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badpeanut (Aerospace)

19 May 10 17:19

What is the proper way to specify quality of a face gear?

AGMA 203.03 (withdrawn specification for face gear design) references AGMA 390.03 for
quality.However AGMA 390.03 has been replaced by AGMA 2000-A88 and AGMA 390.03a, and
further AGMA 390.03a has been replaced by AGMA 2009-B01 and AGMA 2011-A98.AGMA 2000-A88
definitely does not apply to face gears since "It provides a designation system for quality, materials,
and heat treatment of spur, helical (single or double), and herringbone gears."AGMA 2009-B01
appears to apply only to bevel gears and AGMA 2011-A98 appears to apply only to worm gears.

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Am I correct in assuming there are no active AGMA specifications for design or quality of face gears?
Should a person reference AGMA 390.03 for quality of a newly designed face gear?

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TVP (Materials)

20 May 10 12:07

I believe you are correct, that there is no active AGMA specification related to face gears.NASA and
Boeing have been doing some recent work on face gears for helicopter transmissions, so you may
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israelkk (Aerospace)

20 May 10 12:08

20 May 10 19:39

AGMA 390.03 gives accuracy tolerances for individual gears. I do not see any reason why not to adopt
and use AGMA 390.03 or AGMA 2000-A88 (same as 390.03 with added metric system). Basically you
can use any version of AGMA as long as it is clearly appears in the drawing and agreed with the
manufacturer. For face gears the best measuring system will be the use of master gears. You will
need a measuring machine that can mesh a face gear with a spur master gear.
tbuelna (Aerospace)

22 May 10 1:57

badpeanut,
If your face gear set is conventional, then the pinion is likely a spur gear.So establishing the pinion
tolerances for index errors, runout, profile, lead, etc. is generally based on the AGMA standard.
As for the face gear, you must specify the various tolerance requirements yourself and validate them
using a CMM or a master gear as israelkk suggests.The CMM will require an accurate surface model
of the tooth topology.
Face gears are notorious for heel/toe movement of the tooth contacts under load.So if your face

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gear mesh is highly loaded or has a high pitch line velocity, you'll likely want perform a TCA to
establish that your gears are performing properly.And if not, to help establish any face or profile
mods to correct the contact condition.A proper TCA naturally requires a very accurate, refined tooth
surface FEM, so once you have that modeled it can also be used for a CMM validation.
AGMA is currently working on a standard (AGMA 916-AXX) for face gears with perpendicular and
intersecting axes.
Good luck.
Terry
Anderson Precision Gears
High precision gears Helical, Hypoid, Bevel & Spur gears
www.apg-gears.com

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