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All pictures Daniel Castro Garcia, courtesy of John Radcliffe Studio.
Lesbos, Greece, November 2015. All pictures Daniel Castro Garcia, courtesy
of John Radcliffe Studios.
You could have just excluded them from the book, but you didnt, which is
honest of you.
I think this is an essential chapter in the book, since it offers my personal
reaction to what I was witnessing. I dont know if its auto-critique, or a way to
give the reader the opportunity to contrast them with the rest of the pictures
in the book. Yes, I could have suppressed them, but I think it was important. You
know, we are saturated with digital images: Instagram, Facebook anyone is
capable of taking good pictures. Maybe its like a little commentary about this
saturation paradigm also.
I think the book has succeeded because the project means something also for
the people portrayed; I mean Im grateful for the recognition, but its for them
that weve done it.
You wanted to get the book published before the Brexit vote. Why?
Yes, but we were aware that our influence would be pretty close to zero.
Nevertheless, the book (later) has gone much further from what we could have
imagined. The impact on the media has been amazing, a lot of publications which
Im a fan of featured it, and then the prizes, Paris Photoetc. You see that your
work is being accepted on a level you could have hardly imagined.
Since April 2015, Ive been working on this project 7 days a week, full time, and
Im not overstating it. It has changed my life. Ive sacrificed the work in my
industry (he used to work in the cinema industry as assistant director) and Im
almost penniless right now.
I think the book has succeeded because the project means something also for
the people portrayed; I talk with some of them regularly, on a daily basis with 3
of them. Weve sent part of the money of the prize to some of them who are
stranded in Sicily for 3 years now, who cannot work and have no cash, so they
cant pay the rent, send money to their families, or whatever they need. The
book doesnt even have our name on it, only the studios name I mean Im
grateful for the recognition, but its for them that weve done it, to represent
them in a more dignified way.
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Aly Gadiaga, Catania, Sicily, Italy, 2015. All pictures Daniel Castro Garcia,
courtesy of John Radcliffe Studios.
Do you think photography should provoke a change on a situation or conflict
you can eventually judge as unfair, like the one were dealing with here; or
do you rather believe it should just limit itself to describe, and in the best
scenario, help us understand it and the people involved?
For me photography can rarely be objective. The camera has its limitations. No
one except the photographer knows whats left outside the frame, and
therefore the concept of truth is compromised. Despite this, I also think that
photography has a brutal power for moving the publicthe Aylan Kurdi image as
an example. Nowadays, though, amid this visual saturation in which we live,
images increasingly struggle to do so. The public gets tired quickly.
As part of the BJPs prize, you get a solo show at Londons TJ Boulting
gallery, but this doesnt mean the project is finished yet. What do you have
in mind for its second stage?
Well, first of all, were currently struggling with the funding. The amount of the
prize goes directly to finance the exhibition, which I think gives us the
opportunity to present our arguments in a different format and means a step
forward for the project.
So were exploring ways to raise more money. Even so, weve already gone to
Lampedusa, Sicily, Rome and Marsella to record some footage that will be
included in the exposition. I am editing two short video films, which is really
where my audiovisual roots come from.
Later, the idea is to go back to Sicily. I have been granted full access to an
unaccompanied minors centre, where there are 15 sub-saharan boys, from 13 to
17 years old. So my plan is to stay there for a long time. If the scope of the
first stage of the project has been macro, in terms that it has covered the
crisis in almost all of its entire geographical extension, this would be much more
micro, much more focused. I would like to consider the position of these children
in all this conflict. What are they doing there, without having anything to do?
Which opportunities are they being offered, which risks are they facing? How is
the system that is taking care of them?
I would also like to keep working with Ali, a guy which I have known since I Peri
NTera, who is almost like part of my family now, so it starts to become a very
long term project. I think that both me and Thomas want to dedicate ourselves
to this at least for the next 5 years, or more! It would be incredible to be able
to look back and review a really large work on this issue.
Foreigner: Migration into Europe 2015-2016 is published by Mack Books.