as fer now..bend over on that there log and squeal like a *** fer
Posts: 144 me..
Squeal!!!
Kola
07-07-2007 12:18 AM
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posts.
Still claiming that, huh?
Registered: Jul 2003 Every time you see what a fool you have made of yourself you
Location: Chicago, Illinois make that claim.
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Now please bless us with that photo of yourself, coward.
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kola yeah, I like to see this midget cop.

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c'mon..be proud and post a pic.
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Registered: Jul 2003 You're way too much of a coward to "bless us with your looks"
Location: Chicago, Illinois and you're totally incapable of blessing anybody but yourself
Posts: 9967
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liberranter Since Matt's too shy (or cowardly) to do it himself, here's his
Super Moderator picture (he still doesn't have the guts to have one taken in
uniform). He likes to think that the ladies go crazy over this
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GC Marciano There is an entire thread dedicated to Mutt1's family photo

Copwatcher Extraordinaire album:
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Matt1 I don't understand why you guys think "p!g" is so offensive toward
Senior Member police?
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GC Marciano Who said anybody thinks it is offensive?

It's a descriptive term, not an offensive term.
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duncan This p8g offends me please delete his posts and ban him from our
Moderator forum for the last f8cking time.
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07-08-2007 12:53 AM

Point Blank I have a question for Duncan. Duncan, do you hate every single cop
Junior Member in this country or a select few like Matt1?
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07-09-2007 10:34 PM
duncan I have a question for Duncan. Duncan, do you hate every

Moderator single cop in this country or a select few like Matt1?
Registered: Jul 2003 This is the "Ask a cop" thread and not the "Ask the anarchist"
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado section.
Posts: 9006
The proper question for this section of the forum would be "Does
every cop hate copwatch.com and all copwatchers, or does every
cop hate one copwatcher named Duncan?
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anarchist" section.
Duncan, you sure a funny creature. I would love to direct my

question under the "Ask the anarchist". However, it just so happens
that there is not one. And since my question was for you and you
were already posting on this thread, common sense prevailed and I
asked you the question here.
quote:
The proper question for this section of the forum would

be "Does every cop hate copwatch.com and all
copwatchers, or does every cop hate one copwatcher
named Duncan?
Does every cop hate copwatch? No, I do not. Why? Because corrupt
cops need to be exposed. Does every cop hate Duncan? No, I do
not. I do not know you but I have read your posts. We differ in
opinions but everyone is entitled to their own.
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07-10-2007 10:26 PM
duncan And he finally resorts to name calling.

Moderator
Registered: Jul 2003 You can post your questions in my arena, but you didn't because
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you seek some way around it in order to control the thread.
Posts: 9006
"Does every cop hate copwatch? No, I do not. Why? Because
corrupt cops need to be exposed. Does every cop hate Duncan? No,
I do not. I do not know you but I have read your posts. We differ in
opinions but everyone is entitled to their own."
So why askme stupid questions like "Do you hate all cops." The
question is an obvious pile of crap. You don't even know me well

enough to make a call on wether or not you hate me. Which would
indicte to the readers that you are in fact full of crap.
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07-13-2007 10:15 PM
Sylvester I thought this part of the forum was for good cops (Meaning ones
Junior Member who don't see the public as scum) So why are you here Matt? Can't
you read. Or did you think good cop mean't a robot who can't see
Registered: Jul 2007 past his own nose.
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07-15-2007 07:21 PM
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Senior Member
Location:
Posts: 1818 This is the "Ask a cop" thread and not the "Ask
the anarchist" section.
Then why do you feel the need to chime in on every questioned

asked of the police in this section?

07-17-2007 10:55 AM
duncan Because I'm a moderator and if you don't like it then leave our
Moderator forum and build your own.
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07-17-2007 11:22 AM
Matt1 You are not THE moderator. Duncan, you may have the title, but
Senior Member you don't have the power. If they gave you the power to ban
people, there would only be about five members to this site.
Registered: Feb 2004 Everyone who did not agree with you would get banned.
Location:
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07-17-2007 01:23 PM

duncan Matt the thug caught in yet another lie.

Moderator
So when are you going to show us that service to society you
Registered: Jul 2003 pretend to offer society? Can't do it can ya?
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07-17-2007 09:17 PM
schnapper007 quote:
Movin' on (B)
Registered: Apr 2007 Since Matt's too shy (or cowardly) to do it
Location: himself, here's his picture (he still doesn't have
Posts: 39 the guts to have one taken in uniform). He likes
to think that the ladies go crazy over this shot:
I am new to this forum, and i find it amusing to say the least. I

would like to know though, why do you bother having a "Ask a cop"
section if all you seem to do is try and bait them and paste photo's
of ***s into it? Don't you think that is a little childish?
As for you Duncan your comment "This p8g offends me please

delete his posts and ban him from our forum for the last f8cking
time." If you are offended by ***s, then dont read the "ask a cop"
forum, you fool.

12-19-2007 11:44 AM
liberranter Originally posted by schnapper007

Super Moderator
quote:
I am new to this forum, and i find it amusing

to say the least. I would like to know though,
why do you bother having a "Ask a cop"
section if all you seem to do is try and bait
them and paste photo's of ***s into it?

Posts: 5865 No one is "baiting" anyone here. What you describe as "baiting"
is in fact the membership asking the LE members of this forum
what might be considered rather blunt and hard-hitting
questions to which the individual asking would like an honest
answer. On some occasions the LE members answer the
question posed in the honest and straightforward manner
expected and are thanked for their candor and assistance. At
other times they choose to display what to many copwatchers is
the standard-issue arrogance possessed by too many members
of the LE community and respond with sarcasm, hubris, and
even threats. When this happens they "get what they give."
In the case of Matt1 in particular, Matt is a veteran LE member

of this site who has done more than his share to contribute to
reinforcing the negative image of cops that so many of us here
hold from practical experience. Ergo, you're likely to see him on
the receiving end of usually well-deserved abuse when he posts
to the forum.
quote:
Don't you think that is a little childish?
No more so than some of the offensive, in-your-face

propaganda displayed on ocifer.com. What's sauce for the
goose....
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As for you Duncan your comment "This p8g
Registered: Jul 2003 offends me please delete his posts and ban him
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado from our forum for the last f8cking time." If you
Posts: 9006 are offended by ***s, then dont read the "ask a
cop" forum, you fool.
If you don't like the way we do business around here then don't
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12-19-2007 09:37 PM

duncan Bye bye schnapper p8g. Yer hatred was showing and so we had to
Moderator let you go.
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12-20-2007 09:09 PM
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Movin' on (B)
Registered: Apr 2007 Bye bye schnapper p8g. Yer hatred was showing
Location: and so we had to let you go.
Posts: 39
I am still here Duncan :-) I note that your a "moderator of the

arena", very impressive, what exactly is that?
12-23-2007 10:20 AM

duncan Doesn't like you have the ability to post what you want when you
Moderator want.
Registered: Jul 2003 What's that all about?

Posts: 9006 If we want you gone you will be gone. If you don't think that it can't
happen then just keep posting the crap.
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badcopcatcher officer.com
Member
I went to the site. I registered as badcopcatcher. I then attempted

to post a question in one of the forums. I then discover that I have
been banned by them.
Are police so insecure that they can't face the reality that there are
bad cops in society who need to be brought to justice.
Registered: Dec 2006 My respect to this forum, (copwatch) where one can get into a
Location: heated debate and questions are encouraged.
Posts: 75 This forum is trully a public service. So mods and admin...keep up
the excellent work!

12-30-2006 12:49 PM
PoliceExplorer LOL Freakin schooled.

Member
Go officer.com!
Posts: 47
12-30-2006 01:01 PM
badcopcatcher I knew they'd ban me. Just didn't think they'd do it that quickly.
Member

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12-30-2006 01:09 PM
PoliceExplorer I thought I'd have been banned from here long ago.
Member
Dumb ass MODs.
Posts: 47
12-30-2006 01:11 PM
badcopcatcher quote:
Member
Originally posted by PoliceExplorer
I thought I'd have been banned from here long
ago.
Dumb ass MODs.

Location:
Posts: 75 So because they respect freedom of speech they're dumb and
because officer.com censors speech they get applause.
You sure you're not on drugs?

12-30-2006 01:41 PM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006 (Police) Exploring programs are based on five areas of
Location: emphasis: career opportunities, life skills, citizenship,
Posts: 2330 character education, and leadership experience.
*Experience positive social interaction
*Encourage the skill and desire to help others
*Gain a keen respect for the basic rights of others
You're failing on multiple fronts. We look forward to reading about

your arrest for drunk driving or domestic violence in a few years.
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long ago.
Dumb ass MODs.
We enjoy laughing at retarded kids, that's why we let you stick

Registered: Jul 2003 around.
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12-30-2006 05:40 PM
PoliceExplorer As I just metioned in another forum, I am sorry for the outbreaks of

Member rudeness and unprofessionalism.
Registered: Dec 2006 As for the drunk driving and domestic thing, I'm not old enogh to
Location: drink,a nd I don't plan to. After riding with the officers and seeing
Posts: 47 what can happen under the influence, I'd rather not get into it. Plus
I don't like the idea of not being in complete control of my body at
all times.
Domestic? I'm not violent, and I do not pick fights. I've never been
in a fight (excluding arguements) before, and I don't really want to.
But I'm sure as an officer someday, I will have to detain someone.
12-30-2006 06:27 PM
photoman I see you have attempted to remove some of your post - what is up
Senior Member with that... you flame out at people and when they hold your feet to
the fire you run and remove post - what is the problem?
Location: Under your bed... You have shown your true colors and I certainly have no respect for
Posts: 875 anyone that tells someone they will punch them in the face if the
watch your house - I have taken the liberty of contacting via email
the Explorer Organization and pointed out that you should be
removed from the program - it is very clear your are a rouge cop in
the making -
You just did what all cops do when they screw up - try to cover it
up - so I say you are par for the job! What a piece of work you are
– one minute your ready to kick a** and the next you run and hide
and try to remove your post - typical
quote:

As I just metioned in another forum, I am sorry
for the outbreaks of rudeness and
unprofessionalism.
As for the drunk driving and domestic thing, I'm

not old enogh to drink,a nd I don't plan to. After
riding with the officers and seeing what can

happen under the influence, I'd rather not get

into it. Plus I don't like the idea of not being in
complete control of my body at all times.
Domestic? I'm not violent, and I do not pick

fights. I've never been in a fight (excluding
arguements) before, and I don't really want to.
But I'm sure as an officer someday, I will have to
detain someone.
12-30-2006 06:42 PM
PoliceExplorer quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2006 I see you have attempted to remove some of your
Location: post - what is up with that... you flame out at
Posts: 47 people and when they hold your feet to the fire
you run and remove post - what is the problem?
You have shown your true colors and I certainly

have no respect for anyone that tells someone
they will punch them in the face if the watch your
house - I have taken the liberty of contacting via
email the Explorer Organization and pointed out
that you should be removed from the program - it
is very clear your are a rouge cop in the making -
You just did what all cops do when they screw up

- try to cover it up - so I say you are par for the
job! What a piece of work you are – one minute
your ready to kick a** and the next you run and
hide and try to remove your post - typical
Well that is your right to do I guess.
12-30-2006 07:43 PM

photoman Your dear old daddy needs to take a little responsibility as well - all
Senior Member that crap about he tries to set examples for the younger cops and
he don't condone rogue cops?
Registered: Aug 2006 He should spend some extra time with you and get your little butt
Location: Under your bed... lined out before he goes outside his home looking to save the world
Posts: 875
- more times than not that attitude you displayed was learned
behavior and it came from someone - where were you at then Papa?
quote:

Well that is your right to do I guess.
12-30-2006 08:28 PM
PoliceExplorer quote:
Member
Registered: Dec 2006 Your dear old daddy needs to take a little
Location: responsibility as well - all that crap about he tries
Posts: 47 to set examples for the younger cops and he don't
condone rogue cops?
He should spend some extra time with you and
get your little butt lined out before he goes
outside his home looking to save the world - more
times than not that attitude you displayed was
learned behavior and it came from someone -
where were you at then Papa?
I'm sorry but I'm not exactly clear on that last sentence. I'm not
trying to make a sob story but my Dad was adopted and his
adoptive dad died when he was three years old. So I think he's
doing a great job for not having an example to go on.
I am sorry about flaming at first, but I was very angered at the

very thought of this site. My life is Law Enforcement and it kind of
goes against everything I stand for in a way. But I'd reather
understand, than combat now.
12-30-2006 08:32 PM

JmE Photoman,
Senior Member
Although I have not read the posts (deleted I assume) to which you
refer, might I intercede with a plea in favor of PoliceExplorer?
Registered: Aug 2005 As another CopWatch user, considering that although he may have
Location: Directly behind you posted things that are not considered to be indicative of sound
Posts: 861 judgment in an adult, perhaps you would consider 'writing them off'
as youthful indiscretion?
It appears to me that PoliceExplorer is at least trying to get his

bearings, so to speak, and might even gain some useful insight that
he can then observe law enforcement activity first hand through
other's vantage point.
It is a simple request that you consider this plea of intercession and

not report PoliceExplorer until enough time has passed to exhibit a
more complete portrait of his thinking and intentions.
Respectfully submitted with the best of intentions,

JmE
BTW: This was being typed right after PoliceExplorer's posting in

response to you reporting him ("Well that is your right to do I
guess.."). My post was a little late in the thread but it was being
typed without knowlege of the latest couple of posts. However, I
still wish to intercede with the plea.
*** Edited to add: BTW... ***
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12-30-2006 08:35 PM

PoliceExplorer Why thank you. That is what I am trying to do. I could sit on here
Member all day arguing with you guys, but I'd rather learn why you feel
these ways and what causes it. I really don't want to be a hated cop
Registered: Dec 2006 when I grow up. I want to be one of the good kind.
Location:
Posts: 47 And with your guys' complaints, I can tell what not to do and what I
should be aware of.
12-30-2006 08:39 PM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
Why thank you. That is what I am trying to do. I
could sit on here all day arguing with you guys,
Registered: Aug 2005 but I'd rather learn why you feel these ways and
Location: Directly behind you what causes it. I really don't want to be a hated
Posts: 861 cop when I grow up. I want to be one of the
honest and common good kind.
And with your guys' complaints, I can tell what

not to do and what I should be aware of.
'Tis a noble attempt, however, for the most part being in LE for a
number of years tends to 'change' people. I have had family and
friends that changed to something disgusting after a little while in
LE.
I will not pretend to speak for others here, but there is former LE
here and they generally seem to advise that it is better not to get
involved with LE to begin with. If you keep your integrity and
conscience, you are likely to have a very rough go of it and your
career might be short.
It is probably more likely that LE will change you and not the other
way around.
This is the same advice I give my children, young relatives and

friends... it is best to avoid LE employment in any capacity if you
wish to retain your integrity.
This is merely my own personal and unsolicited advice to you.

YMMV.
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12-30-2006 08:51 PM
PoliceExplorer I thank you for the advice, but I've wanted to be an officer since I
Member was 4. I would have to actually know someone that was corrupted
by LE before I would consider not being involved in it.
Location: And not trying to be a smart alike but, I'm not really suprised that
Posts: 47 the LE veterans advise not going into LE when we are on a site
that's kind of bashing LE.
12-30-2006 08:57 PM
JmE quote:
Senior Member
I thank you for the advice, but I've wanted to be
an officer since I was 4. I would have to actually
Registered: Aug 2005 know someone that was corrupted by LE before I
Location: Directly behind you would consider not being involved in it.
Posts: 861
And not trying to be a smart alike but, I'm not
really suprised that the LE veterans advise not
going into LE when we are on a site that's kind of
bashing LE.
We all must walk our own path and make our own choices. Free
will.. I would not want it any other way. I am glad you make your
own choices. Remember, it was only my own personal and
unsolicited advice. I am truly glad that you posted your reply with
such honesty and determination.
I do so very much hope that you retain integrity and if so, that your
career be long and rewarding.

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12-30-2006 09:07 PM
PoliceExplorer I thank you once again. I guess we're not so different after all. I
Member went from flamer that made dumb and rude comments, to an
actual member having an intellegent discussion, all over a two day
Registered: Dec 2006 span.
Location:
Posts: 47 I also feel that my view of LE is more matured now, than just what
you see on COPS and read in books. Which I owe to this site, the
site I once reguarded as my least favorite site ever. I guess I'm a
little prejuduce, but I've learned my lesson. I'm glad to have
learned it now, instead of learning the hard way on the field.
12-30-2006 09:18 PM
Deputization I figured I'd make one of my rare chiming ins... It's nice to see a
Junior Member thread that has, for the best part, remained civil. PE, it seems
you're finding out what this site is better served for, rather than
Registered: Dec 2004 coming in everyday and bickering back and forth, using it to learn
Location: will help you in your career to come.
Posts: 16
I remember when I was first interested in Law Enforcement, I was
billy badass, but after reading some of the content on this site, I
am able to see the complaints and qualms people have with some
law enforcement officers and I have been able to change a lot.
While I dont agree with all the points made here, I can respect the
opinion, just as Im sure the people here dont agree with all my
ideas (whether they choose to respect it or not).
Good luck in your career Explorer. Remember to fight the good fight.

12-30-2006 10:07 PM
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And with your guys' complaints, I can tell
what not to do and what I should be aware of.
It's quite simple really... respect others and you will be

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Have any police officers visiting this forum ever taken part in Psy
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ATFOTRAF With all due respect, I am wondering who here would give a rats
Member ass if they did?
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Originally posted by ATFOTRAF
With all due respect, I am wondering who

here would give a rats ass if they did?
ATFOTRAF
Registered: Jun 2005 Well, I'd be curious to see what cops typically do when
conducting psyops. I'd also be curious to hear "war stories" of
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09-26-2007 08:43 PM
AVENGER They illegally tap your phone after illegally raiding you and finding
Senior Member nothing. They make sure that you know that your phone is tapped
by repeatedly picking up the line. They drive illegally loud trucks
with no mufflers past your house, then they stop right in front of
your house and rev the engine. They smile and act innocent, unlike
the reaction of any normal person, when you go out there and tell
them that they cannot do that in this highly populated area. They
keep smiling when you tell them that you are under surveillance by
ignorant, criminal scumbags. They show up at the bar where you're
Registered: Feb 2007 hanging out and act innocent until you loudly "out" them as Narcs
Location: This is hell. to everyone in attendance, right in front of them. Then they leave
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in a hurry. They show up every time you go out to eat and sit
within earshot, staring at you with a smile. In essence, they make
their constant presence known to you in no uncertain terms after
telling you to your face that they will be watching. They do this
despite the fact that they found nothing because there was never
anything to be found, instead of apologizing to you for their idiotic
mistakes. Just my personal experience.
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suspectzero Have you video recorded any of the perps and their actions?
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AVENGER If you're asking me, no. This all happened several years ago and in
Senior Member another area. Thankfully, I no longer live anywhere near where this
occurred. If it were going on now, I wouldn't even be here. There is
no way that I could maintain any semblance of sanity under their
juvenile terror tactics for very long. What they're too stupid to
realize is that when they push people, some of us would rather
"out" them publicly and will go even further than that, if nothing
else but because we have no other option. I wasn't very concerned
about their bullsh*t at the time because, like they say, I didn't have
Registered: Feb 2007 anything to hide in the first place. I did, however, retain an
Location: This is hell. attorney and attempt to obtain their files. What a joke. They
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refused to release any information once served with the FOIA
papers, based on the "ongoing investigation" lie, which allows them
to basically laugh at the FOIA. We also went to see the judge who
signed the bogus warrant, who never even looked up from her
desk, and to the state Bureau of Investigation. The agent we talked
to took one look at the warrant and rolled his eyes, saying, "Oh,
THEM. They are widely known to be 'cowboys.'" Of course, that only
p*ssed me off even more, since all of these worthless pukes know
who the criminals are and do nothing about it.
The bottom line is, they either face accountability in ways which
they currently avoid within the law, or they will eventually face
accountability in ways that are outside the law. Any idiot could
figure that out. This isn't over, even eight or so years after the fact.
PS: I am currently planning a video "sting" campaign against them

and every other piece of sh*t cop who wants to flout the law. I
have all the time, resources and energy in the world and very little
to lose. And they can't kill me. They accomplished that a long time
ago. You've been warned, you f*cking idiots. I hope your families
appreciate your sacrifice.
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02-11-2007 12:40 AM
duncan If you dial 911 yer f8cked. If you don't yer f&cked.
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If a bad guy enters your home with the intent to kill you and you
Registered: Jul 2003 dial 911 and while you are waiting for the copscum to show up
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you'll be dead.
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If you kill the bad guy and don't dial 911 then the copscum will
possibly arrest you.
I will shoot the bad guy first and then dump the bad guys body into
my septic tank. When the copscum show up to arrest me for
defending my life and the copscum then threaten my life, just like
the bad guy did, I will shoot them.
I know a guy who owns a coin shop in Ft. Collins. His name is John
Anderson and he owns "Corner Coins" located on the corner of
Remington dr. and Mulberry ave.. He was being robbed by a two
coin theives who would use a stolen credit card to buy the gold and
then head to another town to sell the gold.
John had been tipped off that the duo was coming from Nebraska
and heading for Ft. Collins. John owns the only coin shop store front
in town and so were else would they go on their way to Denver?
John ID them and he first sold them the gold and stalled them both
for a long time, but the duo got wise to the stall and headed out the
door with John's gold coins. John had his finger on the magic red
button under the counter for the longest time and couldn't figure
out why the local copsters hand't shown up yet to arrest thieves
before they had gotten into their car. He was finally forced to follow
the two out the door and as they were driving off he pulled out his
9mm and shot out one of their car tires. They didn't get very far
with the flat tire and after a long while the lazy copscum finally
showed up.
The copster not only arrested the thieves they also arrested John
for discharging a weapon in city limits. Either way John was f8cked.
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02-11-2007 12:55 AM
duncan Another incident like this one occured in Ft.Collins about the same
Moderator time.
Registered: Jul 2003 A drunk tried to break into the home of an old couple at around
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 2am in the morning. The old man in the house hears a banging and
Posts: 9006 glass breaking at his back door so he grabs his gun and heads to
the rear of the house. When he gets there he sees this stranger
breaking into his house and yelling at him to let the drunk in. The
old mans warns the drunk to leave or else and the drunk only gets
even angrier and threatens to get the old man.
The old man shoot the drunk and kills him. The copscum arrest the
old man. The old man feared for his life and had no idea what was
wrong with the drunk so he did the only thing hew could for if he
had dialed 911 the drunk would have ahd plenty of time to possible
kill the old man.
What the good was a cop to this guy?
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duncan There was a guy by the name of Bodie Roybal who happen to be a
Moderator Vietnam Vet and suffered from PTSD. Bodie would have fits of
depression that made him suicidal one night he had knife and was
Registered: Jul 2003 out in his garage acting like he might kill himself.
Posts: 9006 His wife dialed 911 and the copscum showed up not save Bodie
from himself but to shoot him dead. Bodie was drunk and posed no
real threat to the copscum all he had was a knife, but the p*g who
shot him felt that his life was more important than Bodie's.
What the f8ck did it do Bodie's wife to dial 911?
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02-11-2007 01:05 AM

liberranter All of what you describe is fully characteristic of "anarcho-

Super Moderator tyranny." This is best described as the practice by which the
State, in its role as upholder of the law and defender of the lives
and property of the citizens, fails (deliberately) to do either one.
The flip side of the coin is that it persecutes and oppresses
those citizens who attempt to defend themselves against the
predations of criminals whom the State refuses to prosecute
and against whom the State refuses to protect the citizenry as
is its lawful duty.
By forcing their self-declared "monopoly" of deadly force upon

us as a "service" (as I said, a "monopoly" service at that), the
Location: Tucson, AZ State, in the form of cops as its armed agents of force, can
Posts: 5865 ignore or respond to us citizens' concerns as they choose or do
not choose, leaving us at the mercy or the rogue criminal
element in the event that they opt not to perform the services
for which they pay themselves with our stolen tax money.
As the old man defending himself against the violent drunk

found out, the State has other priorities than the safety of the
citizens. Indeed, one can make the argument that the State
views the violent criminals who prey upon the law-abiding
citizenry in one of two ways: 1) dangerous felons whose violent
resistance to arrest puts LEOs lives in jeopardy, thus making
them less-than-desirable targets (the ease of arresting an old
man is the flip side of this coin), or 2) as potentially useful "fifth
columns" to be pressed into the service of the State in the
event of an "emergency" (one theory as to why gangs like the
Krips and the Bloods, among other such gangs, operate
relatively freely despite massive resources committed to "anti-
gang" task forces is that the State sees these heavily armed
groups as a potential auxiliary to the armed strength of LE,
giving the gangs [tacit?] consent to operate with a free hand in
exchange for committing their armed violence to the agenda of
the State whenever summoned to do so).
Farfetched? Hardly. The only reason historically that organized

criminal elements have been able to operate to the extent that
they have is due to cooperation of corrupt elements of LE. While
the corruption isn't usually as open and flagrant today as in
decades past (Chicago and New York of the 20's comes quickly
to mind), it's still there, for them mutual benefit of both
organized crime and the State. Only the law-abiding taxpaying
citizen loses, and will lose hideously once these two criminal
elements publicly solidify their unholy alliance to run roughshod
over the masses.
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02-11-2007 02:50 PM
Mack Nice explanation, Liberranter. As you probably know, the term

Assistant Moderator "Anarcho-Tyranny" was coined by the late, lamented Sam Francis,
an author and journalist who courageously gave voice to politically-
incorrect (but objectively-correct) views, and as a consequence was
drummed out of the establishment media.
http://www.samfrancis.net/
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archive...sam_francis.php
Registered: Jul 2003 Here's a compendium of his columns, which are well worth reading:
Location:
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As Francis described it:
quote:
http://www.vdare.com/francis/patriot_act.htm
"Anarcho-tyranny": a combination of anarchy (in which
legitimate government functions—like spying on the
bad guys or punishing real criminals—are not
performed) and tyranny (in which government
performs illegitimate functions—like spying on the good
guys or criminalizing innocent conduct like gun
ownership and political dissent).
The result of anarcho-tyranny is that government

swells in power, criminals are not controlled, and law-
abiding citizens wind up being repressed by the state
and attacked by thugs."
and elsewhere:

quote:
http://www.vdare.com/francis/041230_multiculturalism.
htm
We refuse to control real criminals (that's the anarchy)
so we control the innocent (that's the tyranny)."
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02-11-2007 04:30 PM
duncan The state using the criminal element in society to further control
Moderator the innocent masses. People are too busy ducking the bad guys
that they don't have time and energy to deal with the tyranny of
Registered: Jul 2003 the state.
Posts: 9006 I told a fellow LP type about my encounter with the Homeland
Gestapo and he likened it to the same thing Hitler did when he took
office. Hitler took the dregs of German society and placed them in
postions of authority. Meet a Homeland Gestapo type just to see
what my friend meant.
The dregs would abuse their authority by going after political

dissidents by pretending that those kinds of people were using their
poltical philsophies and a cover for criminal activities. The way the
state works to destroy political expression is to first demonize and
marginalize their targets.
According to the Homeland Gestpao I'm a "Domestic Terrorist" with

a hidden agenda. You can read my last ten years worth of postings
on the net to see that my agenda is anything but hidden. These
Nazi's ignore the fact that I have no felonies and no violent criminal
history. The copscum have spent the past twenty or so years
threatening me with violence for refusing to shut up.
It amazes me to this day that the state and its agents would go to
such extremes over one man like myself. In reality I am a nobody,
just an average guy who is sick and tired of the BS and has decided

to do something about it because I realize that I have nothing left

to lose by speaking out as the state has removed nearly all of our
human rights from sight.
The part about "doing something about it" is the only thing that
sets me apart from my fellow amerikans, other than that there is
nothing remarkable about me.
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whitesupra7 Just some thoughts.....

Senior Member
"I know a guy who owns a coin shop in Ft. Collins. His name is John
Registered: Jan 2007 Anderson and he owns "Corner Coins" located on the corner of
Location: Remington dr. and Mulberry ave.. He was being robbed by a two
Posts: 108 coin theives who would use a stolen credit card to buy the gold and
then head to another town to sell the gold."
----This is not robbery, this is theft and credit card fraud. A robbery
is defined as an assualt of some type with unlawful taking. The coin
shop owner wasn't robbed, he was having his coins stolen. My
question is, that if he knew the two perps were in his store, and
knew they were using a bad credit card, why did he then sell them
a coin? He created the situation on his own, then he decided to take
it upon himself to go outside and shoot at the unarmed men. They
didn't try to harm him or threaten him, so why would he shoot at
them? If the police did this, you'd be screaming about them
shooting at unarmed men, probably entrapment too.
These two stories are what really get me about this post....

"A drunk tried to break into the home of an old couple at around
2am in the morning. The old man in the house hears a banging and
glass breaking at his back door so he grabs his gun and heads to
even angrier and threatens to get the old man.
"The old man shoot the drunk and kills him. The copscum arrest the
kill the old man."
.......well, you cannot shoot an unarmed tresspasser who is

destroying property. Thats all it is, tresspassing and destruction of
property.
"There was a guy by the name of Bodie Roybal who happen to be a

Vietnam Vet and suffered from PTSD. Bodie would have fits of
out in his garage acting like he might kill himself.
......If you are withing 21 feet of someone yeilding a knife, it takes

exactly 1.9 seconds for them to rush and stab you at full speed.
That is exactly .5 seconds longer than it takes an average officer to
draw his weapon and fire 1 round. This is why we are allowed to
shoot people with knives. (not to mention a knife can kill you pretty
easily, this aint TV)
His wife dialed 911 and the copscum showed up not save Bodie
shot him felt that his life was more important than Bodie's."
.....I really don't get your reasoning here. Both suspects in both
stories were drunk, and police were called both times. In your
"good guy" story, an UNARMED man "asks" to get in the house, and
the guy shoots him. This is OK in your book because he is a citizen.
If the police did this, you would be screaming about police murder
of an unarmed man.
.......In the other story, the drunk guy has a KNIFE, and "only a
knife" in your words (i guess knives are harmless), and the police
kill him, and it's their fault.
.....So what you are trying to say, is that citizens are legally OK to
shoot unarmed people ? And that police aren't OK to shoot a pyscho
with a knife? I don't get it......
"According to the Homeland Gestpao I'm a "Domestic Terrorist"

with a hidden agenda"
.......um, i wouldnt say hidden, but you do openly hate the US
government and threaten to kill police constantly, among many

other statements you have made....what do you expect?
02-12-2007 08:24 PM
duncan Just some thoughts.....

Moderator
"I know a guy who owns a coin shop in Ft. Collins. His name is John
Registered: Jul 2003 Anderson and he owns "Corner Coins" located on the corner of
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Remington dr. and Mulberry ave.. He was being robbed by a two
Posts: 9006 coin theives who would use a stolen credit card to buy the gold and
then head to another town to sell the gold."
"----This is not robbery, this is theft and credit card fraud. A

robbery is defined as an assualt of some type with unlawful taking.
The coin shop owner wasn't robbed, he was having his coins stolen.
My question is, that if he knew the two perps were in his store, and
knew they were using a bad credit card, why did he then sell them
a coin? He created the situation on his own, then he decided to take
it upon himself to go outside and shoot at the unarmed men. They
didn't try to harm him or threaten him, so why would he shoot at
them? If the police did this, you'd be screaming about them
shooting at unarmed men, probably entrapment too."
He was insturcted by Officer Michelson to sell the criminals the

coins. If he doesn't sell them the coins then there is no crime. Your
question is directed at the wrong perosn asked the Ft. Collins PD or
ask John Anderson. The reason I posted his name and the name of
his shop was so that you or who ever could ask him your self. John
didn't create the stituation the copscum did and after this incoident
John has no repsect for the local copscum.
John didn't shoot at them he shot at the tire and by shooting at the
tire he harmed no one. They harmed him at the point they stole his
property. Since the copscum were doing nothing, and John had
given them ample notice of a crime being committed, he was forced
to act on his own and look what it got him. He stopped a cirme in
progress and retrieved his coins while the copsum sat on their
collective asses watching the crime in progress. John harmed no
one and he never shot at the bad guys he shot out a tire. You seem
confused were did I post that he shot at the bad guys? Show me. If
the p8gs won't protect John and they were parked on scene and did
nothing while the crime was going down then what else is John to
do? He sees the p8gs doing nothing and his coins going bye bye so
he does the only thing he can and in the process he harms no one
but a rubber tire.
A p*g like you feels that a rubber tire has more rights than does s
troe owner who is simply tring to retrive his property back.
Why don't you call him up and ask him these questions and then
ask yourself what dialing 911 did for him.

These two stories are what really get me about this post....
"A drunk tried to break into the home of an old couple at around
2am in the morning. The old man in the house hears a banging and
glass breaking at his back door so he grabs his gun and heads to
even angrier and threatens to get the old man."
"The old man shoot the drunk and kills him. The copscum arrest the
kill the old man."
".......well, you cannot shoot an unarmed tresspasser who is

destroying property. Thats all it is, tresspassing and destruction of
property."
You are once agian incorrect. In Colorado we have what is called

the "Make My Day" law, which states that when an intruder enters
your home with out your permission and you have reason to fear
for your life then you can shoot to kill. This is the law and the
copscum arrested the old man anyway. I knew the lawyer who
defended this case and the criminal charges were dropped against
the old man. This same lawyer defended John Anderson and that
case was dropped as well by the DA. The lawyers name is David
Miller. Strike two for you copscum.
"There was a guy by the name of Bodie Roybal who happen to be a

Vietnam Vet and suffered from PTSD. Bodie would have fits of
out in his garage acting like he might kill himself.
"......If you are withing 21 feet of someone yeilding a knife, it takes

exactly 1.9 seconds for them to rush and stab you at full speed.
That is exactly .5 seconds longer than it takes an average officer to
draw his weapon and fire 1 round. This is why we are allowed to
shoot people with knives. (not to mention a knife can kill you pretty
easily, this aint TV)"
Bodie didn't rush the copscum and he was ouside the 21 ft zone
that you cliam is your right to kill zone. So it takes a drunk 1.9
seconds to charge a copster or a normal human being? The p8g
who shot him was an ex-special forces goon and apart of program
to reintigrate whacko's ex-military types like him back into society
by giving them a gun and a badge. The genuis who implimented
this plan was Janet Reno and the then Sheriff of Larmier County
Richard Shockley was a good friends with ole Butcher Reno. All
you've stated to us is that you copscum feel that your life is more
important than the victims. The p*g in question charged Roybal and
not the other way around.The p*g could have shot Bodie in the leg

or simply jumped him from behind, but then this would make sense
wouldn't it? If no p8g had showed up at all chances are that Roybal
would have continued to walk around in his own front yard yelling
to himself and psoing no threat to anyone. Bodie never charged at
any innocent bystandards with a knife.
"His wife dialed 911 and the copscum showed up not save Bodie
shot him felt that his life was more important than Bodie's."
.....I really don't get your reasoning here. Both suspects in both
"stories were drunk, and police were called both times."
Both supects? Who is the other one? how did his wife now becoem
a suspect? She wasn't drunk and she was in the house while Bodie
was outside the house.
"In your "good guy" story, an UNARMED man "asks" to get in the
house, and the guy shoots him. This is OK in your book because he
is a citizen. If the police did this, you would be screaming about
police murder of an unarmed man."
What story is this? Bodie was a resident of the house that he was
shot at.
The other story of the drunk is were the drunk was not only asking
to get into the house he was breaking into the house and in fact he
ahd broken into the house prior to the old man shooting him to
death.. Are you off your meds again?
".......In the other story, the drunk guy has a KNIFE, and "only a
knife" in your words (i guess knives are harmless), and the police
kill him, and it's their fault. "
He was in his own front yard and not threatening anyone. It was his
knife, his home and he was not charging anyone with a knife. The
copscum charged Bodie and then shot him. But of course this is
alright with a p8g like you who feels that his life is more important
than ours,
".....So what you are trying to say, is that citizens are legally OK to
shoot unarmed people ? And that police aren't OK to shoot a pyscho
with a knife? I don't get it......"
So what you're trying to say is that the old man has no right to
defedn his life and his home form intruders? And that a copscum
has the right to kill an innocent man simply because he has a knife
in his hand? Were is your proof that Bodie is a psycho? the fact is
the copscum was the whacked out combat psycho and he was ler
let go after this occured. A drunk with knife who posed a threat to
no one was killed by a psycho who was threat to everyone and
anyone he came into contact with.

Strike three yer outta here prokey.
"According to the Homeland Gestpao I'm a "Domestic Terrorist"

with a hidden agenda"
".......um, i wouldnt say hidden, but you do openly hate the US

government and threaten to kill police constantly, among many
other statements you have made....what do you expect?"
You openly hate me why else would you lie about me. All I've done
is state that I will protect my home from copscum like you when
you come to kill me. That's not a threat. Show me your proof that I
have constantly threaten to kill copscum like you. Your the one who
threatens to come to my home to serve a bogus warrant and if I
refuse to allow you into my home you will break my door down and
kill me for defending my life. Your the one who would pull a gun on
me for refusing to dial 911.
You the copscum are the violent threat to humanity. You the
copscum are the one who will force an unwanted service on me at
gun point. Your the one with the gun on his hip walking around like
bad ass just itching to whack some guy whom you hate. Your the
one wearing the black gestapo like uniform threatening people who
refuse to kiss your a$$.
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whitesupra7
Senior Member
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Location: I just played your own game with you, annoying isnt it? You just
Posts: 108
watched me do EXACTLY what you do to LE's with their posts. I
mixed all the facts around, asked stupid questions and basically
made the victims out to be the bad guys. This is what you do when
an officer makes a post on this forum. Take a look in the mirror,
kinda makes you mad doesn't it? That entire post was a means to
show you what you are.
02-13-2007 01:29 PM
duncan Dial 911 and Die

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http://www.jpfo.org/dial911anddie.htm
Posts: 9006
A lawyer wrote the book and JPFO now sells it for a small price.
The book does a state by state account of what has occured to

people when they dialed 911.
The copster admits that he can't argue the point and was forced to
lie. I will accept your public defeat on the debate, but will you
answer the question as to why copscum force their services on us a
gun point?
The first copscum who threatened to kill me, simply because he

hated me and the fact that I went to the media to expose his
crimes, was a fat slob by the name of Jim Black a former Larimer
County Sheriff. The the next one was violent thug by the name of
Clifford Volz and his pals folowed suit to back up their fellow thug
Deputies Brunin and Weber. The next copster who expressed his
hatred for me, so much so that he wanted to kill me, was a guy by
the name of Bob Short. Short was later fired by the Ft. Collins PD
for driving under the influence and drag racing with a
bailbondsman. Short's fellow copscum would never fire the guy for
threatening the life of an innocent political activist or for haning out
at the local strip club were would get drunk and then leave the bar
to drive home drunk.
Oh how these copscum can hate.
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02-13-2007 01:58 PM
whitesupra7 "Why do copscum force their services on us at gunpoint?"

Senior Member
I'm going to go ahead and answer this to the best of my ability...
Location: We don't, plain and simple. I don't come to your home and point a
Posts: 108 gun at you saying " you had better ask me to write a report for that
missing bike, or else". You sound so ridiculous when you repeat
that line, and ad nauseum at that. I don't care if you don't dial 911,
more power to you, you are MORE than welcome to solve your own
problems, and I encourage it, as long as you do it legally. If people
could only solve their own problems for even 20% of the calls I
recieve, it would make my job so much easier. This way, I don't
have to come and solve problems such as:
--"My kid won't go to school"

--"My dad spanked me"
--"My son is a drug addict and he pawned my stuff"
--"She won't stop calling me on the telephone"
--"He's cheating on me"
--"My kid won't listen to me"
--"There's kids in the woods drinking"
--"He's threatening to take a bunch of pills"
--"We had an argument"
--"He verbally assaulted me"
--"The store didn't give me proper change"
I'm not forcing you to call 911, Im BEGGING you not to call 911. I
don't care to help you solve these problems, and if you have half of
a brain, you should be able to solve them on your own.
I'll put it this way, and I can only speak for myself, but if I'm
pointing a gun at you, you screwed up pretty bad, or you are trying
to harm me. There is no other reason, and to imply that I'm going
to force you at gunpoint to make me write a report or solve some

BS problem is borderline ******ed. I don't care, and I certainly

don't want to write more reports, or deal with more nasty, mouthy,
a-hole people than I have to. I'm available to anyone who wants to
call 911 and wants me to help solve their problem, if you don't want
to call, I don't care about your problem. Realize :There are many
people out there who do want to use the police services and
do so. I'm here for those people, and I'm not here for the people
who don't want me. If someone calls me about you, yes, I'm going
to come to your house and bother you, it's my job. If I find the
complaint to be unfounded, I'll leave your house with an apology
and then go bother the idiot who called me to come waste my time.
If I am called about you, I don't have a choice, I HAVE to come
investigate the call, even if I know the person calling is crazy. Trust
me, I don't want to come to your house, and bother you about your
loud music, your burning trash or your cars parked on your lawn, I
have better things to do.
I find that most of the calls I go to, I don't want to be there,
because either the people are nasty to me, or it's really not a police
matter. For these problems, I don't want to be involved, so I'm
certainly NOT going to force my service on you, rather, I'm going to
try to find a backdoor so I can get back on patrol and do something
productive. I want to catch bad guys that rob and harm, I want to
do something worthwhile. I guess I'm weird as far as the average
"cop" goes.
Trust me, I don't force my service on anyone except the crappy
people who deserve it. Even then, I'm not forcing a service on
them, because it's not a service, and I no longer serve you. Some
people just dont see the "service" because for what they have done,
they don't realize it no longer applies to them.
02-14-2007 02:06 AM
duncan You ignore the fact that we are forced to pay for an unwanted
Moderator service ergo the service is forced upon us and yes at gun point.
Registered: Jul 2003 You posted under another name that if you were to recieve a call
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado from a nieghbor in regards to me then you would in fact walk up to
Posts: 9006 my door, with a gun on your hip and demand to speak to me.
Makes no difference to you if the call was bogus you would take the
word of anyone and never bother to first check on the guy who
made the call. This kind thing occurs on a regular basis in which an
irate nieghbor uses the copscum to get even with a nieghborhood
enemy.
If we agree that you need to leave people alone and allow them the
right to deal with their own issues then the problem now is that you
need to give us our money back. Stay the f*ck away from me and
keep your filthy little mits off of my money. When I refuse to pay
the property taxes and the county orders you to seize my home at
the point of a gun, and yes this sh*t goes on all the time ad

naseum if you will, then you tell the county to go f*ck themselves
because the taking of another man's home is wrong and it ain't
worth dying for.
If I decide to smoke a joint in the privacy of my home then you

need to say "I don't care what the guy does in his home as long as
he isn't hurting others. I will not die over his right to smoke pot in
the privacy of his own home." That includes pot, herion, cociane,
meth, crack etc... .
If I cary a gun in my car this is of no concern of your's unless I use

the gun to murder. Any so-called crime that does not involve any
kind of victim that you enforce is in fact a forced servcie and as a
copster you will enforce victimless crimes thus forcing a service on
people. You have a choice in not to enforcing illegal state statues,
but as a copster you choose to do so thus you choose to force a
service on people at gun point. Wether or not you actually pull a
gun is of no meaning the fact is you imply force and coercion when
you confront innocents on the street by your mere presence. A guy
in black uniformn with a gun on his hip is an indimidation factor and
you will pull a gun on people when they refuse your services i.e.
don't tell me what kind of weapon to carry on my person or in my
car or if I have a right to smoke pot, otherwise you are forcing a
service on people or rather enforcing and illegal dictate at the
behest of the state.
When you choose to impose an illegal dictate you are the one who
is threatening the lives of others and not the one who is being
threatened. No one forced you to become a fascist who forces the
will of the state on the masses.
If you are pointing a gun at me it will be because some higher up

slob told you to do so and he did so because that asswipe screwed
up and got his facts wrong. In fact this just happened to me on
December 15th of 2006. The fact is you are an automon who will do
as he is told without question even if it means that what you are
told to do is wrong.
You better first find out if the complaint is founded before you set
one f*cking foot on my property because if it isn't founde then I will
shoot you in defense of my life and home. Based on the past
attrocities of your ilk I am left with no other choice but to shoot first
and ask questions later, because stupid f*cks like you can never get
their facts right you would just shoot me and if you were to f8ck up,
and you are a f8ck up' then you will get away with the crime of
manslaughter and this I cannot alloow to happen. So you best
figure out another way to deal with people like me other than the
violation of my property rights and the use of violence.
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Duncan

02-14-2007 10:54 PM
whitesupra7 "You posted under another name that if you were to recieve a call
Senior Member from a nieghbor in regards to me then you would in fact walk up to
my door, with a gun on your hip and demand to speak to me.
Registered: Jan 2007 Makes no difference to you if the call was bogus you would take the
Location: word of anyone and never bother to first check on the guy who
Posts: 108
enemy."
>>>>>How can I figure out if the call is bogus or not without

hearing both sides of the story.
"If we agree that you need to leave people alone and allow them
the right to deal with their own issues then the problem now is that
you need to give us our money back. Stay the f*ck away from me
and keep your filthy little mits off of my money. When I refuse to
pay the property taxes and the county orders you to seize my home
at the point of a gun, and yes this sh*t goes on all the time ad
worth dying for."
>>>>everyone else has to pay the same taxes you do, and they
dont complain. You are not special, you are the same as everyone
else, so quit complaining, that's life.
If I decide to smoke a joint in the privacy of my home then you


meth, crack etc... .
>>>> Trust me, I'm not going to die over your joint, that I can
promise.
If I cary a gun in my car this is of no concern of your's unless I use

behest of the state.
>>>>Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and smoking

marijuana are illegal in this country. There are plenty of countries
where this is perfectly legal, go find one. Please go find one, I'll pay
for the plane ticket. If you want to live here, you have to live by the
rules. Deal with it.
"If you are pointing a gun at me it will be because some higher up

told to do is wrong. "
>>>Nobody can tell me who to point my gun at. My supervisors

don't even show up at calls, therefore they cannot tell me "hey, go
point your gun at that guy".
You better first find out if the complaint is founded before you set
manslaughter and this I cannot alloow to happen.
>>>> Again, I have to hear both sides of the story before I decide
anything about a complaint. If you are so insane that you won't
even talk to me, I'm going to tend to believe the person making the
complaint. If you shoot an officer because he came onto your
property, and then try to plead that load of crap in court and say " I
was afraid for my life because he came on my property", they will

laugh at you, and then put you away, and you can talk all that
patriot stuff in jail. A warrant's validity is not for you to decide, a
complaint's validity is not for you to decide, you don't have a say in
the matter. The fact that you happen to think a complaint against
you isn't valid is completely irrelavent, you don't get a say. I like
people like you, you talk a big game, but you have been arrested
several times and done nothing to the police, you are a dime a
dozen. It just means you are scared. You are all talk, and you will
always be all talk. You are the kind of guy that we in law
enforcement like to refer to as a "candidate". Your attitude and
most importantly your actions are going to get you killed, and all
for nothing. You think you know a good deal about the police, but
then you think that just one officer is coming to your house? They
know you, they know how crazy you are about your "rights", I
would venture to say they come with at least 3 cars, I know I
would. I would say they are probably just as ready for you as you
are them, but they have more people. So why would you shoot a
cop?.... in the end you WILL lose, and that is fact. My advice to you
in the future, and I am being sincere, is to lay off the patriot
extremist act and do things the legal way, through the courts. You
have already proven you can follow through if your rights are
comprimised, and you can win. I don't understand why a person
who is smart enough to follow through like that would then turn
around and shoot a cop, you have to know you are going to lose
that one. We don't play around when it comes to that, as I'm sure
you know. We win in the end.
"So you best figure out another way to deal with people like me
other than the violation of my property rights and the use of
violence. "
>>>>We have other ways. They are not a good alternative, and
aren't in your best interest. Lighten up tough guy, it's an internet
forum.
02-15-2007 02:42 AM

CSMALLO quote:
Member
Originally posted by whitesupra7
Registered: Jan 2007 "You posted under another name that if you were
Location: to recieve a call from a nieghbor in regards to me
Posts: 31 then you would in fact walk up to my door, with a
gun on your hip and demand to speak to me.
Makes no difference to you if the call was bogus
you would take the word of anyone and never
bother to first check on the guy who made the
call. This kind thing occurs on a regular basis in
which an irate nieghbor uses the copscum to get
even with a nieghborhood enemy."
>>>>>How can I figure out if the call is bogus or

not without hearing both sides of the story.
"If we agree that you need to leave people alone

and allow them the right to deal with their own
issues then the problem now is that you need to
give us our money back. Stay the f*ck away from
me and keep your filthy little mits off of my
money. When I refuse to pay the property taxes
and the county orders you to seize my home at
the point of a gun, and yes this sh*t goes on all
the time ad naseum if you will, then you tell the
county to go f*ck themselves because the taking
of another man's home is wrong and it ain't worth
dying for."
>>>>everyone else has to pay the same taxes

you do, and they dont complain. You are not
special, you are the same as everyone else, so
quit complaining, that's life.
If I decide to smoke a joint in the privacy of my

home then you need to say "I don't care what the
guy does in his home as long as he isn't hurting
others. I will not die over his right to smoke pot
in the privacy of his own home." That includes
pot, herion, cociane, meth, crack etc... .
>>>> Trust me, I'm not going to die over your

joint, that I can promise.
If I cary a gun in my car this is of no concern of

your's unless I use the gun to murder. Any so-
called crime that does not involve any kind of
victim that you enforce is in fact a forced servcie
and as a copster you will enforce victimless
crimes thus forcing a service on people. You have

a choice in not to enforcing illegal state statues,

but as a copster you choose to do so thus you
choose to force a service on people at gun point.
Wether or not you actually pull a gun is of no
meaning the fact is you imply force and coercion
when you confront innocents on the street by
your mere presence. A guy in black uniformn with
a gun on his hip is an indimidation factor and you
will pull a gun on people when they refuse your
services i.e. don't tell me what kind of weapon to
carry on my person or in my car or if I have a
right to smoke pot, otherwise you are forcing a
service on people or rather enforcing and illegal
dictate at the behest of the state.
>>>>Carrying a concealed weapon without a

permit and smoking marijuana are illegal in this
country. There are plenty of countries where this
is perfectly legal, go find one. Please go find one,
I'll pay for the plane ticket. If you want to live
here, you have to live by the rules. Deal with it.
"If you are pointing a gun at me it will be because

some higher up slob told you to do so and he did
so because that asswipe screwed up and got his
facts wrong. In fact this just happened to me on
December 15th of 2006. The fact is you are an
automon who will do as he is told without
question even if it means that what you are told
to do is wrong. "
>>>Nobody can tell me who to point my gun at.

My supervisors don't even show up at calls,
therefore they cannot tell me "hey, go point your
gun at that guy".
You better first find out if the complaint is

founded before you set one f*cking foot on my
property because if it isn't founde then I will
shoot you in defense of my life and home. Based
on the past attrocities of your ilk I am left with no
other choice but to shoot first and ask questions
later, because stupid f*cks like you can never get
their facts right you would just shoot me and if
you were to f8ck up, and you are a f8ck up' then
you will get away with the crime of manslaughter
and this I cannot alloow to happen.
>>>> Again, I have to hear both sides of the

story before I decide anything about a complaint.
If you are so insane that you won't even talk to
me, I'm going to tend to believe the person
making the complaint. If you shoot an officer

because he came onto your property, and then try

to plead that load of crap in court and say " I was
afraid for my life because he came on my
property", they will laugh at you, and then put
you away, and you can talk all that patriot stuff in
jail. A warrant's validity is not for you to decide, a
complaint's validity is not for you to decide, you
don't have a say in the matter. The fact that you
happen to think a complaint against you isn't
valid is completely irrelavent, you don't get a say.
I like people like you, you talk a big game, but
you have been arrested several times and done
nothing to the police, you are a dime a dozen. It
just means you are scared. You are all talk, and
you will always be all talk. You are the kind of guy
that we in law enforcement like to refer to as a
"candidate". Your attitude and most importantly
your actions are going to get you killed, and all
for nothing. You think you know a good deal
about the police, but then you think that just one
officer is coming to your house? They know you,
they know how crazy you are about your "rights",
I would venture to say they come with at least 3
cars, I know I would. I would say they are
probably just as ready for you as you are them,
but they have more people. So why would you
shoot a cop?.... in the end you WILL lose, and that
is fact. My advice to you in the future, and I am
being sincere, is to lay off the patriot extremist
act and do things the legal way, through the
courts. You have already proven you can follow
through if your rights are comprimised, and you
can win. I don't understand why a person who is
smart enough to follow through like that would
then turn around and shoot a cop, you have to
know you are going to lose that one. We don't
play around when it comes to that, as I'm sure
you know. We win in the end.
"So you best figure out another way to deal with

people like me other than the violation of my
property rights and the use of violence. "
>>>>We have other ways. They are not a good

alternative, and aren't in your best interest.
Lighten up tough guy, it's an internet forum.
Did he say the gun in his car is concealed? In Kentucky, we can

carry a firearm in plain view or in the glove box without a permit.

So it is not illegal everywhere in this country to have a concealed

firearm without a permit.
As for everyone paying the same taxes. Does the fact that you steal
from everyone make the theft right? You seem to view taxpayers as
nothing but livestock to provide you with a living. Some of us refuse
to be livestock. So we will not just shut up and pay our taxes
without complaint. Face it, we hung Germans in the late 40s for
having the same attitude you have.
02-15-2007 11:58 AM
whitesupra7 "Did he say the gun in his car is concealed? In Kentucky, we can
Senior Member carry a firearm in plain view or in the glove box without a permit.
Registered: Jan 2007 firearm without a permit."
Location:
Posts: 108 >>>>>If I recall correctly, Duncan lives in Colorado, and you do
need a permit there. I think he has been arrested for concealing a
firearm before, so I was assuming that the law was in effect where
he lived. As far as Kentucky, I'm not sure about the laws there, but
I would also venture to assume that you can carry the firearm in
your vehicle, but it must not be loaded and the ammunition must
be separated from the gun and not in reach. This is the law in MD
anyhow, I could be wrong.
"As for everyone paying the same taxes. Does the fact that you
steal from everyone make the theft right? You seem to view
taxpayers as nothing but livestock to provide you with a living.
Some of us refuse to be livestock. So we will not just shut up and
pay our taxes without complaint. Face it, we hung Germans in the
late 40s for having the same attitude you have."
>>>>Saying I "steal" taxes is your opinion, and some of the people

I have helped during my duties would disagree with you. Some
people actually look at my services as a valued assest to the
community. This is besides the point, the point is that taxes have
been around since the beggining of this country, and the only thing
that makes a tax illegal is taxation without representation. This
means a tax that has no reason or basis. The fact that you view my
job as worthless and and unwanted is completely irrelavant. The
police department is a public service just like the fire department
and other public services, and it will continue to exist. Up to a year
and a half ago, I was paying regular taxes just like you, and so
were my family, my friends, and their freinds and so on, and I
never heard any of them complain about paying the taxes that
every other citizen pays. If you don't want to live by the rules of
this country ie. the taxes, then go somewhere else. Some people
still think this country is a pretty damn good place to live, and most
of the people that complain simply have never lived anywhere else

in teh world, and they just don't realize how good they still have it.
We have freedoms in this country others wouldn't dream of, so stop
complaining. Just the fact that you can complain should make you
greatfull.
02-15-2007 12:29 PM
James Young whitesupra7 writes:

Moderator
quote:
Location: Austin, TX Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and
Posts: 280
smoking marijuana are illegal in this country. There are
plenty of countries where this is perfectly legal, go find
one. Please go find one, I'll pay for the plane ticket. If
you want to live here, you have to live by the rules.
Deal with it.
But should they be illegal? To me, the human right to protect

oneself transcends even our great Constitution, which merely
enumerated certain human rights. Anybody with a recognizable
brain-stem knows that the WoD is decidedly more harmful than the
drugs themselves, not just in money transfers but in lost rights,
responsibilities and opportunity. That is, anybody outside those
institutions that exist and thrive only because of the WoD.
As far as the “rules” go, your rules suck. They are neither necessary
nor even useful. More importantly, we did not – even through our
elected representatives – impose those rules on ourselves. It was
done without our consent. And nobody – not even those elected
representatives – chose to develop the forces or to use the tactics
that have been used to subjugate citizens in the name of public
safety. See my tagline.
The “America, Love it or Leave it” argument is puerile. I imagine

the Loyalists told Jefferson and Franklin the same thing in 1775.
Dissent and criticism lead to change and change is what we need to
extricate ourselves from the harmful morass created at the hands
of those unthinking armed minions aiding and abetting the
destruction of what once was a great experiment in democracy.
We would be better off if you left.
quote:
The fact that you happen to think a complaint against

you isn't valid is completely irrelavent, you don't get a

say.
In other words, defending oneself isn’t allowed? Are you saying that
we should just roll over and give up? Have you any idea how
arrogant that sounds or how much it goes to point out the very
abuses of which we speak?
Is your loyalty only to your “job” as you see and without regard to
human and Constitutional rights?
quote:
We don't play around when it comes to that, as I'm

sure you know. We win in the end.
Do you really consider killing a civilian a “win”?
quote:
Saying I "steal" taxes is your opinion, and some of the

people I have helped during my duties would disagree
with you. Some people actually look at my services as a
valued assest to the community. This is besides the
point, the point is that taxes have been around since
the beggining of this country, and the only thing that
makes a tax illegal is taxation without representation.
This means a tax that has no reason or basis.
“Stealing taxes” is an extremist argument and not one that I make.

The question for most citizens is whether the services provided by
law enforcement are worth it. To me, the answer is clearly NO, they
are not worth it. The unwarranted and unwanted intrusion into
private matters is damaging. The explosion of nanny laws designed
to provide control rather than to protect others’ rights is anathema
to a democratic nation. The WoD is counterproductive and creates
tension and distrust between cops and citizens.
The cop used to walk a particular area of town and actually knew
and spoke to the citizens in that area; he knew them by name and
they knew him. The police have since put their officers in virtually
soundproof cars, often even hiding or camouflaging those cars,
isolating and insulating officers from the public. Now, the only time
police interact with the public is likely a traffic stop and too often
that stop has been contrived by the officer to excuse a further

search for things that have arbitrarily been made illegal.
When police are confronted with this, they deny it of course. And
when proof is offered that they have been abusing citizens, they try
to rationalize it away. LAPD and their brethren across the nation are
still trying to claim that Rodney King “deserved it.” Wake up and
smell the coffee. You were wrong then and trying to defend it now
is still wrong. Why don’t you try to fix the problem rather than
excuse it?
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02-15-2007 02:01 PM
duncan Get a f*ckin life porkey.

Moderator
"You posted under another name that if you were to recieve a call
Registered: Jul 2003 from a nieghbor in regards to me then you would in fact walk up to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado my door, with a gun on your hip and demand to speak to me.
Posts: 9006 Makes no difference to you if the call was bogus you would take the
word of anyone and never bother to first check on the guy who
enemy."
">>>>>How can I figure out if the call is bogus or not without

hearing both sides of the story."
Write a letter, send an emial, try a phone call. I don't give sh*t
what you do or how you do it but never ever walk onto my property
and violate the privacy and sanctity of my home you Nazi f*ck.
Your only repsonse to any given situation is to use force and
coercion and you better start figuring out another way to deal with
people.
"If we agree that you need to leave people alone and allow them
the right to deal with their own issues then the problem now is that
you need to give us our money back. Stay the f*ck away from me
and keep your filthy little mits off of my money. When I refuse to
pay the property taxes and the county orders you to seize my home
at the point of a gun, and yes this sh*t goes on all the time ad
worth dying for."

">>>>everyone else has to pay the same taxes you do, and they
dont complain. You are not special, you are the same as everyone
else, so quit complaining, that's life."
Everyone? You don't pay taxes. People in rest homes, people in

prisons, people who are mentally ill and people who are physically
disabled don't pay taxes. The very very wealthy don't pay taxes.
People who know the law in regards to the IRS don't pay that tax.
Your logic is because everyone else allows the state to steal their
wealth then we should all allow the state to steal our wealth.
Becuase Bubba down the road pays protection money to the local
racketeers then we should all be made to pay the local mafia types
for protection.
No one but me complains about the theft of their money at the

hands of the state and no one esle but me is yelling about it? Yer
full of sh*t coppa. I woe you and the state nothing and I will not
allow swine like to steal my money and force a service on me at
gun point. Pull yer f*cking head out and knock off the BS.
"If I decide to smoke a joint in the privacy of my home then you

meth, crack etc... ."
">>>> Trust me, I'm not going to die over your joint, that I can
promise."
Indeed you will the minute you kick my door in. The fact is I don't
do any kind of illicit drug due to my health condition and we all
know that swien like you have a long history of kicking the wrong
door in and then shooting the worng person who wasn't doing pot
in their home. This is why you ain't getting past the front door
porkey.
"If I cary a gun in my car this is of no concern of your's unless I use

behest of the state."

">>>>Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and smoking

marijuana are illegal in this country. There are plenty of countries
where this is perfectly legal, go find one. Please go find one, I'll pay
for the plane ticket. If you want to live here, you have to live by the
rules. Deal with it."
Wrong motherf*cker and here is were you are forcing a service on

me at gun point. You may think you are the only one who has a
right to pack a gun in my world but you are dead wrong. If don't
like this fact then get the f*ck out of my country you Nazi bastard.
The second Amendment to the Bill of Rihgts is clear on the matter
and what part of "The right to keep and bear arms." do you not
understand? Only a Nazi would take a gun away form man who was
using the gun for no other reason than self defense. The rules in my
country are the BOR I suggest that you read them and understand
them and then you will know that it is you who is in violation of the
LAW!!!! and not me.
"If you are pointing a gun at me it will be because some higher up

told to do is wrong. "
">>>Nobody can tell me who to point my gun at. My supervisors

don't even show up at calls, therefore they cannot tell me "hey, go
point your gun at that guy"."
Bullsh8t copscum you will and have been doing as you are ordered
otherwise you would not have been in the military or be a copscum.
"You better first find out if the complaint is founded before you set
manslaughter and this I cannot alloow to happen."
">>>> Again, I have to hear both sides of the story before I decide
anything about a complaint. If you are so insane that you won't
even talk to me, I'm going to tend to believe the person making the
complaint. If you shoot an officer because he came onto your
property, and then try to plead that load of crap in court and say " I
was afraid for my life because he came on my property", they will
laugh at you, and then put you away, and you can talk all that
patriot stuff in jail. A warrant's validity is not for you to decide, a
complaint's validity is not for you to decide, you don't have a say in
the matter. The fact that you happen to think a complaint against
you isn't valid is completely irrelavent, you don't get a say. I like
people like you, you talk a big game, but you have been arrested

several times and done nothing to the police, you are a dime a
dozen. It just means you are scared. You are all talk, and you will
always be all talk. You are the kind of guy that we in law
enforcement like to refer to as a "candidate". Your attitude and
most importantly your actions are going to get you killed, and all
for nothing. You think you know a good deal about the police, but
then you think that just one officer is coming to your house? They
know you, they know how crazy you are about your "rights", I
would venture to say they come with at least 3 cars, I know I
would. I would say they are probably just as ready for you as you
are them, but they have more people. So why would you shoot a
cop?.... in the end you WILL lose, and that is fact. My advice to you
in the future, and I am being sincere, is to lay off the patriot
extremist act and do things the legal way, through the courts. You
have already proven you can follow through if your rights are
comprimised, and you can win. I don't understand why a person
who is smart enough to follow through like that would then turn
around and shoot a cop, you have to know you are going to lose
that one. We don't play around when it comes to that, as I'm sure
you know. We win in the end."
Phone call, email, letter otherwise go f*ck yourself ya Nazi p8g

because you ain't setting foot on my property or in my home. If I
heard or read in the paper that you shot an innocent civilain
becuase you made a mistake can I walk into your home with a gun
on my hip to hear both sides of the story. What if I were to run a
police watchdog group and some guy complains to me that you
beat him up without cause do I get to walk into your home by force
and ask you questions about the complaint? Hey I just want to get
both sides of th story.
You and your f*cking ilk have been fully warned and your load of
crap won't fly with me in some bogus attmept to make me kiss your
fat a$$ and bow down to the state. Your imagined crime is just that
a figment of your imagination in which in fact no crime has occured.
You and your ilk have long long history of killin gthe worng people
and your ilk have a long histry if ahrrassing me. Yes indeed my
areguemnt will fly when you consider the fact that your fellow swine
lost 20K to me and as such have a documanted hsitory if breaking
law and violating my rights to ge tevne with me voer by past histry
as a copwatcher. Try it asswipe and let us find out. Weaver
whacked a cop and he never did any time for ii and in fact he won
millions of dollars in his civil trial.
And old woman whacked a copster because he was trying to break

her door down and kill her. The copster went to wrong house he
tought the old woman was crack dealer. The old lady was never
charged with any crime.
I was never arrested on my proety prokey and we are talking aobut

my property and not aobut what happned five yearsd agon on
public property. If yer such a big shot then come to my home and
see what happens tough guy. How many mnikers have you been

using since you got here ya little weasel? Post a nme coward if you
don;t fear me and others on thsi forum then why ya taliking sh*t a
hiding behind several PC's? Do you evne work for a living you
worhtless sack of sh*t? How much tax money are you wasitng to
psot your garbage on a private forum?
Yes I decide if a call is bougs when it involves my life and my

proety and you get to decide if waling onot my proerty without my
permssion worht dying for. Make a phone call, send an email and
send a letter these are your options. Knock off the machoi copscum
bullsh8t cause all yer doing is pissing me and every other freedom
loving guy like me who comes here and doesn't post. You don't
have a f*cking clue do you? Certain mods know your IP and were
you are posting from threatening me with death will get you know
were a$$wipe.
We've had this discussion already and you are boring the sh*t out
of me BLT. Flush this turd for the second time Al.
"So you best figure out another way to deal with people like me
other than the violation of my property rights and the use of
violence. "
>>>>We have other ways. They are not a good alternative, and
aren't in your best interest. Lighten up tough guy, it's an internet
forum.
Phone call, email or letter otherwise f8ck off and die. Come to my
home tough guy and lets party.
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02-15-2007 02:10 PM
duncan Rather than deal with the topic and keep it intelligent the copscum
Moderator threatens me with violence. The copscum admits that he doesn't
give a flying F8ck about human rights or the BOR.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He has so much as said that he and his fellow Nazi's will f8cking kill
Posts: 9006 me when I defend my life and my home from his brand of tyranny.
The P8g can't show that I am violation of any law, yet here the
copsucker is threatening me with violenceif i refuse to let him onto
my property.
"Did he say the gun in his car is concealed? In Kentucky, we can

carry a firearm in plain view or in the glove box without a permit.
firearm without a permit."
">>>>>If I recall correctly, Duncan lives in Colorado, and you do

need a permit there. I think he has been arrested for concealing a
firearm before, so I was assuming that the law was in effect where
he lived. As far as Kentucky, I'm not sure about the laws there, but
I would also venture to assume that you can carry the firearm in
your vehicle, but it must not be loaded and the ammunition must
be separated from the gun and not in reach. This is the law in MD
anyhow, I could be wrong."
Wrong asswipe. I was never arrested for carrying a concealed

weapon. Need to pull your head out of your rectum stupid. The BOR
is quite clear on the matter and what part of "Shall not be infringed.
>>>" do you not understand?
"As for everyone paying the same taxes. Does the fact that you
steal from everyone make the theft right? You seem to view
taxpayers as nothing but livestock to provide you with a living.
Some of us refuse to be livestock. So we will not just shut up and
pay our taxes without complaint. Face it, we hung Germans in the
late 40s for having the same attitude you have."
">>>>Saying I "steal" taxes is your opinion, and some of the

people I have helped during my duties would disagree with you.
Some people actually look at my services as a valued assest to the
community. This is besides the point, the point is that taxes have
been around since the beggining of this country, and the only thing
that makes a tax illegal is taxation without representation. This
means a tax that has no reason or basis. The fact that you view my
job as worthless and and unwanted is completely irrelavant. The
police department is a public service just like the fire department
and other public services, and it will continue to exist. Up to a year
and a half ago, I was paying regular taxes just like you, and so
were my family, my friends, and their freinds and so on, and I
never heard any of them complain about paying the taxes that
every other citizen pays. If you don't want to live by the rules of
this country ie. the taxes, then go somewhere else. Some people

still think this country is a pretty damn good place to live, and most
of the people that complain simply have never lived anywhere else
in teh world, and they just don't realize how good they still have it.
We have freedoms in this country others wouldn't dream of, so stop
complaining. Just the fact that you can complain should make you
greatfull."
No opinion at all you live off of taxes this is a fact that you cannot
dispute. You live off of the stolen wealth of others, thus you are a
party to theft. It is no different than if a thief steals a car and then
sells it at a reduced rate to a buyer who knew that the car was
stolen. Like the buyer you are party to the crime of theft aka in
reciept of stolen property.
You have still failed to show us the value that you have to society.
How is a forced service a value to me and others? I'm apart of
society just like the members of this forum. So we don't count
because you simply don't like what we have to say about your
worthless profession?
Yer a f*cking idiot. NO stupid income taxes have not been around
since the founding of the nation. Nor were sales taxes and the
American Revolution was all about sales taxes on tea. Did you miss
out on American History classes you stupid f*cking idiot? Income
taxes came into being in 1913 and it was illegaly done by banksters
and it was taxation without representation. SS# taxes never
happened until the time of that sorry sack of sh8t Roosevelt.
If you can't respect the BOR and the human rights of others then
get the f*ck out of my country you sorry sack of sh*t.
You lying motherf8cker, NO ONE complains about taxation without

representation in my country?
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Member
Registered: Jan 2007 "Did he say the gun in his car is concealed? In
Location: Kentucky, we can carry a firearm in plain view or
Posts: 31 in the glove box without a permit. So it is not
illegal everywhere in this country to have a
concealed firearm without a permit."
>>>>>If I recall correctly, Duncan lives in

Colorado, and you do need a permit there. I think
he has been arrested for concealing a firearm
before, so I was assuming that the law was in
effect where he lived. As far as Kentucky, I'm not
sure about the laws there, but I would also
venture to assume that you can carry the firearm
in your vehicle, but it must not be loaded and the
ammunition must be separated from the gun and
not in reach. This is the law in MD anyhow, I
could be wrong.
"As for everyone paying the same taxes. Does the

fact that you steal from everyone make the theft
right? You seem to view taxpayers as nothing but
livestock to provide you with a living. Some of us
refuse to be livestock. So we will not just shut up
and pay our taxes without complaint. Face it, we
hung Germans in the late 40s for having the same
attitude you have."
>>>>Saying I "steal" taxes is your opinion, and

some of the people I have helped during my
duties would disagree with you. Some people
actually look at my services as a valued assest to
the community. This is besides the point, the
point is that taxes have been around since the
beggining of this country, and the only thing that
makes a tax illegal is taxation without
representation. This means a tax that has no
reason or basis. The fact that you view my job as
worthless and and unwanted is completely
irrelavant. The police department is a public
service just like the fire department and other
public services, and it will continue to exist. Up to
a year and a half ago, I was paying regular taxes
just like you, and so were my family, my friends,
and their freinds and so on, and I never heard any
of them complain about paying the taxes that

every other citizen pays. If you don't want to live

by the rules of this country ie. the taxes, then go
somewhere else. Some people still think this
country is a pretty damn good place to live, and
most of the people that complain simply have
never lived anywhere else in teh world, and they
just don't realize how good they still have it. We
have freedoms in this country others wouldn't
dream of, so stop complaining. Just the fact that
you can complain should make you greatfull.
You made the statement in this country, so that applies to the

whole US, not just Colorado. In Kentucky the firearm may be
loaded. It is usless otherwise.
The tax burden has increased to the point of slavery, just because
some of the people do not object, does not mean that it is not
wrong. Theft is theft it is as simple as that. Just as it would be
wrong for me to stick a gun in a person's face and take their
money, it is wrong for me to vote to give that power to someone
else. So yes you are a thief. As for the people who use your
services, let them pay a user's fee or a subscriptiion. That would be
the proper way to do it.
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Rylan 2.0 quote:

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Originally posted by James Young
Registered: Dec 2006 Why don’t you try to fix the problem rather than
Location: excuse it?
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Fighting to have those laws overturned would require officers to

come together off-the-clock to discuss something other than pay
raises. More importantly, lobbying for such things would in effect
mean lobbying to lose their power and even their jobs.
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02-15-2007 02:39 PM
duncan The only kind of people who are supportive of taxation are the ones
Moderator who live off taxes i.e. copscum. The people BLT is talking about
who are not complaining about taxes would be his fellow copscum.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado What kind of idiot thinks that he can post that kind of BS and we
Posts: 9006 are all gonna buy it? How dare we protest police brutality and
excessive taxation we should all just leave our country and leave it
to the Nazi's.
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James Young Rylan 2.0 writes:

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quote:
Location: Austin, TX Fighting to have those laws overturned would require
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officers to come together off-the-clock to discuss
something other than pay raises. More importantly,
lobbying for such things would in effect mean lobbying
to lose their power and even their jobs.

As with any other institution, law enforcement’s first goal is

protection of that institution, i.e., assuring its continuation, followed
closely by the second, expansion of the institution, frequently
without regard to examining the validity or need of its existence.
I’m certain that many officers actually believe what they say, that
they are the thin blue line between organized society and anarchy.
They cannot see or will not admit that we do not want them acting
as they have been, that their policies and actions bring greater
harm rather than greater good.
The frustrating thing for many reformers such as me is that so

many people see the harm but do nothing about it and the cops
then take silence as agreement.
It is going to take a major upheaval, some egregious act by a

pandering government to get the people to put a stop to this. We
have already had massive failures, many of which are egregious
and sudden: Randy Weaver’s death by sniper, Waco, Rodney King’s
beating, numerous drug “raids” of the wrong place still resulting in
innocent deaths, Abner Louima, Kent State, etc ad nauseam. Who
knows what event will trigger such a public upheaval but in the
meantime, outsiders such as CopWatch can agitate for reform but
real reform must come from the inside and sadly I hold out little
hope that the cops are up to it.
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liberranter I think WhiteSupra7/BaltimoreLiE has gotten the "rise" out of us

Super Moderator that he wanted when he decided to reply to this thread with his
stream of intellectual flatulence. No reasonable person could
ever assume that he has ever truly believed that he could sway
any Copwatchers with his logic and fact-deficient responses
(even a cop couldn't be that stupid or naive). Since his obvious
purpose is disruption through prolonging pointless discussions, I
recommend that we ignore any or his future posts to this
thread. They impugn themselves far more effectively than our
rejoinders ever could.
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02-15-2007 03:30 PM
duncan BLT is only imploring the tatic of his beloved Fuherer, which is to lie
Moderator big and lie often and eventually people will believe you.
Registered: Jul 2003 No one complians about taxes.

Posts: 9006 Everyone pays taxes, even those of us who live off of taxes.
I never lie, because I'm a police officer.
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02-15-2007 11:27 PM

duncan So BLT tell us agian why you would force an unwanted service on
Moderator us?
Registered: Jul 2003 You can wipe your ass with that bogus warrant.
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02-16-2007 05:27 PM
duncan The copsucker showed his true colors on this thread. He will in fact
Moderator violate his oath of office when ordered and even if he is not ordered
to do so.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He will confiscate your gun even if the gun is not being used in the
Posts: 9006 commission of a crime and only to be used for self defense, which is
a clear violation of the second amendment aka THE LAW!!!!.
He will attempt to enter your home without justification other than

the word of some irate nieghbor who has bone to pick with you and
is using the cops to do it. This is a Fourth amendment violation. If
the p8g wants to hear both sides of the story then he could make a
phone call, send an email, send a letter, fax his questions, wait until
you leave home and then ask to speak to you. But the p8g choose
the most criminal and violent way afforded him. If you refuse to let
him onto your property he will call his fellow goons to break your
door in and kill you, thus making this copster a fascist p8g of the
highest order. This is how they did the Branch Davidians and
remember Koresh even had his hand out in peace and asked for
calm, but they killed the guy anyway. It is best to shoot first and
ask questions later when armed thugs come to your doorstep.
If as a copwatcher I were to get a complaint about him could I go

onto his property and demand to be let in so that I can hear both
sides of the story? If he refuses to let me I can then convene a
common law jury who will fill out and sign my warrant and then I
will kick the p*gs door in to ask him the questions I need to ask of
him. Of course I don't get to do this and so why should the p8g be
able to do this to me?
One thing the p8g forgot to mention is the fact that you are not
required to answer any of his questions if he should call you, send
an email, or a letter or even a FAX. Not talking to a P8g has nothing
to do with guilt or innocence and in fact the best thing you could do
would be NOT TO TALK!!!!!
When the p8g bangs on your door simply ignore him and he will go
away. You are not required to answer the door for anyone much
less a p*g.
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StandTall 911 - NOT YOUR FRIEND

Member
From personal experience 911 is NOT going to help. What helps is

Registered: Oct 2006 people working out differences in a sane -one-on-one basis. Why do
Location:
Posts: 42 people think the cops are going to help them work anything out at
all? I'm stumped.
Someone could break in my house and I would NOT call 911.

I could be dying and would not call 911.
Someone could threaten to kill me, and I would NOT call 911.
I would call a friend, either one with a fast car, or one with huge
biceps, or preferably BOTH, to get me out of the situation.
The last time I called they assaulted me in the street for "telling
them what to do" i.e. they had a SWAT team with weapons drawn
and were descending on an unarmed man, I knew for a FACT the
man had NO weapon and had not threatened to use one. So I tried
to tell them. To this day I believe I may have saved a life by
sacraficing myself to the 911 demon.
They came up with 6 false charges to try and cover their butts, all
of which a jury found me not guilty of. Does it feel like a victory?
Hell no. It feels like sh*t anyway.
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duncan On December 15th of 2006 the copsuckers forced me at gun point

Moderator to help them, becuase they could not solve a crime.
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liberranter quote:
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On December 15th of 2006 the copsuckers

forced me at gun point to help them, becuase
they could not solve a crime.
It's a wonder that cops that dumb even knew which end of the
gun to point at you.
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03-08-2007 10:45 PM

myson Police informants are a big problem.

Senior Member They use the cops as personal bodyguards.
The cops protect their identity.
The courts do not make them testify.
Defendants are denied the right to face their accusers.
Registered: Sep 2004 And, the informants get away with lying about somebody they just
Location: San Gabriel Valley, don't like.
Los Angeles County, California Hence innocent people are being convicted of crimes they did not
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commit.
All in the name of justice.
09-28-2007 01:10 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by myson
Police informants are a big problem.

They use the cops as personal bodyguards.
The cops protect their identity.
The courts do not make them testify.
Defendants are denied the right to face their
accusers.
And, the informants get away with lying about
somebody they just don't like.
Hence innocent people are being convicted of
Posts: 5865 crimes they did not commit.
All in the name of justice.
And, worst of all, rogue prosecutors, rogue cops, and their lying
informant witnesses are NEVER held accountable at the bar of
justice for their perjured testimony that results in the
imprisonment or death of innocent people. This must change
if there is ever to be any true reform or restoration of public
trust in the system.
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ZoeJane Question for Good Cops

Senior Member
If you were to respond to a call where someone (who ended up

Registered: Jun 2007 being a family member of your's) left numerous messages on
Location:
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you handle this?
Good cops reply only please. Bad cops, take a look in the mirror!
06-09-2007 03:00 PM

gymrat Simple. I would have another officer investigate the complaint. It

Junior Member would be a conflict for me to investigate a family member, close
friend.
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06-14-2007 12:12 PM
ZoeJane quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by gymrat
Registered: Jun 2007 Simple. I would have another officer investigate
Location: the complaint. It would be a conflict for me to
Posts: 1103 investigate a family member, close friend.
Gymrat, that you for your reply. It truly shows that you are
someone with a conscience.
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Matt1 quote:
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Originally posted by gymrat
Registered: Feb 2004 Simple. I would have another officer investigate
Location: the complaint. It would be a conflict for me to
Posts: 1818 investigate a family member, close friend.
Same here. I don't even handle crash reports if it involves a family

member.
06-15-2007 06:50 AM

duncan The woman asked that only good cops should reply and I don't see
Moderator any of the good copsters replying to her question.
Registered: Jul 2003 The first problem would be the problem of neoptism within the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado police department and you will find that this problem quite
Posts: 9006 prevelant in many areas. It a real common problem with the
Longmont, Colorado PD.
Go the city council and demand that nepotism be outlawed amongst

the ranks of city employees.
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ZoeJane quote:
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Registered: Jun 2007 The first problem would be the problem of neoptism
Location: within the police department and you will find that this
Posts: 1103 problem quite prevelant in many areas.
You are so right. I once called the police, prior to this person
beating me, because of threatening messages left on my phone.
You won't believe what the officer's actions were after he listened to
the messages. He called the person's cousin on the force who was
working that day to tell them that he sounded manic-depressive. It
didn't matter that I was in fear for my life.

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Sylvester Why does this matt person keeping answering when a post ask's for
Junior Member a good cop input... I can feel the dudes hatered of the public clean
across the internet. Maybe you should ask for a nice cops opinion,
Registered: Jul 2007 he would not enter then,
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by Sylvester
Registered: Feb 2004 Why does this matt person keeping answering
Location: when a post ask's for a good cop input... I can
Posts: 1818 feel the dudes hatered of the public clean across
the internet. Maybe you should ask for a nice cops
opinion, he would not enter then,
Uhhhh, because I am a good and nice cop. Six posts into your stay
at this website and you claim you can feel my hatred across the
internet? Let me introduce you to your fellow copwatchers, some of
who are moderators at this site.
07-16-2007 01:46 PM
Sylvester Oh so now the threats start...

Junior Member
LOL Yea, I can feel the niceness you abound.
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07-16-2007 04:43 PM

ZoeJane quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jun 2007 Six posts into your stay at this website and you claim
Location: you can feel my hatred across the internet?
Posts: 1103
I haven't read all of your postings but I didn't feel hate coming from
you in the ones that I did read. What I felt was someone seeking
whatever attention they can get, even if it takes trying to rattle a
person's cage to get it. I say black, you say white. I say up, you say
down.
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Sylvester
Junior Member
Isn't that the whole reason for coming to boards like this and
Registered: Jul 2007 replying to post's and making post's ect....
Location:
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Do you suppose we should all just use the little icons and smilies to
get our points across
07-16-2007 10:52 PM
duncan Matt has in the past threatened me with violence, a sure sign of
Moderator hatred.
Registered: Jul 2003 Myself? I hate fascism and socialism. I hate when socilaist and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fascist ake my wealth and force a service on me.
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ZoeJane quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jun 2007 Isn't that the whole reason for coming to boards
Location: like this and replying to post's and making post's
Posts: 1103 ect....
Do you suppose we should all just use the little
icons and smilies to get our points across
What I was implying was someone that would say the opposite,
even in they believed the same as you, just for the sake of riling
things up.
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 Oh so now the threats start...
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WHAT?
Duncan...we have been over this a thousand times, I have never

made threats to anyone here. Do you honestly think I would still be
able to post here if I did?
07-17-2007 10:52 AM
duncan How many times have you been banned or placed in the pen over
Moderator the past five years?
Registered: Jul 2003 Switching computers and codes only proves how obsessed you are
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado with me and this forum.
Posts: 9006
Rid of us of this swine he has resorted to the same old crap of lies
and more lies which only leads to wasting our time.
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Sylvester For Matt

Junior Member
Your threats is that (you know Mods on this sight).
Location: I can only take that as a warning that you will try to have me
Posts: 14 banned if I disagree with you in the future.
For ZoeJane
I'm not here to rile things up,

I just think its just ironic that some one like Matt answers questions
- when its cleary posted that nice cops only need to respond.
I don't consider Matt a nice cop - this from reading all his combative
responses.
My intentions of coming here - were to understand the thought

process of the average cop.
I mean - that in itself is no great mystery.
But if we as the public can do some positive attitude adjustments
on both the publics side and the cops side - Everyone benifits.
Personaly I think there should be a more stringent set of rules in

the hiring of cops, So that you don't have people getting beat and
killed, because a cop has stress are pent up rage.
07-17-2007 12:06 PM
Matt1 I think it is safe to say you are confused about how this site works.
Senior Member I don't have any power to request anyone be banned. Besides, if
you buy into the anti-police propaganda...you can get away with
Registered: Feb 2004 just about anything here.
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Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 How many times have you been banned or placed
Location: in the pen over the past five years?
Posts: 1818
Switching computers and codes only proves how
obsessed you are with me and this forum.
Rid of us of this swine he has resorted to the

same old crap of lies and more lies which only
leads to wasting our time.

Never been banned and only placed in the pen once for no good
reason.
Changing codes and computers? What are you talking about?
07-17-2007 01:21 PM
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Location:
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Oh, I wasn't referring to you when I said that Sylvester, I was

referring to Matt.
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Sylvester Sorry about that ZoeJane...

Junior Member
But in a way I guess I am slightly guilty...
Location: I poked fun at Matt...
Posts: 14
And seeing that he is here and open to conversations
I offer an open apology to Matt - I don't know you as a person, I

only know you from what I see here.
If you see this as an anti police propaganda sight, does that mean
you are only here to defend police interests?
My only interest here is to find a medium between the public and

the police.
Maybe ask a few questions.

And yes I see a lot of mad people on this sight, because they do
have legitimate complaints.
You... Matt have the voice to change the publics perspective of the
police - Do you have the brains or the patience to do so?
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duncan You're the who is closed to any ides that vary form your own.
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We've all heard the cop crap before. Give freedom and liberty a
Registered: Jul 2003 chance abolish the police state. A forced service is not a service at
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado all is fascism.
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Show us the service thug. No one here is forcing anything you and
no one came to you asking you to come here to harass us with your
BS. How can I change your mind? How can I get you leave people
alone and give them back their money? How can those of us who
have no use of your so-called services be assured that they aren't
forced on at gun point?
Is your mind closed to this alternative idea?
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Translation please?

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duncan You're the who is closed to any ideas that vary from your
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You still have some corrections to make.
07-19-2007 01:33 AM

duncan I do?
Moderator
Oh that's right you are only limited speaking and thinking like a p*g
Registered: Jul 2003 who has others do his thinking for him.
Posts: 9006 You still have alot of reasoning to get thru. Suff like freedom and
liberty. I know that abstracts are hard for a guy who can only deal
in trivial crap like mispelled words in attempt to discredit someone
whom you are obsessed with because you can't deal with the issues.
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Registered: Feb 2004 I do?
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Posts: 1818 Oh that's right you are only limited speaking and
thinking like a p*g who has others do his thinking
for him.
You still have alot of reasoning to get thru. Suff

like freedom and liberty. I know that abstracts
are hard for a guy who can only deal in trivial
crap like mispelled words in attempt to discredit
someone whom you are obsessed with because
you can't deal with the issues.

Who wrote this for you?
Spelling mistakes I can deal with, but you have left out entire words.
07-19-2007 02:39 AM
duncan Can you think or reason?

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Sylvester I believe Matt is content with his life.

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I've given up on Matt.
I suggest you do to.
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If you were to respond to a call where someone
(who ended up being a family member of your's)
left numerous messages on someone's answering
machine threatening to kill them, how would you
handle this?
Good cops reply only please. Bad cops, take a

look in the mirror!
My (now ex) wife was stopped for speeding by another officer. He

called me to ask what to do. I told him to do what is right, if she
was speeding, give her a ticket. I never ask for favors. The law is
the law, if I or anyone else, don't like the law then work to get
them changed.
BTW, she got a ticket. She deserved it. She didn't talk to me for a
week, I enjoyed the peace and quite. LOL
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duncan What is the salary of copsters?

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This question will never get answered by any copsters as they don't
Registered: Jul 2003 want you to know how overpaid they are.
Posts: 9006
In Ft. Collins the average welfare copster makes nearly 60K a year.
Bennies include a free patrol car which they are allowed to drive
home and conduct personal busniess in. They pay no income taxes,
sales taxes, SS# taxes etc. . They also get free health care, free
pension, paid two week vacations, free legal insurance etc. .
Just contact your local city govenrment to find out what yer local
commie copsters make and then post it on our forum.
You will be shocked at how over paid and under worked these
parasites are.

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10-06-2004 01:14 PM
GOD COP And also in Ft. Collins is Duncan who makes all of his income from
Senior Member disability checks. (welfare).I say get the sucker on the side of the
highway to pick up some trash!
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10-06-2004 05:12 PM

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Registered: May 2004 And also in Ft. Collins is Duncan who makes all of
Location: his income from disability checks. (welfare).I say
Posts: 1744 get the sucker on the side of the highway to pick
up some trash!
Damn Godcop, Thats not very nice.
10-06-2004 05:22 PM
GOD COP Of course not. However, it would be consistent with my other

Senior Member views. I beleive that there is some job out there for every person
on Public Assistance.
Why give them the money for nothin'?
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duncan Duncan who makes all of his income from disability checks.
Moderator
Still no supporting proof to support his lie and oh look he refused to
Registered: Jul 2003 answer the question about how big his welfare check is. Go figure.
Posts: 9006 What did you do to deserve yer welfare check p8g and who asked
for your non-service?
You need to be on the road picking up garbage komrade not me.

You work for the state not me and you do so at my expense.
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Matt1 Re: What is the salary of copsters?

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In Ft. Collins the average welfare copster makes
nearly 60K a year.
I make just over half of that. I pay every kind of tax that everyone
else does including income and sales tax.
10-06-2004 10:12 PM

duncan this is to bad and you are still well over paid for doing nothing
Moderator
copster can't pay taxes as their income is derived from the taxation
Registered: Jul 2003 of those who work in the private sector.
Posts: 9006 care to list your free bennies?
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10-06-2004 10:59 PM
duncan do you make 30k a year TT?

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do you al?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado tabasco?
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do you guys get any free beenies?
I make 10k a year and get no free beenies.
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10-06-2004 11:01 PM
dep340 I make 30k a year. I sure as hell pay taxes on everything that could
Member possibly be taxed. For me to insure my family it costs $380 a
month, this is without dental or vision. My cost is so high because
Registered: Sep 2004 worthless f8cks like you, Duncan, sit around on your lazy ass and
Location: abuse the system! Get a real job Ducan. See how life is for the
Posts: 44
working man. Stay out of those strip clubs and your 10k a year
might go a little further.
10-07-2004 04:39 AM
dep340 http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/police/employment.php
Member
Registered: Sep 2004 The 2003 salary range for police officers is $43,576 to $59,306.
Location: FCPS offers a take-home car for officers living in the approved 15
Posts: 44 mile radius of the city; college incentive reimbursement program;
clothing allowance for plain clothes assignments; uniform dry
cleaning; overtime pay; vacation leave; sick and short-term
disability leave; health, life and dental insurance available; pension
plan, and a voluntary deferred compensation plan.
Doesn't seem to mention anything about no taxes or free insurance.

Where is your proof you worthless waste of space.
10-07-2004 04:46 AM

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And also in Ft. Collins is Duncan who makes all
of his income from disability checks. (welfare).
Please post your proof. Otherwise it's just another cops lie
designed to slander a Copwatcher.
Registered: Jul 2003 I make over 30k a year, but unlike a cop I work hard for it. It
Posts: 9967
would be nice to sit on my ass like a heavily-armed coward,
fucking people over for 60k/year.
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Originally posted by dep340
My cost is so high because worthless f8cks
like you, Duncan, sit around on your lazy ass
and abuse the system! Get a real job Ducan.
Post your proof, little tax-mooching piggy. Otherwise we should

assume this is just another desperate lie from a desperate liar.
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lawdawg Hmmm...interesting site to say the least.....I guess I make a wage

Member a little closer to what some people would like to see at just under
30k a year. I pay almost $300 a month for health benefits (also not
including vision and dental) and I also pay every tax that anyone
else has to pay. As far as bennies....I do get a clothing allowance
but I have to buy and maintain all my uniforms and equipment so
that is already gone before I get it for all intents and purposes.....I
live in the city and drive a take home back and forth to work but I
Registered: Oct 2004 am not allowed to use it for personal business. That's pretty much it
Location:
and pretty typical for the central part of the country except Texas
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from what I understand.
10-07-2004 05:05 AM
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I make just over half of that. I pay every kind of
tax that everyone else does including income and
sales tax.
Matt, How do you survive on that small amount of pay?

Do you ever have a day off? Im sure your working EJs as well.
30k would last maybe 3 or 4 months in my household. But thats

Houston Texas. Rent for a small one bedroom apartment is about
$800 a month if you dont want to live in a sh8thole.

10-07-2004 09:01 AM
Matt1 Holy Sh!t TT!! Rent is nowhere near that much where I live. We
Senior Member have the option of working security jobs when off duty as well. That
really helps out with the income. I didn't factor in security pay into
Registered: Feb 2004 my salary since the amount of extra pay I get varies from year to
Location: year.
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10-07-2004 09:33 AM
Matt1 quote:
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Location: I make 10k a year and get no free beenies.
Posts: 1818
More proof that you are getting some kind of government handout.
With an income this low you probably do not fit into any tax bracket.
10-07-2004 09:36 AM
duncan After all of the taxation from my pay, taxation which goes to
Moderator support parasites like you that never worked a day in their lives, I
am left with only 10k.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado so tell me what services do you provide p8g? how is stealing my
Posts: 9006 wealth to support your lazy ass a service to me and my community?
just add up up folks and then subtract it form your gross pay
ss# tax
sales tax
property tax
gas tax
fed income tax
state incoem tax

import tax
inheritance tax
car registration tax
F*ck i should be on public assistance due to all of the taxation.
Just let me keep my money and stop stealing for the welfare
copsters on the forum and then I can live like a white man for a
change instead of living in a third world country.
Cops don't work and cops don't pay taxes they are the recepient of
taxation and offer no real or needed servcies to my community.
I don't work for you swine and i owe you nothing. show me where i
owe you swine a thing?
"I pay almost $300 a month for health benefits (also not including
vision and dental) and I also pay every tax that anyone else has to
pay. As far as bennies....I do get a clothing allowance but I have to
buy and maintain all my uniforms and equipment so that is already
gone before I get it for all intents and purposes.....I live in the city
and drive a take home back and forth to work but I am not allowed
to use it for personal business. That's pretty much it and pretty
typical for the central part of the country except Texas from what I
understand.'
You pay nothing for health care we pay for your health care with
our tax dollars, thus your health care is free. Your income is derived
from our income which deprives us of needed money for our health
insurance. Please don't live off of our money you filthy p8g.
You don't pay taxes, you can't as your income is derived from
taxation you only return a small portion of what you recieve from
the tax payers. If everyone either didn't work or worked for the
goverment how long would your system of taxation to feed
parasites like you last? We don't need parasites like you rather it is
parasites like you who need us or otherwise you would starve to
death. Without us you copsters are on the streets begging for food
and this where i want people like you to be.
Don't snivil and whine to us about your personal problems. I don't

have free health care and in fact I have NO health insurance due to
taxation. I am like the majority of working class people in the US.
You have tax paid for health insurance and we have none. I don't
give a f8ck that you have to use our tax money to buy your
uniforms. In the private sector we have to buy our own uniforms,
tools, cars, gas, clothes etc etc. Everything you own is paid for with
our tax dollars and you did nothing to earn your wealth.
You can f*ck off an die porkey I want to keep my money for my
health insurane so f8ck you and yours. if you don't like it then quit
and get a job in the private sector instead of living on welfare like

yer fellow parasite matt the thug does.
"The 2003 salary range for police officers is $43,576 to $59,306.

FCPS offers a take-home car for officers living in the approved 15
mile radius of the city; college incentive reimbursement program;
clothing allowance for plain clothes assignments; uniform dry
cleaning; overtime pay; vacation leave; sick and short-term
disability leave; health, life and dental insurance available; pension
plan, and a voluntary deferred compensation plan.'
I just posted all of their salaries on my string FCPD and the average
pay is 60k a year for a patrolman. So don't lie and jerk us off p8g.
They drive the tax paid cars home and then use our cars to go
shopping and many of them live outside city limits. I have seen
FCPD cars in Loveland, Laporte, Wellington, Timnath, Poudre
Canyon, Rist Canyon etc etc. So you admit that the tax payers pay
for you college education. No one paid for my college education it
was paid for with MY money and not yours. No one paid for my
clothes, health care, private pesnion etc. etc..
The p8g won't tell us that he doesn't pay the oppressive SS# tax
and that the taxpayers pay for his private pension. Gee can I have
a private pension? Well of course not becuase after taxes to pay for
this p8gs private pension i am left with a lousy 10k a year. I didn't
ask for your worthless service p8g and i don't want it nor can i
afford it so leave me and mine the f8ck alone to fend for oursleves
please.
"Doesn't seem to mention anything about no taxes or free

insurance. Where is your proof you worthless waste of space.'
You don't pay taxes you live on taxes stupid. You get free health
insurance at my expense. Where is your proof p8g that anyone
must be made to pay for your crap? How can you pay taxes with
taxes?
"dep340 I make 30k a year. I sure as hell pay taxes on everything

that could possibly be taxed. For me to insure my family it costs
$380 a month, this is without dental or vision. My cost is so high
because worthless f8cks like you, Duncan, sit around on your lazy
ass and abuse the system! Get a real job Ducan. See how life is for
the working man. Stay out of those strip clubs and your 10k a year
might go a little further."
You don't pay taxes p8g you live off of taxes. You are on welfare.
Why don't we all work for the government and then see how long
you last on taxes. you need us you lazy good for nothing swine and
we don't need you.
Can I keep my money for you and yours?
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6d wife Oh stop crying Duncan, you think because we are LEO's we dont
Senior Member have to pay that, thats your biggest misconception yet, you want to
know what our salary is, heres the link, look it up
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http://www.dc.gov/
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Originally posted by 6d wife
you think because we are LEO's we dont have
to pay that...
We? I thought you said your husband was a cop. Does being
married to a cop make you a LEO?
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6d wife No that meams that since I am a domestic engineer, aka husewife,

Senior Member his salary is basically my salary. I bring NO money into the
household. So by duncans theory on earning wages I make 1/2 of
Registered: Sep 2004 what he makes and vise versa since we are married.
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duncan When I worked as a construction electrician I had to pay for my

Moderator own clothes, buy hundreds of dollars worth of tools, own a reliable
car, pay for my night classes on NEC courses which were never
Registered: Jul 2003 reimbursed by any employers, carry a gun for self defense from
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado union nazi's.
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None of this was ever paid for with any tax dollars.
Will you swine pay for my work needs? No? Then why should I be
made to pay for yours? How about I just keep my money to pay for
my things and you swine are on your own?
Yer hubby lives off of taxes thus he pays for nothing with his own
wealth he pays for it with the welath of others wealth.
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Finally Duncan tells the truth!!!
10-08-2004 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by Texastwister
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30k would last maybe 3 or 4 months in my
household.
TT, how much does health insurance in your area cost for your
family? The cost of living is obviously much higher for your area
than mine, so I was just curious as to how the insurance rates
compared.

10-08-2004 05:58 AM
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Member
Registered: Sep 2004 do you make 30k a year TT?
Location:
Posts: 44 do you al?
tabasco?
Well Duncan, TT has told us that he is making between $90 and

$120k a year. From earlier post he is in the mechanic biz and his
wife is in software. Al is obviously in the PI biz, and has told us that
makes 30k. Tabasco has failed to respond, so that leaves you. What
do you do to earn your 10k a year? Do you take it up the a$$ daily
to get that money? Did you give Al a discount when you visited him
in Chicago?
10-08-2004 06:13 AM
Matt1 Duncan, when people talk about how much they make a year they
Senior Member are talking about BEFORE taxes. How much do you make before
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duncan "Well Duncan, TT has told us that he is making between $90 and
Moderator $120k a year. From earlier post he is in the mechanic biz and his
wife is in software. Al is obviously in the PI biz, and has told us that
Registered: Jul 2003 makes 30k. Tabasco has failed to respond, so that leaves you. What
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado do you do to earn your 10k a year? Do you take it up the a$$ daily
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to get that money? Did you give Al a discount when you visited him
in Chicago?"
Yea he works and you don't. He makes his own way based on his
skills and you don't. You live off of his wealth and skills just like the
welfare mommy does. I work and you don't. After taxes, which go
to support your commie ass, I am left with 10k a year. So much for
that college degree I don't make 10k more I make only 10k a year
thanks to taxes and scum like you.

Yer a f8cking goverment whore who refuses to work for living and
so you live off other peoples wealth. Everything you own is paid for
with my tax dollars. I simply want my money back from you
commie swine.
Why don't you get a real job in the private sector and then you can
earn the right to bitch about taxation and how f8cked the state is.
Funny how you were forced to ignore my post in regards having

been a construction electrician, yea it is called past tense ya dumb
p8g. Your the one whining about how tough you supposedly have it
and I'll bet you think that we owe you something and that you
should be the guy making 100k a year to sit on your P8g ass while
people in the private sector suffer.
If I have to pay for your uniform and education etc then of course
there is no money to pay for my tools and my education. Taxes and
government regulation is why I left the trades. Swine like you stole
the means of my production and so I had to stop producing as all of
the taxation and regulation of the trades had reach the point of
diminishing returns. They now have a shortage of electricians
around here becuase of the sh*tty way we get treated by the state
and now the state can eat sh8t. The few electricians that are left
now make $30 an hour which drives up the cost of housing and this
part of the reason TT can't afford a home.
The state prevents people from working thru regulation are

lisenceing of the trades. The state uses the lisences as a poltical
tool to keep out non-union labor. After paying for tools, a car,
taxation, lisence fees, testing fees etc.. I made less than minimum
wage at the time.
Making 100k in Houston yet he hasn't got the money for a home,
this about says it all. We have the same problem here and it is a
real shame that we live in society where government worker makes
more money that the people they are suppose to be working for.
Does TT's employer pay for his health care and his pension?
The 100k is the gross now start subtracting the taxation of it all.
Federal income taxes 15%, depending on write offs and there are
very fews of those.
SS# tax 12.5% of gross.
Medicare taxes 2% of gross.
State income taxes? May not have this in Texas but they have other
ways to stick it to people.
Gas tax federal and state usually $.70 a gallon.
Car registration tax, which is higher than the norm in Texas.

Property taxes, which even get paid by renters as their money goes
to pay the property tax set down by the county.
State imposed auto insurance tax.
That 100k shrinks real quick and one then suddenly has to wonder
why they are working.
If we live in such a wealthy country then why is it everyone under

the sun in this country is in debt? House debt, car debt and credit
card debt.
I get by on my 10K becuase i have no debt. Everyhting I own is

paid for I owe the state nothing and as such I pay as little as I
possibly can in hopes that you tax consumers make less and have
less. It is no loss or concern to you how much I make or don't amke
as it is not your money and you don't support me or pay taxes.
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TT, how much does health insurance in your area
cost for your family? The cost of living is
obviously much higher for your area than mine,
so I was just curious as to how the insurance
rates compared.
No comment? Termite inspector said it all. As far as you need to

know, I live in a trailer, im poor. We get by on food stamps. We
have no insurance. I ride a bicycle to get around. Give the scumbag
a hand. He is so smart. "snicker"
10-08-2004 02:29 PM
Matt1 Why won't you post how much you make a year Duncan? TT gave
Senior Member us an idea of how much he makes and you told us how much Al
makes. Sounds like it is your turn. Remember, it is before taxes.
Location: Before you claimed that you were a paralegal. I assume that you
Posts: 1818 work for a lawyer. Are you trying to tell us that a lawyer is only
paying you minimum wage or were you lying (again) about what
your job is?
10-08-2004 02:50 PM

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Registered: May 2004 Why won't you post how much you make a year
Location: Duncan? TT gave us an idea of how much he
Posts: 1744 makes and you told us how much Al makes.
Sounds like it is your turn. Remember, it is before
taxes.
Before you claimed that you were a paralegal. I

assume that you work for a lawyer. Are you trying
to tell us that a lawyer is only paying you
minimum wage or were you lying (again) about
what your job is?
Why won't you post what department you work for?
The issue of this thread was about a copsters pay. Im not a copster.
So with this in mind. Who, what, when and how i make money is
none of you copsters f8cking business. Trust me. I will only let you
know what i want you to know about me. Nothing more.
How about those Astros? Damn, downtown Houstons going to have

one hell of a party.
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10-08-2004 06:08 PM

dep340 quote:
Member
Location: Funny how you were forced to ignore my post in
Posts: 44 regards having been a construction
Yes I saw your post about "having been in construction". Now why
don't you answer the question that I asked. What do you do to earn
your 10k a year? I suppose you will send another rambling post
about how the whole world is against you and your tax dollars are
different than anyone elses . Now about giving an answer to the
question you worthless f8ck. Where you such a whiny pu88y when
you were on the Sedge? I doubt it, your shipmates would beat your
a$$. Looking forward to your response! 794MWR
10-08-2004 06:44 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Al is obviously in the PI biz, and has told us
that makes 30k.
What a pathetic moron. If I wanted to limit my income to only

$30k/year I would get a job at McDonalds.
Location: Chicago, Illinois quote:
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Do you take it up the a$$ daily to get that
money? Did you give Al a discount when you
visited him in Chicago?
Sorry, I meant what a pathetic fagget moron. Typical pig...

always got homosexuality on his mind. It must be a police
locker room thing.
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dep340 quote:
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Originally posted by A. Shemonia
Registered: Sep 2004 What a pathetic moron. If I wanted to limit my
Location: income to only $30k/year I would get a job at
Posts: 44 McDonalds.
quote:

I make 30k a year but unlike a cop I work hard
for it.
Al, I would like to get a chicken mcnugget meal with a sprite, and
could I get some BBQ sauce with that. Thanks I will pull to the first
window now. You stupid f8ck!
10-08-2004 08:46 PM

duncan "Yes I saw your post about "having been in construction". Now why
Moderator don't you answer the question that I asked. What do you do to earn
your 10k a year? I suppose you will send another rambling post
Registered: Jul 2003 about how the whole world is against you and your tax dollars are
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado different than anyone elses . Now about giving an answer to the
Posts: 9006
question you worthless f8ck. Where you such a whiny pu88y when
you were on the Sedge? I doubt it, your shipmates would beat your
a$$. Looking forward to your response! 794MWR"
Do I work for you? no. Do I live off your welath? no. Why is it your
business what i do for living? This is not your forum P8g this a
private forum not paid for by you. We allow you here and so we are
not required to answer personal question about our lives. I give you
swine just enough info to watch you hang yourselves.
Where do you work? How long have you been on the government
dole to live off of my wealth?
Why don't you come a beat my ass instead of hiding behind a

phoney moniker you gutless copster?
My name is Duncan Philp and what is your name oh gutless

wonder? You can find me in the city of Ft. Collins telling swine like
you to stop stealing my wealth and using it to feed your fat faces
and pay for your health care.
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10-08-2004 11:38 PM

dep340 Poor Duncan, are you going to cry. You seem to think that because
Member I'm a cop that I owe you something, well guess what I don't owe
you sh8t. You seem to think that you are making a difference in the
Registered: Sep 2004 world because you won a lawsuit. People just think you are a joke.
Location: You are nothing now and never will be. It' s very obvious that you
Posts: 44
don't work or you would at least post your profession. Good luck on
your quest to rid the world of cops. You know it will never happen.
Cops will be here long after your gone and nothing you can ever do
will change that. Smile Duncan and have a nice day. Maybe Al will
give you a free big mac.
10-09-2004 03:37 AM
PPB8881 SO ALBERTA FINALLY TOLD US THE TRUTH 30K A YEAR FOR A

Member CONVICTED FELON PILE OF DOG **** NOT BAD ALBERTA.
MAYBE YOU COULD COME WORK WITH ME I HEAR THE NEED A
Registered: Jun 2004 JANITOR THEY START ABOUT 17.35 AN HOURS HERE AT THE
Location: CA REFINERY. I'LL GIVE YOU A REFERANCE I KNOW YOUR STUPID ASS
Posts: 590
NEEDS A REAL JOB BESIDES BURGERKING.
BITCH
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10-09-2004 05:04 AM
duncan Yesterday I hooked up with a freind of mine named Ralph.

Moderator
Ralph is 74 and he is a machinist who runs his own business.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Ralph has been self employed for well over 40 years and he use to
Posts: 9006 employ about ten people up until the last 10 to 15 years that he
has been in business.
He now only employ's himself and his son. He laid of his secretary a
few months back.
He told me that due to workmens compensation taxes, matching

SS# taxes and unemployment insurance taxes he can no longer
afford to hire anyone.
Wow what a great f8cking country uh?
I have another friend named Leonard who owns a mail shop. He

packages goods, ships them off for people and rents mail boxes.
Leonard has been self employed for over 20 years.

Leonard had four stores but has since shut down two of his stores.
Leonard had at least 8 people working for him not including his
wife, who runs one of Leonard's shop. He now has three part time
workers and is going to get it down to two.
Leonard told me he has to spend way to much time doing paper

work for the government i.e. the U.S. Post Office, the IRS, the state
etc... . He shut down his other stores and laid off four people over a
period of time because he didn't have the time nor the money to
commit to all of the government regualtions.
Wow what a great f8cking country uh?
Yes p8g since you live off of my wealth you owe me money and all
of you human parasites owe me alot of money. Pay me now or give
it back in lawsuits. My 20K won from this last lawsuit I filed was
just for starters and if i can't have my money then niether can you.
It is obvious that you are a coward and lair as you refuse to post a
name or prove your assertions. I owe a swine like you nothing and I
teach others how to tie p8gs like you up in court so that your time
is wasted.
People like me, al and TT will be here long after we get thru pissing
on your grave. The fight for freedom is never ending and it will
never end.
The freedom fighter must remain diligent and never give up his
freedom to a copster.
You want my money p8g ? Well come and get it porkey and you will
get to meet my little friend.
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GOD COP I think you should concentrate on fighting your Diabetes and other
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Matt1 I just figured out who Duncan reminds me off...John F'ing Kerry. He
Senior Member talks about his lawsuit as much as Kerry talks about Vietnam. No
wonder Duncan is such a liberal.
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10-09-2004 03:24 PM
duncan matt the liberal, he works for the state and supports the welfare
Moderator state for without welfare he would be on the streets with the rest of
us and like most liberals he never served in the military.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I have a pal named Dick who operates heavy equipment out of
Posts: 9006 Chyenne and he makes about $17 an hour. He has no money for a
pension or health insurance. His wife Kathy broke her foot and it
cost them upwards of 40K for medical expenses. Dick had a small
savings account.
I have another pal named Scott. Scott is a telephone technichian

who lives in Loveland. Scott has two girls and was forced to go into
business for himself as his last employer went bankrupt. No
pension, no health insurance, no savings and Scott has no idea how
he wills send his two girls thru college. Scott makes about $20 an
hour before taxes.
Why should these people be taxed to support scum like matt the
thug and godamn cop?

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Location: I teach others how to tie p8gs like you up in court
Posts: 44 so that your time is wasted.
Remember your quote the next time you b8tch about your tax
dollars being wasted. Good luck to you Duncan, keep on fighting
your fight, and we will keep winning!
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duncan We work hard for our money and with nothing to show for it
Moderator becuase of taxation which all goes to feed the fat faces of the p8gs
who post on our forum.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado But I won 20k and watched them fry the fascist p8g who sought to
Posts: 9006 persecute me.
Gee can you show us the protection at Columbine High copster?
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10-09-2004 04:19 PM
duncan I have a pal named Bob who lives in Rawlins and works as an
Moderator electrician.
Registered: Jul 2003 Bob was the journeyman I worked under when I was an apprentice.
Posts: 9006 Bob makes about $25 an hour and has no pension or savings or
health insurance and he never has. Bob found out that he has
throat cancer and he took an operation. The cancer is gone, but the
bill for it isn't gone. Bob now has a $50K hopsital bill which he won't
pay. Let the state eat this bill as the state took his money from
him, thus denying him health care.
Myselff and Bob both agree that when we are to old to work and are
close to living on the streets without any home or health care then
f*ck it we will start killing the very people who lived off of our
wealth while we worked to stay alive.
Hell we got nothing to lose so why not take these f8cks with us?
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10-09-2004 04:26 PM
6d wife Duncan, do you think the estimated 800,000 cops come anywhere
Senior Member close to the number of people on actuall welfare, I cant find any
actual hard numbers, but here is a reprt from CNN.com, about the
Registered: Sep 2004 number of people that have come off welfare:
Location: Somewhere DC
Posts: 137 December 16, 2000
Web posted at: 11:55 AM EST (1655 GMT)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Clinton said Saturday more

than 8 million people have left welfare during his presidency, a
nearly 60 percent drop in eight years that has brought welfare rolls
to their lowest level in 30 years.
If 8 mill is a 60% drop, than what must the actuall number be?
the estimated 800,000 police officers getting paid is not even a

drop in the barrel, why dont you bitch about the actual number of
people on welfare, they are eating more of your taxes than cops are.
The number of people on disability equals nearly 50 million, what

about them????
Age Group Total Population Total Population Reporting A Disability

5 Years Old And Older 49,746,248
5-15 Years Old 2,614,919
16-64 Years Old 33,153,211
65 Years Old And Older 13,978,118
as found on http://www.icdi.wvu.edu/disability/U.S%20Tables/US6.
htm
And how abou social security??????

Doing a quick search these are the numbers I have found, and they
come nowhere close to the number of cops in the U.S. I guarantee,
because I am very bad with numbers, that all of the 800,000
estimated cops being paid by the publics taxes account for less than
one percent of the total of all the U.S.'s working classes taxes as
opposed to the total cash handouts such as welfare and disability.
Now find something else to cry about.
10-09-2004 05:40 PM

dep340 quote:
Member
Location: we will start killing the very people who lived off
Posts: 44 of our wealth while we worked to stay alive.
You are so full of sh8t, why don't you stop running that d8cksucker
of yours. You know you don't have to b$lls to do anything. You talk
about killing cops all the time. Why didn't you do something when
you were getting your ticket, or better yet, when you had a gun on
your side while being arrested? What a pu$$y!
10-09-2004 05:46 PM
duncan wait and see if we are full of sh8t.

Moderator
if you want my money P8g come and get it.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado just add the number of cops to the other number of people on
Posts: 9006 welfare and you will have the total number of people on welfare, be
sure to include all government workers i.e. city, state, county,
federal and contractors for same.
There are over 300 million people in this nation only 120 million of
us are working. The rest are too old, too young, in jails and prisons,
going to school, or just too crippled and mentally ill to work.
Of those 120 million around 40 million all work for the government i.
e. federal, state. county and city governments. This ain't rocket
science ya stupid cow. Only 80 million people are working and get
taxed to support the other 220 million.
I don't care how many copsters there are on welfare compared to

the welfare moms who are on welfare. There are well over 800,000
thousands copsters in my country today that all work for the fed,
the states the counties and the cities.
I would much rather be taxed to help out some poor indigetn out
than to pay to have some swine f8ck me over and express his or
her hatred for me on a forum that isn't even thiers.
A society which has way to may people that work for the state or
are unemployed can't last for too much longer. You can't keep
borrowing money and taxing the 80 million who all work in the
private sector and expect that something isn't going to give. You
can't put all of us in those prisons you swine keeep building. You
can't make all of us pay for your extortion any longer.

Oh you might get a couple of us here and there and the more laws
and the more taxes you impose on us only causes our numbers to
grow. You swine will reap what you have sown and that day is near.
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10-09-2004 06:16 PM
duncan http://www.census.gov/Press-Release...nts/001531.html
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Registered: Jul 2003 "State and local governments employed 15.6 million “full-time
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado equivalent” workers in 2002, a 1.6 percent increase over 2001, the
Posts: 9006 U.S. Census Bureau reported today.'
Wow and this was two years ago.
"police protection (887,000) and corrections (702,000)"
These numbers don't include probation, parole and federal copsters.
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10-09-2004 06:20 PM
duncan http://govexec.com/features/0199/0199s1.htm
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"A more realistic headcount begins with the 1.9 million full-time
Registered: Jul 2003 permanent civilian federal workers who get their paychecks and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado identification cards from Uncle Sam. Add in the 1.5 million
Posts: 9006
uniformed military personnel and 850,000 U.S. Postal Service
workers who were counted in the federal workforce until their
department became a quasi-government corporation in 1970, and
the total full-time permanent federal workforce was just under 4.3
million in 1996, the last year for which good numbers are available
on both the visible and shadow federal workforce.'
These are old numbers and prior to 9/11.
This number does not include government contractors. This places

us well over 20 million human parasites that we are forced to feed.
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10-09-2004 06:25 PM
duncan "Add in the people who work under federal contracts and grants or
Moderator mandates imposed on state and local governments and the illusion
of smallness becomes clear. In 1996, the federal government's
Registered: Jul 2003 $200 billion in contracts created an estimated 5.6 million jobs, its
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado $55 billion in grants created another 2.4 million jobs, and its array
Posts: 9006
of mandates in such fields as air and water quality and health and
safety regulation encumbered another 4.7 million jobs in state,
county and municipal governments. Add these 12.7 million shadow
jobs to the 4.25 million civilian, military and postal jobs, and the
true size of government in 1996 expands to nearly 17 million, or
more than eight times larger than the standard headcount of 1.9
million used by Congress and the President to declare the era of big
government over. And the count does not even include the full-time
equivalent employment of the people who work on a part-time or
temporary basis for Uncle Sam--for example, the 884,000 members
of the military reserves."
Wow we quickly close in on 40 million and these numbers are over

eight years old.
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duncan When those of us in the private sector need a pay raise can we ask
Moderator the other taxpayers in the private sector to pay us for the raise we
need if the employer refuses to do so? No.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Why should government workers be any different?
Posts: 9006
Sorry if these people don't make enough money but so what, who
cares? I don't make enough money so can I tax them to support
me? Or rather how about i just keep my money and let the
government worker deal with his problems on his own as this is
what the government workers is doing to me. These parasites don't
pay my bills but rather I have to pay their bills with my tax dollars.
What good is the worthless service that these parasites provide if

we have no money after taxation to buy food or make a rent
payment ? How stupid to tax poor people and then tell them to get
food stamps or rental assistance and when they apply for it you
parasites tell them that there is no money.
Of course there is no money becuase it all went into the pocket of

the government workers who live off of poor working people. If
these copsters and welfare workers really gave a sh8t about people
then they would take a cut in their pay and be happy to even have
a job. And hey if they can't make enough money then there is
always food stamps and rental assistance.
I owe you swine nothing and if you over paid pukes ever end up on
the streets then good.
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10-09-2004 06:45 PM
duncan http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/...LG12000002.html
Moderator
The median expected salary for a typical Police Sergeant in the
Registered: Jul 2003 United States is $55,469.
Posts: 9006 http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/...Secu
rity
Gary, Indiana police SGT's $50,572, $57,521, $64,410
The median expected salary for a typical Police Patrol Officer in the
United States is $43,454.
Gary, Indiana $37,542, $45,062, $53,153
matt the thug lied again
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10-09-2004 06:55 PM

duncan And don't forget those free bennies.

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Free pension, health care, car, vacation, legal help etc.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Now ask your selves these questions. How much do I make and
Posts: 9006 what free bennies do I get as a worker in the private sector?
What does the government take from me in taxes and what is left
for me?
Where is the incentive to work if I can't keep my money nor have

any say in how the state spends my money?
Why do government workers make more than I do?
Take the gross of your income and then minus all of the taxes.
Federal Income taxes
State income taxes
SS# taxes
Medicare taxes
gas taxes
sales taxes
property taxes
car registration taxes
government fees
hidden taxes: like when the employer pays the other half of your
SS# tax, unemployment tax and workmens comp taxes. This all
drives up the cost of goods and services and reduces your gross
income.
Now ask your selves this question.
What am I getting in return for all of this taxation? Nothing.
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10-09-2004 07:04 PM
6d wife Arent you old enough for ss tax you geiser, dont complain when I
Senior Member am sure YOU recieve some of these taxes you gripe about.
Registered: Sep 2004 When I get old enough for ss your generation will have consumed
Location: Somewhere DC it, so where do you get off griping to me, if you dont like it, get in
Posts: 137 there and change it, OH yeah YOUR too good to do that.
Dont sit on your rear and complain about something you are
making no effort to fix.
10-09-2004 07:26 PM
duncan SS is not just a tax it is trust fund paid with my money and not
Moderator yours. So if i get My money back what the f8ck it is to you welfare
mom who doesn't pay this tax?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado most cops don't pay the SS# tax they get a free pension at
Posts: 9006 taxpayers expense.
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10-09-2004 08:00 PM
duncan Fixing it?

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Simple, stop working and stop paying taxes. Problem fixed.
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Matt1 quote:
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Location: Gary, Indiana police SGT's $50,572, $57,521,
Posts: 1818 $64,410
The median expected salary for a typical Police

Patrol Officer in the United States is $43,454.
Gary, Indiana $37,542, $45,062, $53,153
matt the thug lied again
What did I lie about? Looks like you are grabbing at straws Duncan.

Are you going to post the wages for every PD NW of Indianapolis

until you guess which one I work for?
10-10-2004 01:18 AM
GC Marciano Matt1 "works" for a backwater shithole. They obviously hire

Copwatcher Extraordinaire uneducated retards as cops and pay them what they're worth:
Barely enough to survive.
$21k/year.
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dep340 Al, you forgot my fries. I guess I will have to call the manager. The
Member next time I come to McDonalds I hope you will do better.
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Matt1 Where do you come up with 21K per year?

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Al, you forgot my fries. I guess I will have to
call the manager. The next time I come to
McDonalds I hope you will do better.
dip340, I'm certain that even someone as mentally

incapacitated as yourself can come up with a better response
than that, can't you? Originality is just not your thing, huh?
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quote:

Where do you come up with 21K per year?
Calm down Matt1. No need to get embarassed. Nobody here is

laughing at you.
Sorry, I just noticed the part where you said that you're also a
part-time security guard.
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duncan You lied about yer salary stupid.

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read your own lie
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The average income of all IN copsters, and the low end is the
Posts: 9006 starting salary of all copster in Indiana, is over $37K, thus you lied
stupid.
All you have to do is name the town you work in to prove me wrong.
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Exterminator My check is $2789.95 every two weeks after taxes, minus holiday
Senior Member pay and overtime. Federal, State, City, Social Security Taxes are
taken out and so are my health benefits. You're such a kollidge whiz
Location: go figure what my annual base salary is.
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10-10-2004 09:25 PM

duncan yer welfare check is more than matt the thugs and cops don't pay
Moderator taxes they live off of taxes like commies.
Registered: Jul 2003 I thought you hated commies ya punk? I guess you lied.
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Posts: 1818 Sorry, I just noticed the part where you said that
you're also a part-time security guard.
Only during the holidays or during special occasions. But businesses

pay $23 per hour when I work security for them. Not bad for a part
time gig.
10-12-2004 09:02 AM

duncan wow now the human parasite takes work away from people in the
Moderator private sector.
Registered: Jul 2003 is this an admission that private copsters are better than the public
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado pukes?
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10-12-2004 12:34 PM
lawdawg Sure we compete in the private sector for security work....it's funny
Member though how we get paid two to three times as much as a security
guard who's not a cop.....private sector must agree that we are
better at it than just a plain old security guard.
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Posts: 33 knights of olde, there are those among our ranks that abuse their
position and disregard their oath and commit crimes under the "color
of law". Those of us that try to live the code day to day view these
excuses for human beings as worse than any criminal we have ever
dealt with. Fortunately they are the exception rather than the rule.
But, just as in any other endeavor, the negative is always more vivid
and remembered much longer than the positive. That is just how it is
and there is no changing it.
10-12-2004 01:18 PM

duncan "Sure we compete in the private sector for security work....it's funny
Moderator though how we get paid two to three times as much as a security
guard who's not a cop.....private sector must agree that we are
Registered: Jul 2003 better at it than just a plain old security guard."
Posts: 9006 No you don't. In the private serctor there is always choices based on
if a person needs and can affrod a service. In your socialist sector
there is no choice we are forced to pay the tax or lose our homes.
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10-12-2004 02:51 PM
Squeek I make a little more than exterminator and I pay all taxes just like
Member everybody else plus I pay property taxes for my home, school (my
kids are grown productive professionals with their own families) and
Registered: Apr 2004 water taxes. paying all these taxes is like double jeopardy because
Location: unlike the private sector workers many that are safe in their offices
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behind theirs desks answering phones, answering customers
questions and pushing pencils. I and all other officers and volunteers
put our lives on the line everyday assisting stupid ignorant crabby
people like you that find everything wrong with the world. I'm also a
volunteer with our community's fire and ambulance corp. I don't get
paid for my sevices and I pay for all of my uniforms and equipment. I
give of my time and myself and I feel great about it. I will continue
volunteering til I'm physically unable to do so. I've recieved many
serious injuries over the years from working both places and unlike
you I can still see the world in a positive way. you and your
supporters are just disatsified with their lives and come here to bash
those who selflessly give of themselves. when I came here I really
thought this was a pro gun site site but found out real quick it was a
place that serves up hate for civil servants who are police officers.
btw there are just as many even more firemen paid and voluntary

who are guilty of of these crimes and criminal activities you post in
this forum. the bottom line we are all human and nobody's perfect
especially you. you should think about these two quotes "he who is
without sin let them cast the first stone" and "if you are lukewarm I
will vomit you from my mouth."
10-13-2004 12:57 AM
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This is definitely one of your most intelligent responses yet. Be proud

Al.
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this coming from an a proud convict and recidivist boasting of
having committed more than 70 felonies and countless more
misdemeanors. talk about milking the state and taxpayers who
do you think paid for your arrest, incarceration, prison (upkeep
food, clothing, medical, education - which i seriously doubt,
plus paid you a salary for cleaning toilets which is your forte),
and now your again milking the taxpayers even more by being
on parole, collecting welfare, using the internet to beg for
funds. so tell us how you are contributing member of society
you useless turd.
10-13-2004 02:24 PM
GC Marciano The string of lies that the coward hiding behind the alias "squeek"
Copwatcher Extraordinaire just posted proves the depths of her ignorance, desperation and
stupidity.
Maybe squeek and dip340 should go out and look for a real job
together.
It's pretty funny how everytime a pig feels trapped by the truth
they resort to making up a string of outrageous lies about the
person who knows the truth about their worthless asses.
Location: Chicago, Illinois I never thought a group of retarded pigs could be such a source
Posts: 9967 of entertainment! The dumbfucks sure are persistent. They won't
quit until they have proven each and every point I have made
about them. Great job!
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duncan I pay all taxes just like everybody else plus I pay property
Moderator taxes for my home, school (my kids are grown productive
professionals with their own families) and water taxes.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado No you only return a small portion of your tax cosnuming income,
Posts: 9006 thus you are not tax payer you are a tax consumer.
What if we all worked for the government?
There would be no one for you to feed off of.
If you are a tax consumer then you are in fact a socialist who
supports the taxation of another persons labor.
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10-13-2004 10:57 PM
dep340 quote:
Member
Location: Maybe squeek and dip340 should go out and look
Posts: 44 for a real job together.
Could you put in a good word for us at McDonalds?

10-14-2004 01:44 AM
duncan Wow the human parasite now demeans a group of people who pay
Moderator his salary.
Registered: Jul 2003 So p8g why don't you go to a local McDonalds and spout off this crap
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado to their faces?
Posts: 9006
So you never worked as a teenager? You just sat around on yer fat
ass watching those stupid cop shows and now you sit around on your
fat ass becuase you are one of those stupid cops.
I was watching the life's story of the guy who had founded McDonalds
on the history channel. He was just a paper cup salesman druing the
depression when he started out. A comment was made that
something like 6 out of every 10 americans had worked for
McDonalds at one time in their lives. But then you never worked in
the private sector have you p8g?
Teenagers who work for Mac Donalds offer more service to the public
in one day than you do in your entire life as a tax consuming puke.
You live off of the wealth fo the little burger flipper and thus you are
beneath that 16 year old pimple faced kid who just served you that
cheese burger you sucked down while on duty.
So how does it feel to be lower than a hash slinging 16 year old kid
who works for MacDonalds ya filthy p8g?
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dep340 quote:
Member
Location: So p8g why don't you go to a local McDonalds and
Posts: 44 spout off this crap to their faces?
Have you even read any of the post between me and Al regarding
McDonalds?
Why should I have even asked, it's obvious from your rambling
response that you haven't. You are without a doubt to closed minded
to find any sarcasm or humor in the post. Why don't you go out and
try to have a little fun. You can take five from trying to screw over
cops and politicians. Good luck to you Duncan!
10-14-2004 03:23 PM
GC Marciano dip340's jealousy shines almost as bright as Matt1's. Don't worry

Copwatcher Extraordinaire boys, maybe someday you will be able to have a real job. Hell,
even McDonalds would be a step up for you retards.
they are so upset that they are lowly public servants and the
majority of the populace despises their worthless, ignorant asses.
Thats why they make comments like the ones you find above by
dip340. Poor little man.
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Texastwister1 Yesssssssssss and another victory for the puppetmaster over the dip
Senior Member deputy.
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10-14-2004 06:39 PM
dep340 quote:
Member
Location: they are so upset that they are lowly public
Posts: 44 servants and the majority of the populace despises
their worthless, ignorant asses.
Sorry, if I was upset about it I would quit and get a job in

surveillance. Then I could spy on people and illegaly violate
someones right to privacy. Then I could come to this website and try
and protect peoples rights. Sound familiar? I could keep that
dangerous spouse who cheats on his/her significant other by
conducting surveillance operations. But surely that would be violating
a citizens rights. Now tell me Al, would you tap a phone or hack into
a computer to get the information you need to get a nice paycheck?
How far will you take your surreptitious surveillance to get what you
need? Please explain to me why you think you are better than any
police officer?
10-14-2004 06:57 PM
duncan Well the fact that you live off or wealth and don't pay any taxes is
Moderator upsetting to everyone who works in the private sector.
Registered: Jul 2003 No one likes a leach and a scumbag who refuses to get a job.
Posts: 9006 Then I could spy on people and illegaly violate someones right
to privacy.
Why quit? You do this already ya lying f8ck.
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10-14-2004 08:39 PM
dep340 Glad to see you agree with my previous post Duncan. So tell us how
Member you feel about Al and his employment. Do you agree with his
surveillance tactics to earn a paycheck? Do you think that since he is
Registered: Sep 2004 in the private investigation biz that it makes it alright for him to
Location: deceive people and spy on people? Please answer this without being
Posts: 44
the hypocritical bast8rd that you are.
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duncan No one likes a leach and a scumbag who refuses to get a job.
Moderator
So you finally admit to being a leach and a scumbag. This we can
Registered: Jul 2003 both agree on.
Posts: 9006 Al works in the private sector and provides a service to the public
you don't. The mechanic TT works in the private sector and
provides a service to the public you don't. People who work for
MacDonalds provide a service to the community and you don't. In a
free society people can either choose these private services or not.
In a fascist society people have no say in what you provide which of
course is nothing.
So do you think it is alright that people be made to pay for your

worhtless service and then have no say in the matter?
If the kid in your nieghborhood takes it upon himself to mow your

lawn and did so with our your permission are you obligated to pay

him? Nope. Why then should we be any different in the way that we
treat you? Why should we be obligated to pay for a service we did
not consent to?
If you don't want Al's services then don't hire him. We don't want
your services so leave us alone and leave the forum p8g.
Does it bother you that Al does the same thing you do as a p8gster
because you hate the competition of the private sector? People
would soon figure out that you swine want the monopoly on spying
and tapping of phones and rid their communites of copsters like you.
I'd tap yer phone in heart beat p8g and hire Al to do it. I would be
treating you swine the way you treat others and thus you have
nothing to whine about prokey. Go cry to your mama not me.
Just answer my questions you hypocritical welfare swine.
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10-15-2004 10:55 AM

PPB8881 AL couldn't investigate his way out of a paper bag.

Member

Location: CA PPB
Posts: 590 USMC:sniper:
10-15-2004 02:52 PM
duncan Yer the dummy who is supporting a draft dodger for prez and you
Moderator call yourself a Marine.
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10-15-2004 05:57 PM
Exterminator duncan you're always bitchin' about others livin off your wealth you
Senior Member know that's pure bullsh8t!
Registered: Apr 2004 The only income you have is Social Security Disability Benefits that
Location: you didn't even work for! You have the unmitigated gall to plunk
Posts: 400 down the SSI cash which rightfully belongs to those people who
work hard for their money in spite of injuries or illness. Many people
are way too proud to accept SSI which they've rightfully earned
unlike you who parks your fat ass on TWO BARSTOOLS at
Washington's Bar every day guzzling beer and boiler makers (oh
the poor sick disabled man!) and dropping more than half of your
monthly check at titty bars while boozed up! All an SSI Inspector
has to do is monitor your actions while you're at these dives and

you'll be cut off quicker than sh8t.
Sh8t or get off the pot! You KNOW you don't work!
Notice how quickly fatso shut his sewer trap about being a
volunteer fireman? No department would have his fat ass as a
fireman with all of the health problems his fat ass claims, he'd be
considered a LIABILTY and his SSI bennies would STOP! If he could
function as a fire fighter then his fatass CAN WORK! He LOVES
posting in cyberspace, trying to build himself up to be a
SOMEBODY, when he's not posting gibberish he's boozing up and
trying to grope the sluts at those seedy strip joints. What a pathetic
LOSER!
10-16-2004 02:48 AM
PPB8881 I'm voting for myself ****HOLE.

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10-16-2004 07:22 PM
duncan "duncan you're always bitchin' about others livin off your wealth
Moderator you know that's pure bullsh8t!'
Registered: Jul 2003 Yer the one living off the wealth of others not me stupid, thus you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado are bull****. By living off of taxes you are the flaming liberal that
Posts: 9006 you pretend to hate. You are the leftist commie that you pretned
not ot be. Communism means working for the state and taxing the
many for the gratification of the few, which of course is you. I don't
work for the state nor do i get my money form the state. The state
has no money of its own what it has is other peoples money which
it stole by means of coercion. You can't steal from thief you can
only retrieve your money from a thief.
"The only income you have is Social Security Disability Benefits that
you didn't even work for!"
Another lie and can you support this lie with any proof? SS# is a
tax that those who work in the private of us are forced to pay, thus
it is our money and not yours or the states. I have worked for over
thirty years of my life with 30 of it in the private sector. I held my
first job at the age of 15 in the private sector at a fast food
restuarant. I have worked construction, labor, management etc. all
in the private sector. You have never worked in your life you are
copster who is on the tax dole. You have my money P8g and I want

it all back to include interest and penalties. One way or antherr you
commie f8cks are gonna pay it all back.
"You have the unmitigated gall to plunk down the SSI cash which
rightfully belongs to those people who work hard for their money in
spite of injuries or illness.'
I do? News to me since I work and you don't. You have the gall to
spit on the people who pay your salary you lazy good for nothing
punk. I was forced to pay the evil SS# tax and i work hard for my
money only to see it go to swine like you who hate me and what i
stand for which is freedom from your police state.
Not on my watch f8ck face and you will pay all of that money back
one way or antoehr trust me.
"Many people are way too proud to accept SSI"
Unlike you uh parasite the guy who lives off of the working class
and accepts his tax paid for check every week without having done
a thing to deserve it. Pathetic swine all he ahs left is his lies. His
threats didn't work and i still wipe my ass with the facist flag of
perseciution which stands the theft of other peoples money.
"which they've rightfully earned unlike "
I rightfully earn my money in the private sector and your fasict

state steals it from me every week and they call it a SS# tax. You
eanred your money by means of theft and deception. No one asked
for your worthless service p8g and no one has any need of it. You
are nothing but a human parasite living off of working people like
me. Get a f8cking job loser and stop beign a commie.
"you who parks your fat ass on TWO BARSTOOLS at Washington's

Bar every day guzzling beer and boiler makers (oh the poor sick
disabled man!)"
Everyday liar? How would you know you are to much of coward to
face me like a man you are after all an evil copster who needs ten
p8gs just like to kick my fat ass. I'll bet I can find you at the VFW
everyday drinking your self silly and playing bingo on the tax
payers expense.
"and dropping more than half of your monthly check at titty bars
while boozed up! All an SSI Inspector has to do is monitor your
actions while you're at these dives and you'll be cut off quicker than
sh8t."
Is the best you got punk? Lies? and by lying you have agian lost the
debate.
"Sh8t or get off the pot! You KNOW you don't work!"
Yea why don't you? Get job you lazy f8ck and stop living off of my
tax dollars ya commie swine.

"Notice how quickly fatso shut his sewer trap about being a
volunteer fireman?"
You never did tell us who you are so and they never heard of you
up Rist Canyon but they have heard of me where I am a volunteer
FF. Funny how you waited so long to bring this up why?
"No department would have his fat ass as a fireman with all of the
health problems his fat ass claims, he'd be considered a LIABILTY
and his SSI bennies would STOP! If he could function as a fire
fighter then his fatass CAN WORK! He LOVES posting in cyberspace,
trying to build himself up to be a SOMEBODY, when he's not posting
gibberish he's boozing up and trying to grope the sluts at those
seedy strip joints. What a pathetic LOSER! "
Gee i must not be on SSI if i am volunteer FF. is this why you had
to lie? How come so many deputies hang out at the Clowns Den?
Why was Bob short found so often at the Hunt club with his pal
Officer Michelson?
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10-16-2004 07:59 PM

dep340 quote:
Member
Registered: Sep 2004 Sorry, if I was upset about it I would quit and get
Location: a job in surveillance. Then I could spy on people
Posts: 44 and illegaly violate someones right to privacy.
Then I could come to this website and try and
protect peoples rights. Sound familiar? I could
keep that dangerous spouse who cheats on his/
her significant other by conducting surveillance
operations. But surely that would be violating a
citizens rights. Now tell me Al, would you tap a
phone or hack into a computer to get the
information you need to get a nice paycheck?
How far will you take your surreptitious
surveillance to get what you need? Please explain
to me why you think you are better than any
police officer?
Still waiting for an answer, Al.
10-17-2004 09:59 PM
PPB8881 DEP,
Member Albert can't handle being backed into a corner he's like a kid
when you catch him in some bul**** he starts calling you a liar
Registered: Jun 2004 and calling you names. AL's got little man sindrome he's small
Location: CA in all ways so he acts like a jackass here to try and make up for
Posts: 590
it. Don't even sweat him I just mess with him and he thinks i'm
serious. He'll never answer your questions but expect you to
answer all of his and when you don't he thinks your hiding
something.
HE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
PPB
USMC:sniper:
10-17-2004 10:18 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by dip340
Please explain to me why you think you are
better than any police officer?
1) I don't feed from the tax trough.

2) I work for my paycheck.
3) I expose the criminals behind the badge, you protect them.
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duncan Please tell us why you as a copster think that you are better than
Moderator us since you are the one living off of us?
Registered: Jul 2003 You are lower than a burger flipper and how does this make you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado feel?
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10-18-2004 11:31 AM
Senior Member
Registered: May 2004 Please tell us why you as a copster think that you
Location: are better than us since you are the one living off
Posts: 1744 of us?
You are lower than a burger flipper and how does

this make you feel?
I have more respect for the guy flipping burgers than I do a

worthless criminal, taxrobbing copster.
Copsters always want somthing for nothing.
10-18-2004 05:43 PM
pegleg Hi guys. I honestly didn't read all the mudslingin on the thread, so
Member sorry if this is off topic, but here it goes:
Registered: May 2006 I make a little over $100,000 a year.

Location:
05-12-2006 03:00 PM

Mack Does that include stealing/reselling drugs and extorting prostitutes,

Assistant Moderator or do you keep that income off the books?
Assuming you're telling the truth, imagine what you might be able
to make if you actually did something useful.
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pegleg quote:
Member
Originally posted by Mack
Registered: May 2006 Does that include stealing/reselling drugs and
Location: extorting prostitutes, or do you keep that income
Posts: 47 off the books?
Assuming you're telling the truth, imagine what

you might be able to make if you actually did
something useful.
That's just what is on my W-2. As far as "how much could I make",

well, it's better to happy with what you have than trying to keep up
with the Jones's.
I did do something "useful" (I think as this board would collectively

define it) before becoming an officer, and luckily it allowed me to
make some good investments.
If you are using your post to express your unhappiness with the
police wages around the country I would have to say you are
correct, police are generally underpaid.

05-12-2006 04:32 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by pegleg
If you are using your post to express your
unhappiness with the police wages around the
country I would have to say you are correct,
police are generally underpaid.
Then if we follow the general laws of economics (free-market,

Location: Tucson, AZ the only viable kind), the fact that cops are underpaid relative
Posts: 5865 to other segments of the workforce indicates that the market
value of their services is low relative to other goods and
services produced in other sectors of the economy.
Sounds to me like an incentive to do something else that brings

greater productivity and more efficiently uses resources. On the
other hand, from what you've described of yourself so far, it
sounds like you had a rather rewarding career in some other
field and then at some point in life decided you wanted to do
something different. I'll assume (giving you the benefit of the
doubt), that perhaps you've decided on LE as a "retirement"
type of career; in other words, you don't really need to rely on
the LE salary you earn as primary income, but do it because
you get personal satisfaction out of it. If that's an accurate
description, then that's an interesting career choice you've
made. In fact, I can actually see some potential merit in having
cops on the force who aren't tempted by corruption that low LE
salaries make almost inevitable (BTW, there are market
solutions to this problem that I'll discuss in another venue at
length at a future time).
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05-12-2006 04:43 PM
Mack quote:
Assistant Moderator
That's just what is on my W-2.
Assuming you're telling the truth, how many hours/year does that
represent?
Location: And no, I am not really concerned by the claim that cops are
Posts: 5215 underpaid.
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pegleg [QUOTE]Originally posted by liberranter

Member Then if we follow the general laws of economics (free-
market, the only viable kind), the fact that cops are
Registered: May 2006 underpaid relative to other segments of the workforce
Location: indicates that the market value of their services is low
Posts: 47
relative to other goods and services produced in other
sectors of the economy.
Well, that is an argument. I suppose the same goes for our

teachers and social wokers, but even more so. Of course, these
assumptions assume our "rational consumer" automatons work only
for their pay, not for job satisfaction.
... On the other hand, from what you've described of yourself

so far, it sounds like you had a rather rewarding career in
some other field and then at some point in life decided you
wanted to do something different ... you don't really need to

rely on the LE salary you earn as primary income, but do it

because you get personal satisfaction out of it....
In essence what you stated is correct. I don't think I could retrire

today without a job, but I'm certainly on track for a comfortable
retirement. I do get personal satisfaction from my job, however,
the pay is not too shabby either. I guess this is a reflection of my
local economy viewing my profession as something meritting high
(er) pay.
05-12-2006 05:03 PM
pegleg quote:
Member
Registered: May 2006 Assuming you're telling the truth, how many
Location: hours/year does that represent?
Posts: 47
That is my base pay without overtime, so 52*40=2080.
05-12-2006 05:05 PM
Mack What's your rank, and how many years do you have in?
Assistant Moderator
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Member
Registered: May 2006 What's your rank, and how many years do you
Location: have in?
Posts: 47
I really don't want to reveal too many of my specific details, but I

am an officer, and that is not the starting salary.
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Mack I'm shocked and dismayed if you're a regular officer getting that
Assistant Moderator without overtime.
You must have one hell of a union.
I'm adamantly opposed to allowing public employees to unionize.

It's nothing but a license to steal.
We're going to start focusing more closely on the outrages

perpetrated by police unions.
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Registered: May 2006 I'm shocked and dismayed if you're a regular
Location: officer ....
Posts: 47
Please, I'm not a regular officer, I'm an EXCEPTIONAL officer
05-12-2006 05:47 PM
Mack What are the minimum qualifications there?

Assistant Moderator
High school, 2 year, 4 year degrees?
Age?
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pegleg quote:
Member
Registered: May 2006 What are the minimum qualifications there?
Location:
Posts: 47 High school, 2 year, 4 year degrees?
Age?
Minimum qualifications to apply are:
60 credits, 21 y/o
Keep in mind there are pay incentives for higher educational

achievement.
05-12-2006 06:02 PM
GC Marciano GED, obviously.

He claims he's a cop, that right there diminishes any credibility.
Just look at their reputation.
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Rylan In this state, the hardest qualification for becoming a state trooper
Senior Member is a GED. Once you become a state trooper you get:
Registered: May 2006 - $45,418 (max of $71,300)

Location: - off duty state issued vehicle (and fuel)
Posts: 931 - overtime pay
- hazardous duty pay
- $15.45 daily meal allowance
- 12 vacation days
- 3 personal days
- 15 sick days
- 12 holidays
- uniform with free dry cleaning
- HUD discount mortgages
05-12-2006 08:48 PM
pegleg http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos160.htm#training
Member
Just a link with some national averages.
Posts: 47
05-15-2006 07:44 PM
GC Marciano quote:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos160.htm#training:
People depend on police officers and

detectives to protect their lives and property.
Notice the page neglects to mention how the police miserably

fail at this.
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It's a website produced by the government so I wouldn't expect
it to contain any honesty.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Notice the page neglects to mention how the
police miserably fail at this.
It's a website produced by the government so

I wouldn't expect it to contain any honesty.

Yet notice that oinkersters will treat it as if it is the Ark of the
Posts: 5865 Covenant.
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pegleg quote:
Member
Registered: May 2006 Yet notice that oinkersters will treat it as if it is
Location: the Ark of the Covenant.
Posts: 47
Actually, I posted the link because I thought it might be pertinent

tothis thread.
As I posted before, police living in higher cost of living areas can

make much more than the national averages.
05-17-2006 12:31 PM
GC Marciano quote:
As I posted before, police living in higher cost
of living areas can make much more than the
national averages.
True, just as an employee of McDonalds in Beverly Hills can

make three times more than one in Detroit.
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Registered: May 2006 True, just as an employee of McDonalds in
Location: Beverly Hills can make three times more than one
Posts: 47 in Detroit.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Michigan $5.15
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#California $6.75
Eh, maybe 1.3 times as much, but your point is taken.
05-17-2006 03:38 PM
duncan You can never under pay a copster as copsters never work.
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I make over 30k a year, but unlike a cop I work
hard for it. It would be nice to sit on my ass like a
Registered: Jul 2005 heavily-armed coward, fucking people over for
Location: 60k/year.
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Dang I wish I made 30k a year but Im just a gas station securty
guard and i didnt gradated high school. I was thnking of geting my
GED but the test looks so dang hard.
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Matt1 quote:
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Originally posted by Rylan
Registered: Feb 2004 In this state, the hardest qualification for
Location: becoming a state trooper is a GED. Once you
Posts: 1818 become a state trooper you get:
- $45,418 (max of $71,300)

- off duty state issued vehicle (and fuel)
- overtime pay
- hazardous duty pay
- $15.45 daily meal allowance
- 12 vacation days
- 3 personal days
- 15 sick days
- 12 holidays
- uniform with free dry cleaning
- HUD discount mortgages
What state are you in?
07-16-2007 02:39 PM

duncan That's what the slobs make here in Wyoming, which is the least
Moderator populated state in amerika.
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07-17-2007 12:12 AM
Matt1 Sounds like I need to move to Wyoming

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07-17-2007 01:27 PM
duncan Sounds like you need to get a job in the private sector and stop
Moderator being a tax consuming parasite.
Registered: Jul 2003 Please give us our money back tax comsumer. We need to to pay
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado for things like health care. Our money was stolen by the state and
Posts: 9006 then used to pay for your health care, retirement pension, paid
vacations etc... .
We never asked for your services they have been forced upon us by
the state and thugs like you. All we ask is to be left alone and
allowed to keep the money we earn from our labors. Is this to much
to ask for copscum?
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07-17-2007 09:14 PM
duncan Please give us our money back tax comsumer. We need to to pay
Moderator for things like health care. Our money was stolen by the state and
then used to pay for your health care, retirement pension, paid
Registered: Jul 2003 vacations etc... .
Posts: 9006 We never asked for your services they have been forced upon us by
the state and thugs like you. All we ask is to be left alone and
allowed to keep the money we earn from our labors. Is this to much
to ask for copscum?
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07-18-2007 03:11 AM
duncan Do the ethical thing a give the money back to the people that you
Moderator have been living off of during your career as a tax consming
copster. When you can do this then you can call your self a good
Registered: Jul 2003 cop.
Posts: 9006 Taking of anothers property without that persons consent is theft.
Would you agree? Knowingly accepting stolen property is also theft?
No one consented to the taxation, thus making taxes just another
kind of theft with coercion added in to make it even worse than
common theft. As a tax nxonsumer you are nothing more than a
thief who.
When the state gives me back all of my money and stops taking
any more of it then I can be free to return to working for money.
For the time being I work for freedom and it doesn't pay me a
dime. Not working for money means that you and yours won't be
getting a dime form me
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09-17-2007 08:36 PM

Thawed Who Cares?

Member
Why does anyone worry about what someone else makes. I'm sure
Registered: Sep 2007 everyone here makes less than they should, Right! Worry about
Location:
Posts: 32 yourself and not someone else. Some of you need to get out of the
Free Cheese Line and get a job anyway!!
09-18-2007 12:18 PM
liberranter Re: Who Cares?

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by Thawed
Why does anyone worry about what someone

else makes. I'm sure everyone here makes
less than they should, Right! Worry about
yourself and not someone else. Some of you
need to get out of the Free Cheese Line and
Registered: Jun 2005 get a job anyway!!
Posts: 5865
We care because cops are public-sector employees, paid

with money purloined from the citizens. Ergo, we the
citizens have an absolute right to know how much of that stolen
money is being used to pay the people who are hired to oppress
us. If cops or their supporters are so sensitive to the idea that
information about their (pathetic, but undeserved) salaries are
so readily accessible by the public, then let them get jobs in the
private sector where they produce goods and services paid for
voluntarily by customers who actually want said goods and
services, where they are not dependent upon the content of the
public treasury. OTOH, if these people were capable of such
work, they wouldn't be cops to begin with, so I guess they'll
just have to "grin, bend over, and bear it", knowing that any
curious citizen with the time and inclination can find out exactly
what they're earning and complain loudly (and justifiably) about
what a waste it is.
Excuse me, but I have to get back to work now. A lot of

worthless public-sector employees are depending on the tax
money my next few hours of labor will produce.
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09-18-2007 12:42 PM
Thawed Re: Re: Who Cares?

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quote:
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We care because cops are public-sector
employees, paid with money purloined from the
citizens. Ergo, we the citizens have an absolute
right to know how much of that stolen money is
being used to pay the people who are hired to
oppress us. If cops or their supporters are so
sensitive to the idea that information about their
(pathetic, but undeserved) salaries are so readily
accessible by the public, then let them get jobs in
the private sector where they produce goods and
services paid for voluntarily by customers who
actually want said goods and services, where they
are not dependent upon the content of the public
treasury. OTOH, if these people were capable of
such work, they wouldn't be cops to begin with,
so I guess they'll just have to "grin, bend over,
and bear it", knowing that any curious citizen
with the time and inclination can find out exactly
what they're earning and complain loudly (and
justifiably) about what a waste it is.
Excuse me, but I have to get back to work now. A

lot of worthless public-sector employees are
depending on the tax money my next few hours
of labor will produce.

By your statement, you are either unemployed or you are using

Company Time and Pay to do private surfing on the Net. Which one
is it? If it is the latter then You are sucking the Private Sector tit!
Guess that's okay for you, Right?
09-18-2007 01:13 PM
CSMALLO Re: Re: Re: Who Cares?

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By your statement, you are either unemployed or
you are using Company Time and Pay to do
private surfing on the Net. Which one is it? If it is
the latter then You are sucking the Private Sector
tit! Guess that's okay for you, Right?
Unless he owns his own business. In any case in the private sector,
his boss pays him as part of a voluntary agreement. The pay given
to worthless government employees is money taken by force from
those who create and produce.
09-18-2007 01:25 PM
Thawed Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Cares?

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quote:
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Originally posted by CSMALLO
Posts: 32
Unless he owns his own business. In any case in
the private sector, his boss pays him as part of a
voluntary agreement. The pay given to worthless
government employees is money taken by force
from those who create and produce.
What a bunch of Crap. If an employee is doing anything but what

he was hired for, he/she is stealing time which is money to an
employer.
Teachers are tax payer funded , are they included in your comment
concerning government employees?

09-18-2007 02:50 PM
liberranter Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Cares?

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quote:
What a bunch of Crap. If an employee is doing

anything but what he was hired for, he/she is
stealing time which is money to an employer.

Posts: 5865
In the private sector, what constitutes "theft" or "misuse of
resources" is entirely up to the business owner. If an employee
can effectively satisfy customer needs for the employer and
maintain the bottom line while doing other, non-work related
things without costing the company resources or profit, then
most employers probably wouldn't care. If they did care, all well
and good too; fire the employee who surfs the web even as he
closes the biggest contract deal in the company's history - it's
the boss's call. It all depends on the philosophy of the
employer, who is the business owner (again, businesses being
private property). The employer, after all, foots the expenses
of the firm and if they decide that certain costs in time,
opportunity, or resources are absorbable --or not--, then that's
that.
The public sector, on the other hand, is funded not with private
funds, but public funds, which we are forced to pay for whether
or not we derive anything of value (or anything at all) from
their expenditure. Ergo, those in charge of public resources are
bound by both law and accepted ethics to allocate said
resources ONLY to their stated purpose. All else is conflict of
interest.
quote:
Teachers are tax payer funded , are they

included in your comment concerning
government employees?
Yes, absolutely. The vast majority of public school teachers and

administrators are like cops: ignorant, semi-literate dolts who

would be working within the private sector if they were even

close to competent in their field. It is a well-known fact that
those high school graduates who go on to college to major in
"edukayshun" are those who score at the bottom of the SATs
and who are incapable of majoring in any subject that demands
intellectual rigor. In fact, some of the best, most skilled, and
most effective teachers have been those with no "edukayshun"
background at all, but who know the subject they teach inside
out, backwards, forwards, and in their sleep and who can
transmit their knowledge to others without heavy injections of
psychobabble. These are the type of people who are sought
after as private tutors, instructors at private-sector vocational
and technical colleges, and at private prep schools across the
nation, places where students are actually committed to
learning, in contrast to the day prisons in which millions of
apathetic, neglected kids are sent to be babysat each day.
To put an even finer point on it, "teachers" in the nation's public

schools are no more "sacred cows" than cops or other "public
servants" and their mission is much better and more effectively
served by the private sector at less cost to the citizenry.
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09-18-2007 07:55 PM

Thawed Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Cares?

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In the private sector, what constitutes "theft" or

"misuse of resources" is entirely up to the
business owner. If an employee can effectively
satisfy customer needs for the employer and
maintain the bottom line while doing other, non-
work related things without costing the company
resources or profit, then most employers probably
wouldn't care. If they did care, all well and good
too; fire the employee who surfs the web even as
he closes the biggest contract deal in the
company's history - it's the boss's call. It all
depends on the philosophy of the employer, who
is the business owner (again, businesses being
private property). The employer, after all, foots
the expenses of the firm and if they decide that
certain costs in time, opportunity, or resources
are absorbable --or not--, then that's that.
The public sector, on the other hand, is funded

not with private funds, but public funds, which we
are forced to pay for whether or not we derive
anything of value (or anything at all) from their
expenditure. Ergo, those in charge of public
resources are bound by both law and accepted
ethics to allocate said resources ONLY to their
stated purpose. All else is conflict of interest.
Yes, absolutely. The vast majority of public school

teachers and administrators are like cops:
ignorant, semi-literate dolts who would be
working within the private sector if they were
even close to competent in their field. It is a well-
known fact that those high school graduates who
go on to college to major in "edukayshun" are
those who score at the bottom of the SATs and
who are incapable of majoring in any subject that
demands intellectual rigor. In fact, some of the
best, most skilled, and most effective teachers
have been those with no "edukayshun"
background at all, but who know the subject they
teach inside out, backwards, forwards, and in
their sleep and who can transmit their knowledge

to others without heavy injections of

psychobabble. These are the type of people who
are sought after as private tutors, instructors at
private-sector vocational and technical colleges,
and at private prep schools across the nation,
places where students are actually committed to
learning, in contrast to the day prisons in which
millions of apathetic, neglected kids are sent to
be babysat each day.
To put an even finer point on it, "teachers" in the

nation's public schools are no more "sacred
cows" than cops or other "public servants" and
their mission is much better and more effectively
served by the private sector at less cost to the
citizenry.
Do you mean Edukashun ?
09-18-2007 08:26 PM
duncan "Why does anyone worry about what someone else makes. I'm sure
Moderator everyone here makes less than they should, Right! Worry about
yourself and not someone else. Some of you need to get out of the
Registered: Jul 2003 Free Cheese Line and get a job anyway!!"
Posts: 9006 We only concern oursleves with tax consumers and why wouldn't
we since it is our money that they are living off of? Otherwise we
could care less what others make or don't make. Why don't you
worry aobut your own self instead of worrying about us? Practice
what you preach copsucker.
Exactly, get all copscukers and all state employees off the free
cheese line and yes my position includes all of those who live off
others that call themselves government employees.
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Mansruin Probable Cause

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Okay.. here's my situation.. It's a long and convaluted story but I'll try to keep it as
brief as possbile so please bear with me.
My question pertains to the 4th Amendment and exactly what constitutes "probable
cause" enough to search a person.
Registered: Jul 2007 Here's what happened. My boyfriend and I went to visit a friend of ours who lives in a
Location: Palm Springs, Ca gated community. Upon arriving at his house we found that there was no place to
Posts: 6 park directly in front so we drove a house or two down and parked across the street.
When my boyfriend got on his cellular phone to call our friend and let him know we
were there he informed us that he wasn't there yet but instructed us to wait there for
him that he would be along in around 10 minutes or so.
During this phone conversation between my boyfriend and our friend I noticed a
police car drive extremely slow as he passed our car. I told my boyfriend as he hung
up the phone that we should probably start walking up to the door and wait for him
there instead of in our car. We both exited the vehicle and proceeded to take our
belongings from the car. I left my purse and all of my belongings on the front
floorboard of the passenger side of his vehicle. My boyfriend asked me to grab his
backpack from the back seat which I did and placed on my back and we both started
walking towards our friend's house.
Upon crossing the street I noticed headlights approaching us rapidly and just as we
stepped onto the driveway of the our friends residence the police car I had just
witnessed creeping by us stopped and a man exited the drivers side door. He asked

us what we were doing and where we were going and we told him we had stopped to
visit a friend and the cop immediatly took a scarcastic attitude with us. He asked us
where "our friend" lived and we told him we were standing in his drifveway already.
We told the officer that we had just talked to our friend and he told us he was on his
way home and had instructed us to wait there for him. The officer then remarked that
this "seemed a little odd" and then asked us to show him some identification. My
boyfriend then asked him the reason behind his request for our IDs and the cop then
became extremely and unreasonably aggressive.
Nevertheless, my boyfriend handed him his Drivers' License and I informed the officer
that my ID was in the car but that I knew my license number by heart. I asked him if
he would like me to go and retrieve the identification from the car and he stated that
he would not. The officer then asked if my boyfriend minded if he patted him down
and my boyfriend responded by asking "Do I have a choice?" The officer stated that
no, he did not have a choice and proceeded to pat him down. My boyfriend
continuously asked the officer why we were being harassed when no crime had been
committed. While the search of my boyfriends person was in progress the officer
relayed his identification information to dispatch who responded that my boyfriend
had no warrants and was "clean".
In the course of the search the officer presumably felt a device in the front right
pocket of his jeans and asked my boyfriend what the object was. My boyfriend told
him that it was a radio scanner and the officer removed the scanner from his pocket
and turned it on. When the scanner was turned on it triggered the scanner to pick up
thier radio signals and the officer made a comment about having a police scanner
tuned to police frequency. The officer asked my boyfreind what he was doing with a
scanner. My boyfriend stated it was a hobby. The police officer laughed and accused
him of lying and made several comments regarding his opinion that my boyfriends
possession of the scanner was for no other reason than to aid in committing crimes.
My boyfreind asked the officer if it was against the law to possess a radio scanner and
the officer stated that no it wasn't but that "no normal person would carry one around
with them". It was at this point that the officers backup unit arrived.
The officer instructed my boyfriend to sit in the gutter with his legs crossed in front of
him and turned his attention to me. He took my identification information including
my Drivers' License number, current address, first, middle and last name current
phone number etc etc and relayed the information to dispatch. He then asked me
what I had in the backpack and I informed him that the backpack didn't belong to me
that it was my boyfriends and that I had no knowledge of it's contents. At this point I
removed the backpack from my back and placed it on the ground next to my
boyfriend sitting in the gutter behind me. The officer asked me if I had anything in my
pockets or on my person that he should know about and I stated that no I didn't and
that I didn't even have any pockets. (I was wearing capri pants, a tank top and flip
flops). My boyfriend again asked the officers why we were being detained and, in
effect, harassed and both of the officers became extremely and instantly agitated.
They proceeded to yell and curse at us anytime we attempted to ask any question
pertaining to the reasoning behind the questioning and detaining of us.
The officer then instructed me to sit in the gutter next to my boyfriend in the same
manner which I did. He then walked over to where the backpack was sitting and bent
over and picked it up and carried it a few feet away still in plain view of the both of us
and his backup officer. My boyfriend then stated so that both officers could plainly
hear "What are you doing? I didn't give you consent to look in my backpack?" The
officer then yelled at my boyfriend to "SHUT UP!" and stated that he didn't need my
boyfriends consent to search his property because he had probable cause. My
boyfriend asked what that probable cause was and the officer stated that the scanner
in his pocket and our "suspicious behavior" had given him enough probable cause to
search without consent. My boyfriend then asked what "suspicious behavior" the
officer was referring to and the officer asked him if he "didn't just tell him (my
boyfriend) the shut the f*ck up?" This remark was followed by a string of vulgar
expletives and ridiculing remarks as he rummaged through my boyfriends belongings.
At this point the officer discovered a credit card scanner inside his backpack and

asked my boyfriend was doing with an "illegal credit card skimmer". My boyfriend
responded by stating that the credit card scanner was legal to possess. The officer
then stated to his backup officer that he was "sure it [was] stolen anyways". The
backup officer and the arresting officer laughed hard. Then the officer found in the
backpack a pocket locksmith tool and at that point told my boyfriend to place his
hand behind his back. The officer then placed my boyfriend under arrest and placed
him in handcuffs and put him in the back of the car. To try to make a loooooong story
a little shorter a third officer arrived and proceeded to question me (without reading
me my Miranda rights) about my boyfriends activities and reasons behind possessing
what they called "illegal contraband". I stated I had no knowledge whatsoever of any
illegal activity on my boyfriends part and asked if I was free to go? The third officer
who arrived on scene laughed and said no I was going to the station so they could
"ask me a few questions". I was then told to place my hands behind my back and was
placed in handcuffs in the back of a patrol car. All of the other mistakes they made
and violations of our civil rights that occured from this point on are irrelevant to my
question. It is however noteworthy that the officer upon my interview at the police
station stated that the house we parked in front of happened to have been
burglarized in the two days previous to this incident and that the house had been
"gutted". He then stated that he was convinced that my boyfriend, our friend and I
were wholly responsible for the burglary. The fact that he didn't state this until after
we were both already in the police station and my boyfriend had been saying since
the original search that the search was unconstitutional not to mention illegal makes
me question the validity of his claim about the burglary. If the claim about the
burglary had been true why didn't he state those facts when my boyfriend asked him
what "probable cause" the officer had to search us without consent was instead of
stating it was our "suspicious behavior" and possession of a police scanner that led
him to the assumption that he had cause to search us.
We are planning on filing a motion to suppress the evidence the officers obtained
from the illegal search of my boyfriends backpack due to violation of our 4th
Amendment Rights so what i wanted to know is given the facts of the above stated
case was the officer justified in his search and subsequent arrest of my boyfriend and
I? Was there, in fact, probable cause for the officer to stop, question, detain and
search our persons and belongings despite the fact that they had neither a warrant or
consent from either of us? My boyfriend, up to this point, has never been convicted of
a crime and had a completely clean record. He had no priors and no affiliations with
any known burglars or burglaries. So what gives? Do we have a case or not?
07-25-2007 04:48 PM
GC Marciano Did your friend ever come out of the house?

Possession of a scanner and locksmith tools while parked in front of a recently
burglarized residence would certainly constitute reasonable suspicion and give the
officer(s)reason to detain and question you, but in my (non-LEO) opinion, there
was no reason to search you/your boyfriend and find out he possessed the
scanner and tools in the first place.
Is he a repossessor, locksmith or engaged in any other profession that requires

possession of lockpicks? Here in Illinois, posession of such tools without cause
Registered: Jul 2003 (employment, etc) is a felony.
Posts: 9967 Perhaps Cataclysm can weigh in with his professional LEO insight...
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07-25-2007 05:34 PM
Cataclysm Mansruin
Government, the Government An officer can stop and talk to you anytime he or she wants if you are standing in an
should fear the People. area such as a driveway. The officer does not need probable cause or reasonable
suspicion to do this. Why? To put it simple, the courts have ruled that basically
anywhere say a UPS driver or mail delivery person can go the cops can go. If a
person is sitting in their driveway a cop can stop, walk up the driveway, and start a
consensual conversation. The key is consensual. If you tell the cop to leave, the cop
has to immediately leave.
In your case, the cop did have the right to stop and talk to you because you were in a
driveway.
Registered: Jun 2007 quote:

INSANITY we call "occupied" The officer then asked if my boyfriend minded if he patted him down and
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my boyfriend responded by asking "Do I have a choice?" The officer
stated that no, he did not have a choice and proceeded to pat him down.
My boyfriend continuously asked the officer why we were being harassed
when no crime had been committed. While the search of my boyfriends
person was in progress the officer relayed his identification information to
dispatch who responded that my boyfriend had no warrants and was
"clean".
This is a bad mistake on the cop's part. With a good attorney, this is where you will
suppress the evidence. In order for a cop to pat a person down, the cop must have
reasonable suspicion. At this point in you and your boyfriend's encounter with the
cop, he absolutely none. Therefore the scanner should be thrown out. If the scanner
is thrown out of the case, then any other item will tossed out also because the cop
used the scanner as reasonable suspicion to continue and detain you. No scanner, no
case. The cop should have waited to see if your boyfriend had any history, but as you
stated your boyfriend come back clean. This only makes your case stronger because if
the cop had waited, there would have definitely been no reasonable suspicion for the
cop to carry on the conversation. Instead, the cop did an unreasonable pat down and
discovered the scanner first.
quote:
My boyfriend then stated so that both officers could plainly hear "What
are you doing? I didn't give you consent to look in my backpack?" The
officer then yelled at my boyfriend to "SHUT UP!" and stated that he
didn't need my boyfriends consent to search his property because he had
probable cause. My boyfriend asked what that probable cause was and
the officer stated that the scanner in his pocket and our "suspicious
behavior" had given him enough probable cause to search without consent

If what you are telling me is correct, this cop is a blooming idiot. First, there is no
reasonable suspicion in this case at this point in this encounter. Second, even if the
courts rule there is, reasonable suspicion alone in not enough to search the contents
of the backpack. The cop must have probable cause to search or consent and in this
case there was neither. The officer more than likely will try the route of an officer
safety issue. If he does, then all your attorney has to ask is why then did he not
simply secure the backpack. In other words, why didn't the cop simply put it beyond
you and your boyfriends reach until the detention was over. The cop had no right to
search the backpack period.
quote:
At this point the officer discovered a credit card scanner inside his
backpack and asked my boyfriend was doing with an "illegal credit card
skimmer". My boyfriend responded by stating that the credit card scanner
was legal to possess. The officer then stated to his backup officer that he
was "sure it [was] stolen anyways". The backup officer and the arresting
officer laughed hard. Then the officer found in the backpack a pocket
locksmith tool and at that point told my boyfriend to place his hand
behind his back.
Both the credit card scanner and locksmith tool will not be allowed and should be
suppressed with ease. These items were obtained through an illegal search and will
be thrown out.
quote:
Was there, in fact, probable cause for the officer to stop, question, detain
and search our persons and belongings despite the fact that they had
neither a warrant or consent from either of us? My boyfriend, up to this
point, has never been convicted of a crime and had a completely clean
record. He had no priors and no affiliations with any known burglars or
burglaries. So what gives? Do we have a case or not?
You have a case if in fact the events you described are accurate. The radio scanner
and every item seized after that will be suppressed.
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Speech, so if you are offended, I do not care.
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07-26-2007 06:36 AM
Maxima I'm going to tell you straight up, I don't believe your story about meeting a friend.
Moderator
When you combined the items you had (backpack, credit card swiper, lock picks,
scanner) and go walking into a gated community, that spells trouble even if you really
weren't up to no good.
Now just because you were up to no good, doesn't mean an officer can do what he
wants. There is defiantly reasonable suspicion to make contact with you especially if
homes in the area had been burglarized recently.
The officer can in fact do a pat down on the exterior of clothing to search for
weapons. They are not even aloud to remove items if they think they are drugs
during a terry stop, only weapons. The problem comes when the cop asks people
Registered: Mar 2007 about certain items they feel. Your boyfriend told the officer what it was. It's no
Location: St. Louis, MO longer "private". The officer could still get away with saying he thought it might be a
Posts: 360 weapon though. Most scanners are fairly bulky and aren't easily concealed in a pocket
without being obvious.
Now to the backpack. It was an illegal search. There was no probable cause because
there wasn't enough evidence to arrest you at that time. If they thought they needed
to search, they could go get a warrant. Anything else in the backpack?
I've been in a similar situation as this. They ask you a bunch of questions and don't
believe you if you don't tell them what they want. They hold you forever and tell you
they will do as they please. It's not fun and is often your word vs. there’s.
Were YOU arrested? If so, what were your charges?
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may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their
conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments
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07-26-2007 06:40 AM
Cataclysm Originally posted by Maxima

quote:
I'm going to tell you straight up, I don't believe your story about meeting
a friend.
My gut instinct was also the same Maxima. However, I was simply responding to the
facts laid out by mansruin. Also, if what the poster said was true about witnessing a
cop drive by, would they really continue with criminal behavior? Hell, I do not know.
Registered: Jun 2007 Like I said, I was just responding to the facts as stated.
INSANITY we call "occupied" quote:
Amerika.
Posts: 566
Now just because you were up to no good, doesn't mean an officer can

do what he wants. There is defiantly reasonable suspicion to make

contact with you especially if homes in the area had been burglarized
recently.The officer can in fact do a pat down on the exterior of clothing
to search for weapons.
I have to disagree with you here. Not going on your opinion they were up to no good
but just on the facts presented by the poster, there is no reasonable suspicion for a
pat down. Two people, no criminal history, and standing in their friend's driveway
does not constitute reasonable suspicion for a pat down even though there was a
burglary two days earlier at a house down the street. However, what we do not know
and what the poster did not say was did the officer check to see if there friend in fact
lived there? I would certainly think that the officer would verify their friend lived there
before proceeding, but mansruin did not give us that information. Also, mansruin
stated there friend was to arrive in ten minutes. Certainly this incident took longer
than ten minutes. You see where I am going? I could bust holes in manruin's post
very easily but that is not my purpose here. Like I said, my instinct is the same as
yours but I only stated what I know could be their course of legal action if in fact
what was posted by mansruin is the truth and the absolute truth.
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07-26-2007 07:03 AM
Mansruin Probable Cause

Junior Member
quote:

Did your friend ever come out of the house?
Possession of a scanner and locksmith tools while parked in front

Registered: Jul 2007 of a recently burglarized residence would certainly constitute
Location: Palm Springs, Ca reasonable suspicion and give the officer(s)reason to detain and
Posts: 6 question you, but in my (non-LEO) opinion, there was no reason
to search you/your boyfriend and find out he possessed the
scanner and tools in the first place.
Is he a repossessor, locksmith or engaged in any other profession

that requires possession of lockpicks? Here in Illinois, posession
of such tools is a felony.
Perhaps Cataclysm can weigh in with his professional LEO

insight...

Thanks for responding so quickly to my post.. As you can imagine this issue has been
weighing pretty heavy on my mind and I was unable to find much information online
despite rigorous searching so i appreciate you taking the time to alleviate my concern
a bit!
Our friend ended up getting there pretty late (he assumed his roommates would have
let us in and they would have had we made it to the door) so by the time he got to
his house there was a swarm of police officers (Four units with six officers looks like a
swarm to someone not expecting to find that at all I suppose) and we were already in
handcuffs so he chose not to stop.. And by the way things turned out Im pretty glad
he didnt.. the police had made mention about the security cameras they saw in his
windows and Im sure they would have ended up harrassing him too..
As for his profession: no he is not a locksmith or engaged in any other profession that
requires possession of lockpicks but I can assure you that he isn't a buglar either.. He
actually inherited the lockpick tools from a friend who owed him some money and
traded him a duffel bag full of electronic parts and various other items.. the lockpick
set being the only thing illegal to possess in it.. According to penal code 466:
Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a
picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vise grip pliers,
water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock
pick, floor-safe door puller, master key, ceramic or porcelain spark plug chips or
pieces, or other instrument or tool
with intent feloniously to break or enter into any building, railroad
car, aircraft, or vessel, trailer coach, or vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code, or who
shall knowingly make or alter, or shall attempt to make or alter, any key or other
instrument named above so that the same will fit or open the lock of a building,
railroad car, aircraft, vessel, trailer coach, or vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code,
without being requested to do so by some person having the right to open the same,
or who shall make, alter, or repair any instrument or thing, knowing or having reason
to believe that it is intended to be used in committing a misdemeanor or felony, is
guilty of a misdemeanor. Any of the structures mentioned in Section 459 shall be
deemed to be a building within the meaning of this section.
So apparently its not a felony to possess a set of lockpicks here in California...
07-26-2007 07:33 AM
Cataclysm Re: Probable Cause

quote:
Originally posted by Mansruin

Thanks for responding so quickly to my post.. As you can imagine
this issue has been weighing pretty heavy on my mind and I was
unable to find much information online despite rigorous searching
so i appreciate you taking the time to alleviate my concern a bit!
Registered: Jun 2007 You are welcome mansruin.

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07-26-2007 11:43 AM
Maxima quote:
Moderator
My gut instinct was also the same Maxima. However, I was simply
responding to the facts laid out by mansruin. Also, if what the poster said
was true about witnessing a cop drive by, would they really continue with
criminal behavior? Hell, I do not know. Like I said, I was just responding
to the facts as stated.
Your right we can only go by what is posted.

Location: St. Louis, MO
quote:
Posts: 360

I have to disagree with you here. Not going on your opinion they were up
to no good but just on the facts presented by the poster, there is no
reasonable suspicion for a pat down. Two people, no criminal history, and
standing in their friend's driveway does not constitute reasonable
suspicion for a pat down even though there was a burglary two days
earlier at a house down the street. However, what we do not know and
what the poster did not say was did the officer check to see if there friend
in fact lived there? I would certainly think that the officer would verify
their friend lived there before proceeding, but mansruin did not give us
that information. Also, mansruin stated there friend was to arrive in ten
minutes. Certainly this incident took longer than ten minutes. You see
where I am going? I could bust holes in manruin's post very easily but
that is not my purpose here. Like I said, my instinct is the same as yours
but I only stated what I know could be their course of legal action if in
fact what was posted by mansruin is the truth and the absolute truth. [/B]
Well years ago, I would agree, but the courts allow so much when it comes to officer
safety now a days as you know. Can we agree if there is reasonable suspicion, the
outside the clothes pat down is legal? And that once the pat down is started, a
scanner in the pocket is an unusual shape/size to have in your pocket and may be a
weapon
If we both agree on that part, the only difference we see is if there is reasonable
suspicion and not just a officer's hunch. Even after throwing out my opinions about
what the suspects were up to, I believe there were specific and articulable facts in
this case.
I was under the impression that they parked outside of the gated community and
walked in. If that is not true, I would probably change my opinion.
Also, did you cross the street at an intersection. I believe if you don't, that's a
violation in California.

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07-26-2007 10:02 PM
kola lets see;;

Senior Member
some has on their possession:
Location: a scanner tuned in to the local gooncops station
Posts: 144
lockmith tools
a credit card skimmer
HMMMMMMMM
highly suspicous don't ya'll think?
BUT
the cops ****ed up.
Kola
07-26-2007 11:45 PM
Cataclysm quote:
Government, the Government Originally posted by Maxima
Well years ago, I would agree, but the courts allow so much when
it comes to officer safety now a days as you know. Can we agree
if there is reasonable suspicion, the outside the clothes pat down
is legal? And that once the pat down is started, a scanner in the
pocket is an unusual shape/size to have in your pocket and may
be a weapon
Also, did you cross the street at an intersection. I believe if you

Registered: Jun 2007 don't, that's a violation in California.
Amerika.
Posts: 566
I do agree 100% if there is reasonable suspicion that a pat down is warranted and a
scanner could be seen as a weapon due it's size and shape.
The problem arises when cops confuse the meaning of reasonable suspicion and
probable cause. Some cops do not understand the scope of their searching
capabilities when applying these two factors.

As far as the California Law, I am not familiar with it.
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07-27-2007 06:46 AM
Mansruin [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cataclysm

Junior Member [B]Originally posted by Maxima
Okay I've had some problems with my internet connection lately and logging in to
copwatch as well so sorry it's taken me so long to reply to your posts. Im kinda new
at forums etc etc so Im not sure how to go about tackling all the new posts so Im just
going to do the best I can.. Please bear with me...
[QUOTE] Two people, no criminal history, and standing in their friend's driveway does
Registered: Jul 2007 not constitute reasonable suspicion for a pat down even though there was a burglary
Location: Palm Springs, Ca two days earlier at a house down the street. [QUOTE]
Posts: 6
Just to clarify.. the house was two doors down and across the street..
[QUOTE]
However, what we do not know and what the poster did not say was did the officer
check to see if there friend in fact lived there?[QUOTE]
No in fact we both offered to give the officers our friends number to call him and
verify that he did, indeed live there and had, in fact told us to meet him there but the
officers declined. We even offered to call him on speaker phone so that they could
hear for themselves that we were telling the truth. However, the officers not only
declined our offer but prevented us from calling just to prove our point.
[QUOTE]Mansruin stated there friend was to arrive in ten minutes. Certainly this
incident took longer than ten minutes. You see where I am going? [QUOTE]
Yes our friend did eventually come home.. albeit he WAS very late.. he was under the
impression that his roommates would let us inside the residence to wait for him until
he got there and they would have had we made it to the door. He did arrive while we
were still there but by that time his entire front yard was swarming with police cars.
How many of you would stop to see what was going on in the same situation? So he
chose to keep driving unaware that we had been arrested or were even being hassled.
07-30-2007 09:19 PM

Mansruin quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by Maxima
I'm going to tell you straight up, I don't believe your story about
meeting a friend.

Location: Palm Springs, Ca
Posts: 6 That's okay.. you dont have to.. but our friend did say he would be more than willing
to testify under oath in court that he did live at that house and that he did tell us to
meet him there on the day of the arrest and that he was late in getting there. I know
my story sounds a little strange and be advised you did get a shortened version of it
but facts are facts and if the search violated our civil rights than the evidence should
be supressed and there won't be a case...
quote:
The officer can in fact do a pat down on the exterior of clothing to search
for weapons. They are not even aloud to remove items if they think they
are drugs during a terry stop, only weapons. The problem comes when
the cop asks people about certain items they feel. Your boyfriend told the
officer what it was. It's no longer "private". The officer could still get
away with saying he thought it might be a weapon though. Most scanners
are fairly bulky and aren't easily concealed in a pocket without being
obvious.[/B]
This scanner is a small handheld type and it was fully concealed inside his front jeans
pocket.. so I think we're safe there too. Especially if we bring the same jeans he was
wearing that night in and show the court exactly how the scanner sat in his pocket.
(If we are even allowed to do that.)
quote:
Now to the backpack. It was an illegal search. There was no probable

cause because there wasn't enough evidence to arrest you at that time. If
they thought they needed to search, they could go get a warrant.
Anything else in the backpack?[/B]
Yeah there were some other items in the backpack that could be considered
contraband but if they were uncovered by means of an illegal search then they might
as well not even exist..
quote:
Were YOU arrested? If so, what were your charges? [/B]
I was arrested and taken down to the station but I haven't to date been booked. In
the interview room I asked the officer if I was under arrest and he stated that yes I
was and I asked him what the charges were and he told me that I was being charged

with the same things my boyfriend was being charged with.(Possession of burglary
tools, etc etc). When I protested stating that the backpack was not mine and that my
boyfriend had taken full responsibility for it and it's contents the officer responded by
stating that possession is 9/10nths of the law.. However.. several hours later I was
released "with charges pending". The officer did state that another officer would be
coming by the address I gave them as my home address in a couple of days to pick
me up. I have yet to hear from an officer and check online regularly to see if they
have filed any charges but nothing yet. Just as an interesting side note the officer
never finished reading me my Miranda Rights either.. He got as far as "You have the
right to an attorney..." before I interuppted him asking what I was being charged with
and he never finished and it's all on tape.. Could this be useful to us at all?
07-30-2007 09:45 PM
Mansruin quote:
Junior Member
[QUOTE]
I was under the impression that they parked outside of the gated
community and walked in. If that is not true, I would probably change my
opinion.[/B]
Posts: 6
No, it's not correct. We drove inside the gated the community and parked inside two
houses down and across the street from our friend.
quote:
Also, did you cross the street at an intersection. I believe if you don't,
that's a violation in California. [/B]
Even if it's inside a residential nieghborhood where there exist absolutely NO

crosswalks?
07-30-2007 09:52 PM
Mansruin quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by kola
lets see;;
some has on their possession:
a scanner tuned in to the local gooncops station

Registered: Jul 2007 lockmith tools
Posts: 6
a credit card skimmer
HMMMMMMMM

highly suspicous don't ya'll think?
BUT
the cops ****ed up.
Kola
Highly suspicious yeah.. but not illegal. So far the only charge they have filed on my
boyfriend has been PC 466 Possession of Burglary Tools and still nothing for me. Im
not sure if I mentioned it before or not but they impounded his car and booked the
whole thing and everything in it (including my purse) as evidence. But I called the
arresting officer today to see if I could get my purse (at least) released to me since it
has my ID, house keys, etc etc in it and he informed me that they found some
interesting things inside my purse that he wants to talk to me about before he
releases the property to me. Im not sure what he's referring to but is that legal? If I
haven't been formally charged with anything can he hold my property? Is he just
trying to get me to incriminate myself or my boyfriend by holding my property as
ransom? I told him I would be in touch in the next couple of days regarding my
availability to come to the station and speak with him about whatever they say they
found inside my purse but after the way they treated us the night of our arrest I have
to say I don't trust them. Not as far as I could throw them (and I'm pretty small so
that's not very far... ) Any suggestions?
07-30-2007 10:01 PM
Maxima quote:
Moderator
That's okay.. you dont have to.. but our friend did say he would be more
than willing to testify under oath in court that he did live at that house
and that he did tell us to meet him there on the day of the arrest and
that he was late in getting there. I know my story sounds a little strange
and be advised you did get a shortened version of it but facts are facts
and if the search violated our civil rights than the evidence should be
supressed and there won't be a case...

While it might help with a judge that would convict you based on thinking you were
Posts: 360
going to break into a house that night, it's really irrelevant since you weren't charged
with a loitering type charge.
quote:

This scanner is a small handheld type and it was fully concealed inside his
front jeans pocket.. so I think we're safe there too. Especially if we bring
the same jeans he was wearing that night in and show the court exactly
how the scanner sat in his pocket. (If we are even allowed to do that.)
I understand, but I think the tricky way the officer went about things will make

pulling it out okay. He got your boyfriend to tell him what it was. Given the
circumstances, that shouldn't violate his rights according to the law.
quote:

Yeah there were some other items in the backpack that could be
considered contraband but if they were uncovered by means of an illegal
search then they might as well not even exist..
That's right. It's sometimes hard to prove though against the of so truthful coppers
out there.
quote:

I was arrested and taken down to the station but I haven't to date been
booked. In the interview room I asked the officer if I was under arrest
and he stated that yes I was and I asked him what the charges were and
he told me that I was being charged with the same things my boyfriend
was being charged with.(Possession of burglary tools, etc etc). When I
protested stating that the backpack was not mine and that my boyfriend
had taken full responsibility for it and it's contents the officer responded
by stating that possession is 9/10nths of the law.. However.. several
hours later I was released "with charges pending". The officer did state
that another officer would be coming by the address I gave them as my
home address in a couple of days to pick me up. I have yet to hear from
an officer and check online regularly to see if they have filed any charges
but nothing yet. Just as an interesting side note the officer never finished
reading me my Miranda Rights either.. He got as far as "You have the
right to an attorney..." before I interuppted him asking what I was being
charged with and he never finished and it's all on tape.. Could this be
useful to us at all?
Not really unless you said something they plan to use against you. They could never
read you your rights and as long as they don't try to interrogate you, it doesn't
matter.
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07-31-2007 06:33 AM

Maxima quote:
Moderator
No, it's not correct. We drove inside the gated the community and
parked inside two houses down and across the street from our
friend.
Okay. Less suspicious, but the officer can still come up and talk with you
when you are in public.

Location: St. Louis, MO quote:
Posts: 360
Even if it's inside a residential nieghborhood where there exist
absolutely NO crosswalks?
Yep. I just checked the California Codes

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/w...action=retrieve
"21955. Between adjacent intersections controlled by traffic control signal

devices or by police officers, pedestrians shall not cross the roadway at any
place except in a crosswalk."
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07-31-2007 06:36 AM
crethip You drove into a gated community, parked several houses down across the road from
Junior Member your intended destination, in front of or near a house that had been recently broken
into, had tools commonly used in burglaries, had a credit card scanner, etc. Your
friend you were visiting drove by, saw what was going on (even though he didn't
know you were under arrest I think you said he still saw you) but did absolutely
Registered: Apr 2007 nothing and offered no explanation to your presence in his gated community? Only
Location: later your friend is going to go on record to say you were there to visit him?
Posts: 20
Also did you ever find out if the police were just in the area or did maybe another
resident, concerned with the recent burglary, find your behavior suspicious and call
police?
Seems to me that under a totality of the circumstances something is amiss here. If it

walks like a duck, talks like duck, and looks like a duck, its usually a Duck!
Based on the post I've read and most copwatchers attitudes towards their right to
Self Protection I think you are lucky you didn't park in front of one of their houses.

07-31-2007 09:37 PM
arsen I dont see where a cop has a right to search someones backpack without consent or a
Junior Member warrant. The situation looks strange but thats only because of the illegal search and
what came of it, it looks like to me. Someone correct me if im wrong here.
Registered: Jul 2007 Considering that their records are clean now from the explanation it looks like two
Location: innocent people parking accross the street from thier buddys house, walking up the
Posts: 1
driveway and getting harrassed and wrongfully searched in the process. Say for
instance they even had stolen property in that backpack wouldnt it stilll be a violation
of their rights to be unwillingly searched?
07-31-2007 10:03 PM
friend2no-thug quote:
"What the government is good at is --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
collecting taxes, taking away your Originally posted by Mansruin
Even if it's inside a residential nieghborhood where there exist absolutely NO
crosswalks?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Location: Everett Washington Yep. I just checked the California Codes
Posts: 190
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/w...action=retrieve
"21955. Between adjacent intersections controlled by traffic control signal devices

or by police officers, pedestrians shall not cross the roadway at any place except
in a crosswalk."
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Actually it looks like by what you posted above re: whether or not it would be
considered J walking it looks as though they are okay and that no law, ordinance
or code was broken.
Unless there is an intersection there controlled by signals or a cop, since she
stated that there was no crosswalk I highly doubt there was a signal , a traffic
cop , crosswalk guard or any other uneccesary expensive device in a residential
neighborhood.
Besides the whole silly J walking issue I don't see what other people who have
posted here are seeing.
What I have read is that a couple of kids were going to go visit a another kid
( and by kid I mean in their 20's, again this only what I am getting from the
person who posted the question) and because the young man is like most young
men he has gadgets and all kinds of "cool" stuff that he probably wanted to fool
around with.
Regarding the other items that were found in the backpack whocares? They were
not commiting a crime and the police were obviously on a power trip and since
the burglary ( so the cop said) occured a couple days prior he was probably
attempting to have the people who were burgled believe he was a "fine officer
indeed" by harassing two innocent people. I mean c'mon how would the folks
looking out their windows know that in reality he was just blowing smoke.
If it was me I would have made it a point to return to neighborhood go to the
house that was robbed and let the people who live there know that it was her and
her boyfriend who were hauled off by the cops the other night and that I wanted
to let them know that it was not I nor my boyfriend who robbed them.
I would be interested to know if the house was actually robbed.

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08-03-2007 04:57 AM
Maxima quote:
Moderator
quote:
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Even if it's inside a residential nieghborhood where there exist
absolutely NO crosswalks?
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Yep. I just checked the California Codes

Registered: Mar 2007 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/w...action=retrieve
Posts: 360 "21955. Between adjacent intersections controlled by traffic
control signal devices or by police officers, pedestrians shall not
cross the roadway at any place except in a crosswalk."
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Actually it looks like by what you posted above re: whether or not
it would be considered J walking it looks as though they are okay
and that no law, ordinance or code was broken.
Unless there is an intersection there controlled by signals or a cop,
since she stated that there was no crosswalk I highly doubt there
was a signal , a traffic cop , crosswalk guard or any other
uneccesary expensive device in a residential neighborhood.
Besides the whole silly J walking issue I don't see what other
people who have posted here are seeing.
What I have read is that a couple of kids were going to go visit a
another kid ( and by kid I mean in their 20's, again this only what I
am getting from the person who posted the question) and because
the young man is like most young men he has gadgets and all
kinds of "cool" stuff that he probably wanted to fool around with.
Regarding the other items that were found in the backpack
whocares? They were not commiting a crime and the police were
obviously on a power trip and since the burglary ( so the cop said)
occured a couple days prior he was probably attempting to have
the people who were burgled believe he was a "fine officer indeed"
by harassing two innocent people. I mean c'mon how would the
folks looking out their windows know that in reality he was just
blowing smoke.
If it was me I would have made it a point to return to
neighborhood go to the house that was robbed and let the people
who live there know that it was her and her boyfriend who were
hauled off by the cops the other night and that I wanted to let
them know that it was not I nor my boyfriend who robbed them.
I would be interested to know if the house was actually robbed.

Well that law is saying that you can't cross anywhere else on a street except in a
crosswalk or at an intersection with a traffic control device. That could be anything
from a red light to a stop sign. It's a pretty common law in most states.
It's pretty much a non issue though since it wasn't brought up by the cop.
I know cops use the "places around here have been robbed lately" a lot.
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from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their
carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may
place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that
in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own
undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant; give them the means of detecting the wrong,
and they will apply the remedy.” — Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837
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I know cops use the "places around here have

been robbed lately" a lot.
And it seems that we're justified in wondering on how many

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08-03-2007 12:58 PM
friend2no-thug I don't doubt what you are saying is true re: the law and the
"What the government is good at is non issue of j walking but I have to say... that is just ridiculous!
collecting taxes, taking away your In my neighborhood you would have to walk 3 or 4 blocks to
find a stop sign or traffic control device.
I guess it just goes to show that they ( meaning the power
drunk thug cops) coulda and woulda if they had thought about
it been able to trump up some more unreasonable charges.
It is good to know about this asnine law though, in the
Location: Everett Washington
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resident who rents the 5 extra bedrooms in her home out to sex
offenders recently paroled from camp ( a minium security
prison which is run like a camp, they are not locked up ever and
they get weekend furlows among other things that the non
violent offenders do not get) and she has an obsessive
compulsion to call 911 anytime one the teens around here
sneezes.
We live next to a city park and she literally sits and watches
them out her window then calls 911 as soon she suspects foul
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Hi,
Location: Dirty Jerzy If a detective says that they "we'll first beat you with a wet
Posts: 8
noodle and then shine lights on you, do you ever watch movies?"
is that considered a terroristic threat?
Before they started to question me I asked what do they plan on

doing, and one of the detectives replied with the above quote. They
are trying to charge me with terroristic threats because i was in the
room when someone said that they will beat someone up with a
metal pipe if they said anything to the cops. Pretty much the same
thing, right?

02-02-2007 07:07 PM
duncan If a detective says that they "we'll first beat you with a wet
Moderator noodle and then shine lights on you, do you ever watch
movies?" is that considered a terroristic threat?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Yes, but the state sanctions these kinds of terrorists.
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duncan Why do cops lie about thier job being so dangerous?

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America's Most Dangerous Jobs
By Laura Morsch, CareerBuilder.com
For many of us, the most dangerous part of the workday is the
commute -- followed closely by teetering on stiletto heels.
Nationwide, most employees have a miniscule chance of being

killed at work. There were just four fatal occupational injuries per
100,000 workers in the United States in 2005, according to
preliminary data from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of
Labor Statistics.

That, of course, is just the average. For some workers -- soldiers in

combat, for example -- every day is a life-threatening one. But on
the domestic front, the most dangerous jobs are less obvious.
Statistically speaking, farmers -- with a fatality rate of 41.1 -- are

more than twice as likely to die on the job than police officers
(18.2) and nearly four times more likely to be killed at work than
firefighters (11.5).
The Most Life-Threatening Jobs

According to BLS data, the following jobs had some of the highest
fatality rates for 2005:
Fishers and related fishing workers

Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 118.4
Average salary: $29,000 per year
Logging workers
Average salary: $31,290 per year
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers

Average salary: $135,040
Structural iron and steel workers

Refuse and recyclable material collectors

Farmers and ranchers

Electrical power-line installers and repairers

Truck drivers
Average salary: $35,460 (for heavy or tractor-trailer drivers)
Miscellaneous agricultural workers

Construction laborers
The Most Injury-Prone Jobs

Although employees are statistically unlikely to die on the job,

illnesses and injuries are a far greater threat. In 2005, the rate of
nonfatal injuries and illnesses was 4.6 per 100 workers.
The manufacturing industry accounted for more than 20 percent of

the nation's reported nonfatal occupational injuries last year, with
complaints ranging from sprains to gashes. Sixteen percent of
workplace injuries were reported by workers in the healthcare
sector.
The following industries saw the highest workplace injury rates for
2005:
Beet sugar manufacturing: 16.6 injuries per 100 workers
Truck trailer manufacturing: 15.7 injuries per 100 workers
Iron foundries: 15.2 injuries per 100 workers
Prefabricated wood building manufacturing: 13.9 injuries per 100

workers
Framing contractors: 13.3 injuries per 100 workers
Jobs That Could Make You Sick

Considering the nature of their work, it's not surprising that
healthcare workers reported 19 percent of the 242,500 new
occupational illnesses in the private sector for 2005. But
manufacturing workers actually get sick from work most often,
accounting for 39 percent of reported injuries.
The following industries had the highest reported illness rates:
Light truck and utility vehicle manufacturing: 701.5 illnesses per

10,000 workers
Animal slaughtering, except poultry: 478.8 illnesses per 10,000

workers
Automobile manufacturing: 320.6 illnesses per 10,000 workers
Cut stock, resawing lumber and planning: 276.4 illnesses per

10,000 workers
Motor vehicle air-conditioning manufacturing: 235 illnesses per

10,000 workers

Laura Morsch is a writer for CareerBuilder.com. She researches and

writes about job search strategy, career management, hiring trends
and workplace issues.
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01-10-2007 01:49 PM
liberranter How about a reality TV show where a bunch of cops are sent to
Super Moderator work in one of the industries that truly are dangerous to life and
limb?
That would be the one reality show I would actually watch!
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01-10-2007 01:57 PM
mr.b The one show I would love to see would be "COPS" in Iraq and
Senior Member sending the so called bravest cops from this country over there and
see how long they last violating someones rights over
there!!!!
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01-10-2007 02:07 PM
BaltimoreLE They don't really have many rights over there. Something that
Member would be even more entertaining would be to take a few activists
that whine and complain about something as mundane being pulled
Registered: Dec 2006 over to go spend a few weeks in Iraq and some other similar
Location: countries. Have them whine about their rights there and see how
Posts: 80
long it took them to be reported missing. You don't know how good
you have it.
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Do you know that every citizen in Iraq is required to own a AK-47.
The second amendment is alive in IRAQ. It's you ***s who whine
about having to face accountability.
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01-10-2007 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by BaltimoreLE
They don't really have many rights over there.
Something that would be even more
entertaining would be to take a few activists
that whine and complain about something as
mundane being pulled over to go spend a few
weeks in Iraq and some other similar
countries.

Posts: 5865
Hmmm, let's see; using this line of reasoning, we should all be
thankful if we contract pneumonia because we could have
contracted something fatal like cancer instead.
Only a cop would spout this kind of nonsense.
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01-10-2007 05:17 PM

Rylan 2.0 Roadside harassment is certainly preferable to roadside bombs, but

Senior Member that doesn't make it OK. Anyway, no number of Americans,
whether they're cops or not are going to change Iraq, and I hope
Registered: Dec 2006 the dumbocrats make that clear to Bush since he's on the verge of
Location: deploying another 20,000 troops.
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liberranter Originally posted by Rylan 2.0

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I hope the dumbocrats make that clear to Bush since he's
on the verge of deploying another 20,000 troops. [/
QUOTE]
I guess Bush is going to announce tonight that the Army Corps

of Engineers will form a pick and shovel brigade and start
exhuming corpses from the national cemeteries. That's the only
place he's going to find another 20,000 troops to send
anywhere.
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01-10-2007 06:03 PM

duncan They don't really have many rights over there.

Moderator
And we don't have any rights in this country either.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Iraqi is under US rule and so of course they have no rights over
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Rylan 2.0 quote:

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Location: I guess Bush is going to announce tonight that
Posts: 2330 the Army Corps of Engineers will form a pick and
shovel brigade and start exhuming corpses from
the national cemeteries. That's the only place he's
going to find another 20,000 troops to send
anywhere.
No problem, they just threw this curve ball:
Pentagon Abandons Active-Duty Time Limit
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whitesupra7 I think that simply looking at death rates per thousand is inaccurate
Senior Member in terms of "danger". Police train to avoid death, and my training
has saved me in many situations I know of, and probably more that
Registered: Jan 2007 I don't even realize. A farmer for instance, does not train himself to
Location: avoid severing his arm on farm equipment and bleeding to death. A
Posts: 108
farmer also doesn't run towards gunfire and knife fights. Farmers
dont get shot at or assualted when trying to do their job. Farmers
don't attempt to apprehend fleeing felons, chasing them at
100mph. I think there is a lot more to look at when assessing
danger of a job. If it wasn't dangerous, I highly doubt my cheap
*** department would provide me with an $800 ballistic vest, heck
they probably wouldn't train me at all, whats the point?
01-23-2007 09:27 PM
mr.b I you sure that farmers do not face danger out in the fields? My
Senior Member father in law has over 800 acres of citrus and has chased thief's
away numerous times because the worthless sheriffs takes for ever
to arrive. So my father in law goes out in his field with a shot gun
and confronts these thief's and has had guns pointed at him before
so stop feeding us your bullshi t propaganda that police work is
more dangerous that others. I really doubt you run into a gun fight
or knife fight you damn liar!!!!! You forget it's your job and if you
Registered: Oct 2005 do not like get the fuk out!!!
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OldManSenile quote:
Member
Registered: Feb 2006 I think that simply looking at death rates per
Location: Missouri thousand is inaccurate in terms of "danger".
Posts: 88 Police train to avoid death, and my training has
saved me in many situations I know of, and
probably more that I don't even realize. A farmer
for instance, does not train himself to avoid
severing his arm on farm equipment and bleeding
to death. A farmer also doesn't run towards
gunfire and knife fights. Farmers dont get shot at
or assualted when trying to do their job. Farmers
don't attempt to apprehend fleeing felons,
chasing them at 100mph. I think there is a lot
more to look at when assessing danger of a job.
If it wasn't dangerous, I highly doubt my cheap
*** department would provide me with an $800
ballistic vest, heck they probably wouldn't train
me at all, whats the point?
There is danger in just about anything we do, from crossing the

street, to eating, to driving and the list goes on and on.
What I get sick and tired of hearing is "We as cops run towards
gunfire/knife fights/bad people". It is part of the L.E job description,
stop using it as an excuse everytime the police get critisism.
Any human with decency and compassion will do the same thing. A
few items that come to mind are,
1. Not to long ago, a kid fell on to some subway tracks, a man

jumped down landed on him and laid him down between the rails as
the TRAIN PASSED OVER TOP of them.
2. Numerous news accounts of strangers helping people that have

been in accidents and submerged in thier vehicles in canals, ponds,
lakes, and rivers.
3. There are accounts of people helping other people fight off dog
attacks.
The point is, there are people helping people everyday in dangerous
situations. It IS NOT only the police that do it.
Not sure if you have ever been around a farm or a ranch, but your
farmer comment is BULL****.
I have grown up on farms and ranches my whole life, and trust me,
there is training. No farmer or rancher is going to turn a 18 yr old
loose with a $250,000 to $500,000 tractor and support equipment

to tear up the fields, animals, and equipment.
We as kids were "trained" from a early age, on the functions of the

tractor, and various support equip...ie sickle bar, brushhog, auger,
bailer, powered rakes, feed elevators, hay elevators and the list
goes on and on, to where to place or not to place hands/feet/
bodyparts.
Not only were we "trained" on the equip, we were "trained" on the

numerous chemicals we had on the farm. It could have been
fertilizers, nytrogen, pesticides.......ect. We had to know what we
could or couldn't mix. Didn't want to cause a poisonious cloud, or
blow ourselves up.
The point is, **** happens in every job and there are people out
there that adapt and overcome, and help other people.
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whitesupra7 "The point is, **** happens in every job and there are people out
Senior Member there that adapt and overcome, and help other people."
Registered: Jan 2007 Exactly......and police work IS dangerous, so why are people trying
Location: to make it out to be a cake walk? Maybe it isn't the most dangerous
Posts: 108 job in the entire world, I dunno....but it is dangerous. I don't think
anyone can say it isn't dangerous, and if they say that, it's probably
because they haven't experienced the job. By the way.......I have
been shot at, and I have had onview knife fights, my comment
about that was from experience.
" your job is dangerous, if you don't like it get the f*k out....
complain"
I never complain about my job, I love it, and I like that it's
dangerous, makes my job exciting. However, I think for someone
who has never been on the job to say it's not dangerous is
ridiculous.
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01-24-2007 07:22 AM
duncan "I think that simply looking at death rates per thousand is
Moderator inaccurate in terms of "danger"."
Registered: Jul 2003 Why would it be inaccurate? Police work obviously isn't very
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado dangerous and the worst that could happen to a p*g like you would
Posts: 9006 be that you might get carpal tunnel syndrome from doing to much
posting on our forum.
"Police train to avoid death, and my training has saved me in many

situations I know of, and probably more that I don't even realize."
But you did post that you have never drawn your gun becuase you
have never needed to do so.
"A farmer for instance, does not train himself to avoid severing his
arm on farm equipment and bleeding to death. A farmer also
doesn't run towards gunfire and knife fights."
A copster is never trained to work for living. Farmers don't carry

guns and then use them to kill innocent people. Farmers don't live
off of the taxpayers nor do they get free health care. And your point
is?
"Farmers dont get shot at or assualted when trying to do their job.

Farmers don't attempt to apprehend fleeing felons, chasing them at
100mph. I think there is a lot more to look at when assessing
danger of a job. If it wasn't dangerous, I highly doubt my cheap
*** department would provide me with an $800 ballistic vest, heck
they probably wouldn't train me at all, whats the point?""
And yet more Farmers die in the line of duty than do you copscum
because you copscum never do your jobs. The fact is most of you
swine never get shot at, never get assaulted and never apprehend

any fleeing felons. Because you wear a vest has nothing to do with
the fact that more Farmers die in the line of duty than do copscum
like you.
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Rylan 2.0 They've got their hands full in my locality.

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Here are some 2005 statistics:
Location: Murders: 0
Posts: 2330
Rapes: 0
Robberies: 0
Assaults: 3
Burglaries: 21
Thefts: 125
Auto Thefts: 5
Arson: 2
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Originally posted by Rylan 2.0
No problem, they just threw this curve ball:
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misconduct.
01-25-2007 03:38 AM
Mack "Noncitizen soldiers?"

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In other words- mercenaries who "fight" (an unsupported
assumption) only to obtain a payoff.
No doubt they'll make GREAT citizens.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest would be proud.
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01-25-2007 03:42 AM
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Length of active duty before noncitizen soldiers
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whitesupra7 "But you did post that you have never drawn your gun becuase you
Senior Member have never needed to do so. - Duncan"

Location: Show me where I posted this, I draw my gun a few times a week.
Posts: 108 As for the rest of your post....some of it is so far off in left field I
dont even know how to respond. Although I'm sure you'll just come
back and say I don't want to respond, so be it.
01-25-2007 03:20 PM

whitesupra7 They've got their hands full in my locality.

Senior Member
Here are some 2005 statistics: My area
Location: Murders: 0-------------------------------- 41
Posts: 108
Rapes: 0 -----------------------------------183
Robberies: 0 ------------------------------1765
Assaults: 3 --------------------------------3665
Burglaries: 21------------------------------4589
Thefts: 125 ---------------------------------17325
Auto Thefts: 5 -----------------------------3021
Arson: 2 -----------------------------------312
My crime stats are next to yours above, Im a little busier, not NYC
stats, but not low like your area either
01-25-2007 03:28 PM
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duncan Come on porkey we all know that you changed your moniker from
Moderator BLT to the one you are using now and you clearly posted that to
date you have never shot at anyone, thus you could have never
Registered: Jul 2003 drawn your gun, according to you.
Posts: 9006 If in fact you did draw a gun, but never shot at anyone then the
person you drew your weapon was of no threat to you as they
never shot at you. For if they had shot at you then you would have
shot back. Which all means that your job is not that dangerous.
Just becuase you pulled a gun on a suspect then how does this
make your job dangerous when you consider the fact that the
suspect was not armed and by drawing your gun on an unarmed
suspect you endagered that persons life and not your own, thus
making it more dangerous to be an innocent taxpayer than a tax
consuming copsucker like you.

"Farmers dont get shot at or assualted when trying to do their job."
But a farmer could get assaulted not for being a farmer but for
being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Innocent people get
assaulted all the time and why should they since as you say it is not
apart of their job, but when we get assaulted no one calls us heros
or gives us a pay check for getting assaulted. So how many times
in your enitre life while working as a copster have you ever been
assualted? 0
"Farmers don't attempt to apprehend fleeing felons, chasing them

at 100mph."
Farm tractors can't go 100 miles an hour. How many times have
you chased a fleeing felon in your entire worthless career? 0. If in
fact you did do this then you endangered the lives of innocent
people who were also using the same roads at the time you drove
100 miles an hour in 30 mile an hour zone, thus making it more
dangerous to be a taxpayer than to be a copsucker like you.
"I think there is a lot more to look at when assesing danger of a

job. If it wasn't dangerous, I highly doubt my cheap ***
department would provide me with an $800 ballistic vest, heck they
probably wouldn't train me at all, whats the point?"""
A farmer can't do his job with a bullet proof vest on and like you no
one is shooting at the farmer. Putting on a piece of clothing doesn't
make your job dangerous it just means you put on a heavy piece of
clothing so as to make it appear that your job is dangerous. How
many times have you been shot at? 0.
Your department, like all deparments, need to show society a

justification for their pathetic existence and so they lie about how
dangerous their job is so that the the city will give them more
money. the fact is that it is more dangerous to be a Farmer than it
is to be lazy copster like you.
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01-25-2007 06:13 PM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006 If in fact you did do this then you endangered the
Location: lives of innocent people who were also using the
Posts: 2330 same roads at the time you drove 100 miles an
hour in 30 mile an hour zone, thus making it more
dangerous to be a taxpayer than to be a
copsucker like you.
Interesting point.
Police Pursuit Related Deaths 1994-2002
2055 People In The Fleeing Vehicles
946 Innocent Civilians
145 Police Officers
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liberranter quote:
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"Noncitizen soldiers?"
In other words- mercenaries who "fight" (an

unsupported assumption) only to obtain a
payoff.
No doubt they'll make GREAT citizens.
General Nathan Bedford Forrest would be

Registered: Jun 2005 proud.
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Since no one in a position of power ever reads let alone learns

from history, they undoubtedly slept through Ancient History
classes covering the fact that the collapse of the Roman Empire
in the Fifth Century was brought about in huge part by the fact
that a huge percentage of the legions by that time were not
manned by Romans, but by Germanic mercenaries. The Roman
masses had lost interest in defending the Empire by this point
and were averse to military service even as their country was
being overrun by barbarian invaders, many of them wearing the
uniforms of the legions.
The old saw that true history repeats itself isn't just a cliche.
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01-25-2007 07:24 PM

whitesupra7 Duncan,
Senior Member
Think what you would like about police work, I don't care. In my
Registered: Jan 2007 personal opinion, it's dangerous. You opinion doesn't matter to me,
Location: you are an entity over the internet.
Posts: 108
As far as me being someone else, I may have missed something,
but if you truly think I'm someone else, prove it.
01-27-2007 01:41 AM
Capt.Spaulding quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2007 Duncan,
Location: Houston Texas Think what you would like about police work, You
Posts: 122 opinion doesn't matter to me, you are an entity
over the internet.
Hey Supra, Thats a Moderator your talking to.
01-27-2007 04:24 AM
OldManSenile quote:
Member
Registered: Feb 2006 Duncan,
Location: Missouri
Posts: 88 Think what you would like about police work, I
don't care. In my personal opinion, it's
dangerous. You opinion doesn't matter to me, you
are an entity over the internet.
As far as me being someone else, I may have

missed something, but if you truly think I'm
someone else, prove it.
White,

I'll comment later............. I'm just holding my place. Its late, and I
worked a 16 hr shift. You can bet your ass I'll comment later today.
OMS
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DstormSeabee whitesupra7
Junior Member
First of all I would like to know how old you are and how long you
have been in L.E.
Registered: Jan 2007 You like the danger, would this mean you are possibly prone to
Location: being trigger happy?
Posts: 14
Do you really need 4 or 5 officers at a routine traffic stop?
I have seen this numerous times and experienced it. It was
humerous.
Why does a cop have to be a smart@#s when they pull you over?
Is this possibly delusions of grandeur?
Are you required as part of your training to be paranoid?
What happened to respect?
Considering how the law classifies a gang, could police officers be

categorized as such?
If you know of officers breaking the law and do not report them
than you are a coward.
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Originally posted by DstormSeabee

Registered: Jan 2007 First of all I would like to know how old you are and how long you
Location:
Posts: 108 have been in L.E.
-Im a rook, and im young.
You like the danger, would this mean you are possibly prone to
being trigger happy?
-I like a little danger, but that doesn't make me trigger happy, I've
never shot at anyone. I think a little excitement is better than being
stuck behind a desk of a stock broker making rich people richer.

humerous.
-First of all, there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop. The only
time I had that many officers on a stop was for a stolen vehicle I
had followed for several miles. A woman had approached my
vehicle on foot and told me that her car was stolen overnight,
giving me the make, model and tag. An hour later I saw the same
car and followed it while attempting to get some help before
stopping it. I attempted to setup a road block a few hundred yards
up the road, consisting of about 6 other officers. When I
approached the vehicle that was stolen, I opened the door and
attemped to pull the driver out. He tried to floor the gas and ended
up dragging me for about 20 feet. I should have shot him, but I
didn't and he almost ran over my seargeant. He then struck a
citizen's vehicle and lost control down into a ditch before exiting the
car and running towards a patch of woods. Myself and two other
officers eventually caught him after he nearly knocked himself out
on a tree limb. Later turns out he had been arrested 31 times for
auto theft in the past, and had crack cocaine is his possession, nice
guy.
-Believe it or not, I try to be nice when I pull someone over.
-No, just carefull.
-I believe I still maintain it.


-I guess you could say that if you wanted, after all, the simple
definition of a gang doesn't classify a "gang" as evil or bad.
- I arrested one a few weeks ago for stolen goods. I had no qualms
about it, because those are the kind of people who make people like
the ones on this forum hate me. Following the arrest, I was
contacted by internal affairs, but only to send a copy of the report.
I have not been threatened, or fired and I was even given a "nice
work" by my Sgt. and Lt. I believe I did the right thing, the person
asked for proffesional courtesy, and I declined. I don't believe
professional courtesy extends to anything more than something I
would give a normal person a warning for, and told that person so.
This person told me they had a "different outlook" on my
department, of course in a negative way.
01-27-2007 02:28 PM
duncan "Think what you would like about police work, I don't care. In my
Moderator personal opinion, it's dangerous. You opinion doesn't matter to me,
you are an entity over the internet."
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I think nothing, I know for a fact police work ain't very dangerous
Posts: 9006 and the facts clearly show that what I know is correct. The vocation
of copscuking doesn't even rank in the top twenty as being the
most dangerous jobs. Your worthless opinion doesn't match up to
the facts. My position is not an opinion it is based on the fact that
police work ain't very dangerous.
"As far as me being someone else, I may have missed something,

but if you truly think I'm someone else, prove it."
I did prove it. You used the word "noone" instead of the words no
one on another string and this is the MO of BLT. You showed up
right after BLT was placed in our "Pen". This ain't rocket science
and it all so proves that to be cop you don't have to be very
intelligent.
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01-27-2007 02:46 PM
duncan Originally posted by DstormSeabee

Moderator First of all I would like to know how old you are and how long you
have been in L.E.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado -Im a rook, and im young.
Posts: 9006
What you are is a pathetic f*cking liar.
You like the danger, would this mean you are possibly prone to
being trigger happy?
-I like a little danger, but that doesn't make me trigger happy, I've
never shot at anyone. I think a little excitement is better than being
stuck behind a desk of a stock broker making rich people richer.
But din't you just post some crap about being shot at and shooting
back? Cahsing fleeing fleons and all that other BS? So I was right
you never chased a fleeing felon and you have never shot at
anyone or been shot at, thus your job is not very dangerous. We
ain't interested in being taxed for you to have a cheap thrill. The
real reason your copscukers is that you enjoy the thrill of f8cking
with innocent people. I'm gald I got you to finally admit it.

humerous.
"-First of all, there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop. The

only time I had that many officers on a stop was for a stolen vehicle
I had followed for several miles."
Why did you follow the guy for several miles? You got off on the
thrill of doing a chase at 100 miles an hour in a 30 mile zone didn't
you? So when you stop someone for speeding you pull a gun on
them? Is this what you mean by there is no such thng as a routine
traffic stop?
"A woman had approached my vehicle on foot and told me that her
car was stolen overnight, giving me the make, model and tag. An

hour later I saw the same car and followed it while attempting to
get some help before stopping it."
Do you believe everything you are told? Maybe she had hard on for
her boy friend and claimed that her car was stolen to get even with
the guy.
"I attempted to setup a road block a few hundred yards up the

road, consisting of about 6 other officers."
How did you manage to follow the guy several miles and set up a
road block at the same time? Why not stop him right away?
"When I approached the vehicle that was stolen, I opened the door
and attemped to pull the driver out."
How do you know it was stolen? You based this on the word of one
person?
"He tried to floor the gas and ended up dragging me for about 20
feet."
Let me get this right you followed the guy for several miles, set up
a road block and then the you were dragged for 20 feet. How do
you know that it was 20 feet? At the time you were allegedly being
dragged did you pull out a tape measure and measure the distance
of the drag at the time you were being dragged? If this is the case
then how did you mange to hang on to the door with both hands?
Why did you hang on to the door at all? I find your crap most
amusing. Only an idiot would grab the door of a moving car and
then hang on to it when he supposedly has a road block set up.
"I should have shot him, but I didn't and he almost ran over my
seargeant."
Well dumbass amybe this is why he floored it. If I thought soem

stupid swine like would shoot me down over an imaginary crime
then i would f*cking floor it as well. to bad he missed that fat a$$
Sgt.
"He then struck a citizen's vehicle and lost control down into a ditch
before exiting the car and running towards a patch of woods."
But according to you there was road block set up. How did the guy
manage to get around your imaginary road block?
"Myself and two other officers eventually caught him after he nearly
knocked himself out on a tree limb. Later turns out he had been
arrested 31 times for auto theft in the past, and had crack cocaine
is his possession, nice guy."
I'm sorry but I think yer full of crap. Unless you can site the date,
time, place and the name of the suspect then we have no way to
verify your nonsense.

-Believe it or not, I try to be nice when I pull someone over.
You've been a smart a$$ since you got here. The proof is in your
posts, thus proving to us that once agin you will lie.
-No, just carefull.
He is paranoid this why he refuse to post any verification.
-I believe I still maintain it.
Not on this forum you haven't. You have shown me and other a
total disrespect. As BLT you were told to obey our rules and when
you refused you were tossed into the Pen for disrepecting us and
our forum. You were told to leave and yet here you are violating
our propey rights by using another moniker.

-I guess you could say that if you wanted, after all, the simple
definition of a gang doesn't classify a "gang" as evil or bad.
You are an evil gang member. Tere is no doubt in our minds as to

this.
- I arrested one a few weeks ago for stolen goods. I had no qualms
about it, because those are the kind of people who make people like
the ones on this forum hate me. Following the arrest, I was
contacted by internal affairs, but only to send a copy of the report.
I have not been threatened, or fired and I was even given a "nice
work" by my Sgt. and Lt. I believe I did the right thing, the person
asked for proffesional courtesy, and I declined. I don't believe
professional courtesy extends to anything more than something I
would give a normal person a warning for, and told that person so.
This person told me they had a "different outlook" on my
department, of course in a negative way.
What's his name? You make people hate you.
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I like a little danger, but that doesn't make me trigger happy, I've
Registered: Aug 2005 never shot at anyone. I think a little excitement is better than being
Location: Austin, TX stuck behind a desk of a stock broker making rich people richer.
Posts: 280
To me, the value of a job is the contribution that it makes toward
improving the human condition. I also think that is what upsets so
many posters in these fora who see that the once necessary and
beneficial function of law enforcement has so perverted itself into
actual harm to society rather than a benefit. SOLs, however, refuse
to see the change in their profession or the damage that they now
foist in the name of “protection.”
First of all, there is no such thing as a routine traffic stop.
Oh, please. Spare us the clichés. Speed enforcement by itself is a

$100+ billion dollar industry and very few of those stops yields
anything but an involuntary transfer of wealth to the public sector.
Believe it or not, I try to be nice when I pull someone over.
I’ll take you at your word on that. To the motorist, however, the
stop is very stressful and most of them recognize that speeding
stops are more random in nature than targeted at dangerous
behavior where immediate intervention is required to assure public
safety. It also makes you virtually unique because so many of your
brethren are not as nice. And none of this even begins to recognize
that the stop is mean-spirited in the first place.
I guess you could say that [cops could be classified as a gang] if

you wanted, after all, the simple definition of a gang doesn't classify
a "gang" as evil or bad.

Yet, politicians, prosecutors and police use a definition of “gang”

that best suits their particular purpose, to intrude into the personal
lives of others.
I arrested [an officer] a few weeks ago for stolen goods. . . . the
person asked for professional courtesy, and I declined. . . . This
person told me they had a "different outlook" on my department, of
course in a negative way.
Sadly, all that likely distills down to short-term employment for

you. The way to clean up law enforcement is at the macro level –
rescission of intrusive laws; refocus on protection of individual,
Constitutionally enumerated rights rather than wholesale arrest,
prosecution, and incarceration as an industry – and not at the micro
level – the arrest of a few “rogue” cops to assure the public that the
force is under control.
In short, you should be lobbying your lieutenant, captain, and

legislators to rescind unnecessary laws aimed at controlling
personal behavior that affects only the actor and not the audience.
This would include drug laws, speed limits, seatbelt and helmet
laws, etc.
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whitesupra7 To me, the value of a job is the contribution that it makes toward
Senior Member improving the human condition. I also think that is what upsets so
many posters in these fora who see that the once necessary and
Registered: Jan 2007 beneficial function of law enforcement has so perverted itself into
Location: actual harm to society rather than a benefit. SOLs, however, refuse
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to see the change in their profession or the damage that they now
foist in the name of “protection.”
-This is true, but I do actually feel as if I help people sometimes, if

you take my story above about the stolen vehicle, the lady did get
her vehicle back, and did call me to thank me. That idiot had
pawned off her two child seats and stolen her credit cards, nice guy.
[Oh, please. Spare us the clichés. Speed enforcement by itself is a

$100+ billion dollar industry and very few of those stops yields
anything but an involuntary transfer of wealth to the public sector.
-I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to stand firm on this one. When

you pull over a vehicle, there is no possible way you can know who
is in the vehicle. It may be a person who just robbed a bank, or
raped a girl, or commited any number of crimes, or just have a
warrant out and not feel like going to jail. You as an officer think
that it's a "routine" traffic stop for a tailight, and the operator of the
vehicle thinks you know what crime he just commited. Many
officers have died this way. Not to mention you may get run over
by a passing motorist.....
On the topic of speeding tickets, I don't write them but every so
often. I wrote 4 speeding tickets this year (2006), and I firmly
believe that they deserved them. I feel that since I have exceeded
the speed limit in my life more than my fair share, that it is
hipocrisy to write speeding tickets. I waste all my tickets on
suspended/revoked drivers and people who don't have insurance,
or have unregistered vehicles. I write these because they are non-
discretionary tickets, the operator made the mistake, and they can't
deny that.
Yet, politicians, prosecutors and police use a definition of “gang”

that best suits their particular purpose, to intrude into the personal
lives of others.
I agree, and I don't really believe in "gangs" as much as the media

suggests we should.
Sadly, all that likely distills down to short-term employment for

you. The way to clean up law enforcement is at the macro level –
rescission of intrusive laws; refocus on protection of individual,
Constitutionally enumerated rights rather than wholesale arrest,
prosecution, and incarceration as an industry – and not at the micro
level – the arrest of a few “rogue” cops to assure the public that the
force is under control.
-Well, I figure a bunch of small moves can equal one big move. I
hate people who make me look bad because they do something
stupid.
In short, you should be lobbying your lieutenant, captain, and

legislators to rescind unnecessary laws aimed at controlling
personal behavior that affects only the actor and not the audience.
This would include drug laws, speed limits, seatbelt and helmet
laws, etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
-I'm sorry, but I believe in the drug laws, and I think they are
necessary. I know most people on this forum probably disagree, but
it's just my opinion. I don't really enforce marijuana as much, but
the other drugs I definetely enforce. I've made my statement on
speeding. Seatbelt laws- you wanna kill yourself, go ahead.

01-28-2007 02:54 AM
DstormSeabee whitesupra7
Junior Member
If you don't think "Ticketing" is all about revenue, you are a foolish
robot. You don't give a crap about saving someones life, you do
what you are told and taught to do. Be a man and think for yourself.
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DstormSeabee whitesupra7, drugs and speeding

Junior Member
This site is not about drugs or condoning them. Are we being

paranoid again. The truth hurts don't it. You think you can speed
every where you go. Is it because you are a cop? Are you above the
Registered: Jan 2007 law? No you are not. I'll say it again, if you or anyone else knows of
Location: a fellow officer breaking the law, no matter how minutely, because
Posts: 14
that is how you do the people, and do not report them than you are
a coward and a traitor to the American people.
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whitesupra7 Everyone in this country speeds. If you go 1mph over the speed
Senior Member limit, you are speeding. I was guilty of speeding far before I was
ever an officer. I've already stated that I don't give speeding
Registered: Jan 2007 tickets, so stop with the patriotic speech, you most likely speed too.
Location:
Posts: 108 From an officer's perspective, there is no winning with a person like
you. You basically want me to do the exact speed limit, but not care
when you are 7mph over the limit. I dont have the "do as I say
mentality", I do speed sometimes, so I don't hand out tickets for
speeding. You don't want fairness, you want revenge. I don't feel
that specific speed is dangerous, but that a person's driving should
be in control and safe. I said that I don't issue many speeding
tickets per year, you have to do something REALLY stupid to get a
speeding ticket from me, like traveling 90mph in a 45. I will issue
you a ticket for that because I believe it's dangerous. I don't run
radar, and I don't care about you doing 15 mph over the speed
limit, I have criminals to catch. You can see in my area's statistics
above that we DO have crimes. I believe that insuance companies

have enough money, and I don't think they should be getting more
from jacking up rates from points on your license. However, in a
few situations, I think there is a time and a place where a ticket is
necessary. I think many officers overuse the ticket books, when
they should be concentrating on other criminal activity.
This site claims not to be anti-cop, but I still get blamed for the
problems of all the bad officers in the country.
01-28-2007 02:52 PM
James Young The issue with speed limits is that they have been used by law
Moderator enforcement to accomplish two things unrelated to the ostensible
original purposes. First, they are used to raise huge amounts of
Registered: Aug 2005 revenue with no corresponding improvement in public services. The
Location: Austin, TX explosion of speedtraps in chickensh!t little villages is testimony to
Posts: 280
the power of economics and the lure of easy money. Next, they
serve as an excuse to initiate a traffic stop from which other
“offenses” frequently arise. In harsher terms, they open the door to
even more egregious abuses.
The issue with cops exceeding the arbitrary limit is not the danger
they pose – which, as with citizens, is negligible – but the hypocrisy
that it signifies.
As to being blamed for all bad officers, I quote Edmund Burke (and
later Albert Einstein): The only thing necessary for the triumph of
evil is for good men to do nothing. Law enforcement as an
institution has degraded itself from within and the “good cops”
cannot escape responsibility since they have done too little to stop
it. Only when you have worked actively to rescind all laws aimed at
personal behavior can you claim innocence.
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liberranter quote:
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Originally posted by James Young
Speed enforcement by itself is a $100+ billion

dollar industry and very few of those stops
yields anything but an involuntary transfer of
wealth to the public sector.

The saddest and yet rather most hilarious aspect of this is that
Posts: 5865 the collectors benefit not at all from the collection of all of this
money. The average cop who is so dedicated to make his "ticket
quota" sees not one penny of this money go into his own pocket
or even enhance the operation of his own department, at least
not legally. Whether he writes one ticket per month or one
thousand, neither his own wallet nor his own department's
budget is any better off for it. He is still, at the end of the day,
a lowly jannissary/legionnaire who earns less money per month
than the average unskilled blue-collar laborer and is usually
forced to take at least one second job to supplement his
pathetic "legal" income.
So who's the sucker here? For all of their trite babbling about
how much society values them and their "services," it should be
(and almost certainly is, even though they'll die before they
admit it) readily apparent to the average cop that judging by his
paycheck alone, he is nothing but a disposable cog in a machine
that gives not a damn about the safety, rights, and property of
the citizenry, or even the competence and effectiveness of its
own "law enforcement" officers, but is all about enriching the
powers that be, a role in which the cop is but a lowly collector
who doesn't even get a commission (legally earned, that is) on
the profits he rakes in. If he stops to dwell on this painful little
factoid, he will come to realize just how demeaning and
humiliating his role of "traffic safety enforcer" truly is. This is
perhaps the reason corruption so readily overpowers even the
most idealistic and well-intentioned cop after a very short time.
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duncan Now let me get this right. You think just following a guy a few miles
Moderator is dangerous? You think getting dragged at a low speed for twenty
feet is dangerous?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It sounds to me like you have a whole new definition of what
Posts: 9006 dangerous means.
It seems to me that being a car thief is a whole lot more dangerous

than being a copscum. The car thief didn't even have a gun and he
was up agianst six thugs who all had guns. No wonder the guy
floored it.
Why is it when a Farmer gets dragged twenty feet by a piece of

moving farm equipment he never gets a mention in the local paper?
He never gets a pat on the back by the local tax consuming
copsucker who lives off of his wealth? He never gets even a part of
his tax money back to go towards paying for his medical bills?

We need Farmers a whole lot more than we need copscukers like

you who do nothing but lie and whine about their ever worthless
profession. The Farmer's of Amerika feeds us and you don't ya fat
piece of sh*t.
So if in fact you are a rookie then how is it you suddenly got the
authority to follow anyone all by your self and set up road blocks?
Gottcha liar.
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01-28-2007 07:42 PM
duncan To me, the value of a job is the contribution that it makes

Moderator toward improving the human condition.
Registered: Jul 2003 And you contribute nothing to our society. You live off of our wealth
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado and by so doing you have lessened our qulaity of life. We have no
Posts: 9006 need of your uselessness what we need is our money so that we
can afford things like health care.
What upsets us that you are a tax consuming parasite who sits
around on his fat a$$ posting your bullsh*t on our private forum,
thus providing no services what so ever to anyone but your self.
Now that is perverted.
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01-28-2007 07:47 PM
whitesupra7 You are wasting your time writing replies like that duncan. First,
Senior Member they don't make any sense and second, I don't care. Rationality
doesn't seem to be your strongpoint in my opinion.
Location: By the way, if you think because I'm a rookie(1.5 years on) that I
Posts: 108 can't follow a stolen car for a few miles before setting up a road
block, you are mistaken. Thats standard procedure, I was trained to
do that. I also did not grab the car door, I opened it, grabbed him
and got caught on the seatbelt.
I would also venture to say that being dragged by a vehicle at any

speed poses a genuine threat to a person's saftey. However, the
gas was floored, tires peeling and speed was increasing very
quickly. You are WAY out in left field. I don't know where your mind
is when you write some of this stuff. This next part is very
important :
****** It seems as if you fill in the blanks of statements I've made

with you own thoughts, then say that I said what you thought, and
then reply to your to your own thoughts. In other words, you are
talking to yourself over the internet.******
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01-29-2007 02:47 AM

duncan The point is p8g that simply following a car or being dragged for
Moderator twenty feet is not a dangerous thing. Many of us on this forum have
perosnally been involved in situations that are alot more dangerous
Registered: Jul 2003 than the one you just described and if this is the best you got, then
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you got nothin.
Posts: 9006
If you've been a swine for 1.5 years then you would no longer be a
rookie after one year. So why did you lie about being a rookie ?
How does one follow a car and at the same time set up a road
block? What kind of idiot hangs on to the door of a moving car?
What you have posted makes no sense and lacks any reasoning on
your part. The car thief had no gun and so how does following an
unarmed suspect make your job dangerous? If you act stupidly by
holding onto the door of a moving car then whose fault is this? Not
the car thiefs. Were you trianed to hold on to the door of a moving
car? You're joke as are all cops.
Your imaginary road block didn't work very well as the guy floored
his car and hit another car. You were the one to blame for your lack
of intelligence in not being able to set up a proper raod block so
that no one could get injured. If you had stopped the guy right
away then there would have been no problems later. The facts is
you swine will take the word of an irrate girl friend and stop an
unsuspecting victim of fraud in your attempt to be a hero. The
reason you held onto the door of a moving car is because you
thought it a heroic act. You did it for the thrills.
The fact is farm work is more dangerous than being a copsucker

and you can't deal with this fact.
How is catching one car thief a service to the community? It wasn't

a deterence to catch him because as you stated earlier this was the
fourth or fifth time he was busted for car theft. So much for crime
prevention on your part.
He didn't steal my car because I lock the doors and have a security
alarm on my car and I have never had a car stolen from me
because of these reasons. Over the period of my life time I have
owned several new cars like a Mazda Miata, a Honda Accord, a
Lincoln Conitinental etc... . Why is it that my car never gets stolen?
Who's fault was it when a car gets stolen in the first place? Why
should those of us who are responsible and lock our car doors be
made to pay for another persons lack of responsiblity?
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duncan "I would also venture to say that being dragged by a vehicle at any
Moderator speed poses a genuine threat to a person's saftey. However, the
gas was floored, tires peeling and speed was increasing very
Registered: Jul 2003 quickly. You are WAY out in left field. I don't know where your mind
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado is when you write some of this stuff. This next part is very
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important :"
He went from a dead stop to flooring it and you were dragged

twenty feet. How fast was the guy going up to twenty feet? Why did
you hold onto the door of a moving car? You endangered your own
life and it was not the car thief who endangered your life. This
makes it your problem and not ours. How far could the guy have
gotten? Eventually he has to stop some time due to a lack of
gasoline. Shooting out a tire might have helped.
The fact that you refuse to cite any source to your false claim is
another reason we have a hard time buying any of your BS. There
is no way in hell that the guy could build up enough speed with in
twenty feet to be of much harm to you and it was you who held
onto the door of a moving car. Who was the guy? What was he
driving? Were did this so-called event take place?
None of your BS makes any sense at all. While following the guy
several miles at the same time you set up a road block all bye
yourself and then the guy ran your road block even after he
stopped his car. Was he trying to kill the SGT. or was he just trying
to get away and the fat ass SGT. was standing right in front of a
moving car and refused to get out of the way so he could say "Gee
my job is dangerous"? What kind of idiot stands in front of a
moving car? The same kind of idiot who hangs on to the door of a
moving car.
Do you mean to tell us that this kind of common sense doesn't

make any sense to a clown like you? Come on dumbass when you
are near a moving car then get the f*ck out of the way and get off

of those f*cking steriods Mr. Macho man.
"****** It seems as if you fill in the blanks of statements I've

made with you own thoughts, then say that I said what you
thought, and then reply to your to your own thoughts. In other
words, you are talking to yourself over the internet.******"
Hey stupid you're on my thread and attempting to skirt the

question of the thread and you're responding to all of my posts. If
you can't handle me or the debate then leave. If you continue to
insult me and ignore my questions then you will be made to leave.
Why do copscum lie about thier jobs being so dangerous? I have

posted the fact that your worthless porefession is not even listed in
the top ten of most dangerous profession in the USA and I doubt if
it even ranks in the top thirty.
All of the rest of us know the answer to the question, but the
reason that I posted it was to get you to answer it or prove to us
once again that all copscukers are lying scum and will stoop to any
form low reasoning to justify a need for their worthless profession.
Does the farmer tax me for his labor? Does the construction worker
tax me for his labor? So who were in the f*ck do you get off taxing
us for your non-services? You want to compare the profession of
farming to yours and so we shall. The farmer feeds us and what do
you do for us? Keep in mind we asked for the farmers services and
we never asked for yours nor were we ever asked if we even
wanted it. What part of this line of reasoning are you unable to
grasp?
I realize that I'm dealing with a GED holder but come on this sh8t
ain't rocket science.
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01-29-2007 02:39 PM
Capt.Spaulding LOL, Looks like supra just got his ass handed to em....
Senior Member You can't come in here and play with Duncun you fool.... What in
the hell were you thinking?
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01-29-2007 04:29 PM
James Young duncan writes in several posts:

Moderator
What upsets us that you are a tax consuming parasite who sits
Registered: Aug 2005 around on his fat a$$ posting your bullsh*t on our private forum,
Location: Austin, TX thus providing no services what so ever to anyone but your self.
Posts: 280 . . .Hey stupid you're on my thread and attempting to skirt the
question of the thread and you're responding to all of my posts. If
you can't handle me or the debate then leave. If you continue to
insult me and ignore my questions then you will be made to leave.
. . .Why do copscum lie about thier jobs being so dangerous?
. . .I realize that I'm dealing with a GED holder but come on this
sh8t ain't rocket science.
Enough already.
You’re not helping with real reform but merely acting to piss off the
few cops who venture here and who could possibly take our
message back to the stationhouse. Anybody can call names and
sling BS from the anonymity of an Internet chat board, you and me
included. What only a few can provide is evidence and analysis to
support our case and try to convince others -- who would ordinarily
be antagonistic to that case -- of the validity of our argument.
By calling for condemnation of all who disagree, i.e., removing their

posting privileges, you remove any chance at dialogue, effectively
removing one of our outside ladder rails. I sincerely doubt that any
poster here needs the “protection” of having any other poster
banished. I can certainly handle them, offering points that are
irrefutable and supporting my own case. By removing that
audience, you limit the exposure of our message to those who need
it the most.
Let’s be very clear about this. Law enforcement has a serious

problem, one that affects all of us as citizens and as people. Their
problem is not the individual cop in the car – he is merely a
symptom – but is systemic, institutional in nature. Therefore,
attacking the individual cop – no matter how self-satisfying or how

deserved – is ultimately ineffective in modifying institutional

behavior. Do they need to improve their individual acts? Certainly,
and they also need to refocus on satisfying the desires of a citizenry
that above all else just wants to be left alone, rather than acting as
the coercive arm of politicians and those with antidemocratic
agendas.
The problem is the explosion of laws aimed at criminalizing private

behavior and therefore increasing the number of control points,
which is not the fault of the individual cop, although they are
responsible for actively seeking those laws and for using them to
the detriment of citizens. We must concentrate on real reform,
attacking the institution first and then getting the individual to
rethink his position, focus and to work on behalf of citizens.
I suppose it distills down to what, exactly, you are looking for:

flagellation or enlightenment.
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01-29-2007 11:45 PM
duncan Do you really think that the copsters are going to help me abolish
Moderator their profession?
Registered: Jul 2003 With this in mind then there ain't much to tlak about, the idea of
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado reform is out the door as I am way beyond that kind of nonsense.
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01-30-2007 12:19 AM
whitesupra7 Duncan, I really did try to read your post, I swear. The problem is,
Senior Member you didn't read mine, and you are arguing points that I never
made. For instance:
Location: I post that I get stuck on the seatbelt inside the car......and you ask
Posts: 108 me why I held onto the door handle. That doesn't make any sense,
no offense intended, but please go back and read my post. You
seem to post your immediate thoughts without any regard to what I
said at all.
You stated that if I have 1.5 years on, I'm lying about being a
rookie. As far as most people I know are concerned, I am a rookie
until at least 3-4 years on. Is your definition of "rookie" in the
dictionary. Just because my defintion doesn't agree with yours
doesn't make me a liar.
You ask how can I follow a car and setup a roadblock at the same
time.....I don't understand what is hard about this. I get on the
radio and tell other units to setup a mile or so up the highway. This
is simple training, we are trained to do this to avoid pursuits, which
are dangerous. As far as the roadblock not being setup correctly,
the entire road was blocked, he took it upon himself to ram a
citizens car and then try to drive over a curb and down into a ditch
to get away, his car then hit a tree and he took off running.
I really can't win with you. I actually listen to a citizen's complaint

(which you claim we don't do), and then take the initiative to try
and help get the citizen's car back. All you can say is that I
shouldn't have believed her story. So I'm wrong for believing her,
and I'm also wrong when I don't take the word of the public as the
truth. Which do you want me to do? Then you criticize me for
actually helping someone who was deprived of their personal
property. He had broken in the window and popped the ingition, she
did not leave her doors unlocked. Maybe the reason you have never
had a vehicle stolen is luck, maybe it's that you don't live in a high
crime area, I dunno. All you can say is that I put the CAR THIEF
was in danger ....how can you say this, he is a felon, he stole a car
and tried to run people over. The constitution says no person shall
be deprived of property, and you want me to keep my oath, but
don't want me to help a citizen retrieve her car? I don't get it. With
you, even if I do my job, I'm still wrong. If I help someone I'm
wrong, and if I don't help someone, I'm wrong.
I got stuck inside the car and the way I was positioned, I could
have fallen under the car and been run over. How is this not a
threat to my safety?

You asked how catching a car theif is a service to the community. I

dont think I should even have to reply to this, but seeing as you
would like me to answer all of your questions, so be it.
-Do you want me or another officer to just let someone drive off in
YOUR car next time? Or would you complain I wasn't doing my job?
I don't see how catching someone who just stole a $20k car isn't a
service to a citizen. If I don't catch him, she has to claim the car
through insurance, and her rates go up, not to mention she has to
buy a new car. Plus, she ASKED me to help find her car, am I
supposed to ignore her?
"Shooting a tire may have helped"
-This statement is ridiculous. Shooting tires is extremely unsafe as

well as far from fool proof. A stray round which bounces off the
steel wheel or a body panel could richochet and hit a citizen. Real
life is not the same as movies.
As far as my story is concerned, it's just one story, and I was giving
an example. I tried to shorten the story so it didn't take up an
entire page of a thread, and then you accuse me of lying because I
leave out the details. I never intended the story to be scrutinized, if
so, I would have provided a better explaination of the entire
incident. You weren't there, have no idea what really happend,
don't know police procedure for my department, try to make a car
theif look like an innocent victim.....and worst of all you make
completely absurd assumptions about what happend so you can
convince yourself I'm lying. Why? What if I'm really not lying?
01-30-2007 04:16 AM
Grinder Clearly Duncan and a few others on this forum feel they got the
Junior Member shaft from law enforcement on an occasion or possibly several.
Maybe they did? Maybe they didn't?... I don't know the details of
Registered: Jan 2007 their individual experiences. Did he get a few traffic tickets and an
Location: Capitol District unjustified baton upside the head?... or is he one of these
Posts: 23
boneheads that wonders why he got shot when he pulled his
handgun out during the traffic stop?
Having unjustified wrong done to you will understandably change

your entire outlook on law enforcement for life. Maybe you live a
perfect life and nothing bad happens or has ever happened to you
except at the hands of a few local rent-a-cops. To speak of law
enforcement in general they way you do is not helping anything.
There are countless people suffering from the crystal meth epidemic
plaguing this country. People and their children are being randomly
victimized by organized crime entities such as MS-13, Hells Angels
and Bandidos. I hardly feel sorry for people who complain about
getting traffic tickets.

What is Duncan's beef anyway?... Im just curious.
01-30-2007 08:03 AM
James Young duncan writes:

Moderator
Do you really think that the copsters are going to help me abolish
Registered: Aug 2005 their profession?
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 280 With this in mind then there ain't much to tlak about, the idea of
reform is out the door as I am way beyond that kind of nonsense.
So, in other words, you have given up and now wish only to extract
revenge. That explains much.
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01-30-2007 02:08 PM
James Young Grinder writes:

Moderator
Clearly Duncan and a few others on this forum feel they got the
Registered: Aug 2005 shaft from law enforcement on an occasion or possibly several.
Posts: 280 I won’t presume to answer for duncan but I can assure you than
people on and off of this forum have suffered at the hands of law
enforcement.
To speak of law enforcement in general they way you do is not

helping anything.
Perhaps not, but the police seem to have no desire to correct their
behavior on their own. It is time for citizen control of police forces
There are countless people suffering from the crystal meth epidemic
plaguing this country. People and their children are being randomly
victimized by organized crime entities such as MS-13, Hells Angels
and Bandidos. I hardly feel sorry for people who complain about
Traffic tickets are a huge industry, speeding tickets alone

generating $100+ billion dollars a year. In Texas, speeding cites by

the DPS were just over twice all other violations combined,
including commercial operations. Assuming that this pattern holds
for the rest of the nation, that would put the involuntary transfer of
money at about $150 billion annually.
Why don’t the police call for the rescission of speed limits in favor of
R&P? That $100+ billion speaks much more loudly than the whisper
of the citizenry whose protest is simply ignoring posted limits. The
police and their minions such as AAA, the insurance industry, and
NHTSA -- those who have a financial interest in the status quo --
cry that increases in speed limits will inevitably lead to a
‘bloodbath,” their word, not mine. It never does, of course, and the
statistics, statistics that come from you, the cops, reveal that there
is no correlation between the levels of speed limits or the levels of
enforcement of those limits, and key safety measurements. Let’s be
crystal clear here: no correlation means no causation. “Excessive
speeds,” whatever that means today, do not cause crashes but do
provide a convenient excuse to stop a motorist about which you are
curious.
Drugs such as crystal meth are bad for you and you shouldn’t use
them. However, the war on those drugs is far more damaging than
the drugs themselves, costs more and achieves less than if they
were decriminalized and given away for free. That would end the
amalgam of gangs and loosely organized crime because their profit
would disappear instantaneously. Why have the police not offered
this as a solution? Because it would remove a huge amount of their
power to intrude into and control the lives of others.
The question you must ask yourself is, “what is my real purpose as
an officer? Is it to blindly arrest any who violate the laws or is it to
protect the citizens from real harm to their persons or their
property?” Arresting or citing somebody for excessive tint or
excessive speed is arbitrary and does society no good but does
cause harm.
Law enforcement has a huge problem, one it brought on itself. The

individual cogs in that machine blindly follow the dictates of the
superior officers without consideration of the effect on the public or
even themselves. We don’t need the explosion of laws and we
certainly don’t need you to enforce them, to protect us from
potential harms that personal, not societal. I can decide for myself
if or when I want to ingest cannabis, drive 80 mph versus 70 mph,
wear my sealtbelt, or how wide my driveway is going to be. Do
away with all the silly personal behavior laws and you’ll be much
better off.
People no longer trust the cops because the cops have abused that
trust. Minorities in Los Angeles complained for years that they were
mistreated, some even killed, by officers in that area. When this
abuse was captured on video – most famously in George Holliday’s
tape of the cops beating up Rodney King – the whole world could
see that the minority complaint was correct and that the cops

excuses were a pack of lies. Yet, to this day, the cops still try to
rationalize that tape and are still killing people. In short, the cops
caused those riots in Los Angeles and should be held strictly
accountable for them.
I could go on and on but the old saw rings true: LEO, first heal
thyself.
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01-30-2007 02:12 PM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
There are countless people suffering from the
Registered: Dec 2006 crystal meth epidemic plaguing this country.
Location: People and their children are being randomly
Posts: 2330 victimized by organized crime entities such as MS-
13, Hells Angels and Bandidos.
Groups that thrive thanks to the drug laws you enforce.
quote:
I hardly feel sorry for people who complain about

Great logic.
(I loved the post, James.)
01-30-2007 02:32 PM

whitesupra7 James, I see that you are a logical person and that you have valid
Senior Member points to argue. I may not agree with you on some of them, but at
least you actually attempt to present an argument rather than just
Registered: Jan 2007 blindly bashing. I agreed with a lot of your posts, but I have to
Location: comment on this post:
Posts: 108
" I can decide for myself if or when I want to ingest cannabis, drive
80 mph versus 70 mph, wear my sealtbelt, or how wide my
driveway is going to be. Do away with all the silly personal behavior
laws and you’ll be much better off. "
I AGREE with this for the majority of the people in the US.
However, there are people out there, and a decent amount at that,
who cannot make rational decisions and control themselves if limits
aren't imposed. There are people out there that are completely
different than you and have no control over themselves and no
regard for others. If there are no speed limits, where does the
speed stop? Sure, 80mph versus 70mph is no big deal, and as I've
stated before, I don't like speeding tickets. I issued 4 speeding
tickets last year, and when I did, the person DESERVED them. Do
officers overuse tickets to increase their statistics-yes, and this
probably should change. Consider this though, at what point does
speed become unsafe? maybe not at 80mph I must agree, but....
90mph? 100mph? 130mph? I mean, you have to consider that with
no speed limits and no tickets to enforce them, people will be
traveling at these speeds at 5pm on the way home from work.
Maybe YOU won't, and I don't doubt this, but you underestimate
the stupidity of the average person behind the wheel of an
automobile. Do you really want the woman who does her makeup
on the way to work doing 120mph because she's late? Some people
can handle these speeds, I used to race cars, so I know that
120mph is a controllable speed for me, but there are people out
there that are not controlled at 50mph. I understand the frustration
of the average person in this country with all of the laws imposed
on them. What you must understand is that the laws aren't
neccessarily aimed at YOU, they are aimed at others who obviously
can't control themselves. A majority of laws were made because
some dip**** actually went out and crossed the line, so to make
sure that didn't happen again, they made a law about it. The laws
in this country go like this, and I'm sure you've heard this
statement before in your life......
---A few bad apples ruin it for everyone else----
I don't think that's something that anyone can deny.
01-30-2007 03:01 PM


Moderator
What you must understand is that the laws aren't neccessarily
Registered: Aug 2005 aimed at YOU, they are aimed at others who obviously can't control
Location: Austin, TX themselves.
Posts: 280
Yet, we suffer no less than those with impaired judgment. Da Vinci
did not paint the Mona Lisa with a roller for a very good reason.
---A few bad apples ruin it for everyone else----
In that case, we need to focus on the few bad apples rather than
assuring that the barrel is the right size or shape.
Are there people who cannot, do not or will not make rational
decisions? Certainly, with respect to driving decisions, but those are
very rare as indicated by the ever-declining fatality rate.
People just do not intentionally endanger themselves by doing the

things enumerated in your post. I was just on the 210 freeway in
Pasadena at rush hour and nobody was (or could) drive at 120 mph
or even 12 mph. To be fair to the Chippies and LAPD (and nearby
jurisdictions), they do much more to assure that traffic keeps
moving than to slow everybody down. Kudos to them.
Traffic law is more important than it seems because it is the

gateway by which greater abuses can reach into the private lives of
citizens, places where enforcement is neither wanted nor necessary.
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01-30-2007 03:35 PM
whitesupra7 "In that case, we need to focus on the few bad apples rather than
Senior Member assuring that the barrel is the right size or shape"
Registered: Jan 2007 I also agree with this, and I'll tell you something funny. I have tried
Location: to apply myself and go after the "bad apples", and it never fails
Posts: 108 when I think I've found one, they don't ever agree that THEY are
the bad apple, it's always someone else. Everyone thinks they are
innocent, even those who are guilty. If they are guilty and know it,
they blame it on outside stimuli such as their environment, or
simple "police harassment".

01-30-2007 04:09 PM
Rylan 2.0 I assumed your were/are a speeder because of your username.

Senior Member Were you ever cited for racing or reckless driving? Was the
department aware of your driving history, whether you were cited
Registered: Dec 2006 or not, when they hired you?
Location:
Posts: 2330 I don't think 120 MPH is safe on any road around here. I do know
people who regularly drive at that speed and as fast as 180 MPH
though, despite speed limits which only run as high as 65 MPH and
in limited areas.
Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with citing people for

triple digit speeds. My concern is with the hundreds of thousands
(millions?) of unnecessary cites where the driver was being
reasonably safe, traveling with the flow of traffic, and the penalty
will have virtually no effect on their driving habits. Collectively, I
would imagine the injuries, deaths, arrests, time wasted, and
distress caused by these stops outweighs any damage that might
have resulted from the motorists not being pulled over.
Right now you're in a comfortable position because you can talk

about this issue without sounding like too much of a hypocrite, but
what if your superiors told you to start citing people for 10 over?
Would you finally speak up, or would you do it?
01-30-2007 04:26 PM
whitesupra7 I assumed your were/are a speeder because of your username.

Senior Member Were you ever cited for racing or reckless driving? Was the
department aware of your driving history, whether you were cited
Registered: Jan 2007 or not, when they hired you?
Location:
Posts: 108 -The department was fully aware of my driving record from my
backround check, and I had to explain the reason for the few
tickets I had recieved in my time before being hired. I was never
cited for speeding or racing, as I never raced on the streets. I was
cited for no front license plates a few times, but I don't complain
about those because I definetely knew they should have been on
my car. I have never had points on my driving record, and because
I used to have modified cars, I routinely did the exact speed limit to
avoid being pulled over. I simply didn't speed, which is the best
way not to get cited for speeding.
Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with citing people for

triple digit speeds. My concern is with the hundreds of thousands
(millions?) of unnecessary cites where the driver was being
reasonably safe, traveling with the flow of traffic, and the penalty

will have virtually no effect on their driving habits. Collectively, I

would imagine the injuries, deaths, arrests, time wasted, and
distress caused by these stops outweighs any damage that might
have resulted from the motorists not being pulled over.
Right now you're in a comfortable position because you can talk

about this issue without sounding like too much of a hypocrite, but
what if your superiors told you to start citing people for 10 over?
Would you finally speak up, or would you do it?
-No, this is where discretion is a nice thing to have. If I don't want

to write tickets for a certain violation, I just act like I don't see it.
Every officer has the power to do this. My superiors aren't out there
with me on the street, so how can I write a ticket for 10 over if I
don't see it? The officers that write a bunch of speeding tickets go
looking for them. Everyone speeds, I could write 10 a day with
great ease. I let lots of things go everyday because I feel they are
unnecessary. I tend to look for out of the ordinary things, such as
weaving through traffic, because I feel that is a safety issue.
01-30-2007 08:15 PM
Rylan 2.0 In your younger days you drove modified sports cars but you never
Senior Member sped on public roads? Come on.
Registered: Dec 2006 As to the 10 over question, I know what your situation is now, what
Location: I'm asking is if your superiors told you to start citing drivers for ten
Posts: 2330 over, would you do it?
01-30-2007 08:51 PM
duncan I'm argueing points that you have never heard and can't deal with.
Moderator
You're points are meaningless to me and for the most part I never
Registered: Jul 2003 bother to even read them.
Posts: 9006 "Duncan, I really did try to read your post, I swear. The problem is,
you didn't read mine, and you are arguing points that I never
made. For instance:"
"I post that I get stuck on the seatbelt inside the car......and you
ask me why I held onto the door handle. That doesn't make any
sense, no offense intended, but please go back and read my post.
You seem to post your immediate thoughts without any regard to
what I said at all."
Why would you stick your hands inside the car?

"You stated that if I have 1.5 years on, I'm lying about being a
rookie. As far as most people I know are concerned, I am a rookie
until at least 3-4 years on. Is your definition of "rookie" in the
dictionary. Just because my defintion doesn't agree with yours
doesn't make me a liar."
Only one year around here and all sorrounding states. When you
offer us no way to verify it then we can assume based on what we
do know that you are full of it.
"You ask how can I follow a car and setup a roadblock at the same
time.....I don't understand what is hard about this. I get on the
radio and tell other units to setup a mile or so up the highway. This
is simple training, we are trained to do this to avoid pursuits, which
are dangerous. As far as the roadblock not being setup correctly,
the entire road was blocked, he took it upon himself to ram a
citizens car and then try to drive over a curb and down into a ditch
to get away, his car then hit a tree and he took off running."
It didn't work very well did it? You need to explian what kind of
road block and how it is suppose to work in theory. I read about the
kind of road block you are talking about and the guy that was being
chased simply go out of his car and ran in a resturaunt and then
killed two people.
"I really can't win with you."
You never will. Your post in regards to your so-called dangerous

encounter only showed me that one stupid act leads to another.
"I actually listen to a citizen's complaint (which you claim we don't

do), and then take the initiative to try and help get the citizen's car
back. All you can say is that I shouldn't have believed her story."
The point is many of us don't want or need your help. Another point
is that the car was her responsibilty and not anyone elses. How can
you teach people to be resonsible for their onw crap if they always
have a cop shop to call on that only prenteds to protect them and
or their property? The car thief smashed her car into another car
and a tree so what good is the car to her now? The bottom line is
you accomplished nothing but help to get the woman's car smashed
by scaring the hell out of the car thief.
"So I'm wrong for believing her, and I'm also wrong when I don't
take the word of the public as the truth. Which do you want me to
do?"
Do nothing. I just got ****ed over by several cops because they all
accpeted the word of an phony email and I did nothing wrong even
the copsuckers admitted as such after the fact. If they had done
nothing then nothing would have happened and nothing did happen
to anyone but me who was victimized by the copsuckers in
question. I solved their f*cking case for them.

"Then you criticize me for actually helping someone who was

deprived of their personal property. He had broken in the window
and popped the ingition, she did not leave her doors unlocked."
What no alarm system? No garage? But what good is the car now
the guy smashed the hell out of it. Do you think that the car theif
maybe has auto insurance? Fat chance.
"Maybe the reason you have never had a vehicle stolen is luck,
maybe it's that you don't live in a high crime area, I dunno."
If you live in high crime area then i suggest that you not own a car
and if you do don't park it along a publuic street. The woamn didn't
use her head.
"All you can say is that I put the CAR THIEF was in danger ....how
can you say this, he is a felon, he stole a car and tried to run
people over."
Only after you tried to nab him did he try to run a copster down. He
would have gone along his merry way and harmed no one. if you
hadn't set up the road block. Were is he going to go? You got the
car plate number, the make and model of the car eventually the
guy has to stop for gas and when he gets out to fill up then you nab
him.
"The constitution says no person shall be deprived of property, and

you want me to keep my oath, but don't want me to help a citizen
retrieve her car? I don't get it. With you, even if I do my job, I'm
still wrong. If I help someone I'm wrong, and if I don't help
someone, I'm wrong."
But it is ok for the state to steal my property when I refuse to pay

the tax theft? The state and the cops do alot more stealing than
any ten car thieves. And when you did finally get her car back it
was all smashed to hell and she couldn't drive it. Now she has a big
fat repair bill she can't afford. You nabbed the guy on his fourth car
theft and now the woman will be taxed even more to prosecute and
jail the guy. Tell us what it is that you accomplished here? I don't
want you to do sh*t I want you to leave me alone and let me deal
with the car thief when he steals my car. Did you honor your oath
of office when you forced this service on me at gun point? If I kill a
perp in my home you will arrest me for defending my life and
property and by so doing you violate your oath of office.
"I got stuck inside the car and the way I was positioned, I could
have fallen under the car and been run over. How is this not a
threat to my safety? "
What were you doing inside the car? You couldn't wiat for the guy
to get out?
"You asked how catching a car theif is a service to the community. I

dont think I should even have to reply to this, but seeing as you

would like me to answer all of your questions, so be it."
He did it four times he did it over and over again so how is this a
service to the community? the womans car was smsahed how is
this a service to her?
"-Do you want me or another officer to just let someone drive off in
YOUR car next time?"
Yep and i never get my car stolen in the first place and with this in
mind why should I be made to pay for a non-service? The illusion of
a car theft that will never occur.
"Or would you complain I wasn't doing my job?"
I just want my money back for the imaginary car theft that never
occured.
"I don't see how catching someone who just stole a $20k car isn't a
service to a citizen."
What kind of idiot pays 20K for a car and lives in high crime district?
" If I don't catch him, she has to claim the car through insurance,
and her rates go up, not to mention she has to buy a new car."
The car is smashed to hell rememeber it can't run any longer

because you set up a bad raod block. She still has to file a claim
and buy a new car and so your point is?
" Plus, she ASKED me to help find her car, am I supposed to ignore
her?""
Bill her instead of me for the damaged car you retrieved at my

expense or rather our collective expense.
"Shooting a tire may have helped"
"-This statement is ridiculous. Shooting tires is extremely unsafe as

well as far from fool proof. A stray round which bounces off the
steel wheel or a body panel could richochet and hit a citizen. Real
life is not the same as movies."
I see it was better to let him floor it so that he could smash into a
car and then a tree. I got it. it was alright to let him floor so that he
could run a citizen down with his car. Yea sure makes sense to me.
You had the guy stopped all you had to do was lean over a pop the
tire. I know this was done by private citizen right here in Ft. Collins.
John Anderson stopped a robbery in progress all by himself without
even a road block or a copster to help him by shooting out a tire
out with a 9mm pistol. Call him up and ask him "Corner Coins" in
Ft. Collins Colorado tell John that Duncan sent you. A bullet won't
richochet off of rubber.

"As far as my story is concerned, it's just one story, and I was
giving an example. I tried to shorten the story so it didn't take up
an entire page of a thread, and then you accuse me of lying
because I leave out the details. I never intended the story to be
scrutinized, if so, I would have provided a better explaination of the
entire incident. You weren't there, have no idea what really
happend, don't know police procedure for my department, try to
make a car theif look like an innocent victim.....and worst of all you
make completely absurd assumptions about what happend so you
can convince yourself I'm lying. Why? What if I'm really not lying?"
And this has what to do with the topic question? I got a hundred
stories alot dangerous than yours and you don't see me psoting
them all do ya?
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One night while driving out late around my friends neighborhood,

Registered: Nov 2006 two of my friends and I were driving around his block trying to
Location:
Posts: 4 think of where we wanted to eat. It was about 2:30 in the morning.
So I was driving and I noticed someone driving behind me. Thats
fine, some people are bound to be out this late. So While driving
around the block I see this van making all of the same turns as
me,,, all the way around the block. The van doesn't signal his turns,
and he is moving relatively slowly, but keeping up. So I am pretty
spooked, the neighborhood isn't in the best area and I don't know
what kind of people are out that late at night. So I pull around the
block real fast, turn down another street, and before he can see
me, I blackout between two other cars on the side of the road. So
We lost the guy. And then we decided after that that we were
gonna head out of the area and look for restaurants on the way.

I pull out of that subdivision and all of a sudden there are 3

undercover cop cars and one normal squad car pulling me over.
Well they approach me like a traffic stop, except with people
making a 'perimeter.' So it turns out that there were robberies in
that area in the past couple weeks, none of us had heard anything,
and I explained that I had no idea who he was, it didn't look like
any cop car I had ever seen. So he said sit tight, ran all of our IDs
and then let me off the hook.
My question is, if I am being followed late at night, what do you do?

Am I allowed to flee the pursuer if it is not clearly, or even faintly
appearant that it is a cop? Or can I call say the station, or 911 to
ask if there is a cop following me, or report the stalker?
11-28-2006 10:31 PM
mr.b I would call 911 and tell them to send a unit to check out the car
Senior Member following you.
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11-28-2006 11:18 PM
badcopcatcher I've had this happen. Just call 911 tell them your location and keep
Member driving. Even if the unmarked car has a light and siren wait for a
real squad car to show up before you pull over.

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Posts: 75
12-23-2006 10:49 AM

hike1515 quote:
Junior Member
Originally posted by badcopcatcher
Registered: Dec 2006 I've had this happen. Just call 911 tell them your
Location: location and keep driving. Even if the unmarked
Posts: 1 car has a light and siren wait for a real squad car
to show up before you pull over.
false, if the car has lights AND sirens you must pull over. chances
are it is a police vehicle. If it had only sirens or only lights, i
wouldnt pull over.
12-30-2006 07:26 PM
Member
Originally posted by hike1515
false, if the car has lights AND sirens you must
pull over. chances are it is a police vehicle. If it
had only sirens or only lights, i wouldnt pull over.

Location: FALSE! A siren is easy to come by. Just look on e-bay. I don't pull
Posts: 75 over for unmarked cars PERIOD!
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liberranter Why Won't Our Cop Members EVER Respond to These Simple Points?
Super Moderator
I already know the answer to the thread title question and I

don't think they ever will respond, but here are the points I
refer to, which I've made in several other threads over the last
few months:
Originally posted by [SEVERAL COPS IN THE FORUM, in

one form or another]
"So, what's so bad about becomine[sic] a trooper[/cop/G-

Registered: Jun 2005 man/any other form of porko] (except for the goofy ass
Location: Tucson, AZ hat) ?"
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Liberranter's response points:

The same reason that becoming any kind of cop is wrong: it has
nothing whatsover to do with enforcing the only law that is
legitimate, which is natural law (i.e., the defense of the rights
and property of the citizenry).
"Law [sic] Enforcement" today consists of enforcing

unconstitutional fiat statutes enacted by politicians and judges
who routinely violate their oaths of office by enacting legislation
and statutes that violate the Constitution they swore an oath to
uphold and defend. Cops are the enforcers of this
unconstitutional legislation, which includes drug laws, asset
forfeiture laws, and thousands of other statutes that undermine
and destroy the rights of the citizenry.
If you as a cop want to "help people", you should consider:
1. Publicly refusing to enforce laws that are clearly in violation

of state and federal constitutions (e.g., drug laws, asset
forfeiture laws, bogus public safety laws, curfews)
2. Publicly speaking out against corruption in your department,

including the naming of names. If you want to really consider
yourself a "hero", put your neck on the line for the right reasons.
3. If you are given grief for 1 and 2 above and receive no

support from any of your fellow "boys in blue", resign from the
force on principle. There are two other ex-LEOs who are
members of this forum who did exactly that. They are the true
heroes, not cops who spew the party line and offer not-so-
creative excuses for their colleagues' violence and wrongdoing
while denegrating the views of citizens who express concern
and anger about these things. WHY DON"T YOU PROVE THAT
YOU UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT YOUR OATH OF OFFICE TO
SERVE AND PROTECT THOSE WHO PAY YOUR SALARY?
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11-17-2006 02:47 AM
BaltimoreLE The same reason that becoming any kind of cop is wrong: it has
Member nothing whatsover to do with enforcing the only law that is
legitimate, which is natural law (i.e., the defense of the rights and
Registered: Dec 2006 property of the citizenry).
Location:
Posts: 80 >>>>Nothing is wrong with being a police officer, it gives a select
few people a sense of doing good and helping others who cannot
help themselves. You forget that, along with the laws you DON'T
like, we enforce the "natural" laws you speak of also.
"Law [sic] Enforcement" today consists of enforcing unconstitutional

fiat statutes enacted by politicians and judges who routinely violate
their oaths of office by enacting legislation and statutes that violate
the Constitution they swore an oath to uphold and defend. Cops are
the enforcers of this unconstitutional legislation, which includes
drug laws, asset forfeiture laws, and thousands of other statutes
that undermine and destroy the rights of the citizenry.
Just because YOU don't agree with the laws you speak of, doesn't
mean other people dont like them, and they have a RIGHT to like
them, just as you have a right not to. If you dont like a law, start
trying to get it changed instead of complaining about it. My job is
not to make or interpret laws, I just enforce them, some I like,
some I don't like, but it's not my job to agree or disagree with
them. They pay me to enforce them. Blame it on the attorneys,
they run the legal system.
If you as a cop want to "help people", you should consider:
1. Publicly refusing to enforce laws that are clearly in violation of

state and federal constitutions (e.g., drug laws, asset forfeiture
laws, bogus public safety laws, curfews)
>>>>>Drug laws are there for a reason. I know that people say
that drugs hurt noone but the person taking them, but this is FAR
from the truth. You should take a few ridealongs with a big-city cop
and see what drugs really do. People on drugs are the leading
cause of crime where I work. They will do ANYTHING to get more
drugs, rob, steal, hurt others, burglarize, kill. When they need more
heroin, coke, etc., they go out and find ways to get more drugs,
which many of times, takes other property and rights away from
them. Just because YOU aren't on the streets and don't see what
drugs do to people, doesn't mean it isn't happening, you need a
wake up call. You are obviously sheltered. As for asset laws, we
seize assets from drug dealers because they obtain those assets by
providing illegal drugs to people, which in turn causes those people
to do the things I described above. Why should they get to profit
from others' misery and loss? As far as guns, we seize guns if they
are used in a crime. Nothing in the constitution says you can

commit a crime with a gun, and then you get to keep it. Besides,
the second amendment is WAY abused by our country. If you read
the constitution, which im sure some of you have not, It reads:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free

State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed."
This really never meant that everyone gets to carry guns around. It
means that the people can keep a militia. Carrying your gun to the
grocery store does not constitute your right to a militia. Argue with
me all you want. Read it and think about it.
2. Publicly speaking out against corruption in your department,

including the naming of names. If you want to really consider
yourself a "hero", put your neck on the line for the right reasons.
>>>>Im not here to fix our entire government. Maybe YOU should
try. There are bad eggs everywhere, and I can't keep track of them
all. You try explaining to my kids that they can't eat tommorow
because daddy decided to try and change the country. I don't
consider myself a hero, I just have a job and I go to work everyday.
It's just a job, that's all it is to me. I'm sure when you go to work,
you don't agree with everything going on with the management,
but I'm also sure that you don't voice your opinion as much as you
would like or else you could't afford the high speed internet you are
playing with right now. We are just people, just like you. We have
families to support, bills to pay, and lives to live. I don't have time
to do full investigations on my entire department. The cops who do
bad things eventually mess up and are prosecuted and fired.
3. If you are given grief for 1 and 2 above and receive no support
from any of your fellow "boys in blue", resign from the force on
principle. There are two other ex-LEOs who are members of this
forum who did exactly that. They are the true heroes, not cops who
spew the party line and offer not-so-creative excuses for their
colleagues' violence and wrongdoing while denegrating the views of
citizens who express concern and anger about these things. WHY
DON"T YOU PROVE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT YOUR
OATH OF OFFICE TO SERVE AND PROTECT THOSE WHO PAY YOUR
SALARY?
>>>> I do understand my oath, and I do the best that I can to

uphold it. Everything not as easy as you may think, and it's not all
black and white, you would probably change your whole outlook on
my job if you simply worked it for a few weeks. The world isn't
black and white, everyone knows that. Here's a question:
>>>>How would you feel about placing a young girl under arrest
for stealing baby formula? In one sense, she is only stealing to feed
her child. In another, the store is being deprived of property. Black
and White? What would YOU do?
>>> Would you give someone a ticket who may have to save your
life the next day? For 5mph, probably not......but where do you

draw the line???? 10mph???20mph?? and you start to think- Is this

ticket worth me dying the next day because the other person is
pissed at you and slows their response to your call??? You are
probably thinking..well " the other guy is a bad cop then, he
deserves a ticket"...... cops are just people so sure, but is that
going to matter to anyone when you are dead??????
It's kinda like me telling you that your job is easy, and what I would
do if I had your job. You can't talk to me about my job until you've
done it, because you simply are incapable of understanding it if you
haven't, fact.
I know that these answers are probably not sufficient to you, but its
the best I could do and thats all I can do, and noone else will
answer them for you. So i decided to try. Flame away.
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12-16-2006 08:38 PM
duncan Copsters response is too wordy. Please delete it Al.

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12-17-2006 10:46 PM
James Young Duncan, I disagree with that.

Moderator
We must take the high road and not stoop to the level of the petty
Registered: Aug 2005 by deleting posts with which we disagree the way some cop forums
Location: Austin, TX do.
Posts: 280
Cops do not like to be challenged or confronted and it shows in
places like freeadvice.com where cops give marginal legal advice
and lots of puerile cheap shots. They are a stain on the toilet tissue
of life. But I digress.
Instead of deleting the posts, allow other posters to challenge them

point by point, which I will do with BaltimoreLE’s post in the near
future. I have found that ridicule is more effective than deletion
12-18-2006 12:20 AM
Rylan 2.0 Thanks for the response, BaltimoreLE.

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12-18-2006 12:28 PM
James Young Baltimore LE writes:

Moderator
Nothing is wrong with being a police officer, it gives a select few
Registered: Aug 2005 people a sense of doing good and helping others who cannot help
Location: Austin, TX themselves. You forget that, along with the laws you DON'T like, we
Posts: 280 enforce the "natural" laws you speak of also.
Are you trying to imply therefore that we have no right to expose

abuses and political shenanigans harmful to citizens? No, there is
nothing per se wrong with being an officer and I salute those who
undertake that profession with the right intentions. You are not the
focus for this forum except when you fail to act.
Just because YOU don't agree with the laws you speak of, doesn't
them, just as you have a right not to.
They certainly have a right to like the law; they do not have a right
to the law. “Liking” a law is hardly sufficient justification for its
existence. I happen to like the law that requires slower traffic to
yield to faster traffic (anti-impeding laws) but that JY likes it is
irrelevant. I don’t like that officers fail or even refuse to enforce it.

If you dont like a law, start trying to get it changed instead of

complaining about it.
A trite catchphrase. I’ve been told more than once that a state
legislator (Austin, Oklahoma City, Sacramento) would not see me
after I answered an aide’s question of how much had I contributed
to Representative So and So’s reelection campaign truthfully ($0).
Cash rather than citizenship or involvement is now the currency of
democracy.
No matter how harmful the repercussions of a bad law, there are

always elements who benefit from their existence or their
enforcement. Drug enforcement is a multi-hundred billion dollar
industry so those who benefit protect it religiously. They lobby for
continuation or expansion of prohibited substances, asset forfeiture,
additional manpower and additional funding – all geared toward
expanded political power. The same is true for the simple and
productive practice of speed control. Not productive for the public
because we suffer economic and physical harm while the “system”
generates enormous wealth. We see similar subterfuges in
enforcement of laws against prostitution, pornography, even gay
sex.
Addictive behavior is usually harmful to the addict and addiction to

the money and power of enforcement for its own sake is no less
harmful.
My job is not to make or interpret laws, I just enforce them. . .
That is, to coin a bad phrase, a copout. It is just an attempt to

remove your responsibility as a citizen.
“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he
first appears he is a protector.” -- Plato
. . . but it's not my job to agree or disagree with them.
I disagree because it is your job to call attention to laws that are

malicious, harmful, ineffective, greedy or just plain stupid. A badge
does not deflect responsibility; in fact it heightens it. Any public
employee holds a greater responsibility than a private citizen to
point out abuses of the public trust. Anything less than absolute
transparency is, in my judgment, criminal.
Drug laws are there for a reason. I know that people say that drugs
hurt [no one] but the person taking them, but this is FAR from the
truth. You should take a few ridealongs with a big-city cop and see
what drugs really do. People on drugs are the leading cause of
crime where I work. They will do ANYTHING to get more drugs, rob,
steal, hurt others, burglarize, kill. When they need more heroin,
coke, etc., they go out and find ways to get more drugs, which
many of times, takes other property and rights away from them.
Just because YOU aren't on the streets and don't see what drugs do

to people, doesn't mean it isn't happening, you need a wake up call.

You are obviously sheltered.
Drug laws, while formulated with good intentions, have taken on a

life of their own and are supported for the wrong (and now
counterproductive) reasons. The War on Drugs is far more harmful
than the drugs. Drug laws should be rescinded and drugs should be
given away for free to users with only the condition that to receive
the drugs that they undergo rehabilitation. Estimates are that it
would cost less than a tenth of the current public expenditure of the
war on drugs. It would also have the benefit of stopping those
property crimes cold because the need for money to buy drugs
evaporates if the drugs are free. It would also eliminate much of
the funding and the raison d’être for organized crime.
As for asset laws, we seize assets from drug dealers because they
obtain those assets by providing illegal drugs to people, which in
turn causes those people to do the things I described above. Why
should they get to profit from others' misery and loss?
Using that logic, why should enforcement agencies profit from

others’ misery and loss simply by stealing stolen property?
The US Constitution, Second Amendment reads:

infringed."
This really never meant that everyone gets to carry guns around.
Sorry, that is wrong because that is exactly what it meant then and
what it means now. The right of the ordinary citizen to protect
himself from the government by arming himself supersedes the
responsibility to arm himself in the name of the government.
Im not here to fix our entire government. Maybe YOU should try.
There are bad eggs everywhere, and I can't keep track of them all.
You try explaining to my kids that they can't eat tommorow
It's just a job, that's all it is to me. I'm sure when you go to work,
you don't agree with everything going on with the management,
but I'm also sure that you don't voice your opinion as much as you
would like or else you could't afford the high speed internet you are
playing with right now. We are just people, just like you. We have
families to support, bills to pay, and lives to live.
Our jobs are not the same by nature. Public employees hold a much
higher degree of accountability and responsibility to expose abuses
of publicly-granted authority than private citizens by the very
nature of their employment.
I do try to fix the entire government because that is my

responsibility and I take it seriously. I have already been a part of

the effort to rid this nation of the despised and dangerous NMSL
(“55”) and our success has saved thousands of lives and billions of
dollars of previously lost productivity.
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people

who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything
about it." -- Albert Einstein
I don't have time to do full investigations on my entire department.

The cops who do bad things eventually mess up and are prosecuted
and fired.
In fact, they do not. Obviously, by the very existence of this board,

corruption and abuse is rampant and is greeted with little more
than a wink-wink, non-nod. Look at any newspaper or listen to any
radio newscast to see the tip of the iceberg. Speedtraps for profit
are ignored. Protection money is paid every day. Police and
prosecutors intimidate suspects and witnesses, falsify testimony
and manufacture evidence in order to gain convictions but are
protected from prosecution. Prosecutors overcharge suspects to
obtain a plea bargain for a lesser charge, even if the suspect is
innocent. “Go to trial,” you might say. Right. An indigent defendant
against the power and resources of the State of Texas. Get real.
It's kinda like me telling you that your job is easy, and what I would
do if I had your job. You can't talk to me about my job until you've
done it, because you simply are incapable of understanding it if you
haven't, fact.
Sorry, that’s bull****. The failure of the good cops is their lack of
effort to expose and rid society of the abuses of bad cops. That is
an ethical issue rather than one relying on specialized training or
specialized understanding by the public. If a cop gives another cop
a “professional courtesy” in a traffic stop or if he is aware of
falsified testimony or evidence and does nothing, that failure to act
is itself a crime and neither the badge nor the blue wall of silence
will protect you from that ethical failure.
I know that these answers are probably not sufficient to you, but its
the best I could do and thats all I can do, and noone else will
answer them for you. So i decided to try. Flame away.
No, they’re not sufficient but they are a start and I commend you
for the effort. Flaming, in my estimation, provides much more heat
than light so I try to avoid it. That doesn’t mean that the truth is
sometimes uncomfortable but I still find it a better sanctuary than
throwing verbal dirt bombs from the anonymity of the internet. Yes,
I do get excited and irritated when I see abuses and the verbiage
sometimes reflects that.
It is always more valuable to report the truth. Jean-Paul Sartre.

12-18-2006 05:29 PM
duncan Duncan, I disagree with that.

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No one is allowed to disagree with me on this or any other forum.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Ban him Al.
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snicker
I'm screwing with the copscums little mind. This is how we get
treated on copster forums and I believe like Kant did, which is to to
treat others the same way they treat me. It is only a show of
respect to treat people they same way they treat people.
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12-18-2006 06:45 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
My job is not to make or interpret laws, I just

enforce them. . .
. . . but it's not my job to agree or disagree

with them.

Pop quiz for you: You are ordered by your superiors to proceed
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to a suburban neighborhood and evict and arrest the entire
resident population, which happens to consist almost exclusively
of one particular racial/ethnic group. You are given no reasons
for why this order is to be carried out, there have been no
arrest warrants issued or formal charges made against any of
the residents. You are only instructed that that eviction and
arrests are to be completed as soon as possible and that you
are to supervise the boarding of all of the area's arrested/
evicted residents onto vehicles for relocation to a destination
not disclosed to you. Additionally, the residents' homes and
personal property are to be seized and guarded in preparation
for forfeiture, with residents only allowed to take with them
what they can carry.
Question: Would you, or would you not comply with such an

order under this scenario?
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12-18-2006 06:47 PM

Rylan 2.0 Cops identify themselves as defenders of freedom, and yet at the
Senior Member same time hold that it's not their place to question the laws they
enforce. Given their numbers and place in society, they would be a
Registered: Dec 2006 force to reckon with if they came together to truly protect the rights
Location: of citizens. Where are these organizations? All I see are police
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groups watching out for themselves.
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12-18-2006 10:35 PM
BaltimoreLE Pop quiz for you: You are ordered by your superiors to proceed to a
Member suburban neighborhood and evict and arrest the entire resident
population, which happens to consist almost exclusively of one
Registered: Dec 2006 particular racial/ethnic group. You are given no reasons for why this
Location: order is to be carried out, there have been no arrest warrants
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issued or formal charges made against any of the residents. You are
only instructed that that eviction and arrests are to be completed as
soon as possible and that you are to supervise the boarding of all of
the area's arrested/evicted residents onto vehicles for relocation to
a destination not disclosed to you. Additionally, the residents'
homes and personal property are to be seized and guarded in
preparation for forfeiture, with residents only allowed to take with
them what they can carry.
Question: Would you, or would you not comply with such an order
under this scenario?
The answer to this question is a definite 100% H*** NO. Although I

can honestly say I've never recieved orders anywhere close to that,
and it seems a little over the top. My supervisors are good people
and I think something like that would definetely bother the H***
out of them before it ever got to me. When I say that I don't
question laws, I mean the small, seemingly meaningless laws. I
don't mean laws that violate serious civil liberties. What I try to do
is think about a small stupid law and apply it to a situation. For
instance:
Lets take a traffic law......."Failure to provide MVA with current

address" in other words, you didn't notify MVA when you moved...
seems worthless at face value, but when I sit and think about it, it's
really not. Say I write you a traffic ticket, and you fail to tell MVA
you changed your address. Your license may say one address on it,
and because you didn't tell MVA about your new address, it leads
me to believe this is your correct address. If I had seen a change of
address card and it read a different address, this would bring up the
question of where you live currently, which is where the court
summons is going to go. If the court summons doesn't make it to
you, and you don't come to court, a warrant is put out for your

arrest. Waste of tax dollars, and an innocent person gets a warrant

put out for them. Small in the beginning, big in the end.
When I sit there and think of a lot of the small laws that seem
worthless, I start to realize that the laws were made for a reason,
however obscure they maybe, and they were made because of a
situtation that happend before. Well....most of them
I also am far less likely to enforce laws I don't agree with unless
demanded to by a citizen (if I get a call). I have written exactly 4
parking tickets in my career, I don't believe they are worth writing
for various reasons. If you look at my ticket book, I have MAYBE 1
speeding ticket per month. In order to get a speeding ticket from
me, you have to be doing something VERY stupid, the last speeding
ticket I wrote was 102 in a 40, and I was pacing her from 20 yards
behind her for almost a mile.
JamesY- I have to say that I disagree with some of your thoughts,

but I respect them, as you are entitled. Thanks for not flaming.
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12-19-2006 05:00 AM
BaltimoreLE By the way......

Member
Registered: Dec 2006 "Look at any newspaper or listen to any radio newscast to see the
Location: tip of the iceberg."
Posts: 80
This statement drives me insane. Believe me when I say that the

media knows absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING that goes on
with the police. When I get a good case and it goes over the local
news, I just sit there and laugh at the story the police liason tells
the reporters, like we would actually let them know ANY pertinent
information about a case? They will say anything for ratings and the
hard hitting story...and then downplay it later when they are
completely wrong. Any intelligent person is well aware that the
news and media are both full of it, and their facts represent
proverbial dog s***. Turn off your TV, it's completely worthless.
When you see a story on TV, its wrong everytime. The only people
who know the true story are the officer(s) and the victim(s). I don't
care what the news tells you about a case, they know NOTHING.
Sorry for the rant, but the crap that people hear on the news just

amazes me. It really amazes me when I'm the officer that

responded to the scene, so i definetely know the story, and they
make up some BS to make it look good for TV.
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12-19-2006 05:23 AM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006 By the way......
Location:
Posts: 2330
"Look at any newspaper or listen to any radio
newscast to see the tip of the iceberg."
This statement drives me insane. Believe me

when I say that the media knows absolutely
NOTHING about ANYTHING that goes on with the
police. When I get a good case and it goes over
the local news, I just sit there and laugh at the
story the police liason tells the reporters, like we
would actually let them know ANY pertinent
information about a case? They will say anything
for ratings and the hard hitting story...and then
downplay it later when they are completely
wrong. Any intelligent person is well aware that
the news and media are both full of it, and their
facts represent proverbial dog s***. Turn off your
TV, it's completely worthless. When you see a
story on TV, its wrong everytime. The only people
who know the true story are the officer(s) and
the victim(s). I don't care what the news tells you
about a case, they know NOTHING.
Sorry for the rant, but the crap that people hear
on the news just amazes me. It really amazes me
when I'm the officer that responded to the scene,
so i definetely know the story, and they make up
some BS to make it look good for TV.
That is a chilling admission, spoken like a true fascist.

The members of the Baltimore PD lie or otherwise mislead the local

media, and laugh all the while? You sound like our president when
you say that an accurate account cannot be given without divulging
critical pieces of information. If indeed there is any twisting of the
truth by the members of the Baltimore PD, whether it is to simply
get the media off their backs or because there’s a belief that they’ll
misconstrue the story anyway, the reporters never have a chance
of getting the news right in the first place.
It’s nonsense anyway. I’m sure it’s convenient as an officer to

dismiss the tens of thousands of news stories found here and
elsewhere as media lies, but you’d be hard-pressed to find even a
handful of articles I’ve posted (roughly 1,000) that don’t at least
have the general story right. I take everything I read with a grain of
salt, but to tell me that these thousands of stories of officer
misconduct are slanderous lies, when in fact I can and often have
checked their validity with little effort, is crazy talk; they sound like
words coming from the mouth of someone who wants to avoid
accountability and silent the press. The day I can only get the news
directly from the government, is the day I no longer care to be alive.
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12-19-2006 01:11 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Question: Would you, or would you not comply

with such an order under this scenario?
The answer to this question is a definite 100%

H*** NO. Although I can honestly say I've
never recieved orders anywhere close to that,
and it seems a little over the top.

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In fact, the scenario I described is exactly what happened to

several hundred thousand Japanese-Americans on the West
Coast at the outset of World War II. Not only were most of
these people native-born Americans, but not one was ever
even charged with any crime, much less found guilty of one.
I needn't go into the details of this episode, one of many sordid

chapters in American history (I'm sure you're at least generally

familiar with it), except to say that perhaps the two most
heinous aspects of it were 1) the zealousness with which
servants of the State, military or civil, carried out this illegal
and immoral order while in the grip of war-induced hysteria,
and 2) the post-war whitewashing of this federal crime by the U.
S. Supreme (sic) Court, which ruled, without once even
referring to the Supreme Law of the Land (a document Supreme
Dictator FDR made no secret of despising), that the actions of
the federal government were "legal" because we as a nation
were all skivvy-shitting terrified, having just been attacked by a
nation that we had gone out of our way to antagonize in the
preceeding year, and were thus justified in stripping those
Americans descended from the inhabitants of that land of their
natural rights and civil liberties.
Think this is an aberration of the past? Guess again. Ask some

of the several hundred thousand Detroit residents of Arab
ancestry, most of whom are fourth or fifth-generation
Americans (and, incidentally, who are of CHRISTIAN, not
Muslim faith) and who have been "questioned" by the FBI
simply because of their ethnic background whether what the
Nisei suffered couldn't happen again.
Again, my question to LEOs: If the Bush DoJ (sic) were to issue

an order similar to that issued by the War Department,
Department of the Army in 1942, only this time against
Americans of Arab descent, would you comply if your local PD
endorsed the order, or would you publicly refuse and defend
these people's rights?
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Grigg
12-19-2006 01:50 PM

James Young "Look at any newspaper or listen to any radio newscast to see the
Moderator tip of the iceberg."
Registered: Aug 2005 Baltimore LE responds:

Posts: 280 This statement drives me insane. Believe me when I say that the
media knows absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING that goes on
with the police. When I get a good case and it goes over the local
news, I just sit there and laugh at the story the police liason tells
the reporters, like we would actually let them know ANY pertinent
information about a case? They will say anything for ratings and the
hard hitting story...and then downplay it later when they are
completely wrong. Any intelligent person is well aware that the
news and media are both full of it, and their facts represent
proverbial dog s***. Turn off your TV, it's completely worthless.
When you see a story on TV, its wrong everytime. The only people
who know the true story are the officer(s) and the victim(s). I don't
care what the news tells you about a case, they know NOTHING.
Let me see if I have this right. You intentionally mislead the media
and then criticize them for getting the story wrong?
The suggestion was supposed to be illustrative rather than
exhaustive. Anybody who relies upon a single source for
information is shortchanging themselves. The media are but a
starting point to ascertain the complete and accurate story. A very
famous example of the attempt to misdirect and obscure a story
only to have it explode into an international Pulitzer Prize story is
available for all to see. Just ask Richard Nixon how well covering up
embarrassing or illegal activities works.
Police corruption, abuse, and incompetence certainly exists and, in

my evaluation, is ubiquitous. This is a given that even you will
admit. The only real question is not how to keep it away from the
public but how do we stop it from occurring.
12-19-2006 02:20 PM
BaltimoreLE I didn't say that police mislead the media, I said we don't tell them
Member pertinent information. My point is that they take the information we
give them, and make up the rest. America feeds on violence and
Registered: Dec 2006 scandal in the media. When the media makes the police look
Location: incompitent (not that they can't be), it creates headlines, which is
Posts: 80
how they get ratings, and ultimately make money. I hate the media
because they don't care about facts, only headlines.
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12-19-2006 03:06 PM
James Young BaltimoreLE writes:

Moderator
I didn't say that police mislead the media, I said we don't tell them
Registered: Aug 2005 pertinent information.
Posts: 280 How is withholding information not misleading? If I don’t tell you
that your gas tank is leaking, is the harm somehow lessened?
My point is that they take the information we give them, and make
up the rest.
Then you have an obligation to expose that. Also, the police are
hardly the sole source for information.
America feeds on violence and scandal in the media. When the

media makes the police look incompitent (not that they can't be), it
creates headlines, which is how they get ratings, and ultimately
make money. I hate the media because they don't care about facts,
only headlines.
They are not mutually exclusive phenomena. The media work much
too slowly and often cover the wrong things to suit me, but they
usually get to the end of the story and cover most of what needs to
be covered. Caveat: It is hopelessly naïve to rely on newspapers or
radio or television for one’s information. To really get the full story,
one must use them only as a starting point and continue to burrow
into more thoughtful and investigatory media and into source
documents. This is no different from any legitimate academic study
of any topic and is the way I learned to do it. For example, one can
get an idea of the latest traffic safety performance by reading the
local newspaper or Time magazine or seeing CNN. Included in the
piece is usually a comment by IIHS (Insurance Institute for
Highway Safety, an industry lobbying group that supports all kinds
of anti-motorist legislation and gadgets) or a local police PR person.
Only rarely do we get a comment from Texas Transportation
Institute (and academic group associated with Texas A&M) or
National Motorists Foundation, a motorists rights group. So, yes,
headlines sell but they work in your favor as often as not.
Police corruption does not make for good headlines – in my

judgment because it is accepted as a given -- but requires lots of in-
depth investigatory digging, often met by severe, even violent
resistance. The immediate news media are not usually equipped to
handle that so it falls to slower, more deliberate investigation and
to the screamers on Copwatch. Are those screamers always
correct? No, and in my opinion, the overstatement hurts our cause.
But there is plenty of truth in these threads, things that should
alarm the public and especially good cops.

12-19-2006 03:41 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I didn't say that police mislead the media, I

said we don't tell them pertinent information.
This is a perfect example of the cynical doublespeak we hear

from all levels of government, day in and day out, and is the
reason why so many of us despise and distrust the State in all
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Grigg
12-19-2006 04:16 PM

BaltimoreLE Why on earth would we provide information on a case that is not

Member yet complete? There is no way we are going to give facts or findings
about a robbery that just occured, and for the public to expect that
Registered: Dec 2006 is ridiculous. Why tell the criminals what we know about them?
Location: They watch TV too, and letting them know what we know makes it
Posts: 80
easier for them to escape, never be found, or avoid charges. Seems
like a simple concept to me. If we get on TV 20 minutes after a
murder and say " We are looking for this man", I don't think he's
gonna stick around to let us come find him. How is that facist? It's
simple logic. Not everyone in the world is entitled to facts about
police cases for the simple reason that they aren't directly involved.
Freedom of the press is a right, but there is nothing that says
sensitive information must be divulged when unecessary.
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12-20-2006 11:46 AM

Moderator
Why on earth would we provide information on a case that is not
Registered: Aug 2005 yet complete? There is no way we are going to give facts or findings
Location: Austin, TX about a robbery that just occured, and for the public to expect that
Posts: 280 is ridiculous. Why tell the criminals what we know about them?
They watch TV too, and letting them know what we know makes it
easier for them to escape, never be found, or avoid charges. Seems
like a simple concept to me. If we get on TV 20 minutes after a
murder and say " We are looking for this man", I don't think he's
gonna stick around to let us come find him. How is that facist? It's
simple logic. Not everyone in the world is entitled to facts about
police cases for the simple reason that they aren't directly involved.
Freedom of the press is a right, but there is nothing that says
sensitive information must be divulged when unecessary.
We have gone too far away from the question. When I directed your
attention to the media it referenced minimal department disclosure
of officer misbehavior, thus leaving what is printed or broadcast as
only “the tip of the iceberg.” The truth runs much deeper and wider.
I have little issue with police releases that deal with crimes
perpetrated by other than non-cops because the information will
eventually become available.
Sadly, this is not so with police releases of information where the

crime or abuse is committed by or covered up by the agency itself.
I repeat, police leaks of information to local media in Ada and
Oklahoma City strongly influenced public opinion that Ron

Williamson and Dennis Fritz were guilty of the murder of Debbie

Carter. What has not been disclosed and in fact has been resisted
vigorously is the continued (and continuing) saga of suspect and
witness intimidation, falsified testimony, and carelessly gathered,
misinterpreted or manufactured evidence.
I use this case because it hits very close to home (I grew up in

Oklahoma), I know one of the characters – Greg Wilhoit, another
wrongly convicted and now free young man – and have seen first
hand the damage done to Greg’s parents who are suffering
financially, emotionally and physically because of the criminality
and stupidity of the police and prosecutor. This case is also so well
documented that it cannot be perverted or twisted by the
prosecution, although they are still trying.
When do you step up and say, “Enough!” and submit evidence and
testimony to civilians or the governor or a federal grand jury?
12-20-2006 12:47 PM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006 Why on earth would we provide information on a
Location: case that is not yet complete? There is no way we
Posts: 2330 are going to give facts or findings about a robbery
that just occured, and for the public to expect
that is ridiculous. Why tell the criminals what we
know about them? They watch TV too, and letting
them know what we know makes it easier for
them to escape, never be found, or avoid charges.
Seems like a simple concept to me. If we get on
TV 20 minutes after a murder and say " We are
looking for this man", I don't think he's gonna
stick around to let us come find him. How is that
facist? It's simple logic. Not everyone in the
world is entitled to facts about police cases for
the simple reason that they aren't directly
involved. Freedom of the press is a right, but
there is nothing that says sensitive information
must be divulged when unecessary.
Of course I understand that. A third grader can comprehend it.
What was fascistic about your post was:
quote:

When I get a good case and it goes over the local

news, I just sit there and laugh at the story the
police liason tells the reporters, like we would
actually let them know ANY pertinent information
about a case?
Even if sensitive information is being withheld, the police liaison

should still be relaying an accurate account of what you
experienced, so why would this ever be humorous?
quote:
They will say anything for ratings and the hard

hitting story...and then downplay it later when
they are completely wrong. Any intelligent person
is well aware that the news and media are both
full of it, and their facts represent proverbial dog
s***. Turn off your TV, it's completely worthless.
When you see a story on TV, its wrong everytime.
The only people who know the true story are the
officer(s) and the victim(s). I don't care what the
news tells you about a case, they know NOTHING.
According to this line of reasoning, every time a story about a

heroic cop makes the headlines, it's a lie.
Seriously though, I only rarely encounter news outlets having to

correct major mistakes. If officers are being misquoted, or stories
are being entirely fabricated, why aren't the police departments
bringing this to light and/or filing endless lawsuits against the
media?
What troubles me most is your severe exaggeration, and the

implication that we should only be getting our facts from police
departments.
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BaltimoreLE If you expect me to listen to your opinions and respect them fine,
Member but please do the same for mine. Please do not twist my words
around to fit your agenda. If you don't like the police that's fine,
Registered: Dec 2006 and that's your right, but putting words into my mouth isn't right.
Location: Maybe it's just the way sentences and phrases are conveyed over
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the internet. Several times in the last few posts my words have
been made to look like I said something completely different. Thats
just not right.....or mature.
I say I hate the press for making stories up, and that the pertainant
information is left out to keep sensitive information from getting
into the wrong hands......you make it out to sound like I
intentionally lie to the press, like im giving wrong information
instead of just not divulging information. All of the sudden I'm
"intentionally misleading" the press and causing them to make up
lies- and it's all my fault. What!? I never said anything close to that,

look through the posts. I guess you only hear what you want to
hear? Also, every time I post my opinion about my job, you come
back with what you think is a fact. Seems like I'm the one that
works the job, and you claim to know more about it than me. If I
say something, you say " No, thats bullsh*t", or "No, that's a cop
out". Well, I say no--that's your opinion, because you have
absolutely no way to prove that what I'm saying is wrong. You
assume automatically that everything I say is a lie. I can honestly
and truthfully say that I work my job with good intentions and I do
make a difference in my community. If you blindly, and without
knowing me, assume that to be impossible then that's your
problem. There are those of us out there that are good people on
this job. I graduated highschool, I graduated college with a BS in
Biology and minored in Business. I never did drugs, I never stole or
committed crimes. I don't beat people, look down on people or
think I'm better than anyone, I treat people like humans when I go
to work. Go ahead and make your assumptions, but remember that
in the end, you don't know me.
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12-21-2006 04:51 AM
Rylan 2.0 I for one didn't manipulate your words. In fact, I quoted them
Senior Member directly. If I interpreted them in incorrectly, or if you said
something you didn't mean, address it by answering my questions.
Location:
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12-21-2006 12:49 PM

liberranter Interesting, isn't it, that whenever LEO participants in this

Super Moderator forum have their own clearly written words quoted back to
them and their points contained therein refuted by sound and
incontrovertable logic, they always reflexively resort to the
"you're misquoting/libeling/belittling/humiliating/bashing [pick
one of more as applicable] me" whine.
Pathetic.
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Grigg
12-21-2006 03:55 PM
Texastwister Sounds more like the Baltimore LE graduated

Senior Member
college with a BS in bullsh8t..
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12-21-2006 04:04 PM

Moderator
If you expect me to listen to your opinions and respect them fine,
Registered: Aug 2005 but please do the same for mine. Please do not twist my words
Location: Austin, TX around to fit your agenda. If you don't like the police that's fine,
Posts: 280 and that's your right, but putting words into my mouth isn't right.
Maybe it's just the way sentences and phrases are conveyed over
the internet. Several times in the last few posts my words have
been made to look like I said something completely different. Thats
just not right.....or mature.
One must be very careful when posting strongly held feelings or

attempted humor or sarcasm into the Internet because they are not

always read as intended but almost always read through filters of

personal experience.
I say I hate the press for making stories up, and that the pertainant
information is left out to keep sensitive information from getting
into the wrong hands......you make it out to sound like I
instead of just not divulging information.
Two notes. First, the original point was the active cover-up of
officer abuses or misconduct by the agency, not a press release
about an armed robbery. Your burden is greater than I’m sure you
would like it to be in that case. Second, if you know of media
making up stories, you should make it known to the public. Yes, we
have instances of journalists creating stories but these do no not
last very long because any article or news clip is but a very small
part in the larger picture of truth and most journalists adhere pretty
closely to their code of ethics.
All of the sudden I'm "intentionally misleading" the press and

causing them to make up lies- and it's all my fault. What!? I never
said anything close to that, look through the posts. I guess you only
hear what you want to hear?
Then put out the full story yourself. Do you know of officer abuse or
misconduct in your own department? Do you know of officers who
“testalie” (their word, not mine) under oath? Do you know of cops
who traded ticket rescission for sexual favors? If you know of such
misconduct, have you reported it to your captain or even a
sergeant?
Almost every poster in here can tell instances of such behavior –

across the nation – yet it is not addressed in anything even close to
the level of scrutiny that it deserves.
Also, every time I post my opinion about my job, you come back
with what you think is a fact. Seems like I'm the one that works the
job, and you claim to know more about it than me. If I say
something, you say " No, thats bullsh*t", or "No, that's a cop out".
Well, I say no--that's your opinion, because you have absolutely no
way to prove that what I'm saying is wrong. You assume
automatically that everything I say is a lie. I can honestly and
truthfully say that I work my job with good intentions and I do
make a difference in my community. If you blindly, and without
knowing me, assume that to be impossible then that's your problem.
Your job is different from most other jobs. It is a public employee

position and as such owes allegiance to the public, which grants
your authority. Because your job is public, it is subject to criticism
by the public, a public that is not always well informed and not
always kind. The police have changed their job focus over the past
40 years. They have isolated themselves from the public, speak a
completely different jargon if not language, insulate themselves in
near-soundproof steel cocoons and overreact when questioned or

challenged. In short, the police have brought in on themselves. By

acting as the muscle for politicians or institutions, often in conflict
with the needs of the public, you have squandered any moral
authority that you once had. By enforcing laws for profit ($100+
billion in speeding fines every year and untold millions in asset
forfeiture), your actions tell us you have no interest in improving
conditions. NB: “you” and “your” refer to officers in general and as
institutional agents, not “you” personally.
Note also that burden of proof is on the one who asserts something
as fact. We critics need not prove you wrong but prove that we are
correct, which usually precludes opposite facts or scenarios from
being possible. This is the way of academia and science.
No, we don’t know you except through your electronic words. We

do know conflicting behavior exists that casts a shadow over your
words and that is a burden that only you can overcome.
I’ll take you at your word that you speak truth and act honorably
with good intent. But at the same time I will also challenge you to
use that honor to help us rid your profession of the miscreants and
maladjusted who populate too many of our enforcement agencies.
When you see evil, shout it out; when you see bullying, step up and
stop it; when you hear false testimony, report it to the captain, the
judge, the mayor, the governor, or the New York Times. Anything
less is irresponsible.
12-21-2006 04:05 PM
duncan ">>>>Nothing is wrong with being a police officer, it gives a select

Moderator few people a sense of doing good and helping others who cannot
help themselves. You forget that, along with the laws you DON'T
Registered: Jul 2003 like, we enforce the "natural" laws you speak of also."
Posts: 9006 You do not enforce natural laws only God can do this sort of thing.
You have no idea what it is that the man is talking about do you?
You can't do both violate the BOR and then defend it as it suits your
purpose. Drug laws violate natural laws i.e. theft of property aka
confiscation and the killing of innocent people who may or may not
be using drugs. You can't prevetn a criem you can only show up
after the fact, thus you cannot protect our rights. You are the guy
violating our rights when you violate the BOR in the name of the
drug war.
"Just because YOU don't agree with the laws you speak of, doesn't
them, just as you have a right not to. If you dont like a law, start
trying to get it changed instead of complaining about it. My job is
not to make or interpret laws, I just enforce them, some I like,
some I don't like, but it's not my job to agree or disagree with
them. They pay me to enforce them. Blame it on the attorneys,

they run the legal system."
What kind of nonsense is this? If I don't like black people and I get
congress to pass a law discrimnating against black people then
that's ok by you? Slavery was legal once and the issue got over
500,000 soldiers killed in battle, but this is alright with you because
slavery is the law? Your logic is flawed.
We are doing something about just take the time to read every
single post on this website to see what it is that myself and others
are doing. Like the slaves of the days of old the new slaves of
today, that'd be us massa, we are refusing to bend over as kiss
your lily white ass.
We blame them all and you are just as guilty as the dirt ball
poltician, the scumbag shyster DA's and the black robed pukes.
I was only following orders when they told me to gas the

Jews.
">>>>>Drug laws are there for a reason. I know that people say
that drugs hurt noone but the person taking them, but this is FAR
from the truth. You should take a few ridealongs with a big-city cop
and see what drugs really do. People on drugs are the leading
cause of crime where I work. They will do ANYTHING to get more
drugs, rob, steal, hurt others, burglarize, kill. When they need more
heroin, coke, etc., they go out and find ways to get more drugs,
which many of times, takes other property and rights away from
them. Just because YOU aren't on the streets and don't see what
drugs do to people, doesn't mean it isn't happening, you need a
wake up call. You are obviously sheltered."
Bullsh*t. Drug users commit the crimes because of the drug laws
you enforce. Decriminalization of drug use would make these drugs
more affordable thus there would be no need to steal. You sound
like an idiot how does drug use lead to all of the things you listed?
Show us a correlation between smoking pot and rape. Drug laws
and not the use of drugs lead to the things you just listed becuase
there is lots of money to be made on an item that has been
prohibited by the state. Pick up a History book to read about the
"Prohibition" period to see how organized crime flourished under
the eyes of the law. Your beloved drug laws are making scum like
you treat non-drug users like us as if we were all criminals. What is
the service of stooping me along the Hwy to search my car and
badger me when I am not a drug user? Doing os makes you nazi in
our eyes.
"As for asset laws, we seize assets from drug dealers because they
obtain those assets by providing illegal drugs to people, which in
turn causes those people to do the things I described above. Why
should they get to profit from others' misery and loss? As far as
guns, we seize guns if they are used in a crime. Nothing in the
constitution says you can commit a crime with a gun, and then you
get to keep it. Besides, the second amendment is WAY abused by

our country."
You also steal property from innocent people under the guise of
drug laws. Why should you or your department profit from the
misery of others? Like any ordinary thug you are rationalizing your
theft of our property. But the owning of a gun or the carry of a gun
is a crime in your fascist world. The Denver PD stole my gun even
though I did none of things you just listed thus you and your fellow
swine violated the BOR aka THE LAW!!!! Gottcha.

infringed."
"This really never meant that everyone gets to carry guns around.
It means that the people can keep a militia. Carrying your gun to
the grocery store does not constitute your right to a militia. Argue
with me all you want. Read it and think about it."
But only you do? Your not in the militia, but I am. You lying sack of
sh*t. You want to confiscate my gun punk? Come and get it you
nazi scumbag.
">>>>Im not here to fix our entire government. Maybe YOU should
try."
This is what we are doing know stupid. You are the one who came
here to whine about us remember? If you don't like us and our
forum then do soemthing aobut it. Make my day punk and try to
shut us up.
"There are bad eggs everywhere, and I can't keep track of them all.
You try explaining to my kids that they can't eat tommorow
It's just a job, that's all it is to me."
Just a job, ****ing us out of our wealth, only following orders.

wawawawawawawa
"I'm sure when you go to work, you don't agree with everything
going on with the management, but I'm also sure that you don't
voice your opinion as much as you would like or else you could't
afford the high speed internet you are playing with right now."
But we don't live off of your wealth do we? Please don't compare us
to a tax consuming partasite like you. Please stop your whining
wawawawawa. No one forced to become a copster.
"We are just people, just like you."
Hardly tax consumer. You kill people we don't. We are made to pay
taxes you live off of taxes and don't pay into the tax theft. You
would deny us the right to carry a gun for self defense.

"We have families to support, bills to pay, and lives to live. I don't
have time to do full investigations on my entire department. The
cops who do bad things eventually mess up and are prosecuted and
fired."
We are made to support your tax consuming family and every time
you cash your check you take money away from our families.
Enough of the snviling copster we are all tired of hearing your BS.
You turn a blind eye to bad copster and you probably are a bad
copster thus making you apart of the problem.
">>>> I do understand my oath, and I do the best that I can to

uphold it. Everything not as easy as you may think, and it's not all
black and white, you would probably change your whole outlook on
my job if you simply worked it for a few weeks. The world isn't
black and white, everyone knows that. Here's a question:
>>>>How would you feel about placing a young girl under arrest
for stealing baby formula? In one sense, she is only stealing to feed
her child. In another, the store is being deprived of property. Black
and White? What would YOU do?"
You do not understand your oath. You can't even define terms like
"natural law" or the word "militia". You would steal my gun and
possibly kill me for refuisng to allow you to steal it and this cop
scum is a clear violation of your Oath of Office. I'd arrest you for
stealing from me.
Taxes took money form that young girl she is well within her rights
to do what she needs to do to survive, but a fat p*g like you would
live off of her wealth and then arrest her.
">>> Would you give someone a ticket who may have to save your
life the next day? For 5mph, probably not......but where do you
draw the line???? 10mph???20mph?? and you start to think- Is this
ticket worth me dying the next day because the other person is
pissed at you and slows their response to your call??? You are
probably thinking..well " the other guy is a bad cop then, he
deserves a ticket"...... cops are just people so sure, but is that
going to matter to anyone when you are dead??????"
Were do you draw the line copster? How much theft of our wealth is
too much theft? You're using a false dicotomy called a slippery
slope. How much police corruption should we allow in the name of
law and order? How does the end justify the means? how many of
our rights should we give up for the illusion of protection?
"It's kinda like me telling you that your job is easy, and what I
would do if I had your job. You can't talk to me about my job until
you've done it, because you simply are incapable of understanding
it if you haven't, fact."
And you understand our job? We do in fact understand your

worthless profession. I was copscum just like you once? OPPS!!!!
f*cked up didn't cha?

"I know that these answers are probably not sufficient to you, but
its the best I could do and thats all I can do, and noone else will
answer them for you. So i decided to try. Flame away."
You answered nothing for us and all you did was prove our point i.
e. you will violate your oath of office based on your lame ass
interpretation of the second amendment.
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12-21-2006 08:56 PM
duncan "The answer to this question is a definite 100% H*** NO. Although
Moderator I can honestly say I've never recieved orders anywhere close to
that, and it seems a little over the top. My supervisors are good
Registered: Jul 2003 people and I think something like that would definetely bother the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado H*** out of them before it ever got to me. When I say that I don't
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question laws, I mean the small, seemingly meaningless laws. I
don't mean laws that violate serious civil liberties. What I try to do
is think about a small stupid law and apply it to a situation."
The question the copwatcher asked was not a hypothetical it really

has happened. It happened in Wisconsin, it happened in Waco, it
happened at Ruby Ridge, it happened at Kent State, it happened in
Watts, it happened in ....... You like all of your ilk will follow orders.
Claire Wolfe and Aaron Zelman wrote about this very subject in
thier book titled "The New American Police State" and used Nazi,
Germany as a case study of group think and how people tend to go
along with the status quo. Prior to invading Warsaw to rout out all
Jews for extermination several SS members were asked to

volunteer to participate in first rounding up all the Jews and then

executing them regardless of age and gender. They were told that if
any refused to volunteer nothing would happen to them. All offered
to volunteer and none declined. After a few days of the mass
slaughter only a handfull of the SS soldiers had decided not to
continue. These few were sent back home and none of them
suffered any repercussions as a result of their refusal to continue
murdering Jews. The rest of the SS types went along and continued
with the henious acts of murder.
Those SS people were just ordinary men until they had the backing
and the power of the state to kill. You are no better than those SS
types when confronted with it you will follow orders just like they
did.
"Lets take a traffic law......."Failure to provide MVA with current

address" in other words, you didn't notify MVA when you moved...
seems worthless at face value, but when I sit and think about it, it's
really not. Say I write you a traffic ticket, and you fail to tell MVA
you changed your address. Your license may say one address on it,
and because you didn't tell MVA about your new address, it leads
me to believe this is your correct address. If I had seen a change of
address card and it read a different address, this would bring up the
question of where you live currently, which is where the court
summons is going to go. If the court summons doesn't make it to
you, and you don't come to court, a warrant is put out for your
arrest. Waste of tax dollars, and an innocent person gets a warrant
put out for them. Small in the beginning, big in the end."
Sorry p8g you get no address as the BOR clearly states that I will
be secure in my home and personal effects. What if the DL has no
address? What if I have no DL and refuse to give you an address?
No law requires me to give DMV an address and no law requires me
to give you an addy. I thought you posted that you will obey the
BOR and will honor your oath of office?
"When I sit there and think of a lot of the small laws that seem
worthless, I start to realize that the laws were made for a reason,
however obscure they maybe, and they were made because of a
situtation that happend before. Well....most of them"
The reason for that unconstituional law is simple it's all about taxes
and control it has nothing to do with safety. 99% of all auto
accidents are caused by lisenced drivers. The DL does not stop
traffic fatalities. The DL exist to track the residency of folks so that
they can have their labor taxed by the state. Lisence plates can be
issued for life and do not need to be renewed every year. The LP is
renewed every year by the state for taxes and for no other reason.
The BOR and case law are very clear on the issue of right to travel.
Traveling is right and not a privilege to be regulated by the state
and when you enforce those illegal traffic laws you violate your oath
of office.

"I also am far less likely to enforce laws I don't agree with unless
demanded to by a citizen (if I get a call). I have written exactly 4
parking tickets in my career, I don't believe they are worth writing
for various reasons. If you look at my ticket book, I have MAYBE 1
speeding ticket per month. In order to get a speeding ticket from
me, you have to be doing something VERY stupid, the last speeding
ticket I wrote was 102 in a 40, and I was pacing her from 20 yards
behind her for almost a mile."
Gee that's mighty white of ya not to steal any more money form us
by not issuing any more traffic tickets. You sound like the roober
who decided not to rob the poor guy after he found out upon
robbing the guy that he was to poor to be robbed. I should thank
you for what? Not f*cking me over?
"JamesY- I have to say that I disagree with some of your thoughts,

but I respect them, as you are entitled. Thanks for not flaming."
He is also entitled to act upon them as well by resisting your ability

to f*ck him over.
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12-21-2006 11:33 PM

duncan "If you expect me to listen to your opinions and respect them fine,
Moderator but please do the same for mine."
Registered: Jul 2003 Sorry dickweed but it tis you who came to us because you wanted
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado us to read your crap opinion about copsters. We didn't go to you
Posts: 9006 and as such we we don't give a flying f*ck what you think about our
thoughts in regards people like you. You look like a real f*cking
idiot when you post crap like this.
"Please do not twist my words around to fit your agenda. If you

don't like the police that's fine, and that's your right, but putting
words into my mouth isn't right. Maybe it's just the way sentences
and phrases are conveyed over the internet. Several times in the
last few posts my words have been made to look like I said
something completely different. Thats just not right.....or mature."
You're the one who will enforce bad law and follow orders and this
is the only logical conclusion we can come to based on your posts.
"I say I hate the press for making stories up, and that the
pertainant information is left out to keep sensitive information from
getting into the wrong hands......you make it out to sound like I
instead of just not divulging information."
With holding info is a half truth and a half truth is a full lie.
" All of the sudden I'm "intentionally misleading" the press and
causing them to make up lies- and it's all my fault. What!?"
You admitted to withholding public info from the public. If you have
nothing to fear then tell them everything.
Admitting to the fact that copscum lie is the first step to recovery.
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12-21-2006 11:40 PM
BaltimoreLE "Please don't compare us to a tax consuming partasite like you.

Member Hardly tax consumer. We are made to pay taxes you live off of
taxes and don't pay into the tax theft."
Location:
Posts: 80 Duncan, when you won your beloved law suit, (therby making
lawyers even more powerful then they already are), where do you
think that $20,000 came from? LE pockets? I think not. Not one
dime came from the pockets of the police department, the officers
or anyone else related to that case. You took $20,000 from the tax
payers, and you call me a tax paratsite? I laugh at you every time
you post. You are hilarious, which is why I don't respond to you.
Everyone else on this forum can rationalize and produce valid points
and opinions on their posts but you. You shouldn't waste your time
typing, I could care less.
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12-22-2006 03:24 AM
mr.b Then you should be ashamed of yourself because you know damn
Senior Member well that you do not have to pay for shi t and comes out of the tax
payer. Do you really think if you or any other swine had to pay out
of their pockets for an attorney every time they got sued you would
be doing this job? Hell no. Counties, Cities, Federal Gov use tax
payer money to defend their asse s and a citizens has to use his
own money to try to get some type of justice. When the City tried
to get a restraining order against me to stop me from video taping
Registered: Oct 2005 them they spent $19000 and lost and I do not feel ashamed
Location: CALIFORNIA because the entire city council voted on it, I say fuk them all since
Posts: 1072 they represent the community and thought they new best and I
won $8106.
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12-22-2006 03:40 AM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Then you should be ashamed of yourself
because you know damn well that you do not
have to pay for shi t and comes out of the tax
payer. Do you really think if you or any other
swine had to pay out of their pockets for an
attorney every time they got sued you would
be doing this job? Hell no. Counties, Cities,
Federal Gov use tax payer money to defend
their asse s and a citizens has to use his own
Location: Tucson, AZ money to try to get some type of justice.
Posts: 5865 When the City tried to get a restraining order
against me to stop me from video taping them
they spent $19000 and lost and I do not feel
ashamed because the entire city council voted
on it, I say fuk them all since they represent
the community and thought they new best and
I won $8106.
This is exactly why legislation needs to be enacted holding cops/

judges/prosecutors/any other employee of the State
personally liable for any damages committed against the
person or property of a citizen. The only reason these parasites
commit the crimes they do is because they know that in any
civil suit against the government, they will not be made to
suffer damages personally. Hold Officer Oinky or Judge
Greenback personally liable for any damages associated with
their crimes, and they will think twice, thrice, many times,
carefully, before behaving as recklessly and arrogantly as they
now do.
Of course, this being Amerika, rattlesnake bites will confer life

everlasting rather than death before such justice-enhancing
legislation ever passes.
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Grigg
12-22-2006 11:15 AM
Rylan 2.0 quote:

Senior Member
Would you give someone a ticket who may have to
Registered: Dec 2006 save your life the next day? For 5mph, probably not......
Location: but where do you draw the line???? 10mph???20mph??
Posts: 2330 and you start to think- Is this ticket worth me dying the
next day because the other person is pissed at you and
slows their response to your call??? You are probably
thinking..well " the other guy is a bad cop then, he
deserves a ticket"...... cops are just people so sure, but
is that going to matter to anyone when you are
dead??????
I almost overlooked this wonderful tidbit. I’ll say it again: we “get

it.” A third grader can “get it.” We just don’t agree with it.
If I were a cop, I would be even more careful than I am now to

avoid violating traffic laws. I would never badge my way out of a
ticket, or allude to the fact that I was a cop by saying I have a
concealed weapon. My family members and friends would know
ahead of time that if I unknowingly pulled them over with the
intention of ticketing them, they would receive the citation. They
would also know never to drop my name if they were stopped by
another cop.
If you’ve ever done the opposite of what I just described, I have an

extremely difficult time believing that you are anything other than a
hypocrite who willingly screws over citizens unfortunate enough to
not have any ties to the police in exchange for a government
paycheck. It’s about public safety and protecting citizens until you
pull over a guy with a badge, and then all the rhetoric goes out the
window. How in the hell does someone with a conscience say “there
are many more fish in the pond, why ticket the officer?”
As one of the few officers who got it right said in response to the
suggestion that officers shouldn’t ticketing other officers or else
they might not help in a time of need, “If the officer I ticketed
yesterday sees me getting beat up on the side of the road and he

has to think about whether or not to stop, I didn’t have a chance

anyway.” An even more fascinating fact he brought to light was that
he’s had more truckers than cops stop and see if he was OK in his
20+ year career. A stronger point yet is that with your reasoning
you shouldn’t ticket or arrest anyone because they might retaliate.
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12-22-2006 12:37 PM
duncan Duncan, when you won your beloved law suit, (therby
Moderator making lawyers even more powerful then they already are),
where do you think that $20,000 came from? LE pockets? I
Registered: Jul 2003 think not. Not one dime came from the pockets of the police
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado department, the officers or anyone else related to that case.
Posts: 9006
You took $20,000 from the tax payers, and you call me a tax
paratsite? I laugh at you every time you post. You are
hilarious, which is why I don't respond to you. Everyone else
on this forum can rationalize and produce valid points and
opinions on their posts but you. You shouldn't waste your
time typing, I could care less.
That tax money didn't come form you and yer fellow tax consumers
did it? Since I am the one who ahs been forced to pay taxes for the
past 35 years of my adult life then of course that tax monay is
mine. I am a tax payer so dumsh(t I took my own money back. You
can't steal from a thief and taxes are theft.
You have no validity on this forum. You lied when you stated that
you uphold your oath of ofifce but condradicted your self when you
posted that you will disarm anyone whom you see carrying a gun
for self defense. You agian lied when you cliamed that you will not
tolerate bad copsscum but when a bad cop loses a law suit to me
you attack me. The copscum in question violated three state
statutes yet do we see you crying foul? Nope we see you attacking
this taxpayer over getting his own money back. We should all be
suing all of you worthless parasites to get our tax money back over
the fact that scum like provide us with no service but rather a
diservice i.e. violating the BOR.
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12-22-2006 03:39 PM
duncan THE LAW!!!!

Moderator
Wyoming State Statute W.S.S. 31-5-110

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado NO PERSON SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LISENCE
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TO TRAVEL ON THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS OF WYOMING UNLESS
SUCH PERSON IS USING THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS FOR THE
PURPOSE OF COMMERCE.
Shaprio vs. Thomson 394 U.S. 105
Murdock vs. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105
Schuttlesworth vs. Birmingham, Alabama 373 U.S. 262
Marbury vs. Madison 5 U.S. 137 (1803)
U.S. vs. Bishop 412 U.S. 346
Zobel vs. Williams 457 U.S. 55
Miller vs United States 230 Fd 486,489
You lied copscum when you posted that you uphold your oath of
office. Traveling is a right and not a privilege.
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12-22-2006 03:49 PM
BaltimoreLE "You lied when you stated that you uphold your oath of ofifce but
Member condradicted your self when you posted that you will disarm anyone
whom you see carrying a gun for self defense. "
Location: You LOVE putting words into my mouth. Find where I posted
Posts: 80
anything close to that. Liar.
"Transportation is a right, not a privelage."
Sure it is, but DRIVING is a privelage. Nowhere in the constitution

does it say you have a right to drive your Cadillac. You are
however, free to take a bus anytime you would like. The taxes
you complain about paying provide this service (which im sure you
don't want, but is forced on you). You can also operate a bicycle,
skateboard, rollerskates, ride a plane, train, or let someone with a
license drive you. All of these fall under the category of the right to
transportation. Choose one.
Concerning the taxes you stole from the lawsuit, I do sincerely hope
you know that the amount of money you pay to the police from
your taxes amounts to a few dollars a year. Think about how many
police are employed in your city, and then compare that to how
many people total. If you live in a good sized city, there maybe
hundreds of thousands of people, and probably 1 officer for every
few thousand people. When you add it up, it doesn't amount to very
much per person. The rest of your taxes go to all the other things
you are provided with that you don't consider in your narrow
minded hatred such as road repair and construction. I don't think
the amount of money that you paid over 35 years to the police adds
up to $20k. Besides, you brag everywhere that you DONT pay
income taxes, so what gives? I don't disagree that the officers
wronged you and violated the law, they had no probable cause to
stop you. I do disagree that you took tax payers money in a
lawsuit. Instead of simply proving your point and attempting to
prove the violation existed and that your rights were violated, you
got greedy and took money for this, in true patriot fashion. Im sure
the founding fathers would be proud. Then you took that money
and purchased a firearm that you don't need, instead of putting this

"patriot" money to a good cause . This is a much better use of tax

money than the police. This way, if the police do come to your
home ever, you can attempt to kill another human being, and
probably get yourself killed in the process, instead of fighting it in
the courts. Kudos.
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12-23-2006 03:11 AM
James Young "Transportation is a right, not a privelage." -- duncan

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BaltimoreLE responds:
Location: Austin, TX Sure it is, but DRIVING is a privelage.
Posts: 280
Sorry, that’s just flat wrong. In BELL v. BURSON, 402 U.S. 535
(1971), the US Supreme Court denominated a driver’s license as an
entitlement, greater than a privilege but not a right. It was not a
right inherent in our humanity such as free speech or to redress
grievances or voting because it required that a person demonstrate
an ability to understand the organizational laws of the road and to
operate a vehicle safely around others. It was also greater than a
privilege because, once obtained, it cannot be revoked except by
the due process of law.
Last edited by James Young on 12-23-2006 at 03:02 PM
12-23-2006 12:32 PM
badcopcatcher A right cannot be legislated by a government. Driving has always

Member been and will always be a RIGHT. It is a right that CANNOT be
taken away by force, and yet teh government FORCES itself into
the lives of millions of drivers each day via laws that they create.
Not saying someone has a right to hit person with a car. A right
does not give one the ability to transgress a persons right to live a
productive life.
Registered: Dec 2006 Yet, our govt hinders a persons right to live by interferring with
Location: mans right to drive.
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12-23-2006 01:50 PM
duncan "Sure it is, but DRIVING is a privelage."

Moderator
Did you not read the LAW?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Driving is a commerical activity to be regulated by the state.
Posts: 9006 Traveling in my car is a right and not a privielge. I never drive for
commercial purposes but I do travel in my car as a matter of right
and the LAW clearly states that traveling is a right that cannot be
regulated by the state, thus you are violating your oath of office
when you stop people along the road to harass them for exercising
a right.
No where in the BOR does it state that traveling is a privelege.
I never used the word "transportation" I used the word "travel" and
what I choose to travel in is my business and I choose to travel in a
car. I'm not transporting a thing I am travleing as a matter of right.
Why did you lie when you cliamed that I used the word
transportation and why did you make up the law?
"Concerning the taxes you stole from the lawsuit,"
Ya can't steal what was once stolen form you. I stole nothing but
you on the other hand live off of our stolen wealth.
" I do sincerely hope you know that the amount of money you pay
to the police from your taxes amounts to a few dollars a year.'
How do you know p8g? Site your source what are the numbers?
You swine get stolen money from property taxes, sales taxes and
the fed gives you parasites our money from income taxes. Not to
mention all the money you swine get from the traffic ticket taxes,
car registration taxes and property siezure theft. You tax consuming
parasite get alot of our money and none of us gave it to you freely
of our own choosing. it asmounts to hundreds of dollars per every
f8cking year copscum. I want it all back and the only way to get it
back would be to file lawsuits in federal court when you swine
violate the law.
"Think about how many police are employed in your city, and then
compare that to how many people total."
Think of all the city, county, state and federal copscum to include
all of the parasite who work for these same government entities
and then compare that to the number of people working in the
private sector. Only 80 million people work full time in the private
sector and the rest feed off of them. There are 300 million people in
amerika today and you are one of the 220 million human parasites
that feeds off the 80 million. The ratio is 1 copster per thousand,
but this 1 copster per copster organization per 1,000 taxpayers. 1
deputy, 1 highway patrolman, 1 city copster and god only knows

how many FBI, DEA, ATF, IRS, Homeland Gestapo agent, Border
Patrol goons, Coast Guardsman etc... there are feeding form the
tax trough . You left out support personel like dispatcher,
investigator, jailer, judge, DA etc... . You parasites have a big fat
budget and many of you copscum make at least 45K a year to
include benefits like paid health insurance, tax paid for dentall care,
tax paid for retiremtn pensions etc... . Many of us in the private
sector don't get these benefits. I know that I don't so why in the
f*ck should I be made to pay for your's a$$hole?
"If you live in a good sized city, there maybe hundreds of

thousands of people, and probably 1 officer for every few thousand
people."
Wrong copster try hundreds of copsters and cop support personel to

feed from the tax trough provided by 1,000 taxpayers and the
copsters provide no services to boot.
"When you add it up, it doesn't amount to very much per person."
I just did add it up and it it adds up to hundreds of dollars per

person depending on income.
"The rest of your taxes go to all the other things you are provided
with that you don't consider in your narrow minded hatred such as
road repair and construction."
Gas taxes pay for this and gas taxes is just another oppressive tax
not included in your tax consumption.
"I don't think the amount of money that you paid over 35 years to
the police adds up to $20k.'
Oh but is does add to more than 20k porkey especially when you
include my entire family who didn't sue to get thier money back. If
it's not much money then you shouldn't have a problem with me
and mine not paying for your unwanted services.
"Besides, you brag everywhere that you DONT pay income taxes,
so what gives?"
I don't but I am made to pay property taxes, sales taxes, gas

taxes, car registration taxes, inheritance taxes, on and on and on
and I get nothiogn for my money.
" I don't disagree that the officers wronged you and violated the
law, they had no probable cause to stop you. I do disagree that you
took tax payers money in a lawsuit."
My money parasite. I got my money back from the state. The swine
who violated my rights did so at the behest of the local County
Attorney, the District Attorney, the FBI and the county Sheriff. Like
you they were only following orders and so when you **** up and
violate the law by following orders should I sue you personally?

They were only following orders and only doing thier job so who
should I sue? Funny isn't it how the deputy was never charged with
the crime of lying to a public official, a class five felony but instead
he was retired and now works for the FBI. That's because he did
what he was told to do and if they had charged him with a criem
they would have to charge one another with the same crime.
These same deuties were the very same people we can see hiding
behind thier patrol cars at Columbine High showme the services
here. I can still see Estep and DiManna squating down beside the
fire truck while that school teacher Sanders lay bleeding to death all
the while the teachers students were begging DiManna to save their
teacher. Ah yes the Cowards of Columbine trained to protect no one
but themselves.
"Instead of simply proving your point and attempting to prove the

violation existed and that your rights were violated, you got greedy
and took money for this, in true patriot fashion."
You can't steal what has been stolen from you. My money and I got
it back it is that simple. I don't have the power to arrest Estep, and
the other deputies only your fellow swine have this power and to
date your fellow swine haven't arrested these criminal copsters.
What would you suggest I do? Kill them? Make a citizens arrest and
then kill them when they resist arrest? You sure are a violent little
fellow. I took the high road and sough a civilized way to dela with
the swien and in the process I got to publicly emnbarsses them.
You position is lame try again.
"Im sure the founding fathers would be proud."
I'm sure they would and they are truning over in their graves after
watching the new amerikan police state now in place. And they
would be proud of copster like you? Not likely.
"Then you took that money and purchased a firearm that you don't
need, instead of putting this "patriot" money to a good cause ."
Oh we will need it for the coming revoltuion when swine like you
come to seize our proeprty. But you have no problem yourself with
living off of the stolen wealth of our others. Money we need for our
families? People like you sicken me.
"This is a much better use of tax money than the police. This way, if
the police do come to your home ever, you can attempt to kill
another human being, and probably get yourself killed in the
process, instead of fighting it in the courts. Kudos."
I can attempt to prtect my home, my family from nazi's like you

who waste our tax dollars by losing lawsuits when they violate our
rights. Try again porkey you are batting a thousand losses so far.
Are you still on vaaction living on our tax dollars you lying sack of
sh8t?

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12-23-2006 04:01 PM
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"Sure it is, but DRIVING is a privelage."
Registered: Dec 2006 Get back to me once you've done yer homework on the subject.
Location:
Posts: 75 Google it!
Could it be you're confusing terms? Just because a law says

something doesn't make it fact, ethical, or in any way true.
12-23-2006 04:14 PM

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He probably didn't, since most cops:
1. Can't read.
2. Don't give a dried piece of rat shit about the law.

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Registered: Dec 2006 Would you give someone a ticket who may have to
Location: save your life the next day? For 5mph, probably not......
Posts: 2330 but where do you draw the line???? 10mph???20mph??
and you start to think- Is this ticket worth me dying the
next day because the other person is pissed at you and
slows their response to your call??? You are probably
thinking..well " the other guy is a bad cop then, he
deserves a ticket"...... cops are just people so sure, but
is that going to matter to anyone when you are
dead??????

Speeder Stops To Help Trooper
It’s true – the holidays seem to bring out the best in everyone. And
we do mean everyone.
In Montana, a state trooper made a U-turn on Interstate 15

recently to go after a speeder who was doing 95 mph in the
opposite direction.
But after the officer crossed the grassy median and got up to 120
mph trying to catch up, one of his rear tires blew out, sending his
car off the highway and through a fence.
According to The Associated Press, the man he was chasing saw a

cloud of dust in his rearview mirror and went back to help the
officer – apparently unaware that the trooper had been chasing him.
Happily, the officer was not injured. And the motorist, upon
learning what had happened, apologized for speeding.
Not surprisingly, no citations were issued.
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12-24-2006 02:04 PM
BaltimoreLE If driving was a right, you wouldn't need a license to drive. Having
Member children is a right, driving is a privilege, which is why if you get too
many speeding tickets, the state revokes your license, and you are
Registered: Dec 2006 no longer allowed to drive. Then if you attempt to excercise your
Location: "right" to drive after that, I arrest you. It is considered a privilege
Posts: 80
in MD, says so when you apply for a license. It also repeats this
several times on the advice of rights when you recieve a DUI. Your
driving privileges will be removed if you are found guilty. Do not
read law and attempt to make it cater to what you want. The law
reads what it reads, not what you want it to read. Everyone has the
right to recieve a driver's license, after you apply for it and
complete a driving test. You don't just get to go out and drive.
Duncan, you claim to be educated but you can't spell. I read a few
lines of your post and quit after all the spellling errors. Therefore I
couldn't respond.
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If driving was a right, you wouldn't need a license to drive. Having
Registered: Aug 2005 children is a right, driving is a privilege, which is why if you get too
Location: Austin, TX many speeding tickets, the state revokes your license, and you are
Posts: 280 no longer allowed to drive. Then if you attempt to excercise your
"right" to drive after that, I arrest you. It is considered a privilege in
MD, says so when you apply for a license.
Maryland does not have that authority to contravene the US

Supreme Court, to diminish what they have denominated as greater
than a privilege to a mere privilege, meaning that they can remove
it at a whim.
Sidebar: Maryland is the professed home of Officer Bob, clown of

the highways and the Information Superhighway. Must be
something in the water.
12-24-2006 03:15 PM
BaltimoreLE Whatever you say, I guess you should take it to the Supreme Court
Member when you are arrested if your license is suspended and revoked.
Just tell them it's your right to drive, revoked or not. If it is a
Registered: Dec 2006 supreme right, how can they revoke your license and take it away
Location: because you didn't pay your tickets? Any way you look at it, it's a
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privilege to drive. You don't have to apply for any other "right" in
the US, unless you are an illegal. I'm done with this subject, if you
believe it is your right to drive, then do so without a license. Just
don't say I didn't warn you.
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Whatever you say, I guess you should take it to the Supreme Court
Registered: Aug 2005 when you are arrested if your license is suspended and revoked.
Location: Austin, TX Just tell them it's your right to drive, revoked or not. If it is a
Posts: 280 supreme right, how can they revoke your license and take it away
because you didn't pay your tickets? Any way you look at it, it's a
privilege to drive. You don't have to apply for any other "right" in
the US, unless you are an illegal.
It isn’t what I say; it’s what the US Supreme Court has already
said. I am not asserting that driving is a right. I am saying that no
state has the authority to treat a driver’s license as a privilege, that
is, something that they can revoke at the whim of a bureaucracy.
A critical issue here is that many (if not all) states treat possession
of a license as a bludgeon, the removal of which severely restricts
the ability of the citizen to move about without interference, to earn
a living and enjoy the fruits of liberty that should be available to all.
We already see intrusions by states to remove licenses for driving
off without paying for gasoline (OK), failure to pay tolls, failure to
pay taxes or child support, etc. ad nauseam.
When coupled with the arbitrary and unconscionable enforcement of

irrational traffic laws, frequently for profit, we are left with the ugly
but unavoidable conclusion that law enforcement is acting to further
its institutional power and not for the benefit of the larger society.
It is up to you to stop this madness. Are you up to the challenge?
12-24-2006 03:36 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
If driving was a right, you wouldn't need a

license to drive.
Typical statist logic.

Registered: Jun 2005 Driving is a right, as is all other human behavior that does not
infringe upon or injure/damage the property or person of
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anyone else. Yet like all agents of the State, you automatically
assume that the fact that the State uses the threat of violence
to impose an illegal, immoral, and/or unconstitutional diktat
upon the public (i.e., the requirement to obtain a driver's
license, something that neither the U.S. nor any state

constitution that I am aware of authorizes the government to

do) somehow justifies the control of human behavior that is
none of the State's business whatsoever.
This is exactly how states like Nazi Germany and the USSR
came to power; violent, power-hungry thugs who seized the
machinery of state declared that "licenses", "permits",
"ordinances", and "laws", or other controls needed to be
imposed upon natural behavior, simply for the State's own
aggrandizement.
One of these days the public will weary of this attitude and will
begin to decide that things such as driver's/liquor/business/
professional licenses issued by the rogue State just aren't
necessary.
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12-24-2006 03:52 PM
duncan If driving was a right, you wouldn't need a license to drive.

Moderator Having children is a right, driving is a privilege, which is why
if you get too many speeding tickets, the state revokes your
Registered: Jul 2003 license, and you are no longer allowed to drive. Then if you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado attempt to excercise your "right" to drive after that, I arrest
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you. It is considered a privilege in MD, says so when you
apply for a license. It also repeats this several times on the
advice of rights when you recieve a DUI. Your driving
privileges will be removed if you are found guilty. Do not
read law and attempt to make it cater to what you want. The
law reads what it reads, not what you want it to read.
Everyone has the right to recieve a driver's license, after you
apply for it and complete a driving test. You don't just get to
go out and drive.

Are you really this stupid or are you just acting stupid to waste our
time? Either way you are repeating yourself and this will get you
banned from the forum.
I handed you the legal meaning of the words "driving" and

"traveling". Driving is a commercial activity and travleing is not.
The two words have different legal meanings and these meanings
have long ago been interpreted by the courts. I even posted the
LAW for you. You can lie and play stupid all you want, but the fact
is traveling is a right and as such a person does not need a DL to
travel.
A person needs a DL to drive they do not need a DL to travel.
I don't drive p8g so the point that you are making is mute. I travel
as a matter of right and if you violate my right to travel you will get
sued and lose in a court of LAW!!!. You have just admitted to
having violated people's right to travel, thus you have violated your
oath of office, ergo you lied when you stated that you have upheld
your oath of office. There is not a copster around who has ever
upheld his oath of office.
If you contine to harp on the same subject and lie about what it is
that was just posted then you will be gone from the forum. Do I
make myself clear?
The LAW!!!!
NO PERSON SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LISENCE

TO TRAVEL ON THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS OF WYOMING UNLESS
SUCH PERSON IS USING THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS FOR THE
PURPOSE OF COMMERCE.
The law does not specify what I can use as my mode of travel and if
the law does not specifically lay it out then that means I can use a
car, a plane, a horse, a motorcycle, bicycle, a skate board etc.... . I
can only travel ON the highway in a car as this is what a highway is
designed for. I can't walk on the highway or ride a horse as I would
get run down by a car. So like duh!!! keep it up you lying sack of
sh8t you are making me look good.
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12-24-2006 05:27 PM
duncan Whatever you say, I guess you should take it to the Supreme
Moderator Court when you are arrested if your license is suspended and
revoked. Just tell them it's your right to drive, revoked or
Registered: Jul 2003 not. If it is a supreme right, how can they revoke your
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado license and take it away because you didn't pay your tickets?
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Any way you look at it, it's a privilege to drive. You don't
have to apply for any other "right" in the US, unless you are
an illegal. I'm done with this subject, if you believe it is your
right to drive, then do so without a license. Just don't say I
didn't warn you.
It's got nothing to do with what we say. It is what the SC has said i.
e. TRAVELING IS A RIGHT!!!!!. The issue was already taken to the
SC and when you arrest people who travel as a matter of right then
you are the one breaking the law. They can't revoke my DL becuase
I don't have a DL and I don't need a DL because travleing is right
and not a privelge.
Yer godamn right yer done ya lying sack of sh8t.
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12-24-2006 05:31 PM
GC Marciano quote:
I hate the media because they don't care
about facts, only headlines.
Then you'll understand perfectly why so many people hate the

police because they dont care about the truth, only arrests.
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GC Marciano quote:
Duncan, when you won your beloved law suit,
(therby making lawyers even more powerful
then they already are), where do you think
that $20,000 came from?
The county's insurance provider.

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GC Marciano quote:
Duncan, you claim to be educated but you
can't spell. I read a few lines of your post and
quit after all the spellling errors. Therefore I
couldn't respond.
The word "spelling" only has 2 L's, and the final sentence in the
paragraph is considered a run-on fragment.
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Other than the improper spelling of the word "spelling", the
proper way to say it would be "I read a few lines of your post
and quit after all the spellling errors, therefore I couldn't
respond."
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12-26-2006 01:02 AM
Member
Do not read law and attempt to make it cater to
what you want. The law reads what it reads, not
what you want it to read.

Location: Oh that's rich....a filthy fecalencephaloid tells the average citizen to
Posts: 75 not read the law or interpret it. Yet reading and interpreting laws
are what cops, judges, attorneys do everyday.
In the statist thugs mind the people aren't to read nor understand
law. They are only to be manipulated by the law at the hands of
those in power.
The self-proclaimed masters never want their "slaves" to learn or

think.
12-26-2006 07:57 AM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by badcopcatcher
Oh that's rich....a filthy fecalencephaloid tells
the average citizen to not read the law or
interpret it. Yet reading and interpreting laws
are what cops, judges, attorneys do everyday.
In the statist thugs mind the people aren't to

read nor understand law. They are only to be
manipulated by the law at the hands of those
in power.
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The self-proclaimed masters never want their
"slaves" to learn or think.
BaltimoreLE's order is from panic. He knows that his and his

fellow thugscum's days of unbridled and unchallenged violence
against the citizenry are definitely numbered, probably in the
low three digits, at most. Like his politician overlords, he thinks
he can simply order people not to think and follow their
consciences and that they will obey him and be assimilated.

It would be cute if not so pathetic.
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12-26-2006 01:54 PM
BaltimoreLE So if it is everyone's right to drive an automobile, and that driver's

Member licenses are unconstitutional, I suppose you all think a 10 year old
should be able to freely operate a ferrari through the streets of
Registered: Dec 2006 NYC? Be serious, because someone in this country WOULD give
Location: their 10 year old a ferrari. Just remember, that if you think it is an
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unbridled right to drive an automobile, that it is EVERYONE'S right.
The very young, very old, mentally ill, THE BLIND, the people who
have been in 30 at fault accidents, this is why they require driver's
licenses. None of you think of these reasons because you take the
constitution far too literally, and only view how the law affects you
in your own little world. You don't consider how the law applies to
anyone else, because you don't live in the real world. The founding
fathers never imagined that we would have internal combustion
engines which propelled 3500 lbs of metal to 150 mph, so they
didn't include that part in the constitution. However, I do believe it
is everyone's right to travel, because as I've stated before, you are
more than welcome to take a bus, cab, train, plane, etc.......and
nope, you don't have to have a DL to do so. I suppose you probably
think it's everyone's right to fly a plane too, see you on the next
Southwest flight? Flying a plane IS traveling..... Some of you are so
ridiculous.
If you think it is your right to drive an automobile without a license,

fine. I don't care what you do, as long as you don't drive through
my post in MD without a license, if you do so, you WILL be
arrested. I'm not threatening to arrest you for driving without a
license, it's surely a promise, and it's my job. It's the law and it
doesn't matter to me whether you think it's unconstitutional or not.

There are many reasons why you must obtain a license to operate a
MV and I happen to agree with them, not that it matters. The law in
MD says you cannot operate a motor vehicle without a DL, if you do
I arrest you and charge you accordingly. Sue me.
As far as I'm concerned, this topic is closed or at least I'm not

responding to it any longer. I responded to a thread that hadn't
been responded to, and it again turned into 20 other topics which
had nothing to do with the original post. Attacking me from 10
different angles is no way to dispute a topic or resolve any issues. I
don't mind having intelligent converstion, but some of the words
put into my mouth on this forum border stupidity.
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badcopcatcher Right pertains to ability. If the 10 year old is capable of correctly

Member driving a car then so be it.
Wasn't so long ago an 8 year old could ride a horse, fire a gun, and
work the farm. We as a society have gotten lazy.
the majority of citizens have given personal responsibility over to

copscum. Personally I can govern myself so I don't need copscum
interferring with my life and the only reason people obey police is
Registered: Dec 2006 because of fear.
Location:
Posts: 75 Cops have power but NOT authority. There is a fundamental
difference between those two concepts that fecalencephaloid
copscum like BLE will NEVER understand.
12-26-2006 03:05 PM

James Young Let’s take a different tack and try to determine exactly where we
Moderator agree and where we disagree. Do you believe that officers
misbehave? Do you believe that they use the color of authority to
Registered: Aug 2005 extend their own personal reach? Do you believe that citizens have
Location: Austin, TX a right – nay, an obligation – to expose such behavior? Do you
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believe that officers, as public employees with far-reaching publicly-
granted authority, are subject to a higher standard of behavior than
private employees and/or citizens? Do you believe that public
employees should or should not enjoy the same level of
employment privacy as private citizens? Do you support the
reforms as advocated in a separate forum on this site? Do you
believe that public employees, especially law enforcement, should
be sheltered from repercussions of the damage that they initiated
with their actions? Do you accept the assertion that the war on
drugs causes more damage than drugs themselves? Do you believe
in punishing people for activity that harms nobody else except
possibly themselves? What would it take to convince you that –
despite the vitriol and the sometimes psychosis of some posters
here – that we really do have a legitimate point, i.e., that laws and
law enforcement needs to be reformed?
Edited to add: Do you believe that law enforcement brought all this
condemnation on itself?
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12-26-2006 03:15 PM
liberranter [QUOTE]Originally posted by BaltimoreLE

Super Moderator
As far as I'm concerned, this topic is closed or at least
I'm not responding to it any longer.
Can we get that as a promise in writing?
Attacking me from 10 different angles is no way to

dispute a topic or resolve any issues.
(Translation: I have ZERO critical thinking skills and am thus

defenseless, so LEAVE ME ALONE!)
Location: Tucson, AZ Interesting how the concept of "attacking from 10 different
Posts: 5865 angles" is perfectly OK in a scenario where the "attack" is by a
gang of cops and the victim is a lone (and usually unarmed)
citizen.
I don't mind having intelligent converstion, but some of

the words put into my mouth on this forum border
stupidity.
I don't normally advocate banning anyone, but I think I'm going

to second Duncan's motion to do exactly that next time you

claim that someone is "putting words into [your] mouth." I
think most of us are getting really sick and tired of hearing this
whiny and pathetic excuse that you seem addicted to hurling
like an epithet whenever someone in the forum uses the simple
forces of reason and logic to refute the mountains of nonsense
that you've written in post after post.
IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!
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12-26-2006 08:04 PM
duncan Wyoming State Statute W.S.S. 31-5-110

Moderator
NO PERSON SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LISENCE
Registered: Jul 2003 TO TRAVEL ON THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS OF WYOMING UNLESS
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado SUCH PERSON IS USING THE ROADS AND HIGHWAYS FOR THE
Posts: 9006 PURPOSE OF COMMERCE.
The copscum posted that he was done talking about the subject yet
here we see the lying sack of sh*t still talking about it why?
"So if it is everyone's right to drive an automobile, and that driver's

licenses are unconstitutional, I suppose you all think a 10 year old
should be able to freely operate a ferrari through the streets of
NYC?'
No one posted that anyone has a right to drive. I posted that

travleing is right not to be regulated by the state. I even posted the
law for you ya stupid motherf8cker and if you don't like then I
suggest that you write a letter to Congress.

"Be serious, because someone in this country WOULD give their 10

year old a ferrari."
We never take a lying sack of sh8t like you seriuosly.
"Just remember, that if you think it is an unbridled right to drive an

automobile, that it is EVERYONE'S right. The very young, very old,
mentally ill, THE BLIND, the people who have been in 30 at fault
accidents, this is why they require driver's licenses."
No one posted that anyone has a right to drive. I posted that

traveling is right not to be regulated by the state. I even posted the
law for you ya stupid motherf8cker and if you don't like then I
suggets you write a letter to congress.
'None of you think of these reasons because you take the

constitution far too literally, and only view how the law affects you
in your own little world. You don't consider how the law applies to
anyone else, because you don't live in the real world.'
The LAW!!! is not my interpretation there is no interpretation of the

BOR is says what it means and means what it says and if you don't
like what it says then write a letter to your congressmen. The law is
not what you and your fellow copswine want it to be.
I'm not blind, I'm not mentally ill and If I'm not blind , mentally ill,
or underage then why do I need a DL? The DL has nothing to do
with safety because f8cKing swine like you will issue a DL to the
half blind and the mentally ill. So much for the ****9ng DL and the
BS about safety. You idiots issued to my 91 year old granny a DL
and she averaged at least two accidents a year in which on several
occassions people were injured.
"The founding fathers never imagined that we would have internal

combustion engines which propelled 3500 lbs of metal to 150 mph,
so they didn't include that part in the constitution."
They never imagined the internet either so what? They did however
imagine a police state in amerika and this is why they demanded
that the BOR be not only added to the US CON but that it be placed
at the very begining of the entire document. The rights of the
individual shall not be trashed under the pretext of safety and the
kind of BS arguements that you have posted under your narrow
view of things.
Now why in the f8ck would a blind guy want to travel in car in
which that blind person was behind the wheel? What a moronic idea
that only a copster who was grasping at straws would come up
with. But of course copsters percieve that all of us in society have
no scrupules or brians, copscum think that all the rest of us are just
like them. They need to create fictional events that of course will
never occur in order to justify a need for their pathetic existence. It
is called fear mongering. No DL would mean that every blind person

in amerika wiil go out and buy a car and then jump right in and get
behind the wheel. If anyone believes this garbage then I have some
beach front property in Grover, Colorado I can sell ya.
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12-27-2006 03:00 PM
duncan " Be serious, because someone in this country WOULD give their 10
Moderator year old a ferrari."
Registered: Jul 2003 Who? Grasping at straws as this is all he can do.
Posts: 9006 " THE BLIND, the people who have been in 30 at fault accidents,
this is why they require driver's licenses."
Blind people is accidents? Who? The state issues DL's to blind

people why? So that copscum like you can write traffic tickets for
the state to gather revenue.
"However, I do believe it is everyone's right to travel, because as

I've stated before, you are more than welcome to take a bus, cab,
train, plane, etc.......and nope, you don't have to have a DL to do
so."
Your posts indicate that YOU DO NOT SUPPORT OUR RIGHTS!!!!!

I'm not blind so why do I need a DL? You think that all should have
a DL even those of who are not blind or mentally ill etc. ... Why
should the rest of us be made to give up a right for the few or for
the BS reasons you just posted?
Based your very own postion only blind people should have DL's.
You would give a DL to blind person, this is in essence what you

have said. You posted some kind of crap about 30 accidents

involving blind people and this only means that they drove without
a DL even though you they are required to have a DL. Do you see
the stupidity of your postion? If a blind guy doesn't have a DL
becuase the state would not issue him and he wants to drive then
guess what he will drive with or without a DL.
"I suppose you probably think it's everyone's right to fly a plane
too, see you on the next Southwest flight? Flying a plane IS
traveling..... Some of you are so ridiculous."
Hey stupid did you not know that 12 year old children are flying
planes? Yes we have the right to fly private planes and people are
doing so now.
"If you think it is your right to drive an automobile without a

license, fine. I don't care what you do, as long as you don't drive
through my post in MD without a license, if you do so, you WILL be
arrested."
MY my a threat of voilence. I don't drive p*g I travel and my right

to travel is protected under the law.
"I'm not threatening to arrest you for driving without a license, it's
surely a promise, and it's my job.'
The moron now codradicts himself with yet another threat of

violence. Traveling is right and we never drive. I don't need a DL to
travel.
"It's the law and it doesn't matter to me whether you think it's
unconstitutional or not. There are many reasons why you must
obtain a license to operate a MV and I happen to agree with them,
not that it matters. The law in MD says you cannot operate a motor
vehicle without a DL, if you do I arrest you and charge you
accordingly. Sue me."
More idol threats. Do not violate the law p8g otherwise I shall be
forced to defend myself from your violent actions.
"A far as I'm concerned, this topic is closed or at least I'm not
responding to it any longer."
Now run along spank cause you just got spanked.
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12-27-2006 03:20 PM
duncan What the copster is saying is that if the state were to stop issuing
Moderator DL's then blind people would run out of thier homes and jump into
a car and operate it. How far could a blind guy get? He or she
Registered: Jul 2003 wouldn't even make it to the front door of the house much less to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the car door. How would a blind person even find the keys to a car?
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Even if a blind guy made it to the car with car keys in hand then
how far could they get operating the car?
This is the copsters sole arguement for forcing people to get DL's.
Does a DL in and of itself prevent accidents? Nope
Does a DL stop drunken driving? Nope
Does the taking away of a DL stop accidents? Nope
Does non-issueing of a DL stop people from driving? Nope
So why are the copsters and the state so dead set in forcing people
to have a DL? Control and revenue, it has nothing to do with safety.
You saw it here folks the copster was cited the law and posted that
he doesn't give a flying f*ck about the law or your rights, thus he
has and will continue to violate his oath of office when ordered to
do so.
A DL does not stop accidents or blind people from operating cars,

but it does turn a right into a privelege to be overregulated by
copscum.
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James Young duncan writes:

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So why are the copsters and the state so dead set in forcing people
Registered: Aug 2005 to have a DL? Control and revenue, it has nothing to do with safety.
Posts: 280 That is correct.
What the copster is saying is that if the state were to stop issuing
DL's then blind people would run out of thier homes and jump into
a car and operate it.
This is exactly the issue addressed by Bell v. Burson, 402 U.S. 535
(1971), wherein Justice William Brennan denominated a driver’s
license, once attained by demonstration of ability to operate a
vehicle in accordance with established law (URROW, not
administrative law), as an “entitlement,” which could not be
rescinded without operation of due process. Blind people cannot

demonstrate such ability because it is precluded them by the nature

of their particular limitation.
This is the copsters sole arguement for forcing people to get DL's.
I suspect that most officers rely excessively on the fact that it is a

law and pay insufficient heed to the intent or the underlying
assumptions that induced the law in the first place. IOW, the law is
the law is the law and requires no more consideration.
A common example is their treatment of speed limits. We have

been offered at least four excuses for speed limits since their
creation over a century ago.
1. An attempt to drive the newly-invented horseless-carriage out of
existence
2. An attempt to save tires and/or fuel
3. An attempt to conflate speed control with traffic safety
4. An attempt to restrict urban sprawl by limiting commute times.
None of these has ever been successful. Yet, cops continue to

enforce speed limits more intensely than all other infractions
combined (TXDOT and TXDPS) because it is the law and then
smugly tell us to get the law changed. Well, we did just that when
we got the hated and dangerous NMSL (“55”) rescinded. Guess
what? We were right and the cops were wrong; key safety
measurements continued to improve despite 80 mph limits, more
drivers and cars and the “bloodbath” predictions of the naysayers at
NHTSA.
12-27-2006 11:03 PM
duncan And when you think about the new kind of technology that can be
Moderator placed in cars now a days a blind person could get into a car give
the car instructions as to were he or she wanted to go and then the
Registered: Jul 2003 computer, which would be placed in the car, would be the very
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado thing operating the car and would take the blind guy to his or her
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destination.
The blind guy would simply be a passenger and the computer would
be the one who needs the DL and not the blind guy. The copscum
would have to arrest the computer for traveling without a DL.
I think that we are on to something here boys, we should all get

cars that are computer operated and then blame the computer for
speeding etc.. .
"Hey copper I'm just the passenger here and not the operator so
that would mean you can't write me a ticket."
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GC Marciano Dear Mr. Police Officer:

Dear Police Officer:
I don't want to kill you. I don't even want to wound you. I

admire your courage and the commitment you've made to help
others, sometimes at the risk of your own life. I hope you won't
come for me, because if you do, one of us will die. It may be
you. I've done nothing wrong. I don't intend to. But the
government that you serve has passed too many laws. I am
sure to accidentally break one some day. And that same
Posts: 9967 government is systematically destroying the unalienable rights
which our Constitution says may not be infringed very
specifically, my right to keep and bear arms.
I am not some wacko lunatic, but I can no longer stand idly by,
while decent people are systematically enslaved by an out of

control government. I cannot allow a corrupt judiciary to use its

power to destroy my rights and my country. That government
and that judiciary has begun to use you to arrest and kill people
just like me people who believe that the Declaration of
Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean
precisely what they say.
You don't know me, but you see me every day. I may be a
businessman, a truck driver, an executive. I could be a
housewife or a salesman. But I am armed, as Americans have
been for over 250 years, and I am determined to keep the
freedoms that only an armed people may retain. With a rifle, I
can hit a man sized target at 800 yards. At shorter distances, in
the blink of an eye, I can hit a head size target with a handgun.
I don't wear a uniform. I don't drive a marked car. I don't wear
camouflage. I could be your own secretary, or your barber. I
might be the guy who delivers your bottled water, or the parcel
delivery lady. You don't know who I am, or what arms I have,
and you never will. I am millions. I am America.
But I know you. I know your uniform, your car, and your work
schedule. I know where you work, and where you live. And that
is good for you, because not only am I no threat to you, so long
as you do the job for which you are hired, I am also prepared to
assist you when you are threatened. There aren't many of me
left, you may think, but believe me, there are many, many
more than you can imagine. When the chips are down, we are
the ones who are truly on your side. On your side, that is, so
long as you honor your Oath.
We are on your side if you are one of the peace officers who are
not corrupt and who have not sold out to the socialists and
communists who will do anything, say anything to destroy the
America our fathers and grandfathers bequeathed us. No, I am
no threat to you, but your bosses in government don't see it
that way. They think that I, and my arms, are a threat to them,
and they are planning to send you for me, just as they've sent
armed, dangerous officers on select little missions for years,
taking out targeted individuals. On their orders, you may
succeed in murdering me for my beliefs. Or you may not.
Whether or not you succeed in murdering me, as federal agents
murdered Vicky Weaver in Idaho; or as those same federal
agents murdered 81 men, women and children at Waco, Texas;
there will be others who will rise up in my memory, as I now
rise up in honor of the innocent lives taken by the jack booted
thugs and black clad imitation ninjas who think it is fun to
murder Americans or who have somehow become convinced
that it is their job to murder Americans.
I am prepared to die, honoring my sacred Oath as an American,

to defend and protect the Constitution of the united States of
America. Are you prepared to die to violate the Oath you took?
You see, our government is out of control. You know it. You've

seen it. But you, like many others, have been too concerned
with your job, your family, and your pension, to say or do
anything about it. Deep down, you know I am right. But you
think you must follow orders.
Or must you? Are you going to murder me for having the

courage to stand up for the country and the principles in which
you believe? Are you going to go along with unconscionably
illegal, unconstitutional orders, just as the "good" German
soldiers followed their orders? Are you going to be a peace
officer or a jack booted thug? There is little difference between
a street outlaw who murders and robs; and a uniformed thug
who murders and robs under color of law. The result is the
same. Property confiscated, lives ruined, families ripped apart,
murder committed, and a free nation destroyed.
Look at history. Look around the world. As we move toward a

lawless society, our country moves closer and closer to anarchy
and then some form of fascism. Are you going to enforce
unconstitutional laws? Are you going to be the private army of
fascist dictators masquerading as democratic representatives?
Or are you going to do your part to recapture America? Are you
going to keep your eyes and ears open? Will you let me know
when the jack booted thugs in the SWAT teams have targeted
me? Will you let your fellow officers know that they are being
sold down the river by their corrupt masters? Don't come to kill
me. Because I don't want to kill you. If you do come, you may
succeed if you get lucky. But don't count on luck, because it will
probably be hard… damned hard. Like millions of other
Americans, I am the son or daughter of a nation of riflemen
citizen soldiers who have a rich heritage of beating the best the
enemy can send against us. We are resourceful. We understand
weapons and tactics. You are foolish if you intend to be our
enemy. If you don't succeed in the long run, and you won't,
here's what you can expect: ambushes of SWAT teams; the
wholesale slaughter of all the jack booted thugs who have
murdered innocent Americans on the orders of their socialist
masters; targeted assassinations and kidnappings of anti
Constitution judges; assassinations of anti-American, anti-gun
politicians.
By your willingness to be a good little Nazi, you will have

unleashed a civil war. It doesn't have to be that way. You can
do something about it. It's easy. Read the Declaration of
Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Although
you took an Oath to defend them, you don't see much of them
in your training, do you? Today, these documents are
considered dangerous by the government, just as King George
found them dangerous over 200 years ago. Why do you
suppose your leaders lead you to oppose the very rights you
swore to protect? Why do they want a disarmed public? You
know the reason. It has nothing to do with controlling crime. It
has everything to do with using you to disarm and control your

fellow American Citizens.
Don't fall for it. Don't force me to kill you.
Sincerely,
100 million real Americans
(Author unknown)
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11-25-2006 11:23 PM
Texastwister Wow, This is a very good thread. I can't wait to see our LEO
Senior Member members replys to this one.
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11-26-2006 08:45 AM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Wow, This is a very good thread. I can't wait

to see our LEO members replys to this one.
If they reply at all, they'll most likely regurgitate the statist, pro-
cop party line, only with a bit of added belligerence. There is
certainly nothing they can say that will in any way coherently
Posts: 5865 refute what this beautifully written open letter says.

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11-26-2006 02:31 PM
liberranter I would also add the following to this open letter:

Super Moderator
"Ask yourself, Mr. Police Officer, when the day comes when you
choose to obey the unlawful orders of your superiors and
confront me with an arrest warrant for exercising one of my
God-given unalienable rights: 'Am I willing to risk death for
THIS? Am I willing to make my wife a widow and my children
orphans because a citizen chose to ingest a substance into his
own body that caused harm to only himself and no one else, or
this citizen chose to sell said substances to a willing buyer, in
violation of no one's rights or property? Am I willing to die
because I chose to violently break into a citizen's house in
Location: Tucson, AZ execution of a warrant that was based on the unverified word of
Posts: 5865 a known criminal of questionable reputation? Am I willing to risk
killling an innocent citizen in the course of such an act?'
"If your answer to each of these questions was "YES,

ABSOLUTELY," then you will have confirmed for all the world
that my decision to resist you with armed force was absolutely
the correct and moral one. And know this, Mr. Police Officer: If
it is I who am killed in our confrontation, I will be the one who
has died a free man, valiantly fighting to defend the ideals of
freedom and justice upon which this nation was founded. My
surviving family (assuming any of my family DOES survive and
that you and your fellow thugscum won't have killed them "in
self defense" while "serving a warrant") and friends will know
that I have died in the cause of liberty and that my death at
your hands was unjust. In short, you will have made me a
martyr.
"You, on the other hand, will be exposed and remembered for

exactly what you are: a violent, cowardly, brainless thug who is

nothing but a disposable hired goon in service to a runaway
dictatorship. As you create more and more martyrs like me, as
more and more of my fellow citizens come to feel a sense of
utter revulsion at everything you stand for, they will begin to
actively resist you. They will not wait to become your next
victim.
"On the other hand, it's not too late for you to redeem yourself.
If you answered 'NO!' to any of the above questions, then you
are a creature of rare courage who can have an invaluable
impact on our nation's future. By saying 'NO, I will NOT arrest
this person for exercising their natural rights. They have
committed no crime against the person or property of anyone
else!', or 'NO, I will NOT execute this illegally obtained and
unlawful search warrant, which is nothing other than gratuitous
violence against the person and property of innocent citizens
unpopular with the current regime!', then you have then
undying loyalty of your fellow citizens. You and your fellow
citizens dedicated to protecting and enforcing natural law are
the legitimate law of the land, not your corrupt, politicized,
national-socialist overlords. Indeed, it is now your duty to bring
them to justice for their crimes against the citizens of the
United States and your fellow citizens will gladly assist you in
this endeavor.
"So in closing, remember the point of this letter, as stated in

the beginning: We the People do not 'hate' you and wish you no
ill or harm whatsoever as long as you remember your oath of
office and deligiently uphold and protect the rights and property
of the people, not trample over them in blind obedience to your
lawless bosses. Violate your oath of office and blindly follow
your bosses dicates and you will suffer. But if you do your job
as you swore to do it, you will have the unquestionable loyalty
and cooperation of the citizenry. The choice is yours. The right
choice is obvious. Let us sincerely that hope you make it."
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11-26-2006 03:05 PM
Area51Spy 100 million real Americans? Please. You appointed you spokesman
Incompletely Registered - for 1/3 of the nation (oh sorry I forgot you interviewed 100 million
Possibly a SOL people). You and hundres of others at this website are such vitrolic
anti-cop lunatics you are beyond reason. The simple suggestion of
Registered: Nov 2006 shooting cops or ANYONE for that matter is proof positive of this.
Location:
Most cops are in favor of the right to bear arms. I've been with the
Posts: 6
NYPD for 18 years and I have NEVER known anyone who ever
wanted to shoot or even pull their gun. Your rant is one of a
paranoid, conspiracy laden individual who has lost touch with
reality. If every cop in the nation went on a 24 hour strike, what
shape would the country be in the next day? The criminals would
have total control and rape every city and town (those who have
the strictest gun laws that is) and then maybe, MAYBE people would
finally realize that WE hold the very fabric of society together. It is
posts like yours that, if anything, make cops like myself make sure
we do the bare minimum, only what my job requires and NO MORE
and get the hell out, collect the pension and finally live a normal
life. A life where where we can sit back and laught at statements
like "I know where you work, and where you live." Doing the
minimum is as safe as it gets. Do nothing wrong, only perform
tasks that are required by the job and NO MORE. That way I'm safe
from the BS that you and your fellow anti-cop nuts want to put me
through. Not a thing you can do about it. Nothing forces me to
chase criminals (just take the report), be pro-active, or get involved
in any way unless it is absolutely required. You and your type made
us this way. Why should I risk my career in any way if I need not?
Make arrests, write summons yes, but only when nessesary.
PREVENT crime and get involved with the community when I'm not
required to? Forget it. Too much monday morning quarterbacking.
Too much "he shouldn't have done this or that." Just do my 8 1/2
hrs., answer 911 calls and go the heck home! Be happy in the
Police Dept's you created, and the next time you or your family
needs help, call the crack addict on the street and leave me ALONE!
11-30-2006 05:59 PM

duncan You appointed your self spokesman for the other 2/3rd's of society?
Moderator Please copscum feed your cop crap to those who would buy any of
it.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado We at copwatch know that we cannot reason with the hate mongers
Posts: 9006 of freedom and we won't even bother to try when you come to our
homes to kill us. We will simply shoot first when you come to our
front doors screaming threats of violence and waving your guns at
us like lunatics.
Most cops are in favor of the right to bear arms. I've been
with the NYPD for 18 years and I have NEVER known anyone
who ever wanted to shoot or even pull their gun.
But this copster will kill you for merley owning a gun without the
city of New York's written permission. This copster will confiscate
you weapon of self defense at gun point, he will stick a gun to your
head and blow you away if you choose to defend freedom in the
face of his facism. Most copscum enforce illegal gun laws that are in
violation of the second amendment. This p8g is liar and an idiot.
If every cop in the nation went on a 24 hour strike, what

shape would the country be in the next day?
Crime would go down. The Albuquerque PD went on strike back in

the mid 70's and crime went down not up. There was no chaos. The
NYPD has gone on strike many times and nothing happened, but
when 9/11 occured you copscum did nothing to prevent the chaos
that occured afterwards. The NYPD only helped to feed the problem
by refusing to communicate with the NYFD.
You bore me little man. You are a liar and human parasite who
feeds off of other people's fear. You and I both know that if you
clowns all quit tommorrow crime would go down and not up as
every individual in society would be forced to defend themselves
and no longer be able to depend on you losers for protection or
rather the illuson of protection. The first line of defense is the
individual and not you copsters.
It is posts like yours that, if anything, make cops like myself

make sure we do the bare minimum, only what my job
requires and NO MORE and get the hell out,
Please get the f*ck out now. Get the f*ck out of my society, get the
f*ck out of my wallet, get the f*ck out of my home, get the f*ck out
of life and get the f*ck off of our website NOW!!!!.
You worthless bag of gas we will stop paying you do nothing. You
protect no one you are the one who works to disarm the innocent
and prevent people from protecting themselves so that you can
have job security by pretending that only you can protect. You
copscum f*ck over Bernie Goetz we he stood up to a group of thugs
to protect his life and property.

Damn if we do and damned if we don't with you copscum. If we

speak out agianst your BS you won't protect us, but you swine will
all continue to feed off of our wealth and if we take the intiative to
protect ourselves then you arrest us. Go f8ck yourself asshole. It
was you NYPD swine who just blew away an innocent black man,
show me the protection here you lying sack of dog sh8t.
Ban this human parasite from my site and our website he sickens
me.
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11-30-2006 06:55 PM
GC Marciano I'm assuming Area51spy thinks we have never before heard all
Copwatcher Extraordinaire that whiny propaganda before.
Could somebody grab Area51spy a Kleenex?
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11-30-2006 07:45 PM
Area51Spy A little suggestion, use spellcheck. Didn't I say that I am FOR gun
Incompletely Registered - ownership?? A card carrying NRA member. And isn't the title of the
Possibly a SOL section I posted in "Ask A Cop"???? For someone who proclaims he
loves the constitution you want me BANNED?? I guess your version
Registered: Nov 2006 of freedom of speech applies only if you like the speech in question.
Location:
You write about "this copster" wil do this and that, but you don't
Posts: 6
even know me! Talk about predjudice! I CLEARLY stated that I don't
pretend to protect anybody exept my own interests since it is whale
crap like you that make me realize that no matter what we do it will
ALWAYS be wrong in your eyes. I'm all for the citizens of this
country to bear arms and protect their life and property. So don't
try twisting my words. You stated "We will simply shoot first when
you come to our front doors", well don't worry about me pal, I
learned a long time ago to stay far away from the public unless
absolutely necessary. After all, you say
"if you clowns all quit tommorrow crime would go down", society
would be better of if there were no cops at all, right? So I'll be
MORE than happy to leave you alone tough guy, all I ask is the
same in return. Oh, by the way, I pay city taxes too, so I guess I'm
paying my own salary.
11-30-2006 07:49 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Area51Spy
isn't the title of the section I posted in "Ask A
Cop"????
Yes, it's good to see you can read. But this thread was not a
question to a cop so your response is not needed.
Location: Chicago, Illinois quote:
Posts: 9967
For someone who proclaims he loves the
constitution you want me BANNED?? I guess
your version of freedom of speech applies only
if you like the speech in question.

Freedom of Speech does not apply to privately owned forums.
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11-30-2006 07:53 PM
Area51Spy
Possibly a SOL
This post has been edited or removed by an administrator due to the users refusal or inability to follow
the stated rules; specifically rules pertaining to disruptive posts and personal attacks.
Location: Please refer to the FAQ & RULES thread and familiarize yourself with the Copwatch TOS.
Posts: 6
11-30-2006 08:15 PM
GC Marciano Imagine that... a cop who can't follow rules.

Thanks for solidifying our points.
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11-30-2006 08:19 PM
Area51Spy My post was a personal attack but Duncan's WASN'T???? You guys
Incompletely Registered - are great.
Possibly a SOL

Location:
Posts: 6
11-30-2006 08:24 PM
GC Marciano Suddenly a double standard is a problem for you?

Interesting.
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11-30-2006 08:26 PM
Area51Spy
Possibly a SOL
Anyway, so long folks, if my posts will be censored I'll simply
continue to monitor this website daily and update my members on
Location:
all of YOU and what you say (Go ahead ban my screen name I'll
Posts: 6 register with another using a different e-mail). Meantime, I'll be
retired in 17 months, collecting my fattened pension for the rest of
my life thanks to tons of overtime, and bask in sunny Las Vegas
with my paid for house. See ya! LMAO!

11-30-2006 08:30 PM
duncan A little suggestion, use spellcheck. Didn't I say that I am

Moderator FOR gun ownership?? A card carrying NRA member. And isn't
the title of the section I posted in "Ask A Cop"???? For
Registered: Jul 2003 someone who proclaims he loves the constitution you want
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado me BANNED?? I guess your version of freedom of speech
Posts: 9006
applies only if you like the speech in question. You write
about "this copster" wil do this and that, but you don't even
know me! Talk about predjudice! I CLEARLY stated that I
don't pretend to protect anybody exept my own interests
since it is whale crap like you that make me realize that no
matter what we do it will ALWAYS be wrong in your eyes.
I'm all for the citizens of this country to bear arms and
protect their life and property. So don't try twisting my
words. You stated "We will simply shoot first when you
come to our front doors", well don't worry about me pal, I
learned a long time ago to stay far away from the public
unless absolutely necessary. After all, you say
A little suggestion, use logic and learn how to think before you post.
Copster are for gun control as these are the people who enforce
illegal gun laws. If you were for gun rights you wouldn't be cop ya
stupid f8ck. The NRA is a cop loving gun control organization. it was
the NRA that sold us out ot the brady bunch so that now all gun
owners are treated as if there are criminals by the fed and local
copscum. A true gun rights organization would be the JPFO or GOA
who both detest facist p8gs like you for confiscating our guns.
This is a private forum and you have just violated our property
rights when you came here to sh*t on our property, thus you
violated the BOR.
The guy asked a question of a cop, any cop would do, and I have
yet to see you answer the question. All you have done is whine and
lie about your worthless profession. You copscum have banned us
from your forums so why can't we do the same thing to you? And
these cop forums are paid for with our tax dollars.
Your fellow swine have attempted on numerous occasions to shut

down this website, thus proving that you swine hate free speech
and will even stoop to violating the rights of others if you don't like
what it is that they have to say about copscum.
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11-30-2006 09:31 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Go ahead ban my screen name I'll register
with another using a different e-mail).
Meantime, I'll be retired in 17 months,
collecting my fattened pension for the rest of
my life thanks to tons of overtime, and bask in
sunny Las Vegas with my paid for house. See
ya! LMAO!
Posts: 9967
Obviously you don't have a clue how the banning works. If we
didn't want you here, you wouldn't be here no matter how
many email addresses you tried. But I wouldn't expect you to
understand that, after all you're just a cop: No education, skill
or talent.
You're bragging because you have a pension and a paid for

house? So does every other semi-successful person in America,
the only difference is that they spent their lives contributing to
society and you spent your worthless life mooching from it.
quote:

I'll simply continue to monitor this website
daily and update my members on all of YOU
and what you say
I'm sure we're all scared. What a dumbass...
See ya, I doubt anybody will miss you. You're not original,
we've seen idiots like you around here before.
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11-30-2006 09:47 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Didn't I say that I am FOR gun ownership?? A
card carrying NRA member.
Yes we know what you said, but we also know you are a cop
and cops are trained, professional liars.
Registered: Jul 2003 Anybody with even half a brain would never believe anything a
Posts: 9967
cop says.
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11-30-2006 09:49 PM
liberranter Obviously this moron is terrified by the prospect that armed,

Super Moderator conscientious citizens who are more numerous than he thought
are not about to roll over and quiver in fear over the verbal
vomit that emanates from cowardly little castrati like him.
*******************************
Dear Area51Spy (a more sophomoric moniker I can't imagine):
You are truly a pathetic, oxygen-thieving excuse for a human

being. God obviously has a sense of humor in endowing a
miscarriage like you with the ability to beg someone else who
Registered: Jun 2005 can read and write to both read the postings of this forum and
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post your incoherent ramblings in reply (a more pathetic, self-
loathing, and useless excuse for a human being who would
deign do this is difficult to imagine).
Normally, neither I nor any other Copwatcher would waste

precious lifeseconds or precious server space responding to
imbecilic drivel such as yours. However, for reasons having to
do solely with entertainment and to set the record straight for
the few LEOs on this forum with higher IQs than yours (i.e.,
those on the positive side of zero), I take a few seconds out to
take you to task.
Still I insist that you PLEASE STICK AROUND and continue to

post. We've had a serious shortage of imbeciles from the LEO
side of late, and your contributions are invaluable for proving to
those members still straddling the fence exactly what sort of
******s they've mistakenly placed their trust in for the defense
of their lives, liberty, and property. So if you're half the
"badass" you portray yourself to be, we know that anything we
post here will simply roll off your back and that you'll continue
to stand up to us misguided copwatchers with both guns
ablazin'.
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12-01-2006 03:14 AM
duncan So why have the copsum refused to answer any of these questions?
Moderator
Are you prepared to die to violate the Oath you took?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Are you going to murder me for having the courage to stand up for
Posts: 9006 the country and the principles in which you believe?
Are you going to go along with unconscionably illegal,

unconstitutional orders, just as the "good" German soldiers followed
their orders?
Are you going to be a peace officer or a jack booted thug?
Are you going to enforce unconstitutional laws?
Are you going to be the private army of fascist dictators

masquerading as democratic representatives?
Or are you going to do your part to recapture America? Are you

going to keep your eyes and ears open?
Will you let me know when the jack booted thugs in the SWAT
teams have targeted me?
Will you let your fellow officers know that they are being sold down
the river by their corrupt masters?
Why do you suppose your leaders lead you to oppose the very
rights you swore to protect?
Why do they want a disarmed public?
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12-05-2006 05:39 PM
liberranter These, unfortunately, are questions that no cop will DARE

Super Moderator answer in this forum, even those who give the impression of
being thoughtful, quasi-intelligent, and willing to work for
change. God knows that you, I, and many others in this forum
have thrown the gauntlet down on many occasions challenging
the cop members of this forum to justify their daily activities as
being compatible with upholding natural law (i.e., the defense
of the rights and property of the citizenry). The fact that not
one of them has responded indicates to me that they are all
well aware that what they do has nothing whatsoever to do
with defending the citizenry's rights and property and
Registered: Jun 2005 everything to do with turning what was once the world's
Location: Tucson, AZ beacon of freedom into a fascist dictatorship.
Posts: 5865
I further conclude that their silence and utter refusal to explain
themselves indicates one of two things:
a) They can offer no defense for what they do and indeed may
even be repelled by it, but feel that they are so dependent on
their welfare check for survival and have so little prospect of
gainful private sector employment if they leave the force that
they are willing to say, do, and put up with anything. In other
words, they've sold their souls. Or...
b) They are proud of the suffering, injustice, violence, and

havoc they create and only wish that they could do more of it,
more openly and violently, on a daily basis (good news,
stormtroopers: the Amoricon public is so apathetic and so
anesthetized to what's going on that very soon, our national
overlords will dispense with any pretense of being a
government of law and the people and will simply shred the
Constitution, allowing you and your fellow thugscum to run
roughshod, at will, over all of the citizenry. Just be patient.).
Perhaps "both of the above" is the correct choice.
I, for one, am growing weary of calls for dialog, debate, and

"understanding." It clearly does no good. For every cop (or,
more accurately, ex-cop) who has seen the light and wishes
dialog and accommodation and to stand up and do the right
thing, there 100,000 others who are hellbent on maintaining the
status quo, or even ratcheting things up a few notches. Trying
to reason with such creatures is akin to explaining differential
calculus to a newborn baby: it's a pointless waste of time and

breath and changes nothing, enlightening no one in the process.
So I'll continue to leave the gauntlet on the ground for any cop
who cares to pick it up. Somehow I have a feeling that my
great-grandchildren will be in nursing homes before that ever
happens, if even then. Or, as GC put it, I stand a better chance
of getting a brick to dance.
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12-06-2006 04:04 PM
duncan These questions have yet to be answered by the Baltimore swine.

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I guess he lied to us. but if you read his posts on the welcome
Registered: Jul 2003 thread I think that you can extract an answer out of them by
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado reading between the lines i.e. forcing his service on us at gun point
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liberranter Exactly. I also refrained from remarking, based on my 11 years

Super Moderator of having lived in the Baltimore Metro area, that if BaltimoreLE
and his fellow cops believe that they are truly "serving" the
citizenry of that city, they've failed at it, miserably ("Bodymore,
Murderland" is still one of the five most dangerous cities in the
nation in which to live).
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xtratabasco Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911

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Why didn't cop helicopters and their crews rescue people stranded
Registered: Jul 2004 on the top to the world trade center towers and hanging out
Location:
Posts: 2869 windows and open gaps before the buildings came down an hour
and a half later?
Who told the cops not to do a rescue that could have easily have
been done?
03-05-2006 04:06 AM

GC Marciano Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911

quote:

Who told the cops not to do a rescue that
could have easily have been done?
Registered: Jul 2003 I'd imagine it was the same group of terrorists that planned,
Location: Chicago, Illinois initiated and executed the attacks: the US Government.
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The plan was to murder as many Americans as possible in order
to instill terror and create the threat of terrorism. It would have
defeated the purpose if they were to rescue the same people
they were trying to slaughter.
It worked, as Americans are now terrified of "terrorism", and

most are actually brainwashed enough to believe that just over
a dozen people armed with simple box cutters brought America
to it's knees.
By creating this terror amongst the American people. they have

effectively scared many into voluntarily giving up their
constitutional rights and freedoms in exchange for a false sense
of security.
People who live in constant fear are much easier to control, and
complete control is the US Governments primary objective.
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03-06-2006 05:55 AM

xtratabasco Re: Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911

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I'd imagine it was the same group of terrorists
that planned, initiated and executed the attacks:
the US Government.
The plan was to murder as many Americans as

possible in order to instill terror and create the
threat of terrorism. It would have defeated the
purpose if they were to rescue the same people
they were trying to slaughter.
It worked, as Americans are now terrified of

"terrorism", and most are actually brainwashed
enough to believe that just over a dozen people
armed with simple box cutters brought America
to it's knees.
By creating this terror amongst the American

people. they have effectively scared many into
voluntarily giving up their constitutional rights
and freedoms in exchange for a false sense of
security.
People who live in constant fear are much easier

to control, and complete control is the US
Governments primary objective.
Yes, we know that, but I still want to know why cops stood down
from any kind of a rescue.
04-30-2006 12:01 AM

Mack Re: Re: Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911
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quote:

Yes, we know that, but I still want to know why
cops stood down from any kind of a rescue.

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a) "Just following orders" (the perpetual excuse for any and all
cowardice and/or wrongdoing.
b) Cowardice.
I don't think they were in whatever loop was being spun.
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04-30-2006 12:09 AM
xtratabasco Re: Re: Re: Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911
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a) "Just following orders" (the perpetual excuse
for any and all cowardice and/or wrongdoing.
b) Cowardice.
I don't think they were in whatever loop was

being spun.

Governor Guliani was quoted as saying these buildings are going to

come down before they did, so it is not like they didnt forsee a
problem.
course guliani was also a block away from the London bombings
when they went off too......what a hero he is
04-30-2006 12:19 AM
Regicide Re: Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911

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Location: Our Town, USA
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The plan was to murder as many Americans as
possible in order to instill terror and create the
threat of terrorism. By creating this terror
amongst the American people. they have
effectively scared many into voluntarily giving up
their constitutional rights and freedoms in
exchange for a false sense of security. People
who live in constant fear are much easier to
control, and complete control is the US
Governments primary objective.
I think there is a lot of truth to this contention.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
Have you read stuff like this?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j100402.html
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...trassID=/has%5C
What about WTC 7? That seems inexplicable if the only objective

was to cow the populace.
What about the insurance interests of Larry Silverstein?
What about Israel’s desire to goad America into fighting Israel’s

wars?
It seems that there were at least three parties whose objectives

were furthered, though all three of them are essentially run by the
same group.

04-30-2006 12:22 AM
xtratabasco Re: Re: Re: Sworn to protect, thats why we call 911
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Location:
Originally posted by Regicide
Posts: 2869
I think there is a lot of truth to this contention.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/
view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
Have you read stuff like this?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j100402.html
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...
trassID=/has%5C
What about WTC 7? That seems inexplicable if the

only objective was to cow the populace.
What about the insurance interests of Larry

Silverstein?
What about Israel’s desire to goad America into

fighting Israel’s wars?
It seems that there were at least three parties

whose objectives were furthered, though all three
of them are essentially run by the same group.
I have posted my question here as well http://s15.invisionfree.com/

Loose_C...?showtopic=3166
kind of off the original thread, but to reply to your post about
silverstein and motive I posted this at the same site. And yes Im
aware that the government story about 911 is a fairy tale so does
my 13 year old daughter, anyone with a working brain should be
able to figure that out, and I have posted dozens of problems with
911 that directly go back to the governents envolvement here.
Surprisingly though some still think some towel heads with box
cutters and IQs lower than a block of cheese and living a block
away from NSA kicked our countries 60 trillion dollar security
system, norad, rummy and rice....so go figure.

we gotta give bush a break cause he was reading stories to little

tykes when it happened.
from http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_C...wtopic=2921&hl=
Now before you censor me, hear me out. And no, I'm not anti-Jew
or anti any religon for that matter, hell, just look at insane Christian
Bush who is ruining this country.
Everytime I research 911 I keep coming up with Jews in key

positions involving 911. We all know the Jews have a vested
interest in the War on Terror for obvious reasons, and 911 was the
reason we went to war in the first place.
We also know that 90% of PNAC are Jews like Paul Wolfowitz,
Richard Perle, William Kristol and good old Mr. Chertoff of
Homeland Security is a dual citizen Jew. Then we got Silverstein the
lease holder, he a Jew and Bush too? http://www.texemarrs.com/
george_w_b...ouble_agent.htm
This article is long but worth the read, pay attention to Mr. Lewis
Eisenberg and Dov Zakheim,.
another government lie about 9-11, building 7

Category: News & Opinion (Specific) Topic: Conspiracy: 9/11 -
Alleged Coverups
Synopsis: World Trade Center 7 was originally meant to implode
simultaneously with the North Tower on 9/11
Source: http://PositionToKnow.com/S-11/doc/...ein_Redux_2.rtf
Published: April 1, 2005 Author: Jeremy Baker
For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use.
If I was a gambling man I’d bet the farm. WTC 7 was originally
meant to collapse a few seconds after the North Tower hit the
ground. Not seven hours later. I can’t think of a single reason that
these guys would want to keep this World Trade Center complex
building intact all day long.
9/11 skeptics, well versed in this esoteric field, know what I’m
talking about. Something went very wrong that day. Some signal
got crossed, maybe there was sabotage from within, we’ll probably
never really know for sure. But if we accept, as most of these fine
researchers, writers and activists do, that the Twin Towers and WTC

7 were finished off with preplanted explosives (the coup de grace in

what was essentially an inside job), then it’s the only scenario that
fits.
Think about it. How would it possibly benefit the perpetrators to

wait hours, until late in the day, to finally push the button on
Building 7? The whole world would be watching. That handy cloud
of powdered debris that enveloped lower Manhattan would be long
gone, your cover all but blown. Why draw out the spectacle any
longer than necessary?
And it explains some things that have always needed explaining.

For instance, we have several photographs of marginal, struggling
fires burning on the 7th and 12th floors of Building 7, ones that,
according to “official” reports, were supposed to have melted the
building and brought it crashing down. But does that scenario really
make any sense at all? Did it ever? Could it be, instead, that these
inconsequential fires in Building 7 provide us with clues about what
was really going on inside? Doesn’t the following scenario make
more sense: when WTC 7 failed to collapse on schedule, the
conspirators scrambled to bring the demolition system back on line.
With their original plan in ruins, they finally made the decision to
set fires in WTC 7 for the same reason they’d been set by the
planes in the towers: to provide a plausible pretext for the
building’s forthcoming demolition.
But the fires, set by desperate men in a tight spot, never quite
caught on the way they should have. But why? If the original plan
had been (for some inexplicable reason) to keep WTC 7 intact all
day long and start fires in the afternoon that could be blamed for
the collapse of the building, wouldn’t they have lit up WTC 7 like a
roman candle to enhance the effect? We know that these guys can
build a serious fire when they apply themselves. We have the
photos of WTC 5 and 6 burning like blast furnaces to prove it. But
the well planned and executed arson in these buildings required
time and resources that the guys in Building 7, working on the sly,
just weren’t able to produce on such short notice, especially when
the building was surrounded by chaos, emergency workers and a
moonscape of destruction. So they threw together what fires they
could using whatever they had on hand and then beat feet for Fleet
Street. The resulting blazes, barely discernable from without, took
hours to grow to the size necessary to sustain the illusion (barely)
that, like the Twin Towers, WTC 7 just couldn’t stand the heat. And
then, late in the day and with lower Manhattan in lockdown, the
Keystone Konspirators finally pulled the plug on 7 at 5:25 PM.
This revealing fact, that fires in Building 7 weren’t even called in

until late in the day (approx. 3 PM), is a glaring 9/11 anomaly
because of how harshly it conflicts with “official” reports that raging
fires were ignited by debris from Tower One’s collapse that
morning. But what kind of “raging” fire takes hours to build to even
a modest size before finally getting “called in” late in the day?

Officials have offered speculations on WTC 7's (and the towers)

unprecedented vulnerability to fire but nothing that’s ever held
water. And this story about the 40,000 gallons of diesel fuel
catching on fire and burning down the house, what nonsense. If
that gas tank became involved there wouldn’t have been a fire,
there would have been an explosion (a big one), and then a fire, a
huge fire. And it’s for this reason that the perps would never have
torched the diesel tank to set their little dummy blaze. That kind of
inferno would damage explosive systems and cause all kinds of
problems. Remember, their goal was the total destruction of the
entire structure as planned, not an unwieldy blaze within. But these
guys knew better and made sure to set their fires well above the
huge diesel tank on ground level.
WTC 7 still on its feet hours after the attacks was problematic in
other ways. The “official” story has always been that the North
Tower’s plummeting debris impacted WTC 7 (which was one full city
block from the North Tower with WTC 6 standing in between) and
ignited a dynamic inferno that caused the 47 story, steel framed
structure to suddenly drop like a stone hours later, a phenomenon
unprecedented in the history of firefighting and one that occurred
not once but three times on September 11th. But Building 7's
longevity undoubtedly increased the likelihood of people noticing
and possibly photographing the obvious lack of damage to Building
7 from the collapse of Tower One. Isn’t it extremely suspicious that
absolutely no photographs of WTC 7's “damaged” face have ever
been released to the public? The building was standing there all day
long. Isn’t it more likely that when WTC 7 didn’t go down on
schedule, Plan B became containment, much like it had been at the
Pentagon (and Oklahoma city for that matter). What few photogs,
film crews or onlookers that penetrated ground zero would have
their materials confiscated for “security purposes.”
But there were also conflicting reports about a man said to have
been the only person to die in the collapse of WTC 7. The US House
of Representatives website posted a tribute to Secret Service
Special Officer Craig Miller whose body was found in the rubble of
Building 7. According to this posting, Officer Miller apparently died
during the “rescue effort” that day. After the Towers were hit,
Building 7 (the Manhattan HQ of the Secret Service) was quickly
evacuated and everyone survived, all except this lone SS guy. Not a
firefighter. Not a rescue worker or a cop. Other accounts record no
fatalities whatsoever in 7. Why the confusion? There was either a
body in the rubble or there wasn’t. Was an autopsy done on this
man?
And who on earth was this SS guy rescuing? WTC 7 had been
evacuated. Are Secret Service officers mandated to rescue people
from (empty) burning buildings? The fires in WTC 7 were burning
on the floors just above and below Secret Service offices on the 9th
and 10th floors. Could this man have played a role in the days
events that got him into trouble? Could he have been an amateur
arsonist who got too close to his fire? The story of Larry Silverstein

claiming to have ‘pulled’ WTC 7 is well known among 9/11

researchers. The only explanation that’s ever been offered in
Silverstein’s defense was that he meant ‘pull’ the firefighters out of
the “dangerously burning” building. But if that were true, why didn’t
this Secret Service guy get the message? But then no nostalgic look
back on WTC 7 (and the Trade Center in general) is complete
without reacquainting ourselves with the inscrutable Manhattan real
estate mogul Larry Silverstein. Sooner or later, history is going to
have to decide how it remembers this guy. With all we’ve learned
about September 11th there are still only a handful of actual,
individual suspects. I’d like to nominate Mr. Silverstein to this elite
fraternity.
World Trade Center 7, or the Solomon Brothers Building, was

owned by Silverstein Properties and had been the headquarters of
his development company, Westfield America, for years. But it also
housed Rudy Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM), a
reinforced, Arab proof control center oddly located at the number
one terrorist target in the country (a baffling choice of locations
considering that the WTC had already been attacked once in 1993).
This incomprehensible (and very “unheroic”) decision proved its
absurdity on 9/11 when, in the midst of an actual emergency,
Giuliani was unable to access his control center for obvious reasons.
WTC 7 also hosted offices of the DoD, the IRS and the SEC, as well
as a handful of private financial institutions. In addition, 7 was the
storage center for millions of files on active cases involving
organized crime, international drug dealing, money laundering and
terrorism, all of which have demonstrable links to US intelligence.
So a New York Times report that Building 7 was also the secret
location of the largest domestic CIA station outside of the District of
Columbia probably shouldn’t come as a surprise. The addition of
“the agency” to this already scintillating list of tenants would appear
to make WTC 7 a kind of nexus for what many researchers consider
to be key entities in this sprawling conspiracy. But the fact that
Larry Silverstein was the CIA’s secret NYC landlord for years is a
point I made sure to jot down too.
Some researchers have made the shocking claim that the OEM was
just a cover for its real purpose, the conspirators attack operations
center (now that would explain the poor choice of locations). This
recently armored facility, high on the 23rd floor, had a bird’s eye
view of the unfolding spectacle, the perfect vantage point from
which to guide the planes to their targets and fine tune the
demolition strategy for the Twin Towers (when to detonate, which
floors to blast first, etc.). But once you’ve cooly orchestrated the
collapse of the safely distant South Tower (murdering hundreds of
fleeing office workers and firefighters) and programmed the
explosives in the North Tower, doesn’t it then make sense to set
the timers, vacate the building, say a Hail Mary and then watch the
North Tower and WTC 7 collapse at the same time, neatly wrapping
up the mornings work? Whatever Giuliani’s control center had been
used for, the evidence would be obliterated, along with years of CIA

secrets, government files and the ghosts of WTC 7.
If this dizzying, Danté-esque spectacle is, in fact, a reality and

does, amazingly, feature “America’s Mayor” in a leading role, what
do we know about Giuliani’s movements at the time? Officially, he
was at a makeshift command post at 75 Barclay Street until just
before the collapses when he claims that he and his staff were
evacuated from the building. He later told Peter Jennings, “We were
told that the WTC was gonna collapse,” a prophetic remark
considering the fact that no steel framed highrise had ever
collapsed due to fire before. But WTC 7 is on Barclay Street, just at
the evacuation perimeter, proving that Giuliani was indeed in the
area at the time. But he was evacuating the area, not setting up
shop in WTC 7 for a hard day of directing traffic from above.
This idea, that the mayor’s command bunker was meant to be used
throughout the day before being demolished, I just don’t see it. The
mayor of New York City (or whomever), orchestrating the aftermath
of 9/11 in the upper floors of a burning building? And what would
he (they) be doing up there? Seems to me that the day’s to-do list
had already been checked off. And for the life of me, I just can’t
imagine that the original plan would ever have included the re-entry
of any of the structures after the devastation that occurred earlier.
There is, in addition, a compelling connection to be made between

the mayor’s OEM and the fires in WTC 7. The lower of the two fires
in WTC 7 was on floor 7, the location of the OEM’s emergency
generators. If the arsonists were indeed OEM men, they would not
only have had access to this floor, they would also have had a
ready supply of accellerant (i.e. gasoline) at their disposal (the
upper fire was on one of 3 floors used by the SEC).
So the mayor (and others) may have had access to his command
bunker after all, but just long enough for it to serve its purposes
that morning. And, as for being told that “the WTC was gonna
collapse,” well, if you already knew this for a fact because you were
gonna make it collapse, it’s as good an excuse as any to cover a
timely exit.
As 9/11 researchers are well aware, Larry Silverstein took over

control of the World Trade Center just a few weeks before the
attacks of 9/11. After ramping up the insurance on the complex (an
act of uncanny foresight considering what was to come) he then set
to work replacing security personnel in a building complex that
hadn’t changed hands in thirty years and had never before been
privately controlled. His 2001 sweetheart deal with the Port
Authority and the City of New York was for a 99 year lease worth
much more than the $3.2 billion he and his firm had contracted for.
And later, when he tried to sue the insurance companies claiming
that two planes means two terrorist attacks, therefore twice the
settlement (bringing the total, in Silverstein’s mind, to $7.2 billion),
the courts cried foul and sent Larry packing (after the attacks, one
WTC insurer sued Silverstein for apparently paying lobbyists to try

to limit his liability to the victims families). Funny, I don’t

remember the headline; “Manhattan Tycoon Exploits National
Tragedy for Personal Gain” appearing anywhere after 9/11.
But the real specter haunting Larry Silverstein involves a growing

body of evidence that Zionist extremists may’ve had a hand in the
attacks of 9/11. There are some who believe that Mossad (Israeli
intelligence) fingerprints are all over the attacks, and I’m not so
sure I disagree. Israel has a well documented history of framing
Arabs for attacks on Americans, a fact that never seemed to make
its way into the mainstream mind in the months after September
11th. And the Zionist fanatics who’ve pulled off this kind of “op” in
the past have a history of tapping the diaspora for talent. And Larry
Silverstein is just their kind of guy.
Ex-president of the United Jewish Appeal (the largest Israeli

fundraiser in the US) and a highly connected supporter of Israel,
Silverstein has strong ties to the Israeli political and business
establishments. His colleague, another UJA leader, Lewis Eisenberg
— former chairman of the Port Authority, finance chairman for the
RNC and former VP of AIPAC (American/Israeli PAC) — negotiated
the deal that put the WTC in Silverstein’s control. Add to this the
many examples of Israeli foreknowledge of and proximity to the
attacks and the plot begins to thicken considerably.
There are a host of disturbing ties between Israeli hardliners and

September 11th (too many to list in detail here) but none more
compelling than the basic issue of motive. It simply cannot be
argued that no single player stood to gain more from the attacks
(or, more accurately, from the response to the attacks) than the
Zionist hardliners who’ve been envisioning a Mideast under their
control for decades. For many years before 9/11, Paul Wolfowitz,
Richard Perle, William Kristol and other powerful, highly placed
American Zionists had advocated for increasingly aggressive US
military actions towards a host of Muslim states. All that was
needed to get the ball rolling was the Pearl Harbor-like event
mentioned so often in their pre-9/11 literature. And it’s working.
Our bludgeoning of Afghanistan and Iraq represent bold steps
towards the fulfillment of the sulphurous neo-con agenda.
Given the fact that Silverstein’s name pops up in many dark corners
of the 9/11 shadow play, is it really unfair to view him as a “person
of interest” in the horrendous crime and coverup of September
11th? And if he was a player in a subterfuge of this magnitude, is it
really such a stretch to imagine that he might have been “in the
room” when the pseudo-hijackings were being planned? And if he
was, might he have suggested tweaking the plan just a little to
include a detour by Flight 175 south? Knowing that the Air Force
would be AWOL that morning, the plane’s scenic side trip would
surely be, at worse, a minor adjustment — but with major
implications. This one, small alteration to the aircraft’s flight plan
would not only result in the planes hitting from opposite directions,
it would also increase the length of time between the first and

second hits. And these two points combined might go a long way to
supporting Silverstein’s claim of two separate terrorist events.
It’s a matter of record. Flight 175 (the second plane to strike the
WTC) came barreling out of the north, flew south far past
Manhattan before circling back towards the city, a peculiar deviation
that took the plane a good fifteen minutes or so out of its way. This
odd, time wasting and risky maneuver has never been explained.
Certainly the “hijackers” wouldn’t have thought it was a good idea.
Wouldn’t they want to secure the objective ASAP before the fighter
jets showed up? It just doesn’t compute. But there’s one man who
might’ve done very well by this short trip south if only his fortunes
had unfolded according to plan in the courtroom. And all Silverstein
had to do was give Dov Zakheim a call.
With close ties to the Israeli government and reported duel Israeli/
American citizenship, Bush’s Texas buddy and undersecretary of
state, Dov Zakheim, boasts a long list of impressive credentials. Ex-
DoD CFO (chief financial officer), Zakheim joined the Pentagon staff
in May, 2001, shortly before the attacks and at a time when the
Pentagon couldn’t account for $3 trillion in spending. A longtime
DoD consultant and neo-con insider, he’s also a senior figure at the
Heritage Foundation, the Center for International and Strategic
Studies and the Center for Security Policy — not to mention the
Council on Foreign Relations and the PNAC. But before his Pentagon
gig, he was also VP of Systems Planning Corporation and CEO of
one of its subsidiaries. SPC is a high-tech outfit that specializes in,
among other things, the remote control commandeering of aircraft
and the technical support required for live flight military exercises.
This bizarre but entirely viable theory, that some or all of the
“hijacked” passenger jets on 9/11 had been remotely
commandeered and guided to their targets, has been (despite its
Buck Rogers kind of aspect) a key speculation among the very best
9/11 researchers. This technology has been with us for decades and
Zakheim’s SPC specializes in it. SPC’s Flight Termination System is
a fully programmable tool to retrieve aircraft remotely. But this
technology is also a key element in the kind of live flight war games
the military was conveniently conducting on 9/11. These cold war
drills in Northern Canada and Alaska drew interceptors away fron
the Northeast US and, using false radar blips, effectively paralyzed
defenders who might otherwise have reached their targets. But it
also eliminated the need for a peculiar and very risky general
“stand down” order from Pentagon brass during the attacks, a
command that would create disbelief and suspicion among
hundreds of patriotic military people.
A couple of years ago, PBS aired a program entitled “America

Rebuilds,” a documentary detailing the cleanup effort at ground
zero. The comments Larry Silverstein made in an interview in this
program have become a “point of interest” among 9/11 researchers
and I’ve enjoyed watching this story steadily gain a following.
Specifically, he described being on the phone with the FDNY

commander and coming to the conclusion that there had “been

such terrible loss of life maybe the smartest thing to do is, is ‘pull’
it,” (referring to WTC 7). Then, according to Silverstein, “they made
that decision to ‘pull’ and we watched the building collapse” (the
same documentary quotes a demo worker: “well, we’re getting
ready to ‘pull’ building 6" moments before demolishing its burnt out
carcass, a comment that would appear to support the meaning of
the industry term ‘pull’).
Many have asked how he could possibly have been so careless as to

make such an admission publicly. But what if circumstances
compelled him to do so? What if his comments were a discrete
response to growing suspicions surrounding the botched attempt to
‘pull’ WTC 7 earlier in the day? The powers-that-be have brazenly
used PBS programming to spin other aspects of 9/11. The NOVA
program that espoused the theory of the “pancaking” of the Twin
Tower’s floors is infamous in the 9/11 skeptics community. PBS
programs relating to 9/11 typically feature “experts” who
unanimously support the party line. I remember one such
“authority” solemnly offering his professional opinion that the paper
we saw falling like confetti as the WTC burned undoubtedly
contributed to the raging fires within and played a significant role in
the collapse of the towers!
With WTC 7's obvious demolition caught on film from at least three
excellent perspectives, it’s an understatement to say that
Silverstein and his cohorts had a big problem on their hands. Could
it be that his comments about ‘pulling’ WTC 7 were a carefully
choreographed “hang out” of the issue? Using Karl Rove-like sleight
of hand, he offers a vague accounting of the anomaly delivered to
us on an almost subconscious level. I’ve watched that video clip
hundreds of times and to this day I hear only one thing: that he
and his people made the decision to demolish WTC 7 citing the
“terrible loss of life” suffered earlier that day. His body language,
his wording, his tone, all seem to point to this one terrible
conclusion. Paradoxically, his comments may have been intended to
steer us in the exact opposite direction: that, despite how it may
have appeared, heroes in high places stepped up and made the
tough choices.
The expression ‘pull’ relates to the word ‘demolition’ the same way
that the expression ‘wind up’ relates to the word ‘pitch.’ In both
cases they represent one event occurring in two stages. In this
sense, Silverstein’s use of the word ‘pull’ to mean ‘demolition’
seems clear and may also have served to cover the sudden and
suspicious evacuation of rescue personnel from the disaster zone
shortly before WTC 7's bizarre suicide — a necessity when you’re
about to demolish a building. A photographer on the scene
described the evacuation of firefighters as they “prepared for the
collapse of Building 7...I was 150 yards away when I saw the
firefighters raising the flag.” Excuse me? Steel framed highrises
don’t collapse! Firemen, knowing this to be true, typically approach
steelframed buildings (just like they did the towers that morning),

especially if the structures are only marginally involved. Isn’t it

highly suspicious that the firefighters seemingly just gave up on this
exceedingly important and valuable government building that had
only modest fires burning within? Doesn’t this fact support the
theory that WTC 7 was essentially a crime scene that needed to be
destroyed?
This man’s statement (which, by the way, proves that

photographers weren’t barred from the scene and could very well
have produced images of WTC 7's “debris damage”) describes the
behavior of workers who were evacuating a building that was about
to be demolished, not trained emergency workers worried about
something that never happens. Silverstein’s remarks replace this
problematic scenario with the tall tale of wise (and clairvoyant)
public servants acting in the nick of time to save lives (not scatter
potential witnesses). Either way Mr. Silverstein has some explaining
to do.
The plan to obscure WTC 7's implosion with the billowing dust cloud
created by the collapse of Tower One is too good an idea for these
guys not to have considered. And it would have worked like a
charm. The flattened 32 story Marriott Vista hotel (or WTC 3),
nestled snugly between the towers, is long forgotten in a world that
barely remembers the life and times of Building 7. If WTC 7 being
‘pulled’ when it was mostly hidden from view (and as chaos reigned
on the streets below) wasn’t the original plan, it should’ve been.
And considering all the hubbub created by its remaining intact, it
makes sense that this was indeed the original idea.
The unintended survival of WTC 7, shortlived though it was, has

proven itself to be a gift from providence to the good people of the
world on a day when it seemed as though providence had
abandoned us. Those of us who know that 9/11 was conceived,
written and directed by, well, the usual suspects, find, in Building 7
and it’s dark pedigree, the Achilles heel in the “official” fairy tale
sold us in the wake of the most vile deception history has ever
recorded. Let’s hope we make the most of this gift.
If you can judge the substance of a new paradigm by how

thoroughly it displaces an old one, than maybe we’re onto
something here. Since this possibility occurred to me, I simply
cannot remember the WTC disaster the way I used to; that for
some inexplicable reason Building 7 just lingered for hours after the
attacks before they finally ‘pulled’ it. And after years of sifting
through this material and scrutinizing 9/11, I will never again see
WTC 7 as anything other than what it surely was. A dud. An epic,
47 story, steel-belted dud that, later that day, blew up in Larry
Silverstein’s hand.
Copyright 2005 Darkprints
For a video of Silverstein’s comments about ‘pulling’ WTC 7, go to:

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm

To see three excellent videos of WTC 7 imploding, go to: http://

www.wtc7.net/videos.html
04-30-2006 12:30 AM
Regicide Seems very plausible to me. In the days after we invaded Iraq, I
Senior Member actually made a large posterboard sign that said: NO WAR FOR OIL
ISRAEL! except the word 'oil' had a line drawn through it.
Location: Our Town, USA The damn liberals were convinced that it was a war for oil.
Posts: 298 Honestly, I'd almost support going to war for oil.
I'd NEVER support going to war for Israel.
Or any of the other stupid reasons advanced by Bush and NeoCo:

to bring democracy to Iraq, to help the oppressed Iraqi women who
want to walk around without veils, to punish Saddam for gassing
"his own people", or to get the WMDs.
04-30-2006 12:53 AM
myjusticequest HELP! I go see cops in 3 hours. Need answer...anyone? It's a Q for a

Member
cop I think.
First there was the Good Samaritan Law...where the Gov't declared
it immoral, and thus illegal, to ignore a person in peril, and plain
criminal if they later die. So if I'm driving down the road with the
tunes cranked up, maybe glance away for a sec to push the Scan
button or change CD's or whatever, and I pass a dying person I
don't even see...then they die at an E.R. later, and the ER doc
happens to remember the hot chick in the red Porsche driving by,
reports me to the police because...why? how? Um...I'd have to
guess it could be: the doc hit on me and got rejected, thought he
Registered: May 2006 could "get even" by "turning me in" and saying I totally saw that
Location: Kailua-Kona, Hawaii old lady croaking on the curb and just blew her off because I'm so
(Big Island) cold. Why else would he waste his time?
Posts: 82
Ah! Perhaps...it has to do with...buck passing?? Ok, rewind...
Hot chick drives by old bag croaking on curb, doesn't see her cuz
hot chick's long red hair is blown in her face by the wind cuz her
top's down (the car's top ). Old bag croaks, hot chick breaks fake
nail. Old bag gets to ER in body bag; hot chick gets to ER and asks
for crazy glue. Someone recognized her from driving by the old bag
in a red blur, tells someone in the ER. Now, the hospital's incurred
expenses to bury the old bag (without the body bag...she gets a
box). The hospital isn't responsible for the old bag's costs of either

being saved or being buried, so they pass the buck to the State (of
Confusion). The State gets really confused and forwards the bill to
Uncle Sam, since Sam is supposed to be the richest entity on earth
except Oprah and Kuwait. But Sam it seems is short handed for
he's been funneling federal funds from the Bag Burying and Afterlife
Assurance Association to the retirement funds of the thousands of
retired politicians (or their surviving spouses) who are on the dole
for life and then some. So, Sam has to pass the bill somewhere else
for the buck to bury the old bag. Hmmm...where on Earth can Sam
turn??? Oprah? Not likely. She's actually be kryogenically frozen
and will never be an old bag or need help from the Bag Burying &
Afterlife Assoc. Kuwait? Tempting, thinks Sam, but no Kuwaite
CARES about burying our old bags, just buying bombs, so that's
out. Ok...think harder...Sam's head may bust, so he turns over this
burning question to...CONGRESS! Well, Congress knows to shift a
buck back to the bag burying fund will shift a buck OUT of their own
Freebies and Fun Forever Fund, so they put their master minds
together becaaaauuse iiiit's Tiiime TO PASS THAT BUCK!
Gerald Genious gets a great idea..."Why don't we make all those

taxpayers out there pay to bury the old bags when they bite the
bullet? Sure...whenever someone's really old and comes to a
hospital, have the hospital put them out in the street with a bottle
of booze and a blanket until they kick the bucket. As soon as the
old bag bites it, one of our guys, who 'just happens to be there', will
witness that some shmuck taxpayer -- whoever REALLY just
happens to be there -- saw the old bag barfing and bleeding...and
DID NOTHING! How COULD s/he?!? We'll pass the buck by
pretending we'll prosecute the passerby for the pathetic display of
pitilessness towards poor people, but we'll agree to let the
taxpaying passerby pay or plea -- s/he can escape prosecution for
their obvious lack of moral character by burying the old bag with
their own buck!"
"Genius", cried another congressional cronie, and so the Good Sam

(aritan) Law was born.
Okay, that's a joke...but really. How does anybody KNOW, for

SURE, that Joe Blow callously ignored a dying person and didn't just
blow by in a BMW and totally miss it, by accident?
Okay, I digress... Here's my question: When those 4 cops broke

into my house and beat me up, but didn't charge me, but arrested
me to take me to the ER...it was one big cop who broke the door
down, assaulted me, and carried me out to their van like a stuck
*** causing my injuries. However, the other 3 cops literally stood
around me in an almost-circle, just watching and laughing and
making rude comments. Three cops allowed a fourth cop, about
6'3" and 285 pounds of pure Hawaiian muscle, to throw me on the
floor, kick me in the back and knock my wind out, shove my face
into the tile floor again, etc. ... they KNEW he was seriously hurting
me, and they KNEW there was no "knock and announce", and that I
wasn't allowed to answer the bedroom door before he broke it

down, and the KNEW I'd broken no laws, committed no crimes, had
no warrants, etc.
IF JOE TAXPAYER PASSERBY CAN BE JAILED/FINED FOR NOT

STOPPING SOMEONE FROM GETTING HURT BY ANOTHER, OR FROM
DYING OR COMMITTING SUICIDE...WHATEVER...HOW IS IT THREE
COPS WHO STOOD AND WATCHED WHAT THEY KNEW DAMNED
WELL WAS A VISCIOUS AND UNWARRANTED BEATING OF AN
INNOCENT PERSON BY A COP WHO OBVIOUSLY NEEDS A VERY
LONG VACATION, HOW COME THE COPS AREN'T CRIMINALLY
LIABLE FOR NOT COMING TO THE AID OF A PERSON IN NEED AND
IN DANGER???!!!!????? I'm asking, cuz if on a long shot the cops
WOULD be criminally liable for basically enabling a huge man to
criminally assault a small, unarmed, innocent woman, I'll add that
charge to my list.
I go see Capt. Kealoha and whatever Sgt he assigns to take my

complaint THIS MORNING AT NINE, so I leave here in just over 3
hours. If anyone is reading, gets this, and knows, please advise. I
doubt cops can be prosecuted for openly allowing and encouraging
violence against women by huge men, but if they can, I'll try to
charge the yellow rat bastards for just standing there almost
cheering him on. Now I know a bit of how a guy in a barroom ball
must feel when the whole bar just watches him get pool cues
busted over his neck and beer bottles over his head, doing nothing.
Mahalo plenny,
Jules
06-22-2006 01:23 PM
GC Marciano TAKE WITNESSES WITH YOU.

Do not allow them to build a false sense of trust with you, you
are dealing with dangerous thugs who only care about netting
an arrest. If they can pin a charge on you, they will - even if
they have to fabricate one.
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06-22-2006 01:35 PM
myjusticequest Feel pretty good about the meeting w/the Sgt today, filing assault chg
Member against cop
Well, it's over. It went pretty well. Captain came out, late, all
apologetic. I told him no need to explain how busy he is to me, I
know they're understaffed. Sgt arrived a little later.
I gave him my prepared statement and backup docs. 26 pages. He

read the statement of what happened first. I felt really good when I
heard the Sgt mumble very lowly under his breath, "oh, my God". I
think something in my statement (written, so I couldn't mess it up
and didn't have to say a word) got his attention. He went through
all my evidence, got contact info for the witnesses that everybody
Location: Kailua-Kona, Hawaii else has ignored, had me fill out medical releases for when the cops
(Big Island) dumped me at the E.R. and also the trip to the orthopedist for the
Posts: 82 torn shoulder cuff.
He was polite, respectful, but not nice. That was okay. If he'd have
been nice I'd have suspected bad motives. He became more sober
and stoic the more of my file he went through. He asked me some
serious questions to see if he could discredit my evidence in any
way, and got even more stoic when he realized my evidence is
solid, as are the witnesses (all of which are ommitted from the
battering cop's Incident Report.
When I left I picked up a report I'd ordered...a copy of the Incident

Report that I've been denied for 10 months (I'm learning how to
finagle info and docs out of these guys when they're not looking).
It's so incomplete it's ridiculous, but worse (though not
unexpected), the cop's only statement of what happened is 3
sentences long and doesn't say anything that happened except I
was taken to the E.R. The idiot wrote that they'd responded to "a
frantic (or was it raving?) woman, found me, I was saying I was
going to kill myself (I'm SOOOOO not suicidal!!!), and so I was
taken to the ER for emergency care.
All the details about the assault are missing, as are the names of
the other cops. The cop's arrival time is right, same time I've been
saying all along...but his "end" time is and hour earlier than it was.
That is, he said they got to my house at 11:30, the whole thing was
over by 11:48 am. However, I didn't get to the ER until 12:45 am.
What was this cop DOING during that hour? BEATING ME UP!!!! He
did everything wrong that he could have without ..trying. He's set
me up for a gold medal, I think. I have so much evidence proving
my version of what happened, and he hasn't got buttkiss.

Also, the major and captain, and this one seargant, were clearly,
genuinely, surprised to learn that my story of that trespass/
break&enter/assault/unlawful arrest is true, and that the rogue
cops really have been hiding the facts from superiors.
This doesn't mean much, but it's my first crack in the arctic ice
shelf we call The Blue Shield. The prosecutor said he wants the
matter sent to detectives on the other side of the island, so they
don't know any of the accused. Also, I'm taking the prosecutor a
copy of the entire file in a few days, so he sees NOW how
absolutely winnable this case is to prosecute. Just the evidence I
have now controverts all the rogue cops' stories and establishes the
fact that the trespass and assault happened.
The rogues may be able to mitigate the damage some just cuz they
are cops, but it's too late -- can't be swept under the rug. The cat's
out the bag, or pandora's out of the box...bottom line, they can't
hide, deny, destroy or refute the evidence I have. It'll be up to a
jury to decide how much weight to give each side, but I WILL get to
tell my side publicly...eventually. I'm confident of it.
It's like your mom walking into the kitchen and you're up on the
counter with your back to the cookie cupboard. You hid the cookie
in your pocket, but there are crumbs everywhere. And your older
sister was trying out her new camera and caught you on film with
your hand in the cookie jar, and your little brother saw you actually
EATING the cookies (which you wouldn't share, so he's miffed, so
he's going to tell mom). And sis wants to show mom how great her
pictures came out. DUDE, YOU'RE SOOOO BUSTED!
You might be able to argue you only ate one cookie (vs. 8), and it
was the first time, and...bla bla bla. But you're busted. So are these
cops. For the prosecutor to decline to prosecute this case would be
like the mother walking out and telling the boy she knows he didn't
really eat the cookies while she gazes at the photos and li'l brother
keeps saying, "Mom, HE ate 8 cookies! How come I don't get any?"
Also, the prosecutor could face conspiracy to obstruct justice

charges if his failure to prosecute the obviously prosecutable has an
appearance of impropriety, so I doubt he'll blow it off casually.
It's a start, anyway. More progress today than in 11 months.
See ya later,
Jules
06-23-2006 01:31 AM

xtratabasco Re: Feel pretty good about the meeting w/the Sgt today, filing assault
Senior Member chg against cop
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Originally posted by konajewel
It's a start, anyway. More progress today than in

11 months.
See ya later,
Jules
nice......
dont forget the civil suit. and remember most states have caps of
insurance of about 300k, If you take it you will probably have to
pay legal fees and taxes.
if you sue for more than 300k and win they pay all legal fees, if you
settle then the lawyer gets his share and the tax man too.
and dont forget, it may take 10 or more years.
but you have done great. dont give up.
06-23-2006 01:37 AM
GC Marciano Excellent! Glad to hear it went well.

Keep us posted as to any further developments.
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06-23-2006 01:41 AM
myjusticequest I won't forget the civil end...hard part is finding a good attorney in
Member Hawaii, especially in KONA, who'll work on commission. One thing
at a time. I'm pooped today. Was up most of the night editting my
written statement, adding all that junk about how the incident
"made me feel". It turned into quite a heart-string tugger. I like
words. They're mightier than any dumb, oversized cop's billy club
(although they don't break bones).
If I do the civil suit one day, it won't be about the money. It'll be
about punishing the *****s and trying to deter them from staying
on their beatin' path.

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Neonic wow...
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Registered: Nov 2006 building is not a good thing. The heat changes the way things react
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risk a 5 million dollar helicopter and a pilot and crew, but chances
are only more people will end up dead.
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So I went to McDonalds the other day and saw two cop cars
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outfront, one was parked in a parking spot the other was parked
Posts: N/A next to it in the "Fire Lane" .... When I went inside they both were
sitting down eatting lunch.
Now can that one cop legally park in the firelane? What if it was just
a regular car in the "fire lane" parked?
06-17-2006 11:47 AM

Rylan In which state did you witness this? I remember reading not too
Senior Member long ago about a Florida Highway Patrol officer caught on camera
parking in an emergency lane. Most cops are corrupt and won't
Registered: May 2006 write other cops tickets for moving violations, so they definitely
Location: won't write another cop a parking ticket.
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yourself and others? Does the thought of intimidating, arresting, and possibly
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Boost your self-esteem by becoming a certified tool and revenue generator for
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The term "professional" is now devoid of any meaning. Thanks cops.
06-17-2006 01:32 PM
mr.b California vehicle code

Senior Member
In California cops have to obey all traffic laws and ord. like
everyone else and only in emergency calls can they brake certain
laws and even then they have to drive with due regard. We all know
how the swine drive all time!!!!
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06-17-2006 06:27 PM
liberranter While I don't know what state you reside in, my guess is that
Super Moderator regardless of what the law says, the porkos will violate it at will
and no one will call them on it or see them punished for
violating it.
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06-17-2006 06:30 PM
GC Marciano This is why it's good to carry a camera in your car... when you
Copwatcher Extraordinaire see a cop violating the law as this one was, snap a photo of his
vehicle and post it here on Copwatch.
Expose these hypocritical bastards every chance you get.
If you don't want to post a photo under your own name for fear
of retribution, send it to a moderator and it will be posted for
the world to see.
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07-17-2006 09:18 AM

SJ01 Personally, I want them to know who I am. I want them to know
Senior Member that I'm not afraid of them.
The cops already managed to use legal hassles to remove one of

my best videos from the internet, but I just put a new version up,
without the "copyrighted" material (Which, for some odd reason,
has been all over the news and internet and never questioned--until
it was used in a way that doesn't glorify the police). Never give up,
never surrender.
If the cops come and beat the crap out of me, then I'll sue them. I
don't mind not winning (aside from the fact that I'll get no money
Location: ), I'll still be able to put a dent in the police credibility with
Posts: 126 something like that.
And if they kill me....then I'll have died for a good cause.
Come and get me, ***gers!
07-20-2006 05:09 PM
Mack I like your attitude, SJ. If only more Americans were willing to go
Assistant Moderator even half as far as you, we'd be immeasurably better off.
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07-20-2006 05:13 PM

OfcrJ Re: Cop parked illegally?

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quote:
Location: Chicagoland Area
Originally posted by stephane portha
Posts: 13
So I went to McDonalds the other day and saw
two cop cars outfront, one was parked in a
parking spot the other was parked next to it in
the "Fire Lane" .... When I went inside they both
were sitting down eatting lunch.
Now can that one cop legally park in the firelane?

What if it was just a regular car in the "fire lane"
parked?
Many states have exemptions to parking, stopping, or standing laws

for emergency vehicles. In Illinois the law reads: (under 625 ILCS)
(c) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle may:

1. Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of this Chapter;
2. Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign, but only after
slowing down as may be required and necessary for safe operation;
3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he does not
endanger life or property;
4. Disregard regulations governing direction of movement or
turning in specified directions.
In the law there is no mention of the intent of the vehicle operator...

in other words, he/she does not have to be responding to an
emergency or other call for service in order to be exempt from
some of the vehicle code provisions.
10-18-2006 02:33 AM
liberranter Re: Re: Cop parked illegally?

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by OfcrJ

In the law there is no mention of the intent of
the vehicle operator...in other words, he/she
does not have to be responding to an
emergency or other call for service in order to
be exempt from some of the vehicle code
provisions.

Posts: 5865
Herein lies the problem. There would probably be few, if any

objections to cops violating traffic laws if, and only if, such
action was clearly and demonstrably in response to an
emergency situation. It's the fact that cops violate these laws
for no reason other than the fact that they can that drives
citizens to rage.
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10-18-2006 02:47 AM
OfcrJ Re: Re: Re: Cop parked illegally?

Junior Member
quote:
Location: Chicagoland Area
Posts: 13
Herein lies the problem. There would probably be
few, if any objections to cops violating traffic
laws if, and only if, such action was clearly and
demonstrably in response to an emergency
situation. It's the fact that cops violate these laws
for no reason other than the fact that they can
that drives citizens to rage.
The legislative intent of the law is clearly to provide an exemption

for emergency vehicles in the course of doing business. I believe it
is purposely vague to allow more discretion on the part of the
vehicle operator. The officer who is abusing this exemption by
parking in a fire lane to eat is obviously displaying poor judgment.

Unless he/she works for a "lower-end" agency a simple photograph

and letter sent to the administration should preclude the same
officer from repeating his/her behavior.
10-18-2006 03:12 AM
mr.b
Senior Member
Well ofcj in California everyone has TO the follow the rules of the
road including porkos. Only in an emergency can porkos violate
certain traffic laws and even then have to drive safely. In the
California VC only fire personnel can park infront of a fire hydrant.
The local High School designated a stall for the local porko who
works at the school "law enforcement only" because of my
Registered: Oct 2005 complaint. AND THIS COP IS STILL PISSED AT ME BUT ITS OK
Location: CALIFORNIA BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
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10-18-2006 02:55 PM
OfcrJ quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Oct 2006 Well ofcj in California everyone has TO the follow
Location: Chicagoland Area the rules of the road including porkos. Only in an
Posts: 13 emergency can porkos violate certain traffic laws
and even then have to drive safely. In the
California VC only fire personnel can park infront
of a fire hydrant. The local High School
designated a stall for the local porko who works
at the school "law enforcement only" because of
my complaint. AND THIS COP IS STILL PISSED AT
ME BUT ITS OK BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
I don't know why he is still pissed. Obviously he should have

figured somebody would have not liked him parking in front of a fire
hydrant, especially if he is inside the school all day. The school gave
him a parking spot out of the deal and citizen complaints are a dime
a dozen...part of doing business, so I don't get why he is still upset.

10-18-2006 03:12 PM
GC Marciano quote:
I don't know why he is still pissed. Obviously
he should have figured somebody would have
not liked him parking in front of a fire hydrant,
especially if he is inside the school all day.
He's pissed because somebody dared to report him to his

superiors instead of kissing his worthless ass and allowing him
Posts: 9967 to do whatever he wants without regard to the law.
Typical cop.
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10-18-2006 04:56 PM
mr.b Thanks GC505, you beat me to the punch. So ofcJ complaints are a
Senior Member dime a dozen. Part of doing business is to treat people with respect
and dignity, not trying to see who gets the most complaints. But
like GC505 said "Typical Cop" thinking you are above the law and
could give a crap about what citizens who pays your wages think.
This was not the first time this officer did this and has been going
on for years until I came along. You see people are tired of officers
breaking the same laws they enforce and we are fighting back. I
Registered: Oct 2005 would love to see you file, how many complaints have you racked
Posts: 1072
up. I guess you are not going anywhere.
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10-18-2006 05:40 PM
OfcrJ quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Oct 2006 Thanks GC505, you beat me to the punch. So ofcJ
Location: Chicagoland Area complaints are a dime a dozen. Part of doing
Posts: 13 business is to treat people with respect and
dignity, not trying to see who gets the most
complaints. But like GC505 said "Typical Cop"
thinking you are above the law and could give a
crap about what citizens who pays your wages
think. This was not the first time this officer did
this and has been going on for years until I came
along. You see people are tired of officers
breaking the same laws they enforce and we are
fighting back. I would love to see you file, how
many complaints have you racked up. I guess you
are not going anywhere.
Treating people with respect and dignity does not stop the
complaints from rolling in. The reason I say they are a dime a
dozen is because there is always somebody unhappy with whatever
decision the officer makes...so, they file a complaint. It is the same
thing with lawsuits; anybody can file one, but it is nothing for a cop
to get worked up over if he/she did the right thing to begin with. In
fact, usually they are worth a few thousand dollars in overtime for
court appearances for the cop. If a cop gets worked up over
complaints/lawsuits then maybe it is time to switch jobs because
they are just a fact of modern life. This is why every officer should
already be prepared and have a prepaid legal plan to deal with civil
action...the FOP offers a great plan for a very reasonable price.
I never said anything about being above the law, in fact, I stated
the officer parked in front of the hydrant should have expected
somebody to complain. Your complaint obviously made an impact
as he doesn't park there anymore.
As far as caring what citizens "who pay my wages" think I guess it

boils down to the old adage, "Opinions are like @ssholes, we all
have one." You either agree with them or don't agree with them. If
a citizen doesn't agree with a police action that is otherwise
reasonable the fact he/she is a taxpayer and therefore contributes
in part to the officer's salary is irrelevant.

10-26-2006 03:51 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
As far as caring what citizens "who pay my
wages" think I guess it boils down to the old
adage, "Opinions are like @ssholes, we all
have one." You either agree with them or
don't agree with them. If a citizen doesn't
agree with a police action that is otherwise
reasonable the fact he/she is a taxpayer and
therefore contributes in part to the officer's
salary is irrelevant.
Posts: 5865
Once again, another example of the typical cop's attitude

toward citizens and their concerns, and the major reason why
this forum exists.
I'm only surprised that it took you this long to voice it.
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10-26-2006 04:31 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Treating people with respect and dignity does
not stop the complaints from rolling in.
How would you know? It's never been tried.
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10-26-2006 05:17 PM
OfcrJ quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Oct 2006 Once again, another example of the typical cop's
Location: Chicagoland Area attitude toward citizens and their concerns, and
Posts: 13 the major reason why this forum exists.
I'm only surprised that it took you this long to

voice it.
If an action is reasonable from a legal sense and a citizen voices

displeasure with the outcome that is his/her right, however, this
does not mean the course of action is going to change simply to
appease a concern or opinion. A good officer should assess the
totality of the circumstances and base his/her enforcement decision
on facts. Of course, the human element can never be completely
removed from the equation as feelings influence behavior.
I personally think citizens should all be treated with dignity and

respect. This does not mean that an officer needs to be a doormat.

Although it is the right of any citizen to use vulgarities/name calling

when addressing an officer it does not mean the officer needs to
continue the conversation. Generally, I find people to be much
more willing to accept whatever enforcement action is forthcoming
if treated respectfully. Of course, there is always going to be those
citizens who think they are right no matter what...just like some
cops do.
10-26-2006 07:02 PM
liberranter Originally posted by OfcrJ

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If an action is reasonable from a legal sense and a citizen
voices displeasure with the outcome that is his/her right,
however, this does not mean the course of action is going
to change simply to appease a concern or opinion.
But that's not the point of contention behind this thread. The
point has been that a certain cop chose to routinely park in
front of a fire hydrant in a school zone clearly without a valid
legal or emergency-driven reason for doing so.
Registered: Jun 2005 True, as Mr. B. pointed out, it was Mr. B's loud and persistant
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complaining to higher authority that, miraculously (and
probably for the first, last and only time, led to the officer being
reprimanded (or some form of mild discipline), leading him to
modify his behavior to accord with the rule of law. In this
particular instance we have a rare example of the system
actually working to uphold the concept of consistency and
equality under the law.
What we citizens complain about so routinely and so

vociferously is when cops pull out the "I made a judgment call
and stand by it" line at times when there is very clearly no basis
for such a statement. I have no doubt that the cop who parked
every day in front of the school hydrant in Reedley (the one
who Mr. B. managed to to compel to end this flouting of traffic
law) thought that he was "exercising a judgment call" in so
parking, despite the obvious fact that he either:
1) was too lazy to park his squad car in an authorized spot and
walk his lazy ass the few dozen extra yards required to reach
his place of work, or
2) wanted to send a message to the faculty and students of the

public school unfortunate enough to be "graced" with his
presence that he was the law as far as they were concerned,
and that if he wanted to park his squad car in front of a
hydrant, who was going to tell him otherwise?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is no conceivable

scenario I or any other reasonable person can think of in which

a cop would ever need to park in front of a hydrant, even in an
emergency situation.
A good officer should assess the totality of the

circumstances and base his/her enforcement decision on
facts. Of course, the human element can never be
completely removed from the equation as feelings
influence behavior.
Yes, and as I just stated, a reasonable person could not, in the

situation described above, justify the act of parking in front of a
hydrant. Therefore, applying the "reasonable person" standard
taught in first-year law courses, there would be no reasonable
basis for an officer to take the course of action that he did, and
therefore no basis on which to justify it. Yet that is EXACTLY
what a seeming majority of cops do on a daily basis.
I personally think citizens should all be treated with

dignity and respect. This does not mean that an officer
needs to be a doormat.
I don't think you'll find that MOST copwatchers on this site feel
that way. While I don't presume to speak for everyone, I have
to believe that most of us live by the Golden Rule. Respect me,
and I will do the same to you.
Although it is the right of any citizen to use vulgarities/

name calling when addressing an officer it does not mean
the officer needs to continue the conversation. Generally,
I find people to be much more willing to accept whatever
enforcement action is forthcoming if treated respectfully.
Of course, there is always going to be those citizens who
think they are right no matter what...just like some cops
do.
The problem with this argument is that citizens have no choice

BUT to "accept what ever enforcement actions is forthcoming",
no matter how transparently and obviously wrong that
"enforcement action" may be. The relationship between cop and
citizen is almost always disadvantageous to the citizen, even in
instances where the cop is CLEARLY in the wrong. As has been
stated frequently by other copwatchers in this forum, it is NOT
"respect" with which citizens appear to "accept" "law
enforcement actions"; it is fear for their safety. This forum is
replete with documented examples of how hundreds, if not
thousands of citizens every day are mistreated by cops "basing
[their] enforcement actions" on "facts" (or so they will claim)
which are nothing but raw, lawless brutality.
While it may seem a giant leap from one lone cop flouting a
minor traffic law to beating up a kid in lock-up who tries to hold
the cop accountable for his behavior, the sense of
empowerment unleashed by the ability to flout one law without

being held accountable frequently leads to a complete

disrespect, if not outright contempt, for the law and citizenry as
a whole. THIS is what members of this forum are most trying to
prevent.
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nocode quote:
Member
Herein lies the problem. There would probably be few,
Registered: Nov 2006 if any objections to cops violating traffic laws if, and
Location: only if, such action was clearly and demonstrably in
Posts: 35 response to an emergency situation. It's the fact that
cops violate these laws for no reason other than the
fact that they can that drives citizens to rage.
Clearly designated fire/emergency lanes are reserved for

emergency vehicles, in accordance with applicable local/state
statutes. However, if I pulled into any restaurant or store and saw a
police officer, sitting down eating, parked in a fire lane, I think I
would lose it, i.e. be driven to rage!!!!!!
I would definitely report the situation, because that particular

officer lacks the respect it is incumbent upon him to have, with
regard to citizens and laws!
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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by nocode
I would definitely report the situation
Clearly designated fire/emergency lanes are reserved for

emergency vehicles involved in an emergency. Stuffing ones
face at the local greasy spoon is far from an emergency, so why
wouldn't you ticket the driver and have the vehicle towed as
you would with any other driver?
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Is there a double standard that applies when dealing with other
cops who violate the law?
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nocode No, but ticketing the driver and having the vehicle towed would
Member ultimately cost the tax-payers...I say just fire the officer.
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who can't do him any good, and 2) How he treats people who can't
fight back."
11-06-2006 11:16 PM
GC Marciano I agree, fire the officer. But we both know that won't happen.
Copwatcher Extraordinaire The only thing that will happen as a result of any complaint is
as follows: An "internal investigation" will be conducted (by the
cops pals in the same department) and the officer will be
cleared of any wrongdoing.
Cops are so far above being held accountable for their criminal
actions and misdeeds that they cannot even be held responsible
for a traffic citation. It's almost sickening.
Registered: Jul 2003 But what should we expect... The swine are on the same payroll
Location: Chicago, Illinois as the prosecuting DA, SA or City Attorney.
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9991 Officers Destroying Evidence

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I have recently been assaulted / drugged and raped.. Then got into
Registered: Aug 2006 a car accident right after fleeing the incident.
Location:
Posts: 157
The cops were severely placating and 'rolling their eyes', thus the
hospital staff imitated them.
- No rape kit was used during my 'five hour' stay in ER, and after I
was 'sober enough to go to jail' for my first dui, the offender's
jacket was also spurned for consideration as evidence... "Aren't you
going to take this guy's jacket in as evidence?"
"Well? You've been wearing it this 'whole-time'! Any evidence we

could have had is probably 'gone' now!"
'IF' these cops are found guilty for destroying evidence, what would
the ramifications be?

Also, Does anyone know of a similar situation or case?
------------------------------------------------------
Police departments need to provide training for their patrol

officers (first line responders) and detectives about the drugs
utilized in sexual assaults. They need to know that a variety of
drugs are used. They need to know what to look for in terms of
crime scene evidence and realize there may be more than one
crime scene (location of drugging, location of rape, etc.). They need
to know that EVERY possible witness is crucial as even tidbits of
information may be crucial to developing the necessary timeline of
events to determine what happened. And, many drug-rape
victims end up driving cars and being arrested for DUI.
Unfortunately, when they try to report the assault once they
have come out from under the drug, they are disregarded,
ridiculed, etc. Handling the DUI is one thing (and, of course,
that’s what the officers are initially faced with and must
handle) but ignoring a rape report by making the value
judgment that “she’s just making this up to get out of a DUI”
is inexcusable. Taking the rape kit may help determine the
truth in case it is a made-up effort to escape prosecution for
DUI and clearly is the only way to go in the event it is true!
Refusing to allow the rape kit to be taken is tantamount to
the officer destroying evidence.
- Trinka Porrata, 16 yr in LAPD & Expert on Drug Facilitated Rape
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GC Marciano Re: Officers Destroying Evidence

quote:

'IF' these cops are found guilty for destroying
evidence, what would the ramifications be?
Registered: Jul 2003 Probably just a wink, a nod and a raise.

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dr pepper The hospital is liable for performing the rape exam using the rape
Senior Member kit, if it was a complaint of yours to the medical personnel. Those
cops are just assholes if they acted the way you say they did. Go
Registered: Jun 2006 out of town, find and talk to an attorney, then decide if you want to
Location: pursue the suit. I bet they did a blood alcohol didn't they?
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09-08-2006 11:49 AM
9991 hi..
Senior Member
Oh really? I keep hearing mixed opinions from people..

Location: Some say that the 'Cops' are the ones who have to 'Authorize' the
Posts: 157
Rape Kit.. That the Doctors 'could' have taken it upon themselves to
do it, if they thought my story was 'credible', but in essence, the
cops have to step up and take action the 'second' someone says
they were raped..
Yes, they did a blood test on me. Actually - the police had one
blood test, and the hospital collected blood as well.. Both tests
came out positive 'only' for the drug I was slipped, (ecstacy)
nothing more..
The other thing that angers me is that in the 'police report' -

towards the end - it says, "Later, Ms. ___ said, 'I went to a party,
these guys gave me ecstacy.. I 'knew' it was ecstacy.. I thought I
could handle it.."
I'm sorry! But, I have an 'audio' recording of one of the offenders

'Disclosing' his intel of what really happened to me! -
And I WASN'T at a "party", and trust me! I would 'never' take that
drug after my past experience with it! - After the high wore off, I
felt like I had to clutch my stomach to keep my organs from

collapsing!
Not only that, but based on my reaction to it? - Everyone says I

overdosed.. It's supposed to feel 'much' better, and make you
happier.. That much I agree. This time, I 'blacked out', then came
to constantly.. I was in that ER for five hours..
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driver Re: hi..

Junior Member
quote:

Oh really? I keep hearing mixed opinions from
people..
Some say that the 'Cops' are the ones who have
to 'Authorize' the Rape Kit.. That the Doctors
Registered: Jul 2006 'could' have taken it upon themselves to do it, if
Location: USA they thought my story was 'credible', but in
Posts: 17 essence, the cops have to step up and take action
the 'second' someone says they were raped..
Yes, they did a blood test on me. Actually - the

police had one blood test, and the hospital
collected blood as well.. Both tests came out
positive 'only' for the drug I was slipped,
(ecstacy) nothing more..
The other thing that angers me is that in the

'police report' - towards the end - it says, "Later,
Ms. ___ said, 'I went to a party, these guys gave
me ecstacy.. I 'knew' it was ecstacy.. I thought I
could handle it.."
I'm sorry! But, I have an 'audio' recording of one

of the offenders 'Disclosing' his intel of what
really happened to me! -
And I WASN'T at a "party", and trust me! I would

'never' take that drug after my past experience
with it! - After the high wore off, I felt like I had
to clutch my stomach to keep my organs from
collapsing!
Not only that, but based on my reaction to it? -

Everyone says I overdosed.. It's supposed to feel

'much' better, and make you happier.. That much
I agree. This time, I 'blacked out', then came to
constantly.. I was in that ER for five hours..
You should contact one of the woman's rights organizations, like

NOW. Maybe they could help you out in this matter.
Did the ER treat you for possible STD's and preganancy from this
rape?
If not, you could have a possible law-suit against the ER.
Just a thought.
-Driver
09-09-2006 07:30 PM
9991 Re: Re: hi..

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quote:
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Originally posted by driver
Posts: 157
You should contact one of the woman's rights
organizations, like NOW. Maybe they could help
you out in this matter.
Did the ER treat you for possible STD's and

preganancy from this rape?
If not, you could have a possible law-suit against

the ER.
Just a thought.
-Driver
No.. They didn't treat me for anything.. See? The 'cops' and 'nurses'
were too busy flirting with eachother.. And, everytime I opened my
'stupid trap', I interrupted their tete a' tete's..
I just can't believe that a 'Hospital' can get sued much easier than
the police, though..

And the one question that hasn't been answered (and wish it were)
is 'Do the police have to authorize a rape kit', or 'Don't they have
the responsibility of making sure one is used when a patient /
Drunk / criminal claims they were raped?'
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09-09-2006 10:29 PM
9991 In court today..

Senior Member
Saw the 'full' police report for the first time..

Location: I can't handle this I can't.. I am 'so' upset, I can't think of
Posts: 157
'anything' now but those cops...
Do you know how 'hard' I fought to keep that evidence? 'JUST' to

have those idiot cops call me a liar?
My mother always said, "If someone calls you a 'thief' all the time,
that means they are a thief.."
I don't know.. I can't go on like this. I can 'never' be happy unless

something - happens to those cops. I am obsessed now.. If you
could see how 'hysterically' I am crying while I am typing this..
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Tim u.k I'm sorry, to hear that it's an absolutely horrible thing to have to
Junior Member read, just keep on pursuing this don't let it be swept under the rug.
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10-19-2006 06:52 PM

OldManSenile 9991, did you tell the arresting officers what happened initially
Member upon arrest? If so S.S. 264.2 states they broke the law.
Registered: Feb 2006 quote:

Location: Missouri
Posts: 88
Originally posted by dr pepper
The hospital is liable for performing the rape
exam using the rape kit, if it was a complaint of
yours to the medical personnel. Those cops are
just assholes if they acted the way you say they
did. Go out of town, find and talk to an attorney,
then decide if you want to pursue the suit. I bet
they did a blood alcohol didn't they?
No and No to the italic. The hospital AND the POLICE are liable per
S.S. 264.2. They aren't just assholes. They are criminals. They
broke state law. I'm sure I can find a C.F.R. tomarrow to show they
broke federal law also.
With that being said, get an official copy of the police report, talk
with a lawyer. Then file a complaint with the station where they
work. Here is S.S. 264.2. As far as the "destroying evidence" and
case law, that might take a little longer to find, but I'll try.
264.2. (a) Whenever there is an alleged violation or violations of

subdivision (e) of Section 243, or Section 261, 261.5, 262, 273.5,
286, 288a, or 289, the law enforcement officer assigned to the case
shall immediately provide the victim of the crime with the "Victims
of Domestic Violence" card, as specified in subparagraph (G) of
paragraph (9) of subdivision (c) of Section 13701 of the Penal Code.
(b) (1) The law enforcement officer, or his or her agency, shall
immediately notify the local rape victim counseling center, whenever
a victim of an alleged violation of Section 261, 261.5, 262, 286,
288a, or 289 is transported to a hospital for any medical evidentiary
or physical examination. The victim shall have the right to have a
sexual assault victim counselor, as defined in Section 1035.2 of the
Evidence Code, and a support person of the victim's choosing
present
at any medical evidentiary or physical examination.
(2) Prior to the commencement of any initial medical evidentiary
or physical examination arising out of a sexual assault, a victim
shall be notified orally or in writing by the medical provider that
the victim has the right to have present a sexual assault victim
counselor and at least one other support person of the victim's
choosing.
(3) The hospital may verify with the law enforcement officer, or
his or her agency, whether the local rape victim counseling center
has been notified, upon the approval of the victim.
(4) A support person may be excluded from a medical evidentiary or

physical examination if the law enforcement officer or medical

provider determines that the presence of that individual would be
detrimental to the purpose of the examination.
TITLE 9. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON INVOLVING SEXUAL

ASSAULT, AND CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC DECENCY AND GOOD
MORALS
CHAPTER 1. RAPE, ABDUCTION, CARNAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN,
AND SEDUCTION ..............261 - 269
Hope this helps.
OMS
10-19-2006 10:44 PM
9991 quote:
Senior Member
9991, did you tell the arresting officers what happened
Registered: Aug 2006 initially upon arrest? If so S.S. 264.2 states they broke
Location: the law.
Posts: 157
I not only told the arresting officers, but I told the 'woman' who
called dispatch, the Fireman, paramedics, nearly 'all' hospital staff I
came into contact with - and the officers.
The Fireman 'saw' me tell the officers and the staff that I was raped
'repeatedly'. - I saw him on July 7th of this year, and he confered..
"Yes, I remember. I remember you telling 'me', I remember you
telling the 'cop', the 'nurse', the doctor.. Why were they treating
you that way?"
Everything from here on is just so predictable..
I had court today, and it didn't turn out too good, so I'm near tired
of going over this again.. All I can say is that there were 'two' drug
tests taken. 'Both' showed MDMA (or, at least one of the results I
saw with my own eyes - and that was the hospital test-result).
Today, 'miraculously', one of the arresting officers came in with a

'new' set of test results. Internal affairs also called me yesterday
[finally], and said.. "yah, we finished the report.. and, uh.. the
report..? I just take officer's opinions and hand them in.. It doesn't
mean it's 'my' opinion.." - finishing his sentences.
'Misdemeanor DUI'
Officer here Richard E. Barr - also one of the arresting officers.

Showed up at 'every' pre-lim, brought in 'New' blood test results.
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kness Intimidation/Threats via text messaging

Junior Member
Short end of it. While trying to help a friend, I told her drug dealer
Registered: Sep 2006 to just leave her alone. He said that since i wanted to get involved
Location:
Posts: 3 her dept now was bestowed upon me, it was only $20 but i wasnt
going to pay it. well in response to that he sent me a text
messaging saying that If i didnt pay $120 (interest) then I would be
paying $1200 in doctor bills for my 2 year old. Is this harrassement/
Intimidation and can it be even filed as a complaint b/c it was sent
via a text message?
09-09-2006 10:40 PM

GC Marciano Yes.
The dealers demand of the $20 and $120 payment is extortion.
The text message was a threat of bodily harm against a child, a
felony charge in many states.
Bypass reporting this to the police as they are generally

worthless and will just give you the runaround.
Lock the message in your phone as evidence, take the phone to

Registered: Jul 2003 the DA/SA's office in the county where the original threat was
Location: Chicago, Illinois made and explain the situation. Tell them you want to file a
Posts: 9967 criminal complaint against the individual. If you can persuade
them to actually do their job (which is often hard to do with the
judicial system), they will ask you to write a full statement
describing the incident(s). Be detailed and concise: Include
names and contact information of witnesses; include dates,
times and all other relevant details.
Do you know the dealers legal name?
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kness where he lives and where I live and recvd the messages were in too
Junior Member different counties. I only know his first name but I know where he
lives so I'm guess that would surfice.
Location: So he can't say that someone else used his phone or some other
Posts: 3 crap to account for the threat?
also could you even charge someone with extortions in cases of

drug deals gone bad?
He also sent threats over myspace (funny i know) to my boyfriend

could that be used aswell? I didnt know the law had caught up with
tecknoledgy
09-10-2006 12:15 AM
GC Marciano You would want to file the complaint in the county that he
Copwatcher Extraordinaire originally threatened you.
He can say that somebody else used his phone to make the
threat, but the text threat accompanied by the original $20 face-
to-face extortion attempt should provide reasonable evidence to
allow for prosecution.
The extortion attempt was not a case of a drug deal gone bad
unless it was a drug deal between you and him. If it was
Registered: Jul 2003 between you and him, I'd say your best bet is to report the
Location: Chicago, Illinois threat, file for an OOP (Order Of Protection) and lay low.
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kness quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2006 and lay low.
Location:
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oh thats incurraging considering this guy has robbed people at gun

point. Is it safer/wiser just to keep out of it from now on? Kinda
hard to let something pass when it has to do with threats against
your kid.
If i really wanted him to be a jail for a while would it be better just
to tell the police that he deals and has numerous firearms and have
them raid his house? What kind of sentence would large quantities
of marijuana (pounds) and cocaine (ounces) and probably
unregisterd firearms get him?
09-10-2006 01:20 AM
GC Marciano I said to lay low if you were involved in a drug transaction with
Copwatcher Extraordinaire him. The state probably won't do much about a complaint from
a drug dealer's disgruntled client.
The posession and firearm charges can net him several years in
prison, especially if he has prior convictions.
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blg1 Don't bypass the police as previously suggested. This is a criminal

Junior Member threat that needs to be addressed. This guy is true scum if he will
threaten a child.
Location: California You could likely work with the police or sheriff's office to arrange for
Posts: 21 a location to meet in an effort to prove that this dirtbag is the true
sender of the messages.
The D.A. will only refer you back to the original police juristiction
since most only have a very small investigative wing.
I would also separate myself from friends who dabble in drugs.
10-02-2006 01:19 AM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by blg1
I would also separate myself from friends who
dabble in drugs.
Well said.
I still hold that the police won't do anything but try to set you
Registered: Jul 2003 up for associating with a narcotics user/dealer.
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I still hold that the police won't do anything
but try to set you up for associating with a
narcotics user/dealer.
Almost certainly true, if for no other reason than that busting

you for "associating with a known narcotics dealer" gives the
Location: Tucson, AZ State an excuse to (illegally) seize both your child and your
Posts: 5865 personal assets.
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10-02-2006 06:46 PM
blg1 quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Sep 2006 Almost certainly true, if for no other reason than
Location: California that busting you for "associating with a known
Posts: 21 narcotics dealer" gives the State an excuse to
(illegally) seize both your child and your personal
assets.
That would be entrapment.. It won't happen that way.

10-02-2006 06:55 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by blg1
That would be entrapment.. It won't happen
that way.
You're right; of course not. The police would never entrap an

innocent civilian.
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10-02-2006 07:44 PM
L.E. Hero The scariest part is probably what this guy will do to you after he
Senior Member gets out of jail. That would be my concern.
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10-05-2006 01:17 PM

Texastwister quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by L.E. Hero
Registered: Jul 2006 The scariest part is probably what this guy will do
Location: Texas to you after he gets out of jail. That would be my
Posts: 165 concern.
Did anyone ask you copscum? Now hit the road

motherf8cker.....
10-05-2006 05:15 PM
GC Marciano quote:
The scariest part is probably what this guy will
do to you after he gets out of jail. That would
be my concern.
True, and even though you are forced to pay for their services
you can't expect any protection from the police...
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
True, and even though you are forced to pay
for their services you can't expect any
protection from the police...
You took the words right off of my fingers.

Kness, my advice in any case would be to buy a good handgun
Posts: 5865 for protection ("legally" or otherwise).
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10-05-2006 10:23 PM
L.E. Hero Don't forget protection dogs and a security system.

Senior Member
Everyone here knows that the police will never have enough
Registered: Jul 2005 resources available to protect you 24-7.
Location: Virginia
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liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Don't forget protection dogs and a security
system.
Everyone here knows that the police will

never have enough resources available to
protect you 24-7.

Posts: 5865 Well said! I just don't want the State pressing charges against
me for exercising my right to self-defense (which includes use
of deadly force) when the police can't come to my rescue.
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10-07-2006 02:17 PM
GC Marciano quote:
the police will never have enough resources
available to protect you 24-7.
In other words, don't expect them to help at all. Buy a big gun
and learn how to use it.
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driver Tattoos on police officers

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I am seeing an increasing amount of non-miltary style tattoos on

the police officers in my small town of 40,000 people.
I was under the impression that visible tattoos on police that are
not affialted with military service such as Marine logs, ect were
banned.
Whats up with this? BTW most of these officers are from LA, not
Registered: Jul 2006 Norcal where I reside.
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Posts: 17 Too, these Tats are not excacty "Gang Tats" but they do look
unsightly on a professional law enforcement officer, IMO.

08-03-2006 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by driver

these Tats are not excacty "Gang Tats" but
they do look unsightly on a professional law
enforcement officer, IMO.

Location: Chicago, Illinois No, they are exactly "gang tats". Police officers comprise the
Posts: 9967 largest, most dangerous gang of criminal thugs in Amerika.
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No, they are exactly "gang tats". Police officers
comprise the largest, most dangerous gang of
criminal thugs in Amerika.
Welcome to Copwatch, Driver!

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Thanks!
I didnt really see it that way until I read some of the stories about
police offenses/crimes here and elsewhere.
By the looks of things, we are not dealing with "ADAM-12" style

peace officers anymore and thats a damn shame.
08-04-2006 12:17 AM
Mack Things are so bad nowadays that even pro-police propaganda (ie TV
Assistant Moderator police dramas) reveal them to be scumbags, criminals, sadists, and
power-mad stormtroopers.
Cops like those in Adam-12 don't exist even in fiction anymore.
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08-04-2006 12:47 AM
lockemup A large number of agencies are now adopting policies of having

Junior Member their officers cover up tattoos that can be seen by the public.
Tattoos have become more popular recently and I have seen some
Registered: Aug 2006 wearing s full sleeve tattoo. It does not belong on someone
Location: Florida representing the community. I agree they should be in long sleeves
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regardless of a heatwave if they have a lot of ink on the arm.
08-18-2006 07:47 AM

paulobaka White Supremecy in LA County Sheriffs-Old Los Angeles Times frontpage

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Here is an older related article.
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POLICE
GANG
Discovered
By Anne-Marie O'Connor and
Tina Daunt
TIMES STAFF WRITERS
LOS ANGELES-He is still proud of his tattoo. The somber image of

Death's hooded skull and scythe tattooed onto the inside of the
deputy's left ankle in 1989 initiated him into a select fraternity
called the Grim Reapers. Then a street cop at the Lennox station,
this deputy has risen to a key position in the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department - along with other members of his "club." The
groups - with macho monikers like the Pirates, Vikings,
Rattlesnakes and Cavemen - have long been a subculture in the
country's largest Sheriff's Department and, in some cases, an inside
track to acceptance in the ranks. Senior officers say they began
with the creation of the Little Devils at the East Los Angeles station
in 1971. Membership swelled in the 1980s at overwhelmingly white
sheriff's stations that were islands in black and Latino immigrant
communities.
A federal judge hearing class-action litigation against the

department described the most well-known of the groups, the
Lynwood Vikings, as a "neo-Nazi, white supremacist gang" and
found that deputies had engaged in racially motivated hostility. The
county paid $9 million in fines and training costs to settle the
lawsuits in 1996. But today, groups like the Grim Reapers are
enjoying renewed popularity among young deputies, who say the
groups are fraternities that bond on morale-building values, not
race. A new group - the Regulators - has formed at the Century
station, and even suburban deputies are thinking about getting
tattoos. (Wasn't there a vigilante group called the Regulators? WFI
Editor) Some senior officers say the groups provide emotional
support for deputies who contend with a grueling regimen of violent
crime and an 11-to-7 overnight schedule that strains family life.
The groups have their detractors. One deputy characterized the

Lennox Reapers as "cowboys," and another complained that the
Regulators were "acting just like the Vikings." (Newly elected)
Sheriff Lee Baca has long been a critic of the groups, though he
believes an outright ban would be unconstitutional. He urges

deputies to stay away from the organizations, saying they

encourage unprofessional behavior. Critics of the department go
even further. They charge that the stations with the department's
most troubled records - meaning the most frequent excessive-force
lawsuits and discrimination complaints - are home to the most
active deputy groups. And the groups are viewed with mistrust by
many in the inner-city communities. "They are generally perceived
as rogue cops who have often been accused of acting in very
inappropriate ways in the street," said Joe Hicks, executive director
of the city's human relations commission. "It doesn't seem to be
good for morale or community relations."
FINDING EVIDENCE OF POLICE GANGS
Some of the lawyers now suing the Sheriff's Department on behalf

of clients who say they were beaten, shot or harassed have
demanded that deputies accused of misconduct roll down their
socks and reveal if they have one of the distinguishing tattoos. In
one case pending in federal court, attorneys want two deputies who
allegedly shot a man to death to show whether their ankles bear
the Vikings insignia. (Ironically enough, police are usually the ones
demanding street gang members to show them their tattoos, as
evidence of gang affiliation. The criminal world is virtually a mirror
image of the police state, both relying on violence for power. WFI
Editor)
Kevin Reed, an attorney with the National Assn. for the

Advancement of Colored People's Legal Defense Fund, who worked
on the class-action suit involving the Vikings, thinks the deputy
groups encourage a pattern of excessive force. "There is a bond,
not just of being a fellow deputy, but being a Viking, that gives you
the comfort that no one is going to write the report that will hang
you out to dry," Reed said. One Viking tattoo displayed in court
bore the number "998" - the code for "officer-involved shooting" -
Reed said, giving the impression that such shootings were
celebrated as a rite of passage. Former Undersheriff Jerry Harper,
who was Baca's boss until he retired after Baca was elected Sheriff,
did not deny this. "It's a mark of pride…"
But David Lynn, a private investigator who testified on the deputy

groups to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission - which is to address the
issue in a report due in April - has called for the names of tattooed
deputies to be cross-referenced with excessive force allegations.
Sheriff Baca supports the idea of such a registry. "I cannot dismiss
[the gangs] as a little club or as a social group," Baca said. "I see it
as the wrong message to a public that desperately wants to be
close to us, desperately wants to trust us. Having a Grim Reaper
tattoo does not bring confidence in you as a deputy."

BY INVITATION ONLY
Although their total numbers are not known, the tattooed officers
are found throughout department ranks. Many have risen to
positions of leadership. Group members are said to be
predominantly white and male, though Latino members are
reportedly common. (Many Latino people, especially from Mexico,
are descended from pure Spanish backgrounds, and actually are
"white" people. WFI Editor) There are few black or female initiates,
group members say. "It's no more than some of the fraternities at
different schools," said the deputy who became a Grim Reaper at
Lennox. The deputy, who is white, was honored the day he was
asked to become a Reaper. His buddies drove him to a tattoo parlor
and gave the artist the secret stencil with the Reaper icon. The
tattoo was numbered and his name entered into a ledger kept by a
veteran officer. To him the tattoo "showed that you were respected
by your peers." The symbols are not meant to be sinister, but the
more forceful logos - like a bolt of lightening - have higher status,
he said. (Oddly enough, members of the German Nazi SS also had
tattoos of bolts of lightening to signify their membership in the SS,
which is how the Allied forces identified them for prosecution. How
much more hard evidence does there have to be to prove that the
U.S. Federal republic today is a police state? WFI Editor)
Even Baca acknowledges the appeal of the gangs. He recalls

confronting the issue of Viking membership two years ago when he
was a regional department chief. He was meeting with deputies at
the new Century station, which replaced Lynwood. His superiors
warned him to be cautious. "I think there was more of an interest of
protecting me from what they perceived to be a backlash. Since I
was the only one out there voicing an objection to it, they didn't
want me so far out on a limb that my overall effectiveness as a
chief might be mitigated. Well, now I'm the Sheriff, so I'm not
worried about mitigation… Don't like [the police gangs]. Never
have. Never will."
Today, some officers have told Baca they're thinking about getting
their tattoos removed. One of them, Lt. Paul Tanaka, was made a
top aide to the sheriff just after the election in August. Tanaka was
tattooed as a member of the Vikings while a young deputy in 1987
- a year before he was named in a wrongful-death suit stemming
from the shooting of a young Korean man. The department
eventually settled for close to $1 million. Now Tanaka, a recently
elected Gardena city councilman with aspirations to rise in the
department and local politics, would like to disassociate himself
from the gang. "Paul doesn't have anything to say about [the
tattoo]," said Sheriff's Department spokesman Capt. Doyle
Campbell. "It is perceived by some in a way that was never
intended. He's having it removed. He wants it behind him." (That is
also what all the ex-Nazis said at the end of World War II, but even
though a tattoo can be removed, the attitudes that led to its being

implanted cannot be removed so easily. WFI Editor)
It was 1990 police misconduct litigation that first hurled the deputy
clubs - and the Vikings - into the public eye. The lawsuit, which
asked the federal court to take over the Lynwood station, produced
numerous accounts of "Animal House" -style thuggery. There were
the deputies who shot a dog and tied it under their commanders'
car; the deputies who smeared feces on a supervisor's engine.
There was the map of Lynwood in the shape of Africa, the racist
cartoons of black men, the mock "ticket to Africa" on the wall. U.S.
District Judge Terry Hatter concluded that many deputies engaged
in racially motivated hostility against blacks and Latinos. In 1996,
the department was ordered to pay $7.5 million to 80 victims of
excessive force in the area policed by the Lynwood station, and
spend $1.5 million for mandatory training.
Then-Sheriff Sherman Block said Hatter's characterization of the

Viking's as a "neo-Nazi" group was wrong, and said that the Vikings
were primarily a social organization. (Which is like saying that the
Aryan Brotherhood, a white supremacist prison gang, is just a club.
WFI Editor) The 1992 Kolts Commission report on police brutality in
Los Angeles said deputy "cliques" like the Vikings were found
"particularly at stations in areas heavily populated by minorities -
the so-called 'ghetto stations' - and deputies at those stations
recruit persons similar in attitudes to themselves." The report said
evidence "does not conclusively demonstrate the existence of racist
deputy gangs." Nevertheless, it went on to say, "it appears that
some deputies at the department's Lynwood station associate with
the 'Viking' symbol, and appear at least in times past to have
engaged in behavior that is brutal and intolerable and is typically
associated with street gangs." (If it looks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck, and smells like a duck, it's probably a duck. WFI Editor)
There never has been a follow-up report or investigation by an

independent entity since. Within the department, Baca said, he was
sufficiently concerned about the Vikings to send in a no-nonsense
Latino commander to run the Lynwood station in 1989. He said he
sent in Capt. Bert Cueva "to specifically stamp out this Viking
phenomenon." Cueva "looked like Clint Eastwood, and you didn't
mess with him," Baca said. "He was the right guy to go in an say,
'OK, folks, all this Viking crap is over with."
VIKING FUNERAL: ARYANS IN L.A.
But when Cueva ordered the transfer of reputed Vikings out of the
station, four sued him for discrimination. The suit was eventually
dismissed, and in 1992, Cueva retired from the force. The Vikings
continued to operate. In May 1995, Deputy Stephen Blair was shot
and killed in the line of duty. His buddies passed out lapel pins

bearing the Viking symbol so deputies could wear them at his

funeral, said Deputy Mike Osborne, who became a trainee at the
Lynwood station in 1994. To Osborne, the Vikings mirrored the race
and gender caste system at a station where deputies had to win
acceptance from white male veterans, many of whom routinely
used racist and sexist slurs.
Being invited to become a Viking was considered a tremendous

compliment, Osborne said. "If you're hard-charging, one of the
boys, you'll be asked. If you've paid your dues and you're not an
idiot." Becoming "one of the boys" implied more than simple
fellowship, Osborne said. "You keep your mouth shut and obey the
code of silence. Any illegal acts you witness by other deputies, you
don't say anything. If you're asked, you say, 'I didn't see nothing,'"
said Osborne.
Osborne and his wife, fellow Deputy Aurora Mellado, retired in 1996
after Mellado broke that code by accusing her training officer of
fabricating or destroying evidence to harass blacks and Latinos. The
officer, Jeffrey Jones, pleaded no contest to felony charges of
falsifying police reports that August. The month Jones was
arraigned - March 1996 - someone shot at the Osbornes' home just
before midnight, as their children slept in the rear bedrooms, he
said. Osborne said he suspects renegade sheriff's deputies were
involved. (Terrorism in L.A.? WFI Editor)
John Hillen, a retired Army captain at the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, said the intensity of military life, which
parallels the law enforcement experience, fosters subcultures of
unit identity. "A lot of these subgroups can be as harmful as
helpful," he said. For example, Ret. Col. Dan Smith, an analyst at
the Center for Defense Information, said "underground groups" that
arise within military ranks often have white supremacist leanings.
Reports of such a culture in the Sheriff's Department have led
attorneys pursuing misconduct complaints to try, with little success,
to make membership in deputy gangs admissible in court. "It goes
to motive, it goes to credibility, it implies a treatment of people of
color," said civil rights attorney Hugh Manes. "Gang membership
has long been accepted in courts in the context of criminal law. If it
has relevance for the criminal courts, it certainly has relevance for
the Sheriff's Department."
That kind of talk outrages tattooed deputies, who say the misdeeds
associated with the Vikings gave everyone else a bad name. One
such deputy called the tattoos a "harmless expression of
camaraderie. It's like a Marine Corps tattoo." The day he got
tattooed, three of his buddies picked him up and took him to a
tattoo parlor, he thinks in East L.A. The artist already knew the
tattoo by heart.

Sheriff Baca wishes deputies would just stop joining the tattoo
subculture. California Highway Patrolmen get killed in the line of
duty more often than sheriff's deputies, he says, and they don't get
tattoos. When Marines get tattoos, they use official emblems, he
said. "You ought to be proud to be a member of the Sheriff's
Department," Baca said. "Tattoo your badge on your ankle, if that's
what you want to do."
SOURCE: Excerpted from the 24 March, 1999, issue of the Los

Angeles Times, Orange County Edition, from an article entitled, "A
Secret Society Among Lawmen." Reprinted in the public service of
the national interest of the American people
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you little ****ing hippies, go **** yourselfs
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sincerely eat a gun
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you little ****ing hippies, go **** yourselfs
ps do the world a favor and commit mass
suicide with all you little bitch followers.
sincerely eat a gun
That is some very good advice for the cops.

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xtratabasco Fake Oakley Sunglasses

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I like fake Oakleys, because I like the style and I scratch or break
Registered: Jul 2004 mine so often that paying 150-250 bucks doesnt make any sense. I
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Is buying or selling fake or replicas like Oakley a crime?
Should it be?
Is it worth persuing?
I have scene many cops wearing fake Oakleys. In fact I cant think
of any other profession that wear more fake Oakleys, probably for
the same reason I do.

Secretary of State Mark Hammond announced today that agents of

his office conducted a raid in Cherokee County that led to 2 arrests
and the confiscation of over $40,000 in counterfeit Oakley
sunglasses. Lewis Franklin Martin of Gastonia and Lisa Dawn Tansill
of Huntersville, NC were arrested following an undercover sting
operation led by an investigator from the Secretary of State’s Office
and assisted by the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office.
Cherokee County Sheriff Bill Blanton stated that We’re always

available to assist the Secretary of State’s Office in these matters,
and were glad to assist this time. The buy-bust was facilitated by
information provided in a February arrest made in Pickens County.
The Secretary of State’s Office and Pickens County Sheriff’s Office
confiscated over $50,000 dollars worth of counterfeit Oakleys in the
raid.
I would like to thank Sheriff Bill Blanton and the Cherokee County
Sheriff’s Department for their professionalism and cooperation in
Friday’s undercover buy, said Secretary Hammond. The consumer
wants to know that he or she is getting the quality associated with
the brand name. These counterfeit dealers are cheating our citizens
by selling them fake merchandise, and taking away jobs that a
legitimate manufacturer and retailer tries to provide.
Each charge of counterfeit merchandise carries a maximum penalty

of $5000 and/or one year in prison. Secretary Hammond promised
to crack down on these counterfeiters during his campaign for
office, and has made trademark investigation a primary focus of his
administration. Peddling counterfeit merchandise is bad business for
South Carolina, said Hammond.
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05-10-2006 02:58 AM
haha01 My question is how can you not know that you are buying
Member counterfeit sunglasses? If I wanted genuine Oakleys, I would buy
them from a reputable retail store. If I'm buying them elsewhere, I
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xtratabasco Yes you have to read it a couple of times,

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It breaks down like this.
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Posts: 2869 them, and then they gave them out to troops in Iraq.
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=2889191
Soldiers in Iraq wearing seized fake Oakley sunglasses
SHIPSHEWANA, Ind. -- American troops are wearing sunglasses

seized from a northern Indiana flea market and using them to
barter with Iraqis, police said.
About 200 pairs of fake Oakley sunglasses were being illegally sold
at the Shipshewana Flea Market when police confiscated them
during a 2001 investigation and held them as evidence until the
case was recently closed, police said.
Shipshewana Police Chief Tom Fitch learned from a state trooper

whose Marine son is in Iraq that the sunglasses were a hot
commodity for both soldiers and Iraqis eager for American
merchandise.
State Trooper Kevin Echterling of LaGrange told Fitch that his son,
David, went through a pair of sunglasses a month due to the
excessive wind and sand.
Fitch sent the glasses overseas to the Marines, who then replied in
a letter saying they were wearing some of the sunglasses
themselves and traded the more flashy, impractical pairs to Iraqis.
05-18-2006 11:23 AM
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Your original post didn't mention this.
quote:

Is buying or selling fake or replicas like Oakley a

crime?
Should it be?
Is it worth persuing?
Yes, yes, and yes?
I'm not sure what your question is, but are you suggesting the
police commited crimes in confiscating the counterfeit Oakleys, or
by giving them to the troops, or both?
05-18-2006 11:37 AM
L.E. Hero Last I checked, Oakley offered hefty discounts to police on those
Senior Member sunglasses.
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Mack If true, boycott Oakley. They're way overpriced anyways.

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L.E. Hero Yeah. There are tons of them being sold though. One hundred
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Registered: Jul 2004 Yeah. There are tons of them being sold though.
Location: One hundred bucks is just a drop in the bucket.
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the bottom line is that piqs bust some people selling fake oaklies
and then sell and give them out, like they are some kind of hero.
you got some screws loose L.E. ZERO
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kodiak another question for cops out there

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ive got one more question for the cops out there.ive read the
Registered: Nov 2005 comments from some cops on here regarding the 14th
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some interesting food for thought upon the subject at hand. http://
www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html
the only thing i can say is,this is alot of food for thought because if
the 14th admendment is indeed unconstitutional as this link
suggests then it explains alot of whats wrong concerning the
current situation in the govt.

11-13-2005 09:53 PM
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im begining to see that since no cops out there has a comment,that
Registered: Nov 2005 they really dont care at all about the constitution at all.
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The Chief We care, but to answer a question, you need to ask one first.
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duncan cops never read the consitution

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11-15-2005 09:09 PM

The Chief I'd be gald to answer a question Dumbcan, but no one asked one.
Senior Member Just a "food for thought"
Maybe you can tell me the question he's trying to ask here, since
you seem to have left it out...
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i agree now with duncan,i dont think the cops know or even care
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an education.
11-16-2005 04:01 PM
The Chief Well that's all fine and dandy, but to answer a question, you need
Senior Member to ask one...
Can you maybe quote in the post where you asked a question?
Registered: Nov 2005 All I got was:

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That isn't a question.
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reread the first sentence in the post,it clearly says ,i got one more
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politicians,when asked a question they come up with something
else and avoid it.
11-16-2005 08:19 PM
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but some of my replies has been deleted,so im kinda curious to
Registered: Nov 2005 whats going on this site?
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11-16-2005 08:34 PM
The Chief The mods delete posts at will.

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As for the question, you state you have a question, but dont ask
one. I'm not trying to be a stickler on it, but I just don't see a
question to answer.
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erased, which would be the only answer I could give to what I think
on it. So I don't get why they just don't delete the whole thing
instead of erasing an honest answer?
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a little confused as to what the question is too....????

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kodiak well the question is concerning the 14th admendment,acording to

Senior Member what ive read about it its was passed illigally.but the way things are
right now,its really rather mute.because its gotten to be a lawless
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11-17-2005 10:11 PM

The Chief Just ask a question on the 14th amendment so someone can give
Senior Member you an answer!!! There is not a question here:
"well the question is concerning the 14th admendment,acording to

what ive read about it its was passed illigally.but the way things are
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11-22-2005 10:05 AM

The Chief Yet no one on here can even tell me what the question is. I have
Senior Member read all the amendments and state statues in my state.
What is the question Dumbcans? Do you even know?
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Originally posted by The Chief
I'd be gald to answer a question
Just expect his answer to be a lie.
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Ask the question, you ******s. By the way, I love how the mods
Guest on this site delete any reasonable explaination an officer throws
out. They just go around deleting posts at will when they're
Registered: Not Yet bull**** statements get blown right back in their faces.
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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by ChameleoBJE
I love how the mods on this site delete any
reasonable explaination an officer throws out.
They just go around deleting posts at will
when they're bull**** statements get blown
right back in their faces.

Can you give me an example of any statement posted by an
Posts: 9967 officer that has has been deleted by the mods?

From what I have seen, the only posts that get deleted are
posts in which the submitter violates the rules by calling names
or posting outright lies (as in your above post).
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duncan Not to mention the fact that this guy has never posted anything
Moderator other than this lie on our forum.
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Copwatcher Extraordinaire school.
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navyfiveo Ok, I don't understand the question either but if it is

Senior Member reference to the validity of the amendment based upon the
web site you read from, it mentions several states not
Registered: Sep 2004 ratifying the amdnement for one reason or another.
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complete listing of states which ratified it which far exceeds
the requirement and includes most of those orignally on the
opposition list.
The fourteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States

was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Thirty-
ninth Congress, on the 13th of June, 1866. It was declared, in a
certificate of the Secretary of State dated July 28, 1868 to have
been ratified by the legislatures of 28 of the 37 States. The dates of
ratification were: Connecticut, June 25, 1866; New Hampshire, July
6, 1866; Tennessee, July 19, 1866; New Jersey, September 11,

1866 (subsequently the legislature rescinded its ratification, and on

March 24, 1868, readopted its resolution of rescission over the
Governor's veto, and on Nov. 12, 1980, expressed support for the
amendment); Oregon, September 19, 1866 (and rescinded its
ratification on October 15, 1868); Vermont, October 30, 1866;
Ohio, January 4, 1867 (and rescinded its ratification on January 15,
1868); New York, January 10, 1867; Kansas, January 11, 1867;
Illinois, January 15, 1867; West Virginia, January 16, 1867;
Michigan, January 16, 1867; Minnesota, January 16, 1867; Maine,
January 19, 1867; Nevada, January 22, 1867; Indiana, January 23,
1867; Missouri, January 25, 1867; Rhode Island, February 7, 1867;
Wisconsin, February 7, 1867; Pennsylvania, February 12, 1867;
Massachusetts, March 20, 1867; Nebraska, June 15, 1867; Iowa,
March 16, 1868; Arkansas, April 6, 1868; Florida, June 9, 1868;
North Carolina, July 4, 1868 (after having rejected it on December
14, 1866); Louisiana, July 9, 1868 (after having rejected it on
February 6, 1867); South Carolina, July 9, 1868 (after having
rejected it on December 20, 1866).
Ratification was completed on July 9, 1868.
The amendment was subsequently ratified by Alabama, July 13,

1868; Georgia, July 21, 1868 (after having rejected it on November
9, 1866); Virginia, October 8, 1869 (after having rejected it on
January 9, 1867); Mississippi, January 17, 1870; Texas, February
18, 1870 (after having rejected it on October 27, 1866); Delaware,
February 12, 1901 (after having rejected it on February 8, 1867);
Maryland, April 4, 1959 (after having rejected it on March 23,
1867); California, May 6, 1959; Kentucky, March 18, 1976 (after
having rejected it on January 8, 1867).
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kodiak a question for cops out there

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yes,ive got a question for any cops out there that call themselves
Registered: Nov 2005 good.no1, why is it that the only thing that cops out there care
Location:
Posts: 189 about is what the supreme court says about something? the cops
way way back in the earlier years cared about the bill of rights and
the constitution--the cops now act like the constitution is nothin but
a comic book that some aliens from outer space made thats
encrypted and ONLY the supreme court can understand.the cops in
the earlier years understood and respected the constitution and bill
of rights.retired officer jack mclamb knows and respects the bill of
rights and the constitution,but the rest of the cops out there act like
its a comic book that can be ignored.if the constitution cannot be
literaly taken--then how can the 55 mph speed limit be taken
literaly,maybe it states 555 mph.if you cops dont understand this,
then i am beginning to wonder whats left of this country ?? or is it
that the new breed of cops dont really care? and the only thing that

they care about is power?? them im sorry,but you dont deserve to

wear a badge unless you cops understand what it means to serve
the people again.
11-06-2005 07:46 PM
L.E. Hero quote:

Senior Member
why is it that the only thing that cops out there care
Registered: Jul 2005 about is what the supreme court says about something?
Location: Virginia
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I think it comes down to liability. Sadly, they drill into many new
police recruits that you can or can't do something but they don't tell
you the reasons.(1st or 2nd or 4th Amendment etc..)
It also comes down to interpretation as well as reasonable

judgement.
quote:
if the constitution cannot be literaly taken--then how

can the 55 mph speed limit be taken literaly,maybe it
states 555 mph
That will always be argued. I think it has to do with the letter of the
law vs. the spirit of the law.
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11-06-2005 09:28 PM
kodiak thank you for your proffesional response,i do appreciate that.

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11-06-2005 10:35 PM

kodiak there is one more question though,if a person was speeding in a 55

Senior Member mph zone on a high way and going say 90 mph.if the person was to
take that ticket to the judge and tell him,her, that can we interpret
Registered: Nov 2005 this in the spirit of the law,or by the letter of the law? how do you
Location: think that the judge is going to respond?? by that type of thinking ,
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doesnt that nullify the letter of the law.by these new standards that
im seeing practiced,then everything can be done according to the
spirit of the law instead by the letter of the law,which is starting to
get very scary.because that then is what the supreme court has
done recently regarding eniment domain on whether a corporation
can steal private land,and according to the spirit of the law,which is
indeed a violation to the constitution.thereforeeverything is
operating by the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.i
wish traffic laws operated the same way,but they dont.in other
words the spirit of the law has gotten to the point of ,if i dont like
the letter of the law,then in the spirit of the law i can ignore the
letter of the law because i either dont like it or dont agree to it.isnt
that correct?? thanks for the responses.
11-06-2005 11:02 PM
L.E. Hero quote:

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if a person was speeding in a 55 mph zone on a high
Registered: Jul 2005 way and going say 90 mph.if the person was to take
Location: Virginia that ticket to the judge and tell him,her, that can we
Posts: 447 interpret this in the spirit of the law,or by the letter of
the law? how do you think that the judge is going to
respond?? by that type of thinking ,doesnt that nullify
the letter of the law.
Allow me to clarify myself. Letter of the law would be just that. In a

posted 55mph zone, you would get a ticket for 56 mph. This is
deemed unreasonable by the citizenry as well as the judges.
Another example however would be the expectorating(spitting) in
public laws most places have. If you are John Doe and you spit on
the street in front of your house at 123 Main Street in BFE, it would
be reasonable to not give you a summons for spitting. If you were
downtown at the courthouse and you spit on the sidewalk where
numerous people walk, I can see the possibilty of a summons. I
think the original intent of a law has to be taken into account before
there is any enforcement action taken. So, with that in mind, Spirit
of the law should prevail.
In reference to the question you posted, basically, if that judge sees

the 90mph ticket, you are done. Thats reasonable I think.
It would be best to pre-pay unless there is some underlying

circumstance.
quote:
because that then is what the supreme court has done

recently regarding eniment domain on whether a
corporation can steal private land,and according to the
spirit of the law,which is indeed a violation to the
constitution.thereforeeverything is operating by the
spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.i wish
traffic laws operated the same way,but they dont.in
other words the spirit of the law has gotten to the point
of ,if i dont like the letter of the law,then in the spirit of
the law i can ignore the letter of the law because i
either dont like it or dont agree to it.isnt that correct??
thanks for the responses.
There are just some situations where there are no rigid standards
that apply. A perfect example would be the sodomy laws that were
in effect here up until a couple of years ago. Do you know how
many gay guys I have busted fully engaged in romantic relations?
Do you really think that i am going to charge them with felonies?
Now if they were in a school parking lot at 9:00 in the morning-
that's a little different.
Pick and choose has always been the mode of the day. Actually, I
beleive they now use the term selective . selective enforcement.
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11-07-2005 07:57 PM
kodiak thanks for the responses,you did help me understand that better.
Senior Member and i understand the system of the 5 mph over the speed limit
though,at least that does makes sense.thanks for adding clarity
Registered: Nov 2005 because im understanding more now.i just hope that the supreme
Location: court goes by the rigid letter of the law,becausethe spirit of the law
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does work in minor situations that you described.but the spirit of
the law has no place where constitutional letter of the law should be
extremly rigid,because if it isnt then,any thing can go.and that
comes the dictatorship,then were all in deep trouble out there.i do
wish to thank you for the info and the responses to my questions,i
do appreciate it.

11-07-2005 10:09 PM
GC Marciano Letter of the Law: Raping a child is illegal and will earn you
Copwatcher Extraordinaire several years in prison.
Spirit of the law: Raping a child is illegal and will earn you
several years in prison, unless you are a cop.
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Spirit of the law: Raping a child is illegal and will
earn you several years in prison, unless you are a
cop.
Thank you for your intelligent rebuttal.(Sarcasm) Please, just throw

out stupid statements without basis or claim to it. Please, just kill
yourself.
04-30-2006 03:49 AM

Mack I am beginning to wonder if you are capable of responding in a

Assistant Moderator substantive manner...
We have innumerable news articles detailing horrific sexual crimes

committed by police officers, and many if not most of them recieve
sentences which are less severe than those imposed on unsworn
citizens for similar crimes.
See the "Law Enforcement Sex Offenders" section of the News sub-
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Please, just kill yourself.
That would make it so much easier for you to defend criminal

cops, right?
It appears that the mass exposure of criminal police officers on

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Wow, you're ****ing numb. I know that there are officers who ruin
Guest tarnish the badge's reputation. All I'm trying to say is you guys are
biased against any cop who wants to explain himself on this forum.
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exaggeration. Every topic on this ask a cop page is just
mudslinging ,sometimes from both cops and copwatch idiots, but
mostly from the latter. Don't deny it, either. Just admit you have a
problem.
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I am beginning to wonder if you are capable of
responding in a substantive manner...
As he has proven in each of his posts, obviously he is not.
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navyfiveo Re: a question for cops out there

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if the constitution cannot be literaly taken--then
how can the 55 mph speed limit be taken literaly,
maybe it states 555 mph.
First of all, please don't put all "Cops" into one category. I certainly
don't place Mack and Nav1gatr in the same bag as Duncan and
good ol Al. There are plenty of people out there in the positions of
public trust who don't belong there. I can name a few high ones
right off hand but becasue of my status within the military, I won't
do that. That being said, there are police officers who fall into that
power trip but a majority of us do not. The majority of us are family
people who actually work for a paycheck and abide and enfore the
laws.
The United States Constitution was written in 1775 and approved in

1776. In no way, did the authors mean for the exact written word
to be taken literally more than 200 years after it was drafted. That
is why the United States Supreme Court is in place. The main
function of that entity is to interpret the wording of the Constitution.
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liberranter Re: Re: a question for cops out there

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by navyfiveo

First of all, please don't put all "Cops" into one category.
I certainly don't place Mack and Nav1gatr in the same
bag as Duncan and good ol Al.
I think almost every copwatcher here is honored to be

categorized with Duncan and "good ol' Al", both of whom have
put themselves in extreme danger to expose the depredations
of scumbags like you.
Location: Tucson, AZ There are plenty of people out there in the positions of
Posts: 5865 public trust who don't belong there.
Thank you for admitting this. Now why don't you do the
honorable thing and quit the force and do something productive
for a living? While you're at it, do some community service to
repent for your past sins.
I can name a few high ones right off hand but becasue of
my status within the military, I won't do that.
Now how did I know you were military? Maybe you were at
Haditha after all.
That being said, there are police officers who fall into
that power trip but a majority of us do not.
Please! We have our intelligence insulted enough on a daily

basis without infantile bull**** statements like that.
The majority of us are family people who actually work

for a paycheck and abide and enfore the laws.
The majority of you are sociopathic scumbags who couldn't get

a job in the "real" world if you tried and who depend on stole
taxpayer dollars for your subsistance.
The United States Constitution was written in 1775 and

approved in 1776. In no way, did the authors mean for

the exact written word to be taken literally more than
200 years after it was drafted. That is why the United
States Supreme Court is in place. The main function of
that entity is to interpret the wording of the Constitution.
Maybe you were drunk or asleep when you took the oath of
enlistment/commissioning, but that document you so
dismissively deride --more specifically and importantly, the
upholding and defense of it-- is the ONLY REASON for your
service. Anything you do that runs contrary to the tenets of that
document constitutes a crime for which you are legally liable.
Fortunately, the majority of us are not as zoologically ignorant

as you are and are not about to accept such idiotic
misstatements as truth. Go back to high school and take a
civics class refresher before spewing such malodorous bull****
here.
As a retired Lt.Col. recently published in this forum, a man who

clearly understood his oath of commissioning put it, "the federal
government is the greatest threat to liberty." Thank you for
being living, breathing proof of that.
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GC Marciano Laws against murder are hundreds of years old also.

They must be outdated and therfore no longer apply, just like
the Constitution, right?
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Laws against murder are hundreds of years
old also.
They must be outdated and therfore no longer

apply, just like the Constitution, right?

He wouldn't know; he's never read the Constitution.
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GC Marciano Should a taxpayer expect honesty from a cop?

This is the "ASK A COP" forum.
Ask all the questions you want, just don't expect an honest
answer from them and for your own protection, never take their
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cg1811 I would be lying if I said yes - but we (most of us) never lie under
Junior Member oath. Perhaps the better questions is whether we should expect
integrity from our cops.
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GC Marciano When a citizen lies under oath it is called Perjury and will earn
Copwatcher Extraordinaire the citizen harsh penalties up to and including lengthy prison
sentences.
When a police officer lies under oath it is called Testimony and

is rewarded with a wink and a nod.
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cg1811 When anyone lies under oath it is perjury - whether they are a law
Junior Member enforcement officer ("LEOs") or a citizen. LEOs must be accountable
for their testimony.
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01-27-2006 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by cg1811
In our line of work if you commit perjury or
any appearance of impropriety you will be
teriminated and prosecuted.
• On the perjury issue:

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oath in order to more easily gain a conviction, or to ensure a
conviction in a case that otherwise may result in dismissal or
acquittal.
Since the word of an officer is always taken by the court over

the word of a citizen when there is no other evidence to back up
the claim, the perjury is usually either overlooked or ignored
and the testimony of the officer stands.
In spite of any denials you may issue, this is in fact the case. It
happens on a regular basis by nearly all members of LE from
the local to the federal levels.
• On the "appearance of impropriety" issue:
Your claim is absolutely absurd. It is almost unheard of for an

officer to be terminated - much less prosecuted over the
appearance of impropriety.
If the media publicizes the appearance of impropriety, then an

officer might be placed on paid administrative leave as a token
gesture to satisfy the public pending the outcome of an
"Internal Investigation", but very rarely is an officer terminated
or prosecuted for this.
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no other evidence to back up the claim, the
perjury is usually either overlooked or ignored
and the testimony of the officer stands.
I wouldn't say "always", but it is true that issues of credibility are

often resolved in favor of the officer. One of the reasons for this is
that police write reports contemporaneously to incidents. When a
witness's recollection is preserved in writing immediately following
an incident, it is generally considered more reliable.
However, I would also like to point out the following: Police officers
have a great incentive to testify truthfully in court, because they
have to testify in front of the same judges routinely. If the officer
gets caught in a lie, he's basically done in front of that judge and
probably any others that find out, even if he isn't prosecuted for
perjury. When I first joined the PD, the local judge told me and my
fellow recruits in no uncertain terms that he is the best BS detector
around and that our credibility with him will be sunk if we lie.
02-11-2006 10:40 PM

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If the officer gets caught in a lie, he's basically done
in front of that judge and probably any others that
find out, even if he isn't prosecuted for perjury.
From what I've observed, most judges seem openly biased

toward the state's side of a case (i.e., LEOs) to condone perjury
if it comes from a prosecution witness. But if a witness for the
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Way to argue that officers claim, dipstick.
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Mack If that's the best you can do, you're not destined to be around here
Assistant Moderator for very long at all.
Smart ass cops with insulting attitudes aren't tolerated here.
Remember, you are not out on the streets of your patrol area.
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GC Marciano He strikes me as a wanna-be cop, probably a teenager and the

Copwatcher Extraordinaire son of a cop.
I don't think he has a patrol area yet; ride-alongs don't count.
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I am a high school senior who is actually part of an internship for

Guest the Penn Hills police department, and I'll inform you imbeciles right
away that I've never seen any of their sworn officers mislead
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jump on the ball to insult them and then they end up having to sink
to your level because you ******s have to act like your a bunch of
cunning linguists. You're just sad. It's especially funny seeing a guy
who spells "***" wrong in every topic he posts in. By the way, your
site has the same facist policies and bias as a certain race
mongering site called stormfront.org. Congratulations, sub-humans,
you've reached a new low in forum history.
04-30-2006 11:16 AM

GC Marciano quote:
I am a high school senior who is actually part
of an internship for the Penn Hills police
department
Not even recognized as a town, Penn Hills is a small quiet

Municipality of under 50000 people. Perhaps you should finish
your basic education and look past the little "Penn Hills" police
Posts: 9967 department.
When you get out of Mayberry and see a litttle bit of the real
world, stop on by.
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He strikes me as a wanna-be cop, probably a
teenager and the son of a cop.
Good call- you're right again. I think we should cut him a little slack
Registered: Jul 2003 due to his youth and lack of maturity.
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because you ******s have to act like your a
bunch of cunning linguists.
From the FAQ: "Police officers and their apologists must conduct
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constituency of Copwatch. Hospitality does not require us to be
doormats.
Discipline will be administered as follows: Violators will be warned.
Repeat violators will be confined to "The Opposition Section", and/
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This is your warning.
quote:
It's especially funny seeing a guy who spells "***"

wrong in every topic he posts in.
The word you mention is automatically censored by the software

program. So people sometimes resort to creative spelling.
quote:
By the way, your site has the same facist policies and
bias as a certain race mongering site called stormfront.
org. Congratulations, sub-humans, you've reached a
new low in forum history.

That's a laugh. If we're like Stormfront, then pro-cop websites are

like the actual SS.
I don't think you have the intelligence or the discipline to participate

in a substantive manner, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt
due to your inexperience.
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xtratabasco will you kill fellow countrymen when ordered to take their weapons?
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Officers should keep in mind that some of the guns are not going to
be easily removed. For instance, those owned by true patriots those
freedom-loving Americans who know, without a doubt, what's coming
next if they give up their guns. It should not be a surprise to Police
Officers that many good Americans will not walk meekly into NEW
WORLD ORDER slavery. And there are few Officers who would want it
any other way.
So the question each Officer individually must face is a very difficult

but realistic one: "Which way will your own gun face when the orders
are issued? " Will you protect the people you have sworn to protect?

Or, will you do what other patriotic officers from other countries have
done to their countrymen, "obediently just follow orders"?
Every Police Officer/Military soldier in every enslaved nation on earth

has had to face this same question. Certainly, it's an individual
decision whether or not to take lethal action against fellow
countrymen when ordered to take their weapons (and with them
their liberty). But, each Officer will make that decision.
OFFICER, WILL YOU KILL FELLOW COUNTRYMEN WHEN ORDERED TO

TAKE THEIR WEAPONS? Perhaps it will help that you will be told by
superiors, "It's for the national good", and/or, "It's for the good of
society." (History proves that the nations' Enforcers can expect some
such motivational indoctrination such as this.)
Could there be such a police action, taken against the public?
http://www.infowarsmedia.com/video/...onfiscation.mpg
Try this link if above doesnt work.
http://www.infowars.com/video/clips...onfiscation.htm
sometimes they get to much traffic and dont play.
The link was a video story of the National Guard units confiscating
weapons in New Orleans from everyday americans, with footage of
troops and swat members breaking down doors, house to house
looking for weapons. Some of those interviewed said it was very un-
american but they did it anyway even in towns that werent effected
by the flooding.
ALSO
What do you think about the officers and military men who did go
into houses without warrents looking for guns?
Are they traitors?
Should they have done that?
What should be done with those that "just follow orders" against the
Constitution?
What would you have done in that circumstance?
Last edited by xtratabasco on 01-16-2006 at 03:28 AM
01-16-2006 02:19 AM

dish Nope. I don't think anyone I know would either. Don't want my guns
Member taken away. I would turn to the other side in that case.
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ghostsix No!
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GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by dish
Nope.
quote:
Originally posted by ghostsix

No!
Posts: 9967
If you are cops you are lying. You currently enforce
unconstitutionl gun laws and as mindless pawns of the State you
won't stop. Robots will do exactly what they are programmed to
do.
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jiminyglicks I will tell you as a military officer that I would not willingly partake in
Junior Member an endeavor like this. I have a right to refuse any order that I deem
is immoral and this situation would a breaking point. I swore to
Registered: Jan 2006 support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and
Location: DOMESTIC and I guarantee I would not follow out these orders. I
Posts: 4
may be stripped of my command, may even be arrested by the cops
that would be at my side but I would be able to live with myself for
stopping or help to stop something like this. I was scooped up after
hurricane Ivan to help out in the rebuilding/protection of northern
Florida as were many others in my profession. I am glad nothing like
this ever happened but if it had I would have had to have put my foot
down. Even if it meant having the men under my command (who
ranged from national guard, active duty everything, and even ROTC
cadets from local colleges) to point their weapons at the police that
would be intent on doing this "job". No matter what, it is my duty to
do the right thing.
01-20-2006 12:41 AM
GC Marciano That's what they all say. But cops are trained, professional liars.
We'll take you word for it, whatever that's worth.
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Location: Chicago, Illinois from crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of
Posts: 9967 fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois Supreme Court
01-20-2006 12:45 AM

GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by jiminyglicks
No matter what, it is my duty to do the right
thing.
You should start by quitting your job. If as you claim you "swore
to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign
and domestic", then why hasn't our military arrested the worlds
most dangerous terrorist, George W. Bush? He is the only real
Posts: 9967 threat to this nations freedoms and he has shit upon the
Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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jiminyglicks quote:
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2006 That's what they all say. But cops are trained,
Location: professional liars.
Posts: 4
We'll take you word for it, whatever that's worth.
remember i'm not a cop.
01-20-2006 01:53 AM

GC Marciano quote:
remember i'm not a cop.
Ok, I'll bump your credibility up to zero because you willingly

work for the US Military, which under GW Bush has become
nothing but an international terrorist organization.
Posts: 9967
01-20-2006 09:26 AM
jiminyglicks
Junior Member
first you welcome me then you pull this ****. i'm out of this forum
Registered: Jan 2006 and along goes another piece of credibility to this place. you all need
Location:
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to start thinking realistically.
01-20-2006 09:42 AM
GC Marciano Yet you refuse to address the issue of your terrorist organization.
See ya, the doors over there.
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01-20-2006 01:19 PM
xtratabasco beat up an old woman kami style

Senior Member
quote:
Location:
Posts: 2869
first you welcome me then you pull this ****. i'm
out of this forum and along goes another piece of
credibility to this place. you all need to start
thinking realistically.
Here is your realism, jackasq. watch the ktvu one where they take
down an old lady Kami style.
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: Can someone please
tell me what is wrong with our leaders.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Howdy,
Has this war on terror made our leaders go mad?
Watch the short video clip of gun confiscation in New Orleans.
Note: There are two big problems here:
Our "leaders" are prohibited, by law, from confiscating our firearms.

And, U.S.troops are prohibited, by law, from performing "police"
actions on U.S. soil. Now, if you put those two violations together,
what do you call being disarmed by your own government? TYRANNY.
http://www.gunowners.org/abcnews.mpg
or,
or,

http://www.clairewolfe.com/wolfesbl...cationSmall.avi
and,
http://www.ktvu.com/video/4946889/detail.html
This cartoon sums up that issue rather well:
http://www.gunowners.org/no03.htm
..................................
And, for fun, the newest 911 was an inside job, video.
It is outstanding:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&q=loose+change
02-11-2006 01:46 AM
duncan Of course a cop would kill a gun owner.

Moderator
They murdered Vicki and Sam Weaver.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado They murdered Gordon Kahl.
Posts: 9006
They murdered the Branch Davidians.
They kidnapped and detained me forcarrying my gun.
A LT with the Denver PD told me that he would steal my guns from

my car if he could find out what I was driving and then kill me if I
resufed to allow him to break the law.
The attorney Mancus of Sebastipol, CA asked officer Smith he would

go door to door and confiscate guns. The cop said yes he would as he
didn't want to lose his pension. The copster went on to explain that if
ordered to kill a gun owner who might defend his right to own a gun
then Smith would kill that gun owner.
Any cop tells you that he supports gun rights then that cop is a liar.
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02-23-2006 06:15 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
You should start by quitting your job. If as you claim
you "swore to support and defend the constitution
against all enemies foreign and domestic", then why
hasn't our military arrested the worlds most
dangerous terrorist, George W. Bush? He is the only
real threat to this nations freedoms and he has ****
upon the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Posts: 5865 Absolutely. I got out of the USN after seventeen years rather
than continue to serve under the immoral, illegal,
unconstitutional dictates of the regime. I should have called it
quits sooner, except I was too much of a coward at the time to
face up to the reality of my situation. The ugly fact is that the US
military is nothing but a global mercenary force, formed to do the
bidding of the military-industrial-corporate complex, and has
been so for most of the last century. It has nothing whatsoever to
do with defending the nation.
quote:
first you welcome me then you pull this ****. i'm out
of this forum and along goes another piece of
credibility to this place. you all need to start thinking
realistically.
Quit your whining, you commissioned asshole! It’s wankers like

you, interested only in your own careers and in kissing as much
ass as possible to get yourself promoted, that have trashed what
was once an honorable profession (two hundred or so years ago).
Thanks to you and your fellow automatons of the past four
decades who’ve worked their way up the political ladder by
asskissing and dicksucking the ruling political class, we’re bogged

down in an illegal and immoral war of aggression halfway around

the globe, ordered by an insane murderer hellbent on committing
national suicide. All because self-centered ****suckers like you
don’t have the balls to stand up to the ruling elite who control the
organs of armed power in this country and do the right thing. I
don’t believe for an instant that you and the cammie-clad animals
you command, who make up the bulk of today’s “combat”
military would hesitate for a millisecond to slaughter any
“civilians” (whom most of you speak of with undisguised
contempt) who even so much as look at you the wrong way. As a
matter of fact, most of you dream of doing just that!
As far as “thinking realistically”, that’s exactly what everyone in

this forum (save for the p8g lurkers) is doing: thinking
“realistically” about how we’re going to take this country back
from armed, violent fascists like you and your p8g friends who
are seeking to enslave us.
So, go on, get out of here, you baby-murdering stormtrooper!

You’re just as bad as the ***s!
Sorry about the flame, but "military officers" like jiminy have
ALWAYS pissed me off
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good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating
atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg
04-07-2006 11:12 PM

Regicide That's a powerful post, Liberranter.

Senior Member
It made me proud to read it, because it reminded me that there are
Registered: Oct 2003 still some real patriots out there, although they are few and far
Location: Our Town, USA between.
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I can only wish that your attitude was shared by more Americans.
04-07-2006 11:41 PM
duncan ditto
Moderator
and FTG
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04-07-2006 11:43 PM
Regicide Liberanter,
Senior Member
Before you quit the Navy, but after you realized that the system was
Registered: Oct 2003 hopelessly degenerate, how would you have responded to the initial
Location: Our Town, USA query in this thread?
Posts: 298
Based on your experience, how do you think that we can best deal
with cops and military personnel who answer "no" to the question?
I agree that any negative response can't initially be taken at face

value.
But on the other hand, to simply call them liars seems

counterproductive.

They're at least nominally on our side of the issue, even if their

actual conduct contradicts their claims.
It seems to me that we should point out the difficulty they'd have

sticking to their ideal self-conception, given the likely context of the
actual situation.
Not many cops or military personnel have the fortitude to go against

the grain when in the heat of conflict.
They're trained to follow orders first, and think later.
Pointing this out will perhaps cause them to reflect more sincerely on
their resolve, hopefully with the result of reinforcing their
determination to side with their fellow citizens.
04-07-2006 11:49 PM
GC Marciano quote:
Originally posted by Regicide
They're at least nominally on our side of the
issue, even if their actual conduct contradicts
their claims.
I think their actual conduct is the strongest proof of which side

they are on, no matter what their claims.
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04-07-2006 11:53 PM

Regicide quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Oct 2003 I think their actual conduct is the strongest proof
Location: Our Town, USA of which side they are on, no matter what their
Posts: 298 claims.
True, but most of them haven't (yet) actually killed a citizen in the
process of confiscating guns.
Cops and soldiers that say they won't do so may be deluding

themselves, but at least they aren't, at this point, gung-ho to follow
such an order.
If a cop said "hell yes, I'd shoot the MF in the head and take all his
guns without hesitation the moment I was given the order", then I'd
agree that there's little point in further discussion.
But so long as a cop says he would quit rather than follow that order,
then there might be a little hope for him, in which case we're better
off trying to solidify his attitude rather than trying to gratuitously
insult him.
Preaching to the choir gets a little tedious, don't you think?
We're not so insecure that we need to create a yes-man echo-

chamber like Bush.
04-08-2006 12:26 AM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Liberanter,
Before you quit the Navy, but after you realized that
the system was hopelessly degenerate, how would
you have responded to the initial query in this thread?
"Which way will your own gun face when the orders are issued? "
Will you protect the people you have sworn to protect? Or, will
Posts: 5865 you do what other patriotic officers from other countries have
done to their countrymen, "obediently just follow orders"?
There is no question whatsoever that not only would I NOT have

followed any order to either confiscate privately-owned weapons
from American citizens or to use deadly force against those who

resisted confiscation, I would, were I in a position to do so, use

every means at my disposal to prevent my “comrades in arms”
from doing so either.
quote:
Based on your experience, how do you think that we

can best deal with cops and military personnel who
answer "no" to the question?
I agree that any negative response can't initially be

taken at face value.
But on the other hand, to simply call them liars

seems counterproductive.
They're at least nominally on our side of the issue,

even if their actual conduct contradicts their claims.
I really think that, while perhaps Al’s and my response to Jiminy

may have seemed harsh, it’s difficult to sympathize with anyone
still willingly remaining on active duty in the U.S. armed forces,
particularly if they admit that they’re aware of just how
hopelessly criminal and immoral it is to still be serving in them.
The fact that “it’s so hard” to make the change in lifestyle is just
part of doing the right thing. I suffered horribly in emotional,
financial, and material terms for nearly five years after getting
out of the navy, but if I had it to do over again, I’d choose the
same path. As Michael Caine said in a recent film, “Have you ever
noticed that the right thing to do and the hard thing to do are
usually the same thing?”
quote:
It seems to me that we should point out the difficulty

they'd have sticking to their ideal self-conception,
given the likely context of the actual situation.
Not many cops or military personnel have the

fortitude to go against the grain when in the heat of
conflict.
That’s exactly the problem. Imagine if a few more guys at My Lai

had told that murderous scumbag Bill Calley “You, sir, are in
direct violation not only of Army regulations and the UCMJ, but
human decency as well. WE WILL NOT OBEY YOUR ORDERS!”
Imagine if even one or two people guarding the unfortunates
inside Abu Ghraib had upheld standards of human decency.

Imagine if the Generals and Admirals inside the Pentagon had

told Dubya, Dickie, and Donnie on the eve of March 20, 2003
“You are in violation of your oaths of office in attempting to wage
war without a congressional declaration, as well as violating
international law by waging an aggressive war against a nation
that has not attacked the United States. Therefore, WE REFUSE
TO OBEY YOUR ORDERS!”
quote:
They're trained to follow orders first, and think later.
So were the Waffen SS, the Soviet NKVD, the Guardia Civil, and
the Ohio National Guard.
quote:
Pointing this out will perhaps cause them to reflect

more sincerely on their resolve, hopefully with the
result of reinforcing their determination to side with
their fellow citizens.
Let us hope so. However, I’m not holding my breath and will keep
one of my own fingers on the trigger, just in case.
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good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating
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Regicide Can't argue with that. Well put.

Senior Member
I find it more challenging and rewarding to address some of the
Registered: Oct 2003 opposition, (at least those that exhibit a little intelligence, sincerity,
Location: Our Town, USA and respect), in a non-hostile manner, with the hope, however
Posts: 298 remote, of winning a convert.
Until they say something that clearly reveals their agenda to be

irreconcilably at odds with mine, I'll give them the benefit of the
doubt.
04-08-2006 01:43 AM

xtratabasco Re: will you kill fellow countrymen when ordered to take their weapons?
Senior Member
quote:
Location:
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"GETTING THEM GUNS!"
http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/vk2k.shtml
Could there be such a police action, taken against

the public?
http://www.infowarsmedia.com/video/...
onfiscation.mpg
Try this link if above doesnt work.
http://www.infowars.com/video/clips...
onfiscation.htm
http://www.infowars.com/video/clips...
onfiscation.htm
sometimes they get to much traffic and dont play.
The link was a video story of the National Guard

units confiscating weapons in New Orleans from
everyday americans, with footage of troops and
swat members breaking down doors, house to
house looking for weapons. Some of those
interviewed said it was very un-american but they
did it anyway even in towns that werent effected
by the flooding.
try these links
http://www.gunowners.org/notb.htm
04-08-2006 01:58 AM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Can't argue with that. Well put.
I find it more challenging and rewarding to address

some of the opposition, (at least those that exhibit
a little intelligence, sincerity, and respect), in a non-
hostile manner, with the hope, however remote, of
winning a convert.
Until they say something that clearly reveals their

agenda to be irreconcilably at odds with mine, I'll
Registered: Jun 2005 give them the benefit of the doubt.
Posts: 5865
Looking back at Jiminyglick's parting snit of indignity, I think I

detected a strong whiff of guilt. Al had clearly touched a sore
spot. Methinks Jiminy knew in his heart of hearts that Al's
characterization of the U.S. and its military forces as a "terrorist
organization" was right on the mark and that he was as guilty
as those who committed torture at Abu Ghraib and who levelled
the town of Fallujah, if only for not exercising his conscience
like this man or this man, to give just two examples. So
apparently Jiminy is addicted to cheap grace, like most other
Americans. In other words, I'll speak out against wrongdoing
until it costs me something personally.
If anyone can find me some examples of cops going "CO" on

their forces and quitting, I'd be very interested in finding out
more about them.
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04-08-2006 02:05 AM
Regicide I'm not saying that your predicted outcome would not come to
Senior Member pass, just that it's not absolutely certain to come to pass.
Registered: Oct 2003 I readily acknowledge that there's innumerable examples of cops
Location: Our Town, USA killing first and asking questions later.
Posts: 298
Clearly, the bad apples outnumber the good apples in reverse
proportion to what the media would have us believe.
Nonetheless, Al called JG a liar right off the bat on the strength of

no evidence beyond a supposition.
In all likelihood, JD IS a liar.
But we might as well wait for confirmation before calling him one.
There's more to learn about police attitudes from talking to them

than from driving them reflexively away.
04-08-2006 02:30 AM
Regicide Condemning each individual cop who posts on this forum without
Senior Member first endeavoring to ascertain their attitude is a little premature.
Registered: Oct 2003 It's like using a shotgun on tiny fish in a barrel.
Location: Our Town, USA
Posts: 298 There's nothing left, and no reward.
Much better to let the fish grow a little, then take them down.
More sporting, and more rewarding.
04-08-2006 02:35 AM
liberranter Good point, Reg. Most of the p8glurkers make for targets that
Super Moderator are too easy to hit. We'll have to start getting into the habit of
using reason and logic with them. They react to it like
Superman to kryptonite or a snail to salt.
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04-08-2006 12:31 PM
duncan True, but most of them haven't (yet) actually killed a citizen
Moderator in the process of confiscating guns.
Registered: Jul 2003 Waco!!!!

Posts: 9006 Copsters enforce gun control and will do as they are ordered.
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04-08-2006 05:31 PM

Mack True enough, but even that atrocity, committed by murderous cops,
Assistant Moderator doesn't NECESSARILY mean that "most" cops will kill citizens while
in the course of violating the citizen's Second Amendment rights.
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04-08-2006 06:13 PM
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Registered: Jul 2004 True enough, but even that atrocity, committed
Location: by murderous cops, doesn't NECESSARILY mean
Posts: 2869 that "most" cops will kill citizens while in the
course of violating the citizen's Second
Amendment rights.
They dont need the 2nd amendment as an excuse. Cops kill

innocent people in hospital beds over soda cans. They shoot people
in wheelchairs with shotguns. They kill young women sleeping in a
car.
04-08-2006 10:19 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Cops kill innocent people in hospital beds over
soda cans. They shoot people in wheelchairs
with shotguns. They kill young women
sleeping in a car.
...To Serve and Protect.

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COPWATCH.com Forum > ASK A COP > cops sying on people?
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kodiak cops sying on people?

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http://keepandbeararms.com/images/F...tFlyer-Back.jpg
Location:
yes,im wondering to the cops on this forum,what is your true
Posts: 189 reason for being here? is it to spy on fellow americans that have
been abused by the cops out there? or is it to see how many people
are still believing in the constitution?oh yes,heaven forbid that dirty
document called the constitution.im begining to think that perhaps
that the cops out there would be happier if we were in the soviet
style system as long as their the ones in power.
01-02-2006 03:53 PM

kodiak
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Location:
yes,im very curious as to whether or not any cops out there even
Posts: 189
"care"about the constitution? well i guess that since people who
actually care about the constitution are in fact the bad guys now.
well,too bad you cops wernt around in ww2 .you cops could have
helped hitler out.im sure that he would have appreciated it very
much.i now know the reason why you cops hate retired officer jack
mclamb for,he stands for justice and the constitution.
yes,i realize that the constitution has to be deciphered by the

supreme court.well if it wernt deciphered by them it would strip you
cops of your POWER now wouldnt it?if the supreme court actually
obeyed the law thenthe american people might be free.that truly
does hurt the crimminals in the govt doesnt it.well it does indeed
look like the poor old frog has indeed been cooked for alot of
decades and is ready for dinner. does it really feel good to be in full
power to "command" people to worship you like a god??
01-02-2006 04:17 PM
kodiak
Senior Member
well,it looks like ive lost all of my respect for the cops out there.im
Registered: Nov 2005 sorry but,it looks like that since the older generation of cops out
Location:
Posts: 189
there are all but gone.all were stuck with now are nothing but
crimminal thugs hiding behind a new world order badge.
well,texas twister it apears that you are very correct.if the so-called
good cops wont police their own then their no better than the
crimminal ones. btw texas twister,i was reading your older posts
and your very correct.body work for your motorcycle isnt that
cheap.further more,i dont blame you for making the cops pay for
anything that they want done either.why should they get special
privaliges when in fact they dont deserve it.
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unixmad Searching Cars/People

Junior Member
Well last night, around 11:30pm, I got pulled over for "flying past a
Registered: Aug 2005 cop". He said we were in a known drug area and was going to
Location:
Posts: 1 search us and the car. Now not to be racist or anything, we are
white and the town is 95% black
Can he use location as probable cause?
We weren't acting suspicious or drugged up or anything. All that

happened was he told us why we were pulled over, asked for the
license and registration, told us he was going to have to search us
and the car, and then went to his car.

08-18-2005 01:38 PM
GC Marciano Location is NOT probable cause to stop, detain or search a

Copwatcher Extraordinaire vehicle or it's occupants.
However, cops regularly create (aka: fabricate) the necessary

probable cause to stop a vehicle. They may "claim" a brake light
is out or flickering, a commonly used fabrication is that an
officer witnessed the driver "change lanes without signalling".
The extent of these fabricated lies is limited only by the officers
imagination.
Registered: Jul 2003 Once the vehicle is stopped the law does allow for a dog to sniff
Location: Chicago, Illinois outside the vehicle. If the dog hits, there is now probable cause
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to search inside the vehicle.
Often the dog will not hit, but the officer will claim he did -
another fabrication of evidence. Then after searching the vehicle
and finding nothing, the officer(s) are forced to "cover their
asses" and often times will plant an amount of narcotics, a
firearm, etc and suddenly "discover" it. This is done for several
reasons: It discredits the citizen who was unlawfully detained
and searched, it makes the unlawful stop look legitimate and
makes for an easy arrest, among others.
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GC Marciano Like anybody believes you. You are a well-documented liar who
Copwatcher Extraordinaire is trained to spread the bullshit propoganda.
Location is NOT probable cause to stop, detain or search a

vehicle or it's occupants.
However, cops regularly create (aka: fabricate) the necessary

probable cause to stop a vehicle. They may "claim" a brake light
is out or flickering, a commonly used fabrication is that an
officer witnessed the driver "change lanes without signalling".
Registered: Jul 2003 The extent of these fabricated lies is limited only by the officers
Location: Chicago, Illinois imagination.
Posts: 9967
Once the vehicle is stopped the law does allow for a dog to sniff
outside the vehicle. If the dog hits, there is now probable cause
to search inside the vehicle.
Often the dog will not hit, but the officer will claim he did -
another fabrication of evidence. Then after searching the vehicle
and finding nothing, the officer(s) are forced to "cover their
asses" and often times will plant an amount of narcotics, a
firearm, etc and suddenly "discover" it. This is done for several
reasons: It discredits the citizen who was unlawfully detained
and searched, it makes the unlawful stop look legitimate and
makes for an easy arrest, among others.
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k9deputy106 Location is not a reason to make a stop in Kansas. My dog has "hit"
Junior Member on a vehicle before and I did not find anything, and that just like
the times she hits and I do find drugs gets documented. Any dog
Registered: May 2005 handler that says their dog has never had a false hit is both stupid
Location: and a liar. When I have to testify about my dog my training and use
Posts: 22
records are part of the court record. No person, no animal is
infallible. Judges and attorneys know that.
As to the rest, each jurisdiction has its own rules for what is a
allowable reason to make a stop. For example mine does not allow
stops for no tag light or no turn signal in a lane change.
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For example mine does not allow stops for no
tag light or no turn signal in a lane change.
Those kind of stops are are revenue tickets. When you get a
politician in office who is greedy you will be allowed to make
stops on no tag light or no turn signal on a lane change.
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k9deputy106 quote:
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Those kind of stops are are revenue tickets. When you
Registered: May 2005 get a politician in office who is greedy you will be
Location: allowed to make stops on no tag light or no turn signal
Posts: 22 on a lane change.
Thats exactly right which is why to make a real change the people
making those policies need to be gotten rid of. Going after
individual street officers is about as effective as the so called war on
drugs. What good is it to bust personal users? None at all but what
it does is make stats for politicians to use to raise taxes and sink
more money into pork projects.
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Thats exactly right which is why to make a
real change the people making those policies
need to be gotten rid of.
...Conveniently ignore the officers who make the stops, blame

the people who let them.
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k9deputy106 quote:
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...Conveniently ignore the officers who make the stops,
Registered: May 2005 blame the people who let them.
Location:
Posts: 22
Or you could make a REAL difference and get rid of those who set
policies and allow illegal actions to occur without any punishment.
To stay with the drug analogy does it do more to arrest users, small
time sellers or the distributers? Arrest a pusher or user and another
is there to take his place....
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Arrest a pusher or user and another is there to
take his place....
Exactly. And that is why cop go after users. It fuels the machine.
The drug war is a hoax designed to create revenue. If the

Registered: Jul 2003 distributors were gone, a huge revenue source for the state
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would disappear. Keep prosecuting personal users and you
accomplish two things: you help justify the existence of LE and
create billions of dollars in revenue.
This government keeps a scientifically proven harmless narcotic

like marijuana illegal but allow the use of alcohol and cigarettes,
both scientifically proven harmful substances that kill millions.
It's nonsense, but who expects a rational idea from a big-
business government like the USA?

It's all about money, not safety.
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countess "Setting up the public"

Member
Shows exactly what we all believe. The slime ball LE Zero says, "if
Registered: Dec 2003 you routinely write summons for the violation and can prove it..."
Location:
Posts: 75 So now the agency has set up the "routine" of writing tickets for
this "equipment violation" with the intent to use it to make stops
any time they like. Shows what your goal is. Find a way around
honesty to fuk over citizens. Then we'll go to court and lie and deny
while wearing our uniform so we "must be telling the truth." Right
donut boy? You and all like you are the scum of the earth. Go play
with your ignorant, cowardly co-liars, you make the rest of us want
to puke!
08-24-2005 11:29 PM

countess Hey dummy!

Member
To set the record straight, I am not a female. The use of "countess"

Registered: Dec 2003 is a personal matter and you need not receive an explanation. I am
Location:
Posts: 75 a Viet Nam era former Marine, so I have been around the block a
few times, sport! What the fuk are you talking about a headlight
and a brake light for, moron? Your post referred to "even a license
plate light is an equipment violation!"
Yeah, some officers focus on saftey violations, to perform an

otherwise illegal stop! You know, the "probable cause" requirement.
Shows you try to justify whenever it's necessary, right sonny?
Go play with somone on your IQ level, that would be somewhere in

the single digit area, dumb fuk!
08-25-2005 10:17 PM
countess Jibberish
Member
As I should have known, you respond with nonsense. What the fuk
Registered: Dec 2003 are you talking about? You and the LE troops like you, use a phony
Location:
Posts: 75 reason to stop people, right? What has that to do with "fooling" me
when I drive by with my license plate lights out?
You have to truly be "always faithful" to believe the doctrine punk.

You are always faithful to your doctrine, "lie and deny" right porky?
By the way, you can fool some people but you don't fool me, you
pansy ass mutha fuker.
08-25-2005 11:01 PM
GC Marciano Re: Hey dummy!

quote:
Originally posted by countess

Go play with somone on your IQ level, that
would be somewhere in the single digit area,
dumb fuk!

Location: Chicago, Illinois I have to disagree. The average IQ of a cop is 105, and I
Posts: 9967 believe L.E. Zero hovers right around there.
105 is still well below the average IQ of a contributing member

of society...
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Senior Member know, I train with many of them.
=======================================
Registered: Jul 2003 What do you mean?
Location: You train with them as they become cops?
Posts: 755
Or you train with them as military?
08-27-2005 03:22 AM
Darryl God Cop.

Senior Member I think I understand your response, you are training with miltary
because of a lack of areas to train in?
Registered: Jul 2003 It concerns me you talk about firepower like the american citzen is
Location: the enemy.
Posts: 755
I understand there are nuts out there who care about nobody.
But there is also many nuts with badges out there. i oppose all
nuts, but my calling has seem to come agaisnt the black op boys in
law enforcement.
There are many of them.
Have you heard about the cops in Seattle Dan Bird and their wacko
tactics?? This seems to go on all over.
I have to laugh at myself godcop 10 years ago I was a businessman
who all and all thought the police were honest, I was a little naive,
and now hardly can believe at times what i am involed with.
The new world order is real. Just wait and see.

08-28-2005 02:43 AM
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It concerns me you talk about firepower like
the american citzen is the enemy.
As a mindless pawn of the state, GodSlop hates America,

freedom and everything the nation was founded on. The citizens
who love freedom are his enemy. He is a Nazi who supports the
Location: Chicago, Illinois Terrorist-In-Chief and the slaughter of the innocent in the name
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sunflower388 seat belt ticket and was wearing whole time

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Both my daughter and I were wearing our seat belts. I was pulled
Registered: Aug 2005 over and the officer looked surprised that we were wearing them.
Location:
Posts: 6 He then said he saw me just put it on which was a lie. Both of us
disagreed and told him we put the seatbelts on before we even left
the store parking lot we were at. He said, if you are innocent you
will fight this in court. I was given a ticket.
Today I got my courtesy notice, $84 for bail or $137.50 for Traffic
School. Court set for September. How can I prove my innocence?
How can he proove his lie? Suggestions?
08-06-2005 01:09 AM

Anthony Be congruent with your story...watcg those Judge Judy type TV

Senior Member shows...see how some people are all over the place, really sweating
over keeping their facts straight, they misspeak then have to clarify
Registered: Mar 2005 stuff, or all angry about stuff...yeah, don't be one of those. Explain
Location: your story in detail, keep calm, be respectful
Posts: 219
Edit: I'm not a cop, but I have observed a number of court cases in
real life, on TV, and done a number of ride-alongs with my ex-
friend. There was always a big different b/t the styles of speaking &
explaining of the citizens cops believed and didn't believe.
08-06-2005 01:29 AM
sunflower388 fighting the ticket

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Thanks
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08-06-2005 01:55 AM
Texastwister1 Welcome to copwatch Sunflower.

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I would say drop the 80 bucks on a ticket lawyer and get the
Registered: May 2004 citation tossed out of court.
Location:
Posts: 1744 Also I would like to add. The officer could have been working a
government funded program called seat belt step. This program is
an extra job for an officer. Most officer are paid an extra 20-25
dollars an hour on top of there regular pay for working step.
If a citizen is pulled over on traffic and the officer is working step, it

don't matter who you are, who you know or what you say. You will
get a ticket.
08-06-2005 01:09 PM

Matt1 I have never heard of what you are talking about TT. Most places
Senior Member work Operation Pullover but we sure as hell don't get paid nearly
three times our regular wage to work.
Location: As I suggested in your other thread about this (before Duncan stuck
Posts: 1818 his fat head in), gather your witnesses and contest the ticket.
What kind of car were you driving? Some cars are very difficult to
see if the belts are on because the shoulder strap just clears the
seat. A Firebird or Camero is a good example of this. If this is the
case, you may be able to argue the officer could not have seen one
way or the other if you were indeed wearing a belt.
08-06-2005 03:05 PM
duncan Ignore worhtless legal adivce from self serving copsters.

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08-06-2005 04:05 PM

Matt1 This section is called "Ask A Cop" you clown.

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08-06-2005 06:30 PM
Senior Member
Registered: May 2004 I have never heard of what you are talking about
Location: TT. Most places work Operation Pullover but we
Posts: 1744 sure as hell don't get paid nearly three times our
regular wage to work.
Matt from your post it looks to me like your a small po-dunk town
cop (if your a cop at all)working for 8 maybe 10 bucks and hour.
I don't give a flying flip if you have ever heard of the step program
or not, nor do I care. If you don't believe me just ask a Houston
police officer or a Harris County Deputy what they make for working
step as one of their EJ's.
08-06-2005 07:23 PM
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Registered: May 2004 you clown.
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This is not the section to be calling people names Matt. Consider

this a warning!
08-06-2005 07:27 PM

L.E. Hero Hmmm. A lawyer=a few hundred dollars. A ticket=possibly a couple

Senior Member hundred. Plus maybe the day off work(lost wages) if you fight it.
Registered: Jul 2005 If you are innocent, go to court and contest it.
Location: Virginia
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08-06-2005 10:31 PM
duncan The section is ask a cop not ask a lawyer.

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Yer not a lawyer yer a copster.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado We have already asked you several questions copster and you have
Posts: 9006 refused to answer any of them.
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08-07-2005 12:33 AM

Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 This is not the section to be calling people names
Location: Matt. Consider this a warning!
Posts: 1818
Why do you even have this section? People come here to "ask a
cop" only to get crap from Duncan. Your section is quickly becoming
a joke. I gave info to somebody asking for it and Duncan stuck his
mouth into it. Much like he did on the first topic here you started
that clearly asked for officer responses only.
Remember this:
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/show...=&threadid=4804
08-07-2005 01:01 AM
duncan Ask a copster things like,

Moderator
How many people have you killed?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado How many donuts do you suck down in one day?
Posts: 9006
Why is the workmens comp rate for copsters only $5 per $100?
I don't see a quote p8g. Looks like you shoved it up yer ass again.
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Anthony quote:
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Registered: Mar 2005 Looks like you shoved it up yer ass again.
Location:
Posts: 219
Only in YOUR mind...
08-07-2005 03:17 AM
sunflower388 seat belt ticket go on DMV Report?

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Thanks for the many options. Does a seat belt ticket go on DMV
Registered: Aug 2005 Records? In which insurance companies see.?:frown:
Location:
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08-07-2005 06:57 AM
Matt1 In Indiana they only show as a "non-pointable offence" on your

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08-07-2005 10:18 AM
Texastwister1 In Texas it does go on your driving record, but being that it is not a
Senior Member moving voilation in won't affect your insurance rates.

Location: Sunflower what this comes down to is how much is your time worth?
Posts: 1744
If I got an $80 seat belt ticket, It would not be worth my time to
spend several hours or more in court trying to fight such a minor
offense. It would be cheaper for me to just pay the fine and go
about my business.
If we were talking about a moving voilation that would jack my

insurance rates up then that would be another story.
Get a ticket lawyer and get the citation tossed out and keep it off
your driving record.

08-07-2005 11:42 AM
duncan Does a seat belt ticket go on DMV Records?

Moderator
Probably not. You can get a copy of your own DMV record to see
Registered: Jul 2003 what the insurance companies see.
Posts: 9006 Show up for court chances are the copster won't show up for such a
low end ticket.
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08-08-2005 02:05 AM
Matt1 quote:
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Location: Show up for court chances are the copster won't
Posts: 1818 show up for such a low end ticket.
That does happen often. The first bit of good info I have seen you
give here, Duncan.

08-08-2005 10:42 AM
duncan The topic is "Ask a Cop" the topic is not ask a lawyer.
Moderator
Are you a lawyer p8g?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado nope
Posts: 9006
No one has asked you for any legal advice the question was
directed at copwatchers not copsters.
No one invited you here p8g and you are not welcome here. All we
ask as free people is to left alone by nazi's like you.
We are not welcome on p8g forums, so why should a p*g be

welcome on our copwatch forum? We support the concept of
freedom of choice and we choose not to use your worthless service
and we also choose to keep our money rather than allow the state
to steal it from us and then use to support their greedy employees
who use our money to screw us over.
The only thing we want out of you p8g is for you to give the money
back. If the state and its parasitcal employees refuse to respect our
rights then of course we have no other recourse but to take our
money back.
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sunflower388 time
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Texastwister, my time is worth a lot. It looks like I will just have to

Registered: Aug 2005 pay this since I can't afford any time to fight it.
Location:
Posts: 6
Sad my daughter had to see this happen. She asked me why a
police officer would do this? She tried to explain to the police officer
that I had my seat belt on the whole time. Looks like he could not
see it was on and then when he pulled me over and saw it was on,
he claimed I "just put it on."
I live in Southern California so I am not sure the laws if this will

hike up my insurance?

08-08-2005 03:23 PM
duncan If you don't fight it then the swine win.

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This is why we have no freedom in amerika.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado If you can't make the date on the ticket then call in and ask for a
Posts: 9006 postponment or continuance.
I have recieved tickets like the one you have posted. I showed up
and there was no copster the case was dropped.
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08-08-2005 03:33 PM
Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 The topic is "Ask a Cop" the topic is not ask a
Location: lawyer.
Posts: 1818
Are you a lawyer p8g?
nope
No one has asked you for any legal advice the

question was directed at copwatchers not
copsters.

Are you that dense? I am a Cop and this section is called ask a cop.
This topic was posted in the ask a cop section.
08-08-2005 09:20 PM
duncan Are you a lawyer?

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Nope, so why are you giving legal advice p8g?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado This question was also posted on the correct string. Could it be
Posts: 9006 stupid that the woman was new to our forum and figured out that
she had posted her question on the wrong section?
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L.E. Hero Yes, this is the "ask a cop" section.

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Registered: Jul 2005 :eek:

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08-09-2005 01:41 PM
duncan Godslop and matt the thug have once agian proven me correct.
Moderator They will violate our property rights which is just the opposite of
what they claim that their mission as copsters are. They were asked
Registered: Jul 2003 to leave and respect our home, yet here the nazi's are posting on a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado privately owned forum to stalk our members and gather information
Posts: 9006
on them that they and their ilk will use at a later time.
Why else would these swine be here? They obviously hate what we
have to say about them and their fellow nazi's.
They have nothing to contribute to our society. They are both

simply acting as a parasites upon the host body of this forum in
hopes of distratcing us for our goals of freedom.
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08-10-2005 01:39 AM

Matt1 quote:
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Registered: Feb 2004 Godslop and matt the thug have once agian
Location: proven me correct. They will violate our property
Posts: 1818 rights which is just the opposite of what they
claim that their mission as copsters are. They
were asked to leave and respect our home, yet
here the nazi's are posting on a privately owned
forum to stalk our members and gather
information on them that they and their ilk will
use at a later time.
Why else would these swine be here? They

obviously hate what we have to say about them
and their fellow nazi's.
They have nothing to contribute to our society.

They are both simply acting as a parasites upon
the host body of this forum in hopes of distratcing
us for our goals of freedom.
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Godslop and matt the thug have once agian proven me
Registered: Jul 2005 correct. They will violate our property rights which is
Location: Virginia just the opposite of what they claim that their mission
Posts: 447 as copsters are.
What property rights have been violated? You own none of the
words that you post on this fourm. Our? The persons that post on
this forum own none of those words as well.
Do some research please.
quote:
They were asked to leave and respect our home, yet

here the nazi's are posting on a privately owned forum
to stalk our members and gather information on them
that they and their ilk will use at a later time.
Asked by whom? Are you an owner? You are a moderator. You

disagree with the truth and the things that we post. You think I am
going to leave this forum because you ask me to?
quote:
Why else would these swine be here?

I have stated my reasons several times. But then again, if you

delete them, you can tell everyone your lie and maybe they will
beleive it!
quote:
They are both simply acting as a parasites upon the

host body of this forum in hopes of distratcing us for
our goals of freedom.
You are confusing Police Corruption with your Anti-Social beleifs.
Why don't you go start a chaos or anarchy forum and leave the
corruption stuff to those who are mature enough to post relevant
ideas??
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08-12-2005 12:28 AM
Anthony whatever, it proves nothing.

Senior Member Go take a logic course, maybe some quality schooling.
Registered: Mar 2005 Oh, and please stop turning the anti-police misconduct cause into a
Location: joke for your own self-fish reasons. There are people who
Posts: 219 ACTUALLY care about change.
08-12-2005 01:12 AM
duncan Some of us simply want to be left alone by scum like you. Stop
Moderator being so selfish and respect the rights of others to be left alone.
Registered: Jul 2003 Yer not god porkey, you cannot change the world or force others to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado see things your way.
Posts: 9006
Cops are the anthieses of God. God allows for free will or rahter he
does not point a gun to anyone's head. Cops demand obedience to
illegal laws at the point of a gun.
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08-12-2005 12:41 PM
L.E. Hero Like I said before, he is anti-social.His Anti-police crap is just a

Senior Member small part of his belief system of anti-everything. Emotional rhetoric
that the left uses....all the same stuff. What it comes down to is
Registered: Jul 2005 that he beleives that he should be able to do anything he wants
Location: Virginia regardless of how it affects others.
Posts: 447
He lies when he doesn't know the truth.
He lies when he wants you to think he knows the truth.
He lies when someone else points to a fact that he doesn't want to

beleive. The forum is sort of a record. He tries to delete the record
hoping that no one will see the personal embarassment that he
goes through.
And he really has no experience in any part of law enforcement that

he comments about.
Dumbcan is what is known as a loser. They use some other p.c.
term to describe it nowadays.
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Anthony It's not inappropriate for cops to come on here and challenge
Senior Member certain fallacies about them, such as the laws they enforce being
illegal.
Location: Who cares what cops are the antithesis of ...(at least they don't just
Posts: 219 strike dead anyone they want for not following the laws they
creates like God does..depending on the religion your follow)
08-12-2005 08:37 PM

L.E. Hero Sure, but when was the last time you saw God strike anyone dead?
Senior Member
quote:
Location: Virginia
Posts: 447 It's not inappropriate for cops to come on here and
challenge certain fallacies about them, such as the laws
they enforce being illegal
Sure it is. It is a forum. Do you not read things here that you
disagree with on both sides of the issue?
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Rosie Question for Officers

Possibly a SOL
If an officer is cleared by the State and County of a shooting an a
civil case change any of that? Example: officer shoots man in self
Location: defense protecting a daycare in a church. The man dies. The officer
Posts: 99 is cleared as the shot is ruled valid.
Now a civil suit is being filed. Can the officer face charges or just
deal with the civil suit. Thank you.
10-23-2004 11:55 PM

Ghost An officer can be held liable in a civil lawsuit, despite the 'shooting'
Member being ruled justified by a District Attorney. The level of 'proof'
required in a criminal case is "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt",
Registered: Jul 2004 whereas proof in a civil suit is "Preponderance of Evidence", a much
Location: lower standard.
Posts: 29
An officer could be charged, punished, or held liable on several
levels:
He is subject to his agency's internal investigation, resulting in

internal discipline.
He could be charged with violating civil service rules, depending on
circumstances.
He could be subjected to a Coroner's Inquest, if his jurisdiction has
them.
He could be charged criminally under state laws.
He could be sued in state civil court.
He could be charged criminally in Federal court.
He could be sued in Federal court for a Civil rights violation.
Any one, or combination of things, or conceivably all could be

imposed, depending on the circumstances. Double jeopardy laws
between state and federal criminal cases don't apply to police
officers.
10-24-2004 01:53 AM
duncan How many times have you been sued for killing a taxpayer?
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I am unaware of the point of your response or how it relates to
Registered: Sep 2004 these thread. Perhaps you should start a new thread on your
Location: subject and not hyjack others. If you care to stay in this thread,
Posts: 99 could you try again to explain what you are saying? Thank you.
10-24-2004 08:51 PM
duncan Hey copster how many times have you been sued for killing a
Moderator taxpayer?
Registered: Jul 2003 Or did you get away with the killing?
Posts: 9006
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10-24-2004 11:23 PM

Darryl Ghost is a joke and so are you Rosie, Take your bias crimmal badge
Senior Member wearing crap to a cop forum.
Have either one of you tried to serve justice on a cop???
Location: This is a Copwatch Forum, So most of on here have been screwed
Posts: 755 over by the police,
Take your stupid crap elsewheres. or keep it here I could care less.
I have a whole crew of crooked leo that I have info on and after 5
years not one cop has taken up my offer to look into them or
(snicker, snicker) arrest them.
Know that not because they are not brave heros of the USA, it is
because I am crazy and a liar and so is my proof.
Got to get back to my pipe!!
Look at www.phoenixnewtimes.com for 1 crooked cop named Joe

Apario alot of you cops heros on this forum, A murderer, liar and
thief.
THE MOST DESCIAPBLE CRIMMAL OF ALL IS A COP!!!

Sorry about the caps,. copwatch!!
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Rosie Lets try this once more as adults. I asked a simple question and
Incompletely Registered - Ghost was kind enough to respond. Then the thread is hyjace with
Possibly a SOL verbiage that is...well...even I can't figure out what the point is.
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So why did others find the need to go on and post about something
that has nothing to do with my question.
Please keep your comments to the pen or anything goes or start a

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10-25-2004 07:30 AM

duncan DA's will aways whitewash a killing to avoid future lawsuits.

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GOD COP Darryl, Ghost has been here quite a while.

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I beleive what was posted to be very accurate. Specifically:
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An officer can be held liable in a civil lawsuit, despite

the 'shooting' being ruled justified by a District
Attorney. The level of 'proof' required in a criminal
case is "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt", whereas proof in
a civil suit is "Preponderance of Evidence", a much
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As far as the other tension goes, I aint got nuttin to do wit dat
man!

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Texastwister1 [QUOTE]Originally posted by GOD COP

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Did the F.B.I. teach you how to burn down a compound full of
people and get away with a mass murder as well?
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duncan How many times have you been sued for killing a taxpayer?
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Did the F.B.I. teach you how to burn down a
compound full of people and get away with a mass
murder as well?
I don't live in Texas. I am not the fbi. I think the fbi had a little
help. What's this whole posse comitatus thing again?
Multiple goon squads on a cluster****.:confused:
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monaliveson cyberstalking
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Officer only replies please.
How many LE here have encountered cyberstalking? There have

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work with this issue and what do you think about it. Thanks
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duncan just you ya dumb c8nt

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GOD COP No problem here.

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monaliveson Thanks GodCop..........several agencies in my area have internet

Movin' on (B) type departments dealing from the child stalkers to all sorts of
internet crime. There are now internet lawyers etc dealing with just
internet things. Pretty interesting to see where it all may lead. New
technology brought new crimes.........what a world.
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GOD COP Sorry, I misunderstood. We have quite a few cases but I wouldn't
Senior Member call it a serious problem. Of course, I am sure there is a lot that
goes unreported. It usually involves online pedophiles looking for
victims.
Dumbcan, how have I ever affected your free speech rights?
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duncan spying on freedom lovers and harassing us on our own forum.

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is this your forum p8g?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado did anyone of us invite you here?
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mona is a stalker and a psycho bitch and i a have knife to defend
myself from this c*nt.
I never dial 911 and when the copster come to arrest me for
defeding my life then I will again defend my life from these nazi's
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monaliveson My Duncan......you really are going over the edge. You have guns
Movin' on (B) and knifes and you will use them.......even on the police. No one is
stalking you Duncan......it is your paranoid mind playing tricks. And
honestly.........you are really of not interest......it is just so easy to
watch you burst a vein.
Location: I was not aware this is a privite site that requires an invitation. Why
Posts: 423 don't you take your fight to the owners and other mods. Get rid of
forums that allow for officers like ask a cop and bridge the gap. Ban
anyone who talks pro police or bashs any copwatcher. Get rid of the
forums like unregistered. Hey....you want a site where only
copwatch view points show.....make one. Don't create a site where
you seem to want police involvement and opposing views if you
really don't want it.
For a mod.....seems to me that your issues are with

"management".....so take them there.
11-15-2004 12:03 PM
duncan My mona......you really are going over the edge. You don't have
Moderator any guns and knifes and you will dial 911 and die.......even on the
police. No one is stalking you mona youa re the one who came to
Registered: Jul 2003 our forum to harass us...... andit is your paranoid mind playing
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado tricks. And honestly.........you are really of no interest to us mona
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so why are you here......it is just so easy to watch you burst a vein.
Where you not aware this is a privite site that requires an

invitation. Why don't you take your fight to the owners and other
mods. Get rid of forums that allow for officers like ask a cop and
bridge the gap. Ban anyone who talks pro police or bashs any
copwatcher. Get rid of the forums like unregistered. Hey....we want
a site where only copwatch view points show.....make one. Don't
create a site where you seem to want police involvement and
opposing views if you really don't want it.
Plenty of pro-cop forums mona find one if you don't like our point of
view. It was you who tried to shut down our forum and failed and
this is why you are here harassing us.
So tell us stupid why did the copster ban you from their forum? No
one banned you from this forum yet you whine about our forum
why is this mona?
For a mod.....seems to me that your issues are with

"management".....so take them there.
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GOD COP I don't think Dumbcan is that bright. I also don't think that he is so
Senior Member stupid as to not be able to safely handle a firearm. If his criminal
history doesn't prevent him from owning firearms, I also have no
problem with that. I do wonder about his mental health though.
Truly, he can't be as silly as he presents himself on this forum.
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Registered: May 2004 I don't think Dumbcan is that bright. I also don't
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Posts: 1744 safely handle a firearm. If his criminal history
doesn't prevent him from owning firearms, I also
have no problem with that. I do wonder about his
mental health though. Truly, he can't be as silly
as he presents himself on this forum.
Why don't you take a look in the mirror at yourself copster. You
have a lot of room to be talking.
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Moderator able to safely handle a firearm. Even if his criminal history doesn't
prevent him from owning firearms, I would still have a problem with
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It's funny, but the F.B.I. teaches a speech and
writing recognition course. I have been to it.
Did the F.B.I. teach you how to burn down a

compound full of people and get away with a
mass murder as well?
Janet Nero and John A$$kick are gone now.MM

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What's this whole posse comitatus thing again?
Multiple goon squads on a cluster****.:confused:

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position and disregard their oath and commit crimes under the
"color of law". Those of us that try to live the code day to day view
these excuses for human beings as worse than any criminal we
have ever dealt with. Fortunately they are the exception rather than
the rule. But, just as in any other endeavor, the negative is always
more vivid and remembered much longer than the positive. That is
just how it is and there is no changing it.
11-17-2004 04:39 AM
duncan Well gee stupid that never stopped the nazi's from breaking the law
Moderator down in waco did it?
Registered: Jul 2003 They used the US Army to kill veterans way back int he 1920's to
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duncan The Texas National Guard was at Waco p8g along with Delta Force,
Moderator thus a violation of the law that you love to tout.
Registered: Jul 2003 You can do your own search engine on the "Bonus March" and read
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado about how the US Army was used to kill veterans who were
Posts: 9006 conducting a peaceful protest in D.C..
And then there was the "Ludlow Massacre" were the state militia
was used to break up striking miners in Ludlow, Colorado.
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OK....For one thing the Texas National Guard is not the US Army....
that is the first time I have heard that Delta Force was there or any
special forces for that matter. As far as a "law that you love to tout"
I was merely answering someones question and I'm fairly postive
that this is the first time I have ever mentioned that particular
law.....much less touted it.
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duncan F8ck you ya lying sack of sh8t.

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The U.S. Army not only pays every asshole in the National Guard
Registered: Jul 2003 they also control the National Guard. It is the US Army that sent
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the National Guard to Iraqi and if this isn't army ya stupid f*cking
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You f8cking swine break the law every chance you get and think
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Texastwister1 Where do police departments find these moron cops?

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monaliveson Texas
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duncan You can find most of them in Mona's bedroom getting a free blow
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11-19-2004 05:22 PM

duncan she is a real live copsucker

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Funny you said that Mona troll. Who was it you said you voted for?
Could it had been a Texan?
Don't even try to play me troll. Your not going to win.
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Wasn't it a Texan that you were supporting this election year?
Godcop, You and Mona belong together.
11-19-2004 10:17 PM
duncan Mona commited an oxy-moron and voted for a Texan.

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Repukelicans find their morons in Texas and then run them for
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Repukelicans find their morons in Texas and then
run them for president.
snicker
How do you feel about Ducan's post, TT?
11-20-2004 08:41 PM
monaliveson boys, boys, boys.........

Movin' on (B)
Duncan............grow some balls.
Tex........it was joke.......do you know what that is?
Registered: Oct 2004 You both are just mad because I won't give you a blowjob no
Location: matter how much you keep begging me to.
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11-20-2004 10:24 PM
duncan More importantly depsh8t how does he feel about your psot and the
Moderator fact that mona is a stupid bitch?
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Duncan is the copwatch master. I know he didn't mean anything by

his comment about Texas to me.
11-21-2004 04:25 PM
monaliveson awwwwwwwww....isn't that just so sweet.....Tex and Duncan have

Movin' on (B) an understanding......I just love to see people get along......

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duncan awwwwwwwww....isn't that just so sweet.....mona and the P8gs

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Texastwister1 Mona continues to stalk Duncan and XT.

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11-23-2004 12:33 PM
duncan What was the title of that movie with Glenn Close and Micheal
Moderator Douglas where this guy has sex one time with some psyco bitch and
then she stalks him?
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PPB8881 I have family in texas a cousin with Harris County sheriff's office.
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duncan You don't have any family why else would you post on Thanksgiving
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You don't have any family why else would you
post on Thanksgiving day?
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Why did you post on Thanksgiving day Duncan????????
Maybe some of us were killing time before heading out to family

and friends. What were you doing???????
11-26-2004 03:14 PM
starsky Can't we all get along?

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I am sure Texas is a fine state.
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11-26-2004 06:18 PM
monaliveson Great comeback Starsky......love it. Texas is a very nice state, I

Movin' on (B) have relatives there. I hear they are getting nailed with some bad
tornados right now.....how you are ok Tex......and I actually meant
that believe it or not.
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monaliveson Go Exterminator go...........you are my hero.........give them

Movin' on (B) heck......

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how about that one guy posting copsters SS#'s on our forum?
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How about that ass whopping I gave that f8cking judge ?
hahhahahahhahahahaha
I win and you p8gs lose
hey mona get yer own f8cking website and stop leaching off of ours
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PPB8881 Duncan you old fat dickless coastie reject shut you fukin mouth
Member whore. Oh I almost forgot have a nice day in Alberts A$$hole.

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11-27-2004 08:58 AM
duncan spoken like a true p8g lover

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cases but I wouldn't call it a serious problem.
Of course, I am sure there is a lot that goes
unreported. It usually involves online
pedophiles looking for victims.

God Cops town has only one internet ready computer and that
Posts: 9967 is at the local library. The cops line up there waiting for their
turn at checking out the latest baby porn.
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GOD COP Yes, Hampton Roads Va. has one library for us coppers. Shhh. The
Senior Member internet detective will now deduce that I am part of some
department in that area!
Nice try Albert but you are just flapping your gums.This is also
known as South Eastern Va.!
You have probably done a check on my I.P address through one of

the many search engines. I can tell you now that the area is
correct but the city isn't!
Do you think that when you post all those links that many don't
know you have access to those I.P.'s?

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like yer fellow criminal matt the thug?
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that criminal is f8cking history just like the moron from Bridgeport
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Texastwister1 What in hell is wrong with you copsters?

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Everyday I read the news storys that Nav. posts here on copwatch.
Registered: May 2004 All the killings, the beatings, the rapes, stealing, robbing, ect,ect.
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Dont you copsters know that todays copsters are not going to
continue to get away with the crimes they commit? Why do you
cops keep trying to do this? I read this stuff and it make just sick.
No wonder why nobody trusts the police now days. Then you cops
try to fight us here on copwatch with our mission to expose criminal
police officers. Do you cops have any idea how that looks in the
publics eye?
The days of the so called badass cops are over.

I do wonder why when a story of a criminal cop is exposed here on

copwatch, you copsters are very quiet and most of the time dont
reply to those threads. You copsters would rather continue to attack
me, Duncan and Al. I just dont get it.
10-19-2004 05:15 PM
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Dont you copsters know that todays copsters are
not going to continue to get away with the crimes
they commit? Why do you cops keep trying to do
this? I read this stuff and it make just sick.
No wonder why nobody trusts the police now

days. Then you cops try to fight us here on
copwatch with our mission to expose criminal
police officers. Do you cops have any idea how
that looks in the publics eye?
I do wonder why when a story of a criminal cop is

exposed here on copwatch, you copsters are very
quiet and most of the time dont reply to those
threads. You copsters would rather continue to
attack me, Duncan and Al. I just dont get it.
The cops that commit these crimes should be caught and

prosecuted to the fullest extent. The only problem I see is that
most people on this site do not think that they are any good cops
out there.
To post the crimes of cops is great, the reason there isn't much
response to the threads is because there is no defense for these
cops. But to say that all cops are bad because you post some bad
stories, is to say that all private citizens are bad because of crime
stories posted on other news sites.
TT, I haven't seen very many personal attacks against you on this
site. Now Duncan and Al, that is a different story. You seem to be
very reasonable and can admit that cops are not always bad.
Duncan and Al come on here and spew there BS just to get a war
started. Duncan has said numerous times that if a cop comes to his
house he will blow their brains out........BS we all know that he will
bow down and do what he is told.

I personaly feel that cop crime has decreased since the media and
copwatchers are on every corner with cameras. Years ago when the
cops were "old school" the violence was much worse. There just
wasn't anyone there to catch them.
TT, what do you think, is the cop crime worse now or years ago?
10-19-2004 06:13 PM
duncan So how come they haven't caught and prosecuted you P8g?
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You come to our forum and spew out your crap p8g.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado This isn't your forum and you were never invited here. Like all p8gs
Posts: 9006 you intrude into others lives and then demand total and absulote
submission and agreement with your point of view. You choose to
ignore the facts, different ideas of others and the criminal acts of
yer fellow swine as these things make you look stupid and prove
the fact that society has no use for copsters. You swine are more
trouble than you are worth.
Can you show us the service?
If it is a forced service then it not a service at all. It is in fact

nothing more than fascism plain and simple end of discussion. If
you are a copster who supports shoving an unwated service down
our throats to the point that you would arrest or kill us then yes you
like the rest of your fellow swine are all bad copsters.
You can f8ck off and die nazi.
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Posts: 44 and absulote submission and agreement with my
point of view. You choose to ignore the facts,
different ideas of others
Thanks for posting your biography Duncan.

You can just give up, because you will never win. The cops will
always have you just where they want you.
Matt, could you please make your puppet Duncan shut up now.
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Now Duncan and Al, that is a different story.
You seem to be very reasonable and can admit
that cops are not always bad.

Location: Chicago, Illinois I see how conveniently you have overlooked the many posts in
Posts: 9967 which I specify the difference between a pig and a police officer.
How convenient. We will just add this one to your over-flowing

dumpster of lies.
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I see how conveniently you have overlooked the
many posts in which I specify the difference
between a pig and a police officer.
I will start looking now, Al.I haven't had a chance to read all of
yours yet. Sometimes we are all a little quick to judge. I think you
will agree with that and will put yourself in that catergory. My
apologies to you Al.
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I will start looking now, Al.I haven't had a chance
to read all of yours yet. Sometimes we are all a
little quick to judge. I think you will agree with
that and will put yourself in that catergory. My
apologies to you Al.
Don't look too hard. Al only started to make this claim of disliking
only the bad officers recently after he was called out on it. He is like
any other convict. He blames the police for his problems.

10-20-2004 02:41 AM
Matt1 Re: What in hell is wrong with you copsters?

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Everyday I read the news storys that Nav. posts
here on copwatch. All the killings, the beatings,
the rapes, stealing, robbing, ect,ect.
Dont you copsters know that todays copsters are

not going to continue to get away with the crimes
they commit? Why do you cops keep trying to do
this? I read this stuff and it make just sick.
No wonder why nobody trusts the police now

days. Then you cops try to fight us here on
copwatch with our mission to expose criminal
police officers. Do you cops have any idea how
that looks in the publics eye?
The days of the so called badass cops are over.
I do wonder why when a story of a criminal cop is

exposed here on copwatch, you copsters are very
quiet and most of the time dont reply to those
threads. You copsters would rather continue to
attack me, Duncan and Al. I just dont get it.
Why the change in attitude for this section of the forum TT? I
thought this was initiated for people to ask officers for advice if they
wanted it. Read the description of this section on the forum main
page again to see what I am talking about. Topics like these should
be left for other sections.
I hesitate to offer any helpful advice to people who ask for it

because you, Duncan and Al will jump in and try to start the same
old name calling crap again. I (and from what I have seen of other
officers) have never offered any advice trying to get somebody in
trouble either on this site or anywhere else.
Here is the description on the main page:
A number of police officers are regular participants. We can't vouch

for the validity or wisdom of any advice they offer, but in the
interests of promoting mutual understanding, we make available
this venue. See "The Arena" for contrasting responses.

10-20-2004 03:49 PM
duncan I the cop intrude into others lives and then demand total and
Moderator absulote submission and agreement with my point of view.
You choose to ignore the facts, different ideas of others
Registered: Jul 2003 posted by the *** and thanks for the admission stupid
Posts: 9006 why have you intruded into our home p*g?
your in our home p8g thus you are the intruder now show us where
I the freedom fighter have gone onto your forum and into your
home.
I don't see a link thug why no link ?
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duncan We can't vouch for the validity or wisdom of any advice they
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10-20-2004 04:43 PM
Matt1 What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Off your meds again?
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duncan What the hell are you talking about thug? Off your meds
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10-21-2004 02:36 PM
PPB8881 That's Duncan's picture Matt, I thought he was much smaller.

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10-21-2004 06:38 PM
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10-21-2004 09:42 PM
Texastwister1 Re: Re: What in hell is wrong with you copsters?

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I personaly feel that cop crime has decreased since the
media and copwatchers are on every corner with
cameras. Years ago when the cops were "old school"
the violence was much worse. There just wasn't anyone
there to catch them.
TT, what do you think, is the cop crime worse now or
years ago? [/B]
Thats kinda hard for me to answer. The truth is. I want to believe in
my heart that there are still some good police officers out on the
streets. I want to also believe they are police officers for the right
reasons.
To answer your question. I didn't give cops much of a thought untill

I became a victim of police abuse. The first time when I was still a
teen. A Texas state trooper put a bullsh8t DUI charge on me that
was just not true. I was able to let that one go over the years. It
was my word against his and my family didn't have the money to
help me fight it.
The second time was when I ran into a po-dunk town cop that was
fishing for a dope case. This is how I found copwatch. This guy pulls
me over for a light out on my vehicle. I was sober. I dont have any
history. I dont use drugs. Hell, I was drinking coffee. This copster
put me through pure hell on the side of the road. I like to refer my
run in with this p8g as Terror on the Texas highway. I will never
forget the feeling of fear this thug put me through for no reason
other than he had a slow week and needed an arrest. I was just
waiting for him to do a plant job on me.
This traffic stop lasted more than 45 mins. Over a headlight. I had
no warrants. (hits) All clear.
Since this happend to me for the second time in my life. I have no

respect for cops anymore. I didnt get like this overnight.

I would also like to add that I own my own auto repair business and
have been at the same location since 91. Untill my run in with this
thug. It has always been my shop policy to provide free of charge
labor for police officers on their personal vehicles that patrol in the
area of my business. I would only make them pay for parts, and
would provide the parts at my cost at that. I did this because I
knew cops dont make very much money and It was my way of
saying thank you for keeping an eye on the place, and all the ride
alongs, ect,ect.
This all changed about 6 months ago.
Today I look at cops as a total joke. A waste of taxpayer money, a

bunch of worthless thugs. I will never feel that fear again like I did
on that Texas highway. I want a cop to step on my rights. I will sue
the sh8t out of their department.
See what one thug cop has caused for many, complaints whenever
for whatever I can. No more free auto repair. No more nothing from
me. Ever. I want my money back. I feel like kicking myself in the
ass for all the years of favors and several thousands of dollars
worth of work myself and my employees did for local LEOs.
They made me into a copwatcher. They did this to themselfs.
Like the old saying goes. "sh8t on me once, shame on you. Sh8t on
me twice, shame on me"
Like I said. Screw with me copster. "Ill be your huckelberry"
10-22-2004 04:31 AM
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Thats kind hard for me to answer. The truth is. I
want to believe in my heart that there are still
some good police officers out on the streets. I
want to also believe the are police officers for the
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It's a shame that you were treated that way and if I had been I

would probably feel the same way you do. Unfortunately there are a
lot of cops that get into police work for the "right" reasons but a
small minority of them that keep that attitude after a few years.
And by the "right" reasons I mean the true desire to contribute to
the community, help people, be a positive role model...all the cliche
things that cops should live up to.
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duncan And before you decide to contribute first ask if anyone wants you to.
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Like asking if you are wanted on a forum.
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Posts: 9006 people alone instead of meddling otherwise you piss people off and
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10-22-2004 10:27 AM
Texastwister1 This terror on the Texas highway has put me in the funk. The whole
Senior Member thing just made me sick. Today I still cant believe this happend to
me. I have done so much for my community and never asked for
Registered: May 2004 anything in return.
Location:
Posts: 1744 I dont have enough fingers on my hands to count how many police
officers have said how sorry they are about this thugs actions.
Thats nice and all, But if they are really sorry. They will start
breaking balls against the other copsters they work with that give
them a bad name in the publics eye and not keep covering their
dirty asses.
Remember officer. Its a sh8tty deal but when one of your own
screws up. It makes all of you look bad. We as the public depend on
you good police officers to bring down criminal cops.
I see it like this. If one of your coworker copsters commits a crime

and you (the good officer) does not turn him in. Your just as bad as
he is. Thus makes you a bad officer as well.
10-22-2004 12:19 PM
lawdawg Your absolutely right in that those who turn a blind eye to an
Member officers corruption are just as bad as they are. I can tell you from
experience though, that road is a lot tougher than most people
think. Several years ago I witnessed another officer beating a
handcuffed prisoner and I did everything by the book. I took
custody of the prisoner and got him medical treatment, informed a
supervisor, and wrote a formal report to the chain of command
about what I had witnessed. You know what the results were....to
Registered: Oct 2004 the cop that beat the prisoner absolutely nothing. I don't even think
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he got a reprimand. There was no media coverage of the incident....
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nothing. For me it was several years of not having back up on calls,
and other officers talking behind my back that if this had been 10
years ago they would have taking me out back and kicked my ass.
It even got to the point that one night I was trying to arrest a guy
that was tweaking hard on meth and we ended up in a scuffle. As
I'm wrestling around with this guy trying to get him into custody I
look up and there are two other cops just standing there watching
with a **** eating grin on their faces. Needless to say I learned
how to take care of myself pretty damn quick. The only long term
outcome of this is that my career is pretty much at a stand still. I
can't get hired at a larger department because the word is still out
that I'm a rat. I'm surely not getting promoted at this department.
But you know what...I would do it again in a heart beat if the same

or similar situation ever comes up again. Most officers are

conformists and merely fall into line with whatever is going on
around them. The few of us that buck the status quo are silenced or
forced out of law enforcement all together.
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duncan Cop crime is up not down because we have more copster and more
Moderator laws than ever in my country.
Registered: Jul 2003 People are tired of the bullhs8t and all one needs to do is go to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado google and then see the thousands of anti-cops sites on the web.
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10-22-2004 05:36 PM
Texastwister1 These cops cant seem to understand this. The public does not like
Senior Member the way they are doing their job these days.
Registered: May 2004 They would rather just piss and moan about how bad they have it
Location: as a police officer.
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I like the cops having to wear a mic. I like the cops having a video
in their patrol car with a locked box for the tape in the trunk that
they cant open. I like the cops having tracking devices in their
patrol cars.
The day of the the so called badass cop is coming to an end.
10-23-2004 01:49 AM
lawdawg quote:
Member
These cops cant seem to understand this. The
public does not like the way they are doing their
job these days.
They would rather just piss and moan about how

Registered: Oct 2004 bad they have it as a police officer.
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I like the cops having to wear a mic. I like the
cops having a video in their patrol car with a
locked box for the tape in the trunk that they cant
open. I like the cops having tracking devices in
their patrol cars.
The day of the the so called badass cop is coming

to an end.

I hope I don't come off as pissing and moaning because that is not
my intention. I love my job and couldn't imagine doing anything
else. I get paid fairly well and the benefits are decent. The job is
definately interesting and regardless of what some people think I do
get to make a difference and make a contribution to the community.
Those of us that do our jobs correctly not only don't mind having
mics and cameras but we think they are a godsend. Not only does it
show how we do our jobs but it is also protection for us against the
citizens that make false complaints and alegations. Wouldn't mind
having GPS either if our department could afford it. Luckily we do
have the cameras in almost every car with the remote microphones
and locked tape boxes.
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10-23-2004 12:14 PM
PPB8881 If yer a copwatcher you suck ASS. This is my forum I own it now.
Member
I think I'll make a few changes around here starting with
Location: CA taking this stupid bull**** site and turning it into my personal
Posts: 590 playground. We all know that if the city doesn't want a playground
that they it.
MEET THE NEW CEO OF COPWATCH.COM

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10-23-2004 08:27 PM
GC Marciano Look at the desperate little wanna-be... She's trying act like a
Copwatcher Extraordinaire big girl now.
Go protect the candy isle, stupid.
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dep340 quote:
Member
Registered: Sep 2004 If yer a copster and you are posting on our forum
Location: thenyou are a whiner and a moaner.
Posts: 44
If your name is Duncan Philp you are the biggest whiner and
moaner that has ever lived. You must be proud of yourself Duncan.
No go hide in the corner and cry like the little b8tch that you are.
10-24-2004 06:12 AM
PPB8881
Member WHATEVER ALBERTA

Location: CA PPB
10-24-2004 01:39 PM
Rosie Since this is a copwatch site I think the point has more than been
Incompletely Registered - made that it is here to expose and discuss those individual officers
Possibly a SOL that break the law.
Registered: Sep 2004 I do not think it should be directed at law enformcement throughout
Location: the country. I like to see the news that NAV posts, it is good to
Posts: 99
know. If I were to post everything every criminal did to innocent
people and to officers, you would not have enough room on your
server.
Instead of just name calling and labelling, why not use this site to
provide information to those who feel wronged by LE. Provide links
to attorneys, help groups, local watchdog sites.
You can continue to debate, get mad, make jokes, call names etc
and as an internet site, have yourself a good time. Getting the info
out is one step and I see NAV doing that. Now, can you move pest
the petty fighting and into the community to provide the help and
position you speak of so strongly on the site.
I am sure some of you may already be doing that, but the rest here
who play in the forums, I think are just having some fun, nothing

wrong with that, just know that is all you are doing.
10-24-2004 04:37 PM
duncan Is this p8g still whining?

Moderator
It's bad enough you f*cking scumbags live off my wealth but you
Registered: Jul 2003 must come here to a private forum to insult me as well.
Posts: 9006 You bet I'm proud to be Duncan Philp the guy with the balls to take
on you nazi bastards and win. I'm proud to be a militiry veteran
who was f8cked over by nazi's like you. Proud to be a defender of
the Bill of Rights in defiance of swine like you. Proud to have won
20K from two of your fellow facist p8gs. Proud to be the exposer
the lies and double standards of welfare recipeints like you. Proud
to help people sue copster and get copsters fired form their welfare
jobs.
Proud to post my name, Duncan Philp, on the copwatch forum.

Proud to stand behind my name, Duncan Philp, while a coward like
you hides from me, Duncan Philp, behind his PC like a scared little
girl.
Yer a f8cking joke copster.
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Darryl As a person who backed law enforcement all of his life, I will add
Senior Member my thoughts.
I am very leary of law enforcement, and have backed HONEST cops
Registered: Jul 2003 in a few battles and lost, as a matter of fact i am helping one right
Location: now or trying to. That means my money and my time not taxpayers
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money.
The bulk of you cops or all of you cops do not spend one dime of
your money on nothing you just collect.
Matt the human stud Have you read the book I suggest to you?? I
will even send it to you, as I told you.
The truth is not going to come from a corrupt goverment, who are
your bosses.
XT wrote one time that you all work for Satan, none of you have a
clue what he is talking about.
If you seek the truth the answers is there, if you want to be swine
and bury your head in the hole then do it.
10-25-2004 04:21 AM
Texastwister1 And the truth will set them free.

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Texastwister1 They will never admit it though.

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10-26-2004 04:37 AM
Texastwister1 The saga continues. I can't help but wonder why so many cops
Senior Member think they are above the law? Those days of dirty harry are long
gone. The public is keeping close tabs on todays police officers, as
Registered: May 2004 they should. But yet cop crime continues to rise.
Location:
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me want to puke. In some strange way I guess my run in with a
fishing po dunk town redneck cop was the best thing that could
have happended to me. Boy did it open my eyes.
Todays cops have put this jacket on themselfs, and all they can do
is piss and moan about how the public has little to no respect for
them.
11-18-2004 01:21 PM
Exterminator Sooooooooooooo Darryl! tell us about you so called backing of Law

Senior Member Enforcement? What'd you do that reinforced or backed any of us up?
Registered: Apr 2004 The answer is = NOTHING!

Location:
Posts: 400 Now like a good crack head and meth freak hurry along to your
next trailer park! Maybe you can roon with Titty Twister!
11-26-2004 09:14 PM
monaliveson Dang.......you mean business......go for it.

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duncan I see termite inspector still can't debate.

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Matt1 Funny stories?

Senior Member
Since this is the Ask a Cop section, I figured I would ask other
Registered: Feb 2004 officers for some of their funny stories. I will start off with one of
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A few weeks ago a lady called and said a man was banging on the
front door of her house. She had also been getting harassing phone
calls from the guy. While I am there he calls again. I answer the
phone and tell the guy he is not welcome at the house and he is no
longer to call her.
The guy is drunk off his ass and I get the impression he did not
believe he was talking to an officer. I have the dispatcher start
calling some of the bars he visits to see if I could find him and tell
him in person. When the dispatcher finds out where he is she tells
the bartender that I would be coming to speak with him.

The bartender must have tipped him off and told him to leave.
When I am on my way to the bar I see him on his bike riding his
ass off. I do a U turn in the street and pull up beside him. At first he
will not stop so I pull my car in front of him. I get out of my car and
tell him to get off the bike.
When I am cuffing him, another officer walks up. About that time I
get a strong whiff of sh!t and look at the other officer thinking he
farted when he walked up. I then realized it was not the officer. I
ask the guy I am dealing with if he sh!t his pants. He said nothing
and only hung his head. I asked him again if he did and he said "it
feels like it." I told him it smelled like it and put a blanket down in
my car hoping the turd would not find its way down his pant leg
and onto the floor of my car.
Next time I will post the story about the time when I tricked
another officer and caused him to piss on himself.
09-24-2004 12:36 AM
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When the dispatcher finds out where he is she
tells the bartender that I would be coming to
speak with him.

Location: Chicago, Illinois Brilliant move on her part, eh?
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Matt1 I actually didn't mind. I had no intention of arresting the guy at first.
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09-24-2004 03:45 AM
GOD COP I think after the guy crapped his pants, I would have cleared the
Senior Member call "unable to locate"! I used to have a 400 pound female that was
very freindly toward me. Other officers would go to arrest her and
she would just stare at them and smile. Finally, one would ask
"Why are you smiling?". About that time ,she would say "I was
peeing". Pants and socks and all. If I had a roof rack, Iwould have
strapped her ass to the top. I was lucky though, she always
behaved for me.
It's not like there isn't blood,vomit,feces or other traces of nasty,

nasty stuff in the rear of some police cars anyway. Think about
that the next time a family member gets in an accident and has to
sit in the back. I did have a homeless guy and his eye popped out
while he was in the back seat. It was artificial. Still scared the crap
out of me!
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bad1 These are the extra "benefits" of the job that they dont tell you
Senior Member about. lol
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Location: Georgia-Home of
LIAR Trooper Woody Rogers
Why am I here?
Posts: 701 Because Georgia State Trooper Woody Rogers-a known liar-is still
out on the roads of Georgia with a badge!
TFC Woody Rogers

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09-24-2004 01:08 PM
Ghost I spent several years working the late shift. One night, my partner
Member and I were sent to handle a "rollover" accident. Off we went, lights
and siren. When we pull up, we found a rusty old Blazer laying on
Registered: Jul 2004 it's roof.
Location:
Posts: 29 My partner called for a Med unit, while I ran up to check the driver.
I found the driver upside-down, strapped in place by his seat belt. I
yelled to him, "Hey! Are you okay? Are you hurt?!"
The driver blinked a few times, then turned to me and said, "What
the hell are you pulling me over for?! I wasn't speedin'!"... then
says, "Heyyyyy... how come you're upside down?"
He's completely wasted. I told him not to move, that an ambulance

was on it's way, but he wouldn't listen. He wasn't injured in the
crash, but did get a bump on his head when he popped the seatbelt
buckle.
09-25-2004 12:15 AM
Matt1 I went to a call of two suspicious men walking down the rail road
Senior Member tracks on a midnight shift. I responded with two other officers and
the guys ran from us. We found two guys sitting on the front porch
Registered: Feb 2004 of a house who we suspected were the ones that ran.
Location:
Posts: 1818 We decided not to make the arrest and go back to the tracks to
continue looking incase there were more people involved. I tell the
other guys that we will sit in the tall weeds near an abandoned
building and see if anyone was hiding.
One of the guys needs to take a piss real bad and decides to walk
back into the weeds and piss near the building. The other officer
and myself decide we are going to have some fun with him. We
both yell "there they go" and take off running for about 40-50 feet.
We stop and turn around just in time to see the officer who was
taking a piss come running out of the weeds trying to zip up his
pants. After he sees that we are laughing our asses off he stops
running. He then tells us that he had to try and cut it off in mid
stream but was not able to keep from pissing down his leg.
09-25-2004 12:32 AM

GOD COP Some dirty bastard used to apply pepper spray to the door handles
Senior Member in the mens bathroom. I guess you can figure out what happened
when it came into contact with the ol' genatalia. Whole lotta cops
hoppin' around.
Nothing like the interstate wreck where the drunk guy swears
"That bitch backed up into me!"
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Some dirty bastard used to apply pepper spray
to the door handles in the mens bathroom. I
guess you can figure out what happened when
it came into contact with the ol' genatalia.
Whole lotta cops hoppin' around.

Absolutely splendid idea!
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GOD COP I figured you would get a kick out of that one.
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10-01-2004 12:56 AM
thief Rolled my stomach when I read this post.

Junior Member Don't see how you guys tolerate something that nasty. (shivering)
roject:
Hats off to you for dealing with the worst society has to offer.:
goodjob:
LMAO ..... Why do you men feel the need to play such evil jokes on

each other?:
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 25 __________________
Do you understand or will you ever understand the mind of the one
who is too fully aware of the realities of life?
My point is to delight, alarm, amuse, inform and even outrage
readers.
10-02-2004 08:14 PM

GOD COP It gets worse. I had to help the medics load a guy into the
Senior Member ambulance from his wheelchair. All I knew was that he was diabetic
and had some circulation problems. He smelled pretty bad and said
he hadn't been out of the chair in a few days because he and his
mother were involved in a domestic dispute and she was
responsible for caring for him. When we lifted him from the chair,
there was some rotten flesh and "bed sores" that were exposed to
the air. There was no difference in the way he smelled and a week-
old dead body. Well, one of the guys I was with got the bright idea
to run him for warrants. He came back with a warrant on file!.
Suddenly, the medics wanted me to transport! They eventually
transported him because it was a medic call. Thank goodness1
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GC Marciano Hope he went to jail. Sounds like a dangerous man. Good job
Copwatcher Extraordinaire keeping society safe!
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Matt1 quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2004 When we lifted him from the chair, there was
Location: some rotten flesh and "bed sores" that were
Posts: 1818 exposed to the air. There was no difference in the
way he smelled and a week-old dead body.
I don't think I have ever smelled anything worse than bed sores.
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