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November12th,2011,03:10AM #1

Afghanistanbeforethewars

Iwonderifanyonehasanyknowledge,oranysourcesonwhatAfghanistan
waslikebeforeallthewarsofthe20thcenturybeforetheTaliban,before
theSoviets.

I'mgiventobelievethatKabulinthe60sand70swasquitealiberalplace,if
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notthemostmodernplaceintheworld,butatthetime,thecountrywas
generallystable.Itevenhadanoperatinginternationalairline(Ariana),
partlyownedbyPanAm.
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Iwouldbeinterestedinknowingmoreaboutthecountrypriortoits
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November12th,2011,03:27
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Kabulwasliberalindeed,restofthecountrynotsomuch.Somepicsfrompre
SovietKabul

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Howevertherestofthecountrywasmorebackwardandpoorer.InKhaled
Hosseinis"KiteRunner",ifiremembercorrectlyinoneofthelastchapterswhen
theprotagonistAmirreturnstoAfghanistanandisdrivingthroughtheAfghan
countryside,heclaimstohistaxidriverthatthewarhascausedsomuch
devastationtotheAfghanpeople,towhichthetaxidriverrespondswhatdoyou
knowoftheAfghanpeople,yourichpeoplelivinginKabulneverknewwhat
ordinaryAfghanswere...

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November12th,2011,03:28AM #3


IthinksoNaomasa.I'vereadthatKabulwasquiteliberalduringthe5060's,
thiswasageneraltrendinalltheMuslimworld.

Anicevideonthoseyears:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHieyVZMKfY&feature=related]Once
UponATimeKabulAFGHANISTANBeforeTheWarsYouTube[/ame]
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November12th,2011,03:45AM #4

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DaoudKhan

TherootsoftodayssituationwerelayedwhenDaoudKhan,deposedtheKing
andhiscousin,ZahirShahdeclaringa"republic".Hemovedclosertowards
theSovietsinitially.Thecommunistswithinhisfactionwantedhimtomove
evencloser.Thingsthenwentbadwhenhestartedarresting/killingleadersof
thecommunistgroups(MirAkbarKhyber,BabrakKamaletc)ashebecame
paranoidoftheirintentions.AllofthisculminatedintheSaurrevolution
whichbroughtthecommuniststopowerinaconservativecountry

November12th,2011,05:12AM #5


I'veJUSTreadtheKiteRunnerinmyclass,andfromthedescriptionof
thebookKabulwasquiteliberal,andprettycooltoo!

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November12th,2011,06:13AM #6

Quote:

OriginallyPostedbyShaheen
DaoudKhan

TherootsoftodayssituationwerelayedwhenDaoudKhan,deposed
theKingandhiscousin,ZahirShahdeclaringa"republic".Hemoved
Naomasa298
ShoRyuKen
closertowardstheSovietsinitially.Thecommunistswithinhisfaction
wantedhimtomoveevencloser.Thingsthenwentbadwhenhe
startedarresting/killingleadersofthecommunistgroups(MirAkbar
Joined:Apr2010 Khyber,BabrakKamaletc)ashebecameparanoidoftheirintentions.
AllofthisculminatedintheSaurrevolutionwhichbroughtthe
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communiststopowerinaconservativecountry
Yorkshire

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ThanksShaheen.

Iknowalittlebitaboutthepoliticsofwhatledtothewars,buttobehonest,
I'mmoreinterestedinwhatthesocietywaslike.

Weseealotofradicalisationnowadaysinamongstthepoor.Isawashort
documentaryrecentlythatfollowedanAfghanfarmerwhosaidthatthings
werebetterundertheTalibanbecausehecouldmakemoremoneygrowing
poppies,nowhecanbarelyaffordtosendhischildrentoschool.

SoIwonderifthingsreallywerebetterbeforethewars,andifAfghanistan
wouldhavebeenabetterplacetodaywereitnotforthem.

November12th,2011,07:27AM #7


Quote:

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ThanksShaheen.

Iknowalittlebitaboutthepoliticsofwhatledtothewars,buttobe
honest,I'mmoreinterestedinwhatthesocietywaslike.
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Weseealotofradicalisationnowadaysinamongstthepoor.Isawa
shortdocumentaryrecentlythatfollowedanAfghanfarmerwhosaid
Joined:May2011
thatthingswerebetterundertheTalibanbecausehecouldmake
From:Sweden moremoneygrowingpoppies,nowhecanbarelyaffordtosendhis
Posts:2,357 childrentoschool.

SoIwonderifthingsreallywerebetterbeforethewars,andif
Afghanistanwouldhavebeenabetterplacetodaywereitnotfor
them.

Ohyeah,preSovietAfghanistanwasdefintelybetterthanallthesubsequent
AfghanistansincludingTaliban,Communistetc.EventheTajiksandHazaras
willgiveyouthatbecauseeventhoughtheyhadlittlesayinhowthecountry
wasrun,atleasttherewaspeace.

Itwouldhavebeeninterestingtoseehowthecountrywouldhavedeveloped
hadtherebeennocoupbyDaoudKhan.Maybetherelativeliberalattitudeof
Kabulcouldhaveextendedtothecountrysideasthefinancialstateand
standardoflivingofthecountryimproved.

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November12th,2011,08:03AM #8

Gary
Historian IfyouwantapictureoflifeinAfghanistanafterthe2ndWorldWartryA
ShortWalkintheHinduKush,byEricNewby.Writtenafterhisadventuresin
Joined:Jul2008 Afghanistanin1958,thebookisaproductofitstimeandNewdysattitudeto
theAfghansisanythingbutpoliticallycorrectbymodernstandards,butit
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dosgiveanimpressionofthecountrysideandthepeople.

November12th,2011,10:13AM #9


Quote:

OriginallyPostedbyGary
IfyouwantapictureoflifeinAfghanistanafterthe2ndWorldWar
tryAShortWalkintheHinduKush,byEricNewby.Writtenafterhis
adventuresinAfghanistanin1958,thebookisaproductofitstime
andNewdysattitudetotheAfghansisanythingbutpolitically
Naomasa298
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correctbymodernstandards,butitdosgiveanimpressionofthe
countrysideandthepeople.

Joined:Apr2010
Canyougiveashortsynopsisofwhathesays?Iwouldappreciateit.
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November12th,2011,10:53AM #10

Pavel
Suspendedindefinitely Idon'tmakeoutonething.Afghanistandoesn'thaveanyscarceresourcesor
somethingworth.Whythewholeworldpaysattentiontothiscountry?
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