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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (1 of 33), Read 604 times Conf: >> General

l From: TylerDurden tylerdurden9982@hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:35 PM Have a large social circle.
I was hanging with my alpha AFC friends
So we resort to picking up random girls on the street, which is GREAT for bootca
mp and sharpening skills in general.
But if you wanna focus on what's most efficient, why not just make alot of frien
ds? If you don't have the social intelligence (rapport skills, seeming cool, fun
, etc) to make friends, you probably don't have the social intelligence to picku
p and have sex with random girls. (this is a sweeping generalization, and there
are exceptions)
Anyway, this stuff is very obvious, but I was thinking how the focus on Newbie M
ission style skillset improvement might somewhat detract from the importance of
having lots of friends.
So for anyone not getting laid as much as they want to, maybe consider cutting y
our time sarging direct girls down to half, and then using that extra time to ju
st try to make friends with guys and ugly chicks (people with lower value, who w
on't interpret your friendiliness as trying to get sex), and then getting into t
heir social circles. See what happens. It's gotten me great results.
I'm not saying "don't sarge random girls anymore". Rather, just suggesting that
building a social circle will help to get you laid - especially when your skills
et you developed from all the random chicks will help you to game on these easie
r targets. Just think of its as group theory - befriend the set - without having
to actually use group theory to befriend the set as much.
-TD
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently, (2 of 33), Read 540 times Conf: >> General From: Twitch cmgf3@hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:56 PM I threw a party a month back to broaden my social base, although I did not close
anything at my party, I made a bunch of buddies, girls and males. Now I am bein
g invited to other parties, pick nicks and what not.
I am/was introverted but I do find that having constant communication with peopl
e makes the sarging easier. So to pigy-backing of TD's post, if you want to lose
your introverted tendencies, make friends, go out, even if it is with a bunch o
f AFC's and work on your people skills. Sitting in front of your computer by you
rself most the time is like a dieter trying to lose weight at a Krispy Kreams. I
MHO
/Girls are a journey, not a destination./
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently, (3 of 33), Read 484 times Conf: >> General From: TowerT mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 01:35 AM Twitch is dead-on with this, IMHO.
Example:
He's been in the city he currently lives in for two months. He's already
getting the social circle going and invites to parties. I've been in the
city I've been in for 3+ YEARS. I've spent most of my time working and
exercising...and on the Internet. I've only gotten an invite to four parties
(only two I attended and one was a cockfarm) in my home city. My success
with hooking up with FB's as an AFC has come from help from my circle of
friends in another city...and I generally feel better when I'm hanging with
said friends.
TowerT
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (4 of 33), Read 542 times Conf: >> General From: afcpua johnlamont@tennis.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:01 AM 10-15 a year? doesnt sound like afc too me. that's on
the GPUA level. how many gpuas on here are laying 15
a year?
this is how "players" operate. the have the same
"game" abilities as PUAs. they just practice it in different
situations. easier ones. since they are not in it for the
game rather for the company of women and to get
pussy they dont care. "players" dont care about if they
can PU a chick off the dancefloor without saying
anything. why would he do that when he can do it in a
much simpler manner?
this is where the difference between PUAs and players
lie.
so to become PUAs with a wider comfort zone one has
to be able to get good in ALL situations. including NON
stranger situations.
the player would improve his game by going to the bus
stop and try gaming a girl. he would probably fail worse
than an RAFC. he would be like WTF? how could she
SNUB me? it was never this hard with the friends of my
ex-gfs.
" the game don't wait but im so tight i can wait for the
game. "
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (5 of 33), Read 519 times Conf: >> General From: Manifestis3 bjmin3@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:37 AM guys who have friends,
i don't have many friends here cuz i was total introvert for 2 years and the nex
t year, i focuse all my time on trying to pick up random chicks with no social c
ircle...i do have aquaintances but not a clique or anything like that...
i wish i had that cuz cliques meet with other cliques and form crowds...i learen
d in my psyc classs...
anyways, this chick i closed called me today...i didn't set up a plan cuz she wa
s at someone else's house doing some shit for her club but she did tell me to se
e her at school since her club members were doin some anti-christ shit...anyhow,
my point is that some of the chicks i failed in seducing, is there a way i can
really be friends with them after fuckin up...i want to focus on knowing if i ca
n fuck her first, then if i can't...be friends...i know from my previous experie
nce, if a chick didn't like me, i didn't care about being friends...
but it's so much easier to hook up if u have a social circle cuz that's how almo
st everyone hooks up...any advice on how to make friends with these people if u
are not necessarily in the clique or group?
manifestis3
"live your reality..."
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (6 of 33), Read 515 times Conf: >> General From: Alessandro mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:47 AM On 5/14/03 12:01:00 AM, afcpua wrote:
>10-15 a year? doesnt sound
>like afc too me. that's on
>the GPUA level. how many
>gpuas on here are laying 15
>a year?
That is about how many times I got laid in MY ENTIRE LIFE.
>this is how "players" operate.
>the have the same
>"game" abilities as PUAs. they
>just practice it in different
>situations. easier ones.
>since they are not in it for
>the
>game rather for the company of
>women and to get
>pussy they dont care.
Correct. Becoming a PUA is an investigative process; it requires extensive sampl
ing and experimentation, gathering results and repeated trial an error.
What those guys are doing is nothing more than socializing; they are going with
the flow, conforming to the expected norm, and reaping the benefits of their eff
orts, along with the troubles of jumping artificial social hoops and reaching it
s bars.
PUAs OTOH have the luxury to lead their desired lifestyles, with all the benefit
s cast-aside for the hard-workers, but at the cost of constant research and obse
rvation.
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (7 of 33), Read 519 times Conf: >> General From: formhandle formhandle@fastseduction.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 01:07 AM TylerDurden wrote:
>Have a large social circle.
That's all great & everything, it tends to be much easier in college and LARGE w
ork/office environments. But most of the people (guys) I meet randomly are dicks
, and the people from this region tend to be judgmental "turf" protectors. So th
e primary way I'll meet chicks is PU. The friends I've known longest are almost
all married with a very small circle of friends (most of their friends even over
lap). Not to mention the lack of game... Also, I'd been an introvert most of my
life.
So, I'm not interested in spending months building social circles with people I
don't like just so I can use it as a tactic to get more pussy. I'd like to somed
ay move the hell out of this area, and then what? Build another huge circle of f
riends?
Look, you're in college. You're DAILY surrounded by droves of people around your
age with whom you already have built-in rapport (same college). 50% of those pe
ople are chicks. You also have a lot of "social time" that many guys don't have.
By "social time" I mean, even when you're in a class you're surrounded by poten
tial hook-ups. Your schedule isn't 9-5 M-F. Your level of responsibility in the
world is not very high (yet).
It just so happens you discovered this stuff and play it well at the perfect tim
e in your life. I can't disagree with what you say because you are, in effect, r
ight. However, the applicability of this for most guys to be able to just pick u
p and "go with" is limited, especially guys starting out with small social circl
es.
Then there is the issue of limited choice of KIND of chick which is going to be
on the fringe of the circle. How often will she be a chick you'd be interested i
n had you not met her that way?
>But if you wanna focus on
>what's most efficient, why not
>just make alot of friends?
I'm a people-hater. I fucking can't stand most people. Also, practically every s
hithead around here who'd be in any social circle worth getting to know (for acc
ess or chicks) can't talk about anything except sports or alcohol. If I'm going
to make "friends" with CHICKS as a means to expand my social circle, I'll just r
evert to PUing them because, well, chicks talk about stupid shit most of the tim
e and I would pull out my hair trying to be just friends with them.
HAHA, I sound like a freak. Really, I'm a normal guy but I have little patience
for small talk and BS. I'm VERY capable of making friends with people given all
kinds of circumstances but it just drains me to have to keep up with all of it.
Plus, I always seem to be so preoccupied.
I guess when I get some time & get back on my feet money-wise, I'll throw a part
y for a lot of my friends.. tell them each to invite 2-3 people. It will be a hu
ge energy drain but it's certainly not a bad idea.
I guess I just wish I was back in college. A *good* one though - the one I went
to, most of the chicks were freaky anti-social types. Like me :-) I went to an a
rt college, who would have guessed?
>Anyway, this stuff is very
>obvious, but I was thinking
>how the focus on Newbie
>Mission style skillset
>improvement might somewhat
>detract from the importance of
>having lots of friends.
My take on this is I have different friends in different circles, sometimes frie
nds overlap. But each circle is small. When I'm friends with people, I also tend
to be good friends with them, because I am very forgetful and probably wouldn't
even be able to keep track of more than 10 people at a time. To be friends wih
more takes a lot of time & energy. I don't have much bandwidth for it.
You guys are all my friends, I guess, LOL, but you're all over the country and s
omehow I think you'll be territorial over your chick options... pffffft
--
jay [formhandle@fastseduction.com]
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (8 of 33), Read 494 times Conf: >> General From: softcontrol sftcntrl@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 01:44 AM formhandle wrote:
> TylerDurden wrote:
> >Have a large social circle.
> That's all great & everything, it tends to be much easier in college and
LARGE
> work/office environments.
Interesting discussion shaping up here. Both of you guys are correct. TD's
style is perfect for college guys. And while formhandle might have a good
idea of what percentage of guys coming through here are HS vs college vs out
in the real world, my guess is that there is a sizable number of students on
this board. Still, it is good to keep in mind which methods work best for
which environments so that people don't get confused and try the wrong
techniques in the wrong places.
After seeing TD in action recently, the question I am asking is, "is there
anything to be learned from this type of approach for non-college guys?" To
some extent, I think the answer is yes. The basic prinicple is that a chick
always has a friend who is hotter than she is. So you can always trade-up,
in effect, by meeting a given chicks friends, and her friends' friends, etc.
While it true that friendship circles fall off dramatically after college
(you guys who are still in college won't beleive this until you see it for
yourselves), chicks always know other chicks. The question is how well and
will it be worth the effort to make the link.
Formhandle's point is that, in college, easy links are all over the place,
especially if you go out a lot. As you get older, the links get stronger and
deeper but there are less of them. How does this change things for the older
guys here? I think the first insight is that there is no point hanging out
with people you don't like. No matter how picky you are, you will find
people with common interests if you are put in some effort and are sociable.
I can understand what Jay is going through, though, since I went through a
similar stage myself where I just about hated everyone. Like Jay, I also
happened to be living in suburban Boston about that time. I don't think that
is coincidental.
> So, I'm not interested in spending months building social circles with
people I
> don't like just so I can use it as a tactic to get more pussy. I'd like
to
> someday move the hell out of this area, and then what? Build another huge
> circle of friends?
I don't know that you have to build a huge circle of friends or that you
should neccesarily spend months doing it. And you certainly shouldn't do it
just for pussy. You can just go PU for that. But there is a way you can
frame your meetings with chicks that is a little different from the
traditional ASF PUA "I'm here to fuck you" frame that I think can also be
effective. It's a little more open to friendship, but on your terms.
> I'm a people-hater. I fucking can't stand most people. Also, practically
> every shithead around here who'd be in any social circle worth getting to
know
> (for access or chicks) can't talk about anything except sports or alcohol.
I think you need to expand your social cirlces. I wouldn't consider ones
like that to be "worth getting to know."
> My take on this is I have different friends in different circles,
sometimes
> friends overlap. But each circle is small. When I'm friends with people,
I
> also tend to be good friends with them, because I am very forgetful and
> probably wouldn't even be able to keep track of more than 10 people at a
time.
> To be friends wih more takes a lot of time & energy. I don't have much
> bandwidth for it.
So define a new category, not quite a friend, but not yet a stranger. Sort
of like a pre-friend. Look at it as you screening the person to be your
friend.

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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (9 of 33), Read 462 times Conf: >> General From: formhandle formhandle@fastseduction.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 03:59 AM softcontrol wrote:
>...
>I can understand what Jay is
>going through, though, since I
>went through a
>similar stage myself where I
>just about hated everyone.
I like *some* people :-)
>Like Jay, I also
>happened to be living in
>suburban Boston about that
>time. I don't think that
>is coincidental.
I don't think it is either. After traveling a lot last year (expansion of my ide
a of what is possible where) and observing all the discussions coming from vario
us parts of the world, different perspectives, etc., I find that this area is do
wnright bad for someone's mental health over the long run. ...and I know by now
it's not a "grass is greener on the other side" feeling. It's an actual phenomen
a of disgruntled masses here & I have to live amongst these people ... blech! En
ough! In my future, I see: Montreal, LA, or Tokyo. My karma does not deserve thi
s punishing environment.
Don't get me wrong, though, there are some happy people in this area, and some n
ice people with good heads on their shoulders, and a constant flux of tourists i
n the warmer seasons (I love people from out of town - god bless them). The rest
of them? Garbage. Total parochial, puritanical blowhards with no imagination. T
ell me I'm wrong, softy :-)
>...
>go PU for that. But there is a
>way you can
>frame your meetings with
>chicks that is a little
>different from the
>traditional ASF PUA "I'm here
>to fuck you" frame that I
>think can also be
>effective. It's a little more
>open to friendship, but on
>your terms.
I don't know, though, I can't help but want to PU them. :-)
Seriously, maybe I'm the kind of person who needs help figuring out how to do th
is. I also need help figuring out how to organize my "people skills" better so t
hat I can, uh, "keep track" of a whole bunch of people without getting drained.
>So define a new category, not
>quite a friend, but not yet a
>stranger. Sort
>of like a pre-friend. Look at
>it as you screening the person
>to be your friend.
Hm... my rational side complete accepts this, but for some reason my gut is reje
cting it because all it can see is me talking to masses of people who, only minu
tes after interacting with them, maybe even seconds, I end up hating :-) Am I an
ti-social? I guess sometimes *I* get on people's nerves, or get moody, but I don
't treat people that way up front face-to-face. 5 minutes into talking to people
in this area, most of the time I'm thinking "this person is a total dope" or "I
can't believe the ignorant shit that just came out of that person's mouth". HAH
A, I am serious... but I almost *never* feel that way when I'm out of New Englan
d. Except for NYC - people are normal there.
--
jay [formhandle@fastseduction.com]
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (10 of 33), Read 462 times Conf: >> General From: gunwitch gunwitch187@charter.net Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:41 AM On 5/14/03 3:59:00 AM, formhandle wrote:
>Am I anti-social? I guess sometimes *I*
>get on people's nerves, or get moody,
>but I don't treat people that way up
>front face-to-face. 5 minutes into
>talking to people in this area, most of
>the time I'm thinking "this person is a
>total dope" or "I can't believe the
>ignorant shit that just came out of that
>person's mouth". HAHA, I am serious...
>but I almost *never* feel that way when
>I'm out of New England. Except for NYC
>- people are normal there.
Well ya know they always say, "people on the internet say things they never woul
d face to face". But who started the fire? I know half the shit said to me or ev
en said outloud on the net and especially ASF about seduction, an area im passio
nate about, would get me to say the things i do online back even if it was real
life at the least.
Its easy to think youre anti social cause of things that go on in newsgroups and
chats, easy to think youre hiding behind a screen, but ya know truth is that sa
me person you said what you did to thats something you wouldnt say in real life,
wouldnt have said what got you to say that in the first place in real life.
Its a circle that lacks courtesy at the least that newsgroups and chats breed. I
figure it makes me a BETTER person in the event someone cant keep something rud
e in their pants, yet doesnt deserve a beating in real life, keeps ya sharp, deb
ate skill wise.
"make the ho say no"
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (11 of 33), Read 351 times Conf: >> General From: formhandle formhandle@fastseduction.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:39 AM gunwitch wrote:
>Well ya know they always say, "people on
>the internet say things they never would
>face to face". But who started the fire?
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not talking about Internet stuff,
I'm talking real life here in NE. Still, 95% of the way I talk to people here is
how I am in real life, except I tend to be more civil up front in real life.
Soon, though, this place might very well BE my real life, LOL. I mean, this whol
e this is who & am & what I do, I just have to finish the transition so that all
the people I know in real life know what I do, and about this place. Most of th
em do already, there are just some crowds (secondary relatives, potential employ
ers) who I wouldn't divulge this to unless I was in a position to 100% not care.
--
jay [formhandle@fastseduction.com]
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (12 of 33), Read 293 times Conf: >> General From: parkblvd drrelyea@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 01:50 PM
Jay, you should try Silicon Valley! Now HERE there are a lot of people worth mee
ting! I haven't found them yet, though. I'm sure they're somewhere.
No seriously - I grew up in CT. I had that northeastern shyness about approachin
g people for a long time, and I still have that sarcastic tone when talking abou
t anything (people from the northeast do have an accent - it's called "cynicism"
). But aren't there a LOT of college girls in Boston? What I'm asking is, are th
e natives "puritanical blowhards," or is it the college girls, too?
I'm asking because I thought the Boston area would be great to move back to - I
hate people in silicon valley, LA is fine but I need real weather, and Boston ha
s a good music scene. You're describing all of the pub people, and I'm wondering
: aren't there others?
AND
Tyler's ideas are great for college, but as for adults, well, I don't care to ha
ng out with people with kids, or with most people older than 35 (a lot of people
on this board excepting). Plus, everyone with a "real" job is always a bit drai
ned, so whenever I meet them, I think, god, you're really dull. I'm sure they we
re cooler in college...
park
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (13 of 33), Read 118 times Conf: >> General From: softcontrol sftcntrl@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, May 15, 2003 01:05 AM
Damn, I am wasting so much time on this thread. I should be getting laid right n
ow...
formhandle wrote:
> I don't think it is either. After traveling a lot last year (expansion of
my
> idea of what is possible where) and observing all the discussions coming
from
> various parts of the world, different perspectives, etc., I find that this
area
> is downright bad for someone's mental health over the long run. ...and I
know
> by now it's not a "grass is greener on the other side" feeling. It's an
actual
> phenomena of disgruntled masses here & I have to live amongst these people
...
The Boston area is not known for good mental health. People there are known
for being cold and distant.
> rest of them? Garbage. Total parochial, puritanical blowhards with no
> imagination. Tell me I'm wrong, softy :-)
You are right, but don't call me softy. I am not an ice-cream cone.
> I don't know, though, I can't help but want to PU them. :-)
You can still PU them. In fact, you must. But instead of presenting this
hard-core alpha-male inseminator image, try something a little less
aggressive. Perhaps make it like sex is a given, but not a big deal. Act
like you want to make friends with them first, and that you are screening
them for what kind of friend they are going to be. Sex should just be a
natural part of hanging out with you, not something you have to push hard to
get to.
> Seriously, maybe I'm the kind of person who needs help figuring out how to
do
> this. I also need help figuring out how to organize my "people skills"
better
> so that I can, uh, "keep track" of a whole bunch of people without getting
> drained.
Let them keep track of you.
> Hm... my rational side complete accepts this, but for some reason my gut
is
> rejecting it because all it can see is me talking to masses of people who,
only
> minutes after interacting with them, maybe even seconds, I end up hating
:-)
What you imagine is what you make a reality. Imagine yourself meeting people
and finding a place for them. Think about what kind of relationship you
would really want with them.
> talking to people in this area, most of the time I'm thinking "this person
is a
> total dope" or "I can't believe the ignorant shit that just came out of
that
> person's mouth". HAHA, I am serious... but I almost *never* feel that way
when
> I'm out of New England. Except for NYC - people are normal there.
There is a reason why people call MA "Mass-o'-two-shits."
OK, here's my analysis:
The thing about the Boston area is that it is very class-conscious, far more
so than the rest of the country. According to Fussell's definition, Boston
is not only one of the few cities in the US that has a definable American
upper class (most only have upper-middle), it is also that class's spiritual
home and the place where it is most visible.
Most people probably don't realize just how important your address is in
Boston. Not only does neighborhood say a lot about class (again, far more
than in other cities), but even the street and block makes a difference.
Most of the interesting young people in Boston live in one of the trendy
areas like Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, Brookline, parts of JP, Arlington,
Allston, etc.
People who move out to the far 'burbs are generally married and looking to
build a family. Some people won't even make the move and will pay outrageous
prices for tiny condos and apartments to stay in the desirable areas. The
only people who hang out in the 'burbs are locals, and the generally means
lower classes. Rich people spend their time in the city, on the cape, or
traveling to other upper-class enclaves. Jay, maybe you should start
spending more of your time in those kinds of places. You'll probably meet
more interesting people that way.
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (14 of 33), Read 478 times Conf: >> General From: Twitch cmgf3@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 02:00 AM >So, I'm not interested in
>spending months building
>social circles with people I
>don't like just so I can use
>it as a tactic to get more
>pussy. I'd like to someday
>move the hell out of this
>area, and then what? Build
>another huge circle of
>friends?
>Look, you're in college.
>You're DAILY surrounded by
>droves of people around your
>age with whom you already have
>built-in rapport (same
>college). 50% of those people
>are chicks. You also have a
>lot of "social time" that many
>guys don't have. By "social
>time" I mean, even when you're
>in a class you're surrounded
>by potential hook-ups. Your
>schedule isn't 9-5 M-F. Your
>level of responsibility in the
>world is not very high (yet).
Um, shall I call you a WHAAAAAAMBULANCE?
>I'm a people-hater.
Nice frame.
I fucking
>can't stand most people.
Even better frame.
>can't talk about
>anything except sports or
>alcohol.
Um, how about finding a common topic.
>
>HAHA, I sound like a freak.
No, you sound bitter. :/
>Really, I'm a normal guy but I
>have little patience for small
>talk and BS. I'm VERY capable
>of making friends with people
>given all kinds of
>circumstances but it just
>drains me to have to keep up
>with all of it.
I do not understand, what do you mean keep up with?
>
>I guess I just wish I was back
>in college.
Have we found the source for your bitter attitude?
A *good* one
>though - the one I went to,
>most of the chicks were freaky
>anti-social types. Like me
>:-) I went to an art college,
>who would have guessed?
>
>>Anyway, this stuff is very
>>obvious, but I was thinking
>>how the focus on Newbie
>>Mission style skillset
>>improvement might somewhat
>>detract from the importance of
>>having lots of friends.
>
>My take on this is I have
>different friends in different
>circles, sometimes friends
>overlap. But each circle is
>small. When I'm friends with
>people, I also tend to be good
>friends with them, because I
>am very forgetful and probably
>wouldn't even be able to keep
>track of more than 10 people
>at a time. To be friends wih
>more takes a lot of time &
>energy. I don't have much
>bandwidth for it.
>
>You guys are all my friends,
Thanks, I would introduce you as a buddy to my friends.
You should write lyrics for teenage angst bands.
GRRRRRR i hate people GRRRRRR i hate small talk GRRRRRR your right but I still h
ate people GRRRRR to much effort to be friendly GRRRRRR I could give a fuck abou
t the weather GRRRRRR fuck you grandma GRRRRRRR
All kidding aside, you sound like me a few years ago. Now I say hello to anybody
, BS with complete strangers and it has improved my ability to talk to HB's. I t
hink that it would help a newbs game being friendly with everyone, while working
there skills, than just having a select few friends that you are comfortable wi
th and ignoring everyone else. IMHO
/Girls are a journey, not a destination./
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (15 of 33), Read 178 times Conf: >> General From: Style cpowles100@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 08:26 PM On Wed, 14 May 2003 01:07:00 -0400, formhandle wrote:
>TylerDurden wrote:
>
>>Have a large social circle.
>
>That's all great & everything, it tends to be much easier in college and LARGE
>work/office environments. But most of the people (guys) I meet randomly are
>dicks, and the people from this region tend to be judgmental "turf" protectors.
>So the primary way I'll meet chicks is PU. The friends I've known longest are
>almost all married with a very small circle of friends (most of their friends
>even overlap). Not to mention the lack of game... Also, I'd been an introvert
>most of my life.
Hate to say it, but you are so wrong here. It's great to watch TD
evolve through this game, coming to each new stage of realization so
excitedly. Look at Jlaix, for example,he is creating his large social
circle through that El Rio bar. And what's wrong with having a large
social circle of girls as well as men. That is so key. You can go out
every night with a large circle circle, have social proof, have
pivots, and PU other women without thinking. This is sort of what I've
been getting at with my "lifestyle" posts.
>So, I'm not interested in spending months building social circles with people I
>don't like just so I can use it as a tactic to get more pussy. I'd like to
>someday move the hell out of this area, and then what? Build another huge
>circle of friends?
Yes. It's fun, it's rewarding, and other good things besides women
come out of it. This is a major self-limiting belief of YOURS.
>Look, you're in college. You're DAILY surrounded by droves of people around
>your age with whom you already have built-in rapport (same college). 50% of
>those people are chicks. You also have a lot of "social time" that many guys
>don't have. By "social time" I mean, even when you're in a class you're
>surrounded by potential hook-ups. Your schedule isn't 9-5 M-F. Your level of
>responsibility in the world is not very high (yet).
Do you use your time productively? If you work enough during the day,
and take time to eat/exercise/read/etc, then a portion of your nights
are free to socialize. It's part of being a complete person.
>It just so happens you discovered this stuff and play it well at the perfect
>time in your life. I can't disagree with what you say because you are, in
>effect, right. However, the applicability of this for most guys to be able to
>just pick up and "go with" is limited, especially guys starting out with small
>social circles.
You sound like a troll or even worse an AFC. This social circle thing
is so fucking key to having the pua lifestyle that is so enjoyable.
>Then there is the issue of limited choice of KIND of chick which is going to be
>on the fringe of the circle. How often will she be a chick you'd be interested
>in had you not met her that way?
She doesn't have to be part of the social circle. You can meet her
independently with the PUA skills you have. Now, with a social circle,
you have something awesome to do besides go to a cafe.
My routine for SOLID GAME (ie, no ONS, fool's mate, etc.) is:
FIRST: Meet girl.
SECOND: Take her out in a big group, and make out somewhere in corner.
THIRD: Take her out alone and get full close
>>But if you wanna focus on
>>what's most efficient, why not
>>just make alot of friends?
>
>I'm a people-hater. I fucking can't stand most people. Also, practically
>every shithead around here who'd be in any social circle worth getting to know
>(for access or chicks) can't talk about anything except sports or alcohol. If
>I'm going to make "friends" with CHICKS as a means to expand my social circle,
>I'll just revert to PUing them because, well, chicks talk about stupid shit
>most of the time and I would pull out my hair trying to be just friends with
>them.
Cool. Tell girls that. "I'm a people hater." They love guys like that.
You've got a horrible attitude.
Besides, I have plenty of chick friends, who I have no interest in
sleeping with, and they love setting me up with friends of theirs. In
fact, there's one gang of girls (who I met with Mystery) I love to go
out with. They get drunk, they're all over me, and they make it so
easy to meet anyone I want at the club we're at.
>HAHA, I sound like a freak. Really, I'm a normal guy but I have little
>patience for small talk and BS. I'm VERY capable of making friends with people
>given all kinds of circumstances but it just drains me to have to keep up with
>all of it. Plus, I always seem to be so preoccupied.
I think there's something else going on her, personally. You may want
to examine where those feelings really come from that you're
expressing here.
>I guess when I get some time & get back on my feet money-wise, I'll throw a
>party for a lot of my friends.. tell them each to invite 2-3 people. It will
>be a huge energy drain but it's certainly not a bad idea.
Ah, that's better.
>I guess I just wish I was back in college. A *good* one though - the one I
>went to, most of the chicks were freaky anti-social types. Like me :-) I went
>to an art college, who would have guessed?
Don't need to be in college. I'm not. I have a few great social
circles I roll in. It's also great because they keep me motivated to
go out.
>My take on this is I have different friends in different circles, sometimes
>friends overlap. But each circle is small. When I'm friends with people, I
>also tend to be good friends with them, because I am very forgetful and
>probably wouldn't even be able to keep track of more than 10 people at a time.
>To be friends wih more takes a lot of time & energy. I don't have much
>bandwidth for it.
You don't have to be friends with anyone in your social circle. Just
acquaintances. There's a difference.
>You guys are all my friends, I guess, LOL, but you're all over the country and
>somehow I think you'll be territorial over your chick options... pffffft
Hey, man. I think I may be coming off as curt here. I'm just short on
time lately. And I just often see you going into attack mode on people
who are posting good shit sometimes. I don't quite know why, but I
think you have an arrogance-meter. And when it goes into the red, you
like to chop the person down. I also think you're very protective of
newbies and people who have less social skills--and want them to be
taking the advice that's best for them--and that's great.
So, although I should just delete this, up it goes...
CPowles
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (16 of 33), Read 171 times Conf: >> General From: ozwald1 ozwald1@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 08:57 PM On 5/14/03 8:26:59 PM, Style wrote:
>And I just often see you
>going into attack mode on people
>who are posting good shit sometimes. I
>don't quite know why, but I
>think you have an arrogance-meter. And
>when it goes into the red, you
>like to chop the person down. I also
>think you're very protective of
>newbies and people who have less social
>skills--and want them to be
>taking the advice that's best for
>them--and that's great.
I have had the exact same thoughts as style and i hope you know we're just being
honest. I have the upmost respect for you since this site has easily changed my
life more then anything else on the internet. It appears that you have designat
ed a select few people who you see as arrogant or overly-powerful, and it's your
job to take them down a couple notches. Has TD become more arrogant in his post
s? Yes. When Mystery posted here did he come off holier-then-thou? Yes. Does it
bother me? Fuck no, it's a board on the internet and inside each of those posts
are tons of information that GETS ME LAID. If it bothers you or doesn't get you
laid, then just ignore it, don't come off as the passive-aggressive guardian of
this site. The best thing about mASF was its freedom. You gave all different sty
les and approaches to the game equal footing, letting people figure out what wor
ks best for them. When Formhandle, probably the most respected member of this co
mmunity, speaks out against something, it carries a different meaning then when
someone else does. I realize this sucks for you personally, but its the responsi
bility you bear. Hope this makes sense and you understand what I'm saying.
-ozwald1
"I be catchin' bitches while bitches be catchin' feelings"
-xzibit
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (17 of 33), Read 151 times Conf: >> General From: zyxwxy mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:23 PM In article <80199.12275@discussion.fastseduction.com>, ozwald1,
always a fountain of bon mots, wrote:
> When Mystery posted here did he come off holier-then-thou? Yes.
> Does it bother me? Fuck no, it's a board on the internet and
> inside each of those posts are tons of information that GETS ME
> LAID. If it bothers you or doesn't get you laid, then just ignore
> it, don't come off as the passive-aggressive guardian of this
> site.
So let me see if I got this right: it's okay for Mystery to be
arrogant, because you liked stuff he posted in the past, but it's
NOT okay for Jay to be arrogant, because he only works his fingers
to the nub to run this valuable site?
So you would have gotten laid just as easily if FS/mASF never
existed?
And you really might want to look up the definition of
"passive-aggressive." You got it wrong again.
> When Formhandle, probably the most respected member of this
> community, speaks out against something, it carries a different
> meaning then when someone else does. I realize this sucks for you
> personally, but its the responsibility you bear.
What do you mean "sucks"?
It's his JOB to keep the signal-to-noise low, and he does a FUCKING
GREAT job. There's so much great information being shared here,
RIGHT NOW, because of his efforts. It's his call whether to let guys
use his forums to cultivate their fanboys, and I'm glad he doesn't.
It sucks that he HAS to do it. It sucks that he gets shit thrown at
him for doing it. What are YOU doing to help?
My challenge to EVERYONE: Find something to debate in EVERY post you
like (not the ones you don't care about, just the ones you LIKE).
You owe it to the community. Don't think it must be right because of
who posted it. If you disagree with something, BE HEARD!
A good PUA questions EVERYTHING (and EVERYONE).
Mystery should THINK about it when someone questions him, ESPECIALLY
someone smart like Jay. Same with TD (who out of him, you, and
Style, is the only one who actually handled Jay's response more like
it SHOULD have been handled - as a simple point of debate).
zyxwxy
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (18 of 33), Read 134 times Conf: >> General From: formhandle formhandle@fastseduction.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:55 PM Style wrote:
>You sound like a troll or even worse an
>AFC. This social circle thing
>is so fucking key to having the pua
>lifestyle that is so enjoyable.
I'm a troll for having a different view on the applicability of some guys to exp
and their social circles?
First of all, you guys are presuming I haven't done anything of what TD is descr
ibing. Well, I have. And it never worked well for me. If I did it now, would it
work better than before? I don't know. Do I want to increase my social circle? Y
eah, sure? Do I want to do it with people in this area? Not likely.
Style, didn't you tell me once your bro lives in this area? Tell me what he does
& what kind of places he goes to meet people that don't act like dicks when you
try to "befriend" them. Why should I go through all of that in order to find a
few diamonds in the rough when I can just seek out chicks directly?
>She doesn't have to be part of the
>social circle. You can meet her
>independently with the PUA skills you
>have. Now, with a social circle,
>you have something awesome to do besides
>go to a cafe.
Well, I guess you missed the other stuff I talked about. I don't have the bandwi
dth to keep up with more than a few people. Seriously, man, I simply don't put i
nterest in people for what they can give me... I hang with people who I like. It
just turns out, people around my area are not "my type"... as I've travelled, t
hough, I've found that people in other areas are perfectly fine. People here are
just twisted. I don't quite know how to fix THAT or work around that when I've
been stuck with figuring out how for the past 25 years. If I cared to get into l
arge social circles, I'd do it somewhere else and figure out how to keep up with
THOSE people better.
>Cool. Tell girls that. "I'm a people
>hater." They love guys like that.
>You've got a horrible attitude.
You know what? You guys are not being empathetic here and simply throwing back "
what a shitty attitude" as if I don't have a clue what I typed. It's not like I
woke up one day and said "Hey, I think I will hate people today! Oh boy!"
You guys know some things about me, but you don't know everything. I'm not an em
pty shell that came into existence a few years ago, as if I don't have past expe
rience or crap to deal with & get through. I don't know, maybe some guys can fli
p a switch and simply be 100% happy with all people they meet, no matter what. I
can put so much energy into JUST THAT only to be totally drained a few days lat
er with nothing to show for it. Can I figure out why? No, because it's not like
I walk up to people and say "Hey, man, I hate you." I am open to meeting people.
It's not my problem if they're not responsive in that whole "expand social circ
le" frame.
I'm not 2-dimensional about this. Why do I have to defend this? I simply pointed
out that TD's current experience is vastly more opportunistic than many other g
uys. Simply because something is the "best way" doesn't make it the "easiest way
" for everyone.
>Besides, I have plenty of chick friends,
>who I have no interest in
>sleeping with, and they love setting me
>up with friends of theirs. In
>fact, there's one gang of girls (who I
>met with Mystery) I love to go
>out with. They get drunk, they're all
>over me, and they make it so
>easy to meet anyone I want at the club
>we're at.
Great. I would love to hear your stories of first meeting them and how you work
your own "social circle" game. Perhaps did it occur to you guys that maybe this
is something I'm either not good at or have tried many times before but simply n
ot gotten adequate results? Maybe other guys are the same way. OK "poof" I compl
etely agree with TD... the "best way" to get laid consistently is having large a
nd multiple social circles. Someone please explain to me the process of how to d
o this in a city like Boston, and also when I don't live in the city but rather
a suburb. Old friends don't count, their circles have long since closed or atrop
hied.
And if someone says "Dude, just PU them except don't focus on sex." then I'm goi
ng to pull out some hair because that is non-advice. If I PU chicks, but don't s
ex them, they disappear.
>I think there's something else going on
>her, personally. You may want
>to examine where those feelings really
>come from that you're
>expressing here.
Like what? I don't like where I live. Most people I've met in this area through
my life have been dicks. And I don't mean in the "I feel like this person might
be a dick" sense, I mean REAL dicks. A few people have been cool. But they had S
MALL social circles, or practically none. Is that my fault? No. Has it affected
me? Clearly? That doesn't matter to me. I'm here for to expand my info, so someo
ne should start posting ideas about this stuff, for guys who are long since out
of college and in areas that aren't typically "open".
>Don't need to be in college. I'm not. I
>have a few great social
>circles I roll in. It's also great
>because they keep me motivated to
>go out.
Talk about it. Sometimes guys will post "Yeah, I have X and it really helps me."
and a ton of guys out there think "That sounds great... how do I get X?" Keep i
n mind that I've not hid under a rock for 30 years, it's not like I have not tri
ed this mode lots of times. Something didn't sync. I wasn't born with this negat
ive slant or cynicism. I didn't' decide this is the way I want to be. I don't en
joy the lack of large social circles. I am even joking about myself over it beca
use, at this point, I feel drained over what it has taken and would take to do t
his stuff & keep up with it.
>You don't have to be friends with anyone
>in your social circle. Just
>acquaintances. There's a difference.
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country, but over here acquaintan
ces don't get party invites or invited to large gatherings (or even small ones!)
. Over here, you forget to keep up with someone a couple times and they forget y
ou exist... then you've got to go through effort to keep up with them.
>Hey, man. I think I may be coming off as
>curt here. I'm just short on
>time lately. And I just often see you
>going into attack mode on people
>who are posting good shit sometimes. I
>don't quite know why, but I
>think you have an arrogance-meter. And
>when it goes into the red, you
>like to chop the person down. I also
>think you're very protective of
>newbies and people who have less social
>skills--and want them to be
>taking the advice that's best for
>them--and that's great.
>
>So, although I should just delete this,
>up it goes...
Yeah, maybe I have an arrogance-meter. But I just don't see how I am chopping so
meone down by having a different perspective or try to bring up the point of som
ething not being easily applicable to guys who live vastly different experiences
. That doesn't mean I disagree with the content, but it seems like when I point
out that the info should be made more accessible to guys with more issues than j
ust the simple understanding of the idea. They need a way to apply it, however p
ossible within their own situation.
So, I guess when it comes to large social circles, I'm a newbie who's had much n
egative past experience and current logistics issues. I would like to know how t
o get beyond that.
--
jay [formhandle@fastseduction.com]
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (19 of 33), Read 483 times Conf: >> General From: gunwitch gunwitch187@charter.net Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 02:14 AM
I wouldnt call it the best, but the EASIEST for sure. As a metaphor for getting
food as gettign sex. If you dont wanna be a PUA whos kind of a "hunter" of old y
ou can kinda move into civilization and the modern era, surround yourself with p
eople and its like going from 1800 oregon to 2003 los angeles far as getting you
r food goes. Though you do have to pay prices, dealing with drama and bullshit h
aving women in a social circle brings, and also have to have the initial social
skills to be in a large circle anyhow.
Overall though yeah, you want sex easy and dont mind a ton of people around you,
best way to do it.
"make the ho say no"
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (20 of 33), Read 417 times Conf: >> General From: depex depex@lilug.no Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 05:46 AM Since my social skills are rather high, this is certainly something I will
try out. Was thinking about it some weeks ago, but my idea was more for
social proof.
Discussion topic: What is the best/easiest way to suck people into your life
when you meet em.
Also I'm sure you read alot of books td, tips on any good social dynamics or
other stuff related to this topic?
depex

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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (21 of 33), Read 412 times Conf: >> General From: AlterEgo alter_ego101@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 06:07 AM What you're talking about is something I like to call NETWORKING THEORY.
It fits well in the "Natural Framework" beacause it IS natural. Like you say
your non-mASF friends are doing it. To make it really work, mASF attitudes
and approaches are indispensable. Otherwise you get a LARGE social circle
but no real closes whatsoever.
I think of it being Low Effort/High Results and therefore very EFFICIENT!
If you like it, you're a social person and it fits in your game, use it! You
would be a fool not to use it. For the less social people, don't bother! For
you, the effort is not low, so there might be alternatives to this that work
better or are more efficient to you.
If you want to OPTIMIZE this game, reconsider the "just have many friends"
part. Think about what friends are best in this game. If you chose friends
with large social circles, you get better results. If your friends are
playerettes, you have less trouble using the attitudes in their presence
because they understand what and why you're doing this.
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (22 of 33), Read 395 times Conf: >> General From: Chaco robert_2157@msn.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 07:32 AM Hey Jay, do you ever smile? ;-)
Tyler has a very good point, but I am similar to Jay in a number of ways. Though
how I got there is different than how Jay got there. The short version of how I
got there is that I used to be a hard core Zen Buddhist, practically living lik
e a monk. I purposely made few non-Buddhist friends and though most of the peopl
e I spoke to were shallow people just spouting off their baised lame opinions of
things.
But, now I find myself at 35 with a limited social network and, what network I h
ave, consists mostly of married people who either have no time for the usual fun
or who refuse to set me up with their single friends because their single frien
ds all want to get married and they know I am becoming a player (heh heh). Perso
nally, I think it would be tons easier to use the skills I am learning here to g
et sex with friends of friends, since there are so many built in connections and
social proofs, rather than having to generate rapid rapport and sexual attracti
on with complete strangers that I meet in coffee shops.
So while I am working on my PU game, I am also looking for ways to build up a so
cial network (thinking of more clubs I can join, more activities I can attend).
But Jay is 100% right that it is SO much eaiser to do this in college. When peop
le get older, their lives become fixed and rigid, they don't make new friends ea
sily, instead prefering to hang out with the same old people. For example, I am
in pretty tight with some of the chicks in my yoga class (I went for the chicks
at first but I now mostly go for the yoga), but they never invite me out to do s
tuff with them...so I need to work on my social skills to the point where I can
break into social networks more easily and then use my friends as pivots.
Anyway, who cares about my boring life - bottom line is that Tyler is right that
social networks will certainly help your sex life and your dating life (if you
want to date and have LTR). But Jay is right that this gets harder as you age if
you have been introverted.
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (23 of 33), Read 389 times Conf: >> General From: Scofield mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 07:33 AM On 5/13/03 11:35:00 PM, TylerDurden wrote:
>But if you wanna focus on
>what's most efficient, why not
>just make alot of friends?
This ALL changes in your thirties.
This is how my friends USED to be able to live.
I am NOT interested in women in their late thirties.
( I am in my late thirties). Good looking SINGLE
women in their thirties are rare man, RARE.
Parties I go to now are comprised of couples, the
pickins' are SLIM dude. I don't even bother anymore,
it's depressing.
Better learn street PU right now, because one
day this feast you're enjoying is gonna finish.
Scofield.
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (24 of 33), Read 273 times Conf: >> General From: zyxwxy mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 03:18 PM In article <80064.12275@discussion.fastseduction.com>, Scofield
wrote:
> I am NOT interested in women in their late thirties.
> ( I am in my late thirties). Good looking SINGLE
> women in their thirties are rare man, RARE.
I don't know how, but I manage to find a lot of them. (One of the
women I'm seeing is in her early 40s and HOT, the other in her early
30s.)
> Parties I go to now are comprised of couples, the
> pickins' are SLIM dude. I don't even bother anymore,
> it's depressing.
Yeah, the circle-of-friends thing breaks down not long after
college. (Have you ever seen a bunch of 30+ guys who obviously are
old college buddies, thinking they haven't aged a day and "partying
hearty"? It's embarrassing and sad.)
Sure, hot over-30 women are harder to find due to marriage and the
aging process, but there are still lots of them out there (in the
cities, anyway). Marriages don't last forever these days. The
hardest part for me is finding ones who don't have kids.
The cool part about an older woman is that I don't have to assess
how she's going to sag or wrinkle, because she's already doing it.
If a woman looks hot in her mid-to-late 30s, she's going to look hot
for a while yet.
And if you're a 30+ with GAME? Dude, you're SO in!
zyxwxy
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Topic: RP: Badboy college group tactic (25 of 33), Read 321 times Conf: >> General From: depex depex@lilug.no Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:32 PM Re posting this with permission from BadBoy_.
---
I have lot of expirance at colleges( at least I think so)
this will be my third college( I have diploma from first, on 2nd. Iam 3
year, and starting next week on 3. one ( Economy--->most popular Hb
college). will write few tips here how to work as a freshman on 1 year!!
1. you are in advantage than anybody there, cause they feel so nervous, and
lost in space, first few days( you know how did you felt on first day in
HIGH school!! Hbs are behaving same way 1 week on new college...
2.first 2-3weeks are MOST important, here you build reputition that will
serve you LATER!!!
3.You know that gropus that get formed in first few weeks, and then that
gropu friendship lasts till end of college??usually on year(class)you will
have ~5-8 gropus like that....they will learn, go out,hang out together,
live on cumpus together....!! this group's are YOUR biggest weapons you will
have on college!!!!
with this college group theory, you will never have bad reputition, and you
will always get LAID!!Ok, how to do that. ITS SO easy, just create group of
10HBs around you, they will alwasy hang out with you, will serve as great
social proof, you will BE ALPHA MALE on COLLEGE!!!!chicks will see you
around 10most beautifull girls and they will always dig you, who are you,
why are you always around Hbs.....you will get laid like rockstar on
Campus..
4.Let's talk how to do that..in details
first day, sit near 2Hb together, you will want in your group!, befriend
them.... exchange names, # close them.. be funny, have smile, be relaxed,
they will smell that, cause they are NOT!! Its so easy to make this
friendships on first day!!! they are totaly friendly...
every next class, sit near othe Hb you want in your group.
# close her, they aer confused about everything, and will give you # for
advise, tips...questions... you will help eachother... and stuff like
that...
after each class, tell her/them, that later you are going on coffee with new
friends from this class/(year), and that you will discuss about college,
..... here is KEY!!!
5. Forming group
Through week, collect them all together on coffee, you will be their alpha,
the sooner you do 1. meeting, the less Hbs you will lose ( they will join
other groups)!!
you can also have gusy in group, no problem, as least as you stay ALPHA!! If
any of them(guys)try to alpha male you, USE ICECREAM ROUTINE ON HIM INFORNT
OF WHOLE GRUOP.... that will put him down, and you will remain Alpha!!!
6. 1. FUCK
group will start to live without you, they will organize meetings, go out
without you....In all these HBs, you will spot their Alpha( usually the most
beautifull girl in group)
fuck her....but dont dump her aasp, let her be around you on cumpus for
week/two..( you don't want bad reputition!)
7. fuck others!!
when you dump her(let it look like its her fault) in your group Hb's will
start to talk....." did you heard.... Badboy broked with HBAlpha....??is
that true?? he is free now..
If you still have Alpha status, whole your class will know that information
in a one day..... Hbs will start to chase you from left and right!!take it
easy, one by one..
YOU WILL GET LAID LIKE ROCKSTAR AFTER THAT..
few more tips....first week is crutial, be most funniest person to hang out,
entertain your group, let whole college see, how alpha you are!!
you can ALL Hbs on your year in your group!!
If you have wing on college( same year, that will help you alot, let he do
group like that ALSO, THEN MERGE GROUPS IN ONE BIG GROUP!!!
Marko(omp) and my badass, we will do this jetset college this year with this
strategy....we have 4 gropus per ~200Hbs, we splited, and will create 2 most
quality HBs and later MERGE THEM INTO ONE BIG GROUP!!!
will inform you guys about that project!!! (edit: results were bether than
expected, didnt have time to write about it)
BadBoy
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (26 of 33), Read 271 times Conf: >> General From: TylerDurden tylerdurden9982@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 03:57 PM Thanks for all the replies.
For guys who have difficulty making friends, I can definetely relate.
When I was younger, I thought of people as "snobs" or "jerks" or whatever.
Then I started looking at the people who had alot of friends, and saw that there
was a consistent trend.
They weren't too into themselves, and didn't come off as "better" or "superior"
to anybody. They had a more pleasant vibe. They were still alpha, but in a way t
hat wasn't "in your face".
If you have problems making friends, my best recommendation that I've learned fr
om my past social incompetence is to not judge people, and just chill.
Don't view people's worth in terms of their personality, but rather as being int
rinsically valuable.
YES, this is overly philosophical mumbo jumbo. But internalize the attitude, and
you'll pull more girls, because they can feel it.
Have a presence and energy that makes people happy, while still being alpha.
As for being older, and me being in college, I can make friends and pull no prob
lem in other cities. The older the girl, the easier it is.
This is NOT just college stuff. That's just a lame and degrading reframe for lac
k of success.
For anyone who says this, people with social skills can outgame them in their sl
eep in virtually ANY circumstance. Is this arrogant? No. This a matter of fact s
tatement about social interaction, of which pickup is a part of.
Softcontrol, as for "is it worth it to learn this if I'm not in college", that's
a very lame self-rationalizing review of what you saw me do. We're bros, and gi
ven what you saw you could have at least written that I'm a versatile PUA to giv
e people a clear picture, but instead you wrote something that misrepresented it
look only like I'm a guy who can pull in college social circles. Rather than ta
king on that self-defeating attitude, I'd get on the phone with me and see about
coming back up to learn some of this stuff while I'm still free. You cannot pro
perly understand a method until you've conquered it. It takes only 3 days to lea
rn most PU methods and tactics.
REMEMBER: The young girls are the HARDEST to pull because they are the most desi
red. Everything else from that point on gets easier and easier. Anyone who can p
ull a 20 year old, can pull a 30 year old in their sleep using nothing more than
outward sexuality.
The guys who think "all this college stuff won't work on my sophisticated chicks
" are in for a surprise. You're the guys who sit there jaw-dropped in shock, whi
le I pull your "sophisticated" girls from you to come have threeway make outs an
d other "college" style silly shit that girls LOVE no matter what the age - only
to ditch them later when I get hotter girls since I used YOUR girls as scraps f
or social proof. It's called FRAME SETTING. Set the PARTY frame with any chick,
and she'll react the same way she did back in college.
Learning to socialize IS worth learning. PU'ing girls in situations where you do
n't require any social intelligence is a short-cut solution that will get result
s. However, learning social intelligence will land you in a situation where you
can pull anywhere, and the isolated situations will be a cake walk.
-TD
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (27 of 33), Read 258 times Conf: >> General From: scoob mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:27 PM On 5/14/03 3:57:00 PM, TylerDurden wrote:
>REMEMBER: The young girls are the
>HARDEST to pull because they are the
>most desired. Everything else from that
>point on gets easier and easier. Anyone
>who can pull a 20 year old, can pull a
>30 year old in their sleep using nothing
>more than outward sexuality.
>
>The guys who think "all this college
>stuff won't work on my sophisticated
>chicks" are in for a surprise. You're
>the guys who sit there jaw-dropped in
>shock, while I pull your "sophisticated"
>girls from you to come have threeway
>make outs and other "college" style
>silly shit that girls LOVE no matter
>what the age - only to ditch them later
>when I get hotter girls since I used
>YOUR girls as scraps for social proof.
>It's called FRAME SETTING. Set the
>PARTY frame with any chick, and she'll
>react the same way she did back in
>college.
>
I thoroughly agree with the social circle expansion dynamics and that they are j
ust as effective for guys in their 30's and up.
Picking up chicks in their 30's is ridiculously easy if you have a playfulness a
bout you that most men in that age group have repressed. All of my college buddi
es that ARE still on the market take everything SO seriously and they bore their
dates to tears. They lack the passion and the spontaneity that women still desi
re...any guy like me who comes along that is not afraid to act a little ridiculo
us and joke around and bust on them AND isn't in a frame of "the clock is tickin
g...time is passing...must procreate" hell it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
The thing is, these women are no challenge for me..at all. I like the 23-28yo ch
icks the best and with them it is very easy to develop a large circle of friends
because they still do the drunken house party scene instead of the uptight yupp
ie wine and cheese gatherings of my peers. It's much easier to make friends by b
eing relaxed and social and a little bit crazy.
Finally, there are plenty of good-looking single women in their thirties...it's
just that many of them are divorcee's with small children at home who can't get
out into the social scene with any regularity. To meet these types I am not asha
med to recommend match.com and of course daytime "street" approaches: malls, gro
cery stores, hair salons, health-conscious restaurants, etc.
Totally unrelated note to readers: I had traffic court today. The number of hott
ies in their late teens and early twenties at the courthouse was staggering. May
be not the best place for PU because nobody is in a good mood at traffic court,
but it still merits mention. Maybe I can develop a "Courthouse PU" method...Ha!
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (28 of 33), Read 220 times Conf: >> General From: ozwald1 ozwald1@hotmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 06:38 PM This is important stuff, but i agree, it goes against the nature of most people
who spend time writing on an internet message board. Craig is a master at gettin
g chicks through networking. He has been out of college for several years and mo
ved to a different city then where he was from, but whenever i see him at a bar
or party, he is surrounded by many hot chicks and social guys. Learning to PU ch
icks in a random setting is awesome(I think its why most of us are here), but I
don't think you can ever get results (quantity) that compare to being a valuable
part of a large social circle. Some people here would prefer to live their life
similarly to the way they do now, just with more women in their lives. They mig
ht be willing to sacrifice the luxuries of being networked for the inconvienence
s that go with it. It's their choice to make.
-ozwald1
"I be catchin' bitches while bitches be catchin' feelings"
-xzibit
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Topic: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (29 of 33), Read 170 times Conf: >> General From: parkblvd drrelyea@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 08:52 PM Scoob, I think Tyler and you missed the point. NOBODY but a troll will argue wit
h the fact that the ability to PU young party chicks will make you very good at
PUing older women.
The point of all the whining about expanding your social circle is that GUYS IN
THEIR 30s are BORING. Scoob said exactly that. Social circle expansion is fine i
f the people you're meeting are cool. But as Formhandle insinuated, usually you
wanna get up and slap the life back into "career" guys in about 30 seconds. This
isn't true with college guys, and dudes in their early 20s so much.
If you're way out of college, you can expand your social circle through people y
our age, who are in general boring, or through people who are cool but a lot you
nger. Not many 30 year olds hang around college guys, though. I don't mind using
a UG in a sarge, since who cares - like I'll see her again. I don't mind sargin
g a boring girl who's hot, since who cares after you've sexed her. But make frie
nds with boring people for the point of hanging out with them to maybe meet wome
n? No.
And the obvious retort is, "There are cool guys everywhere." But there aren't. I
n college, cool guys abound. Cool guys in their 30s abound on this board. For al
l I know, Cheyenne might be full of cool guys in their 30s. Not true in other ar
eas. Give me an area that has cool guys and HBs, and I'll be a happy man. Otherw
ise, the technique isn't so viable for me. It'd be nice to be back in college wi
th that HUGE social circle, but what does it matter, so long as I still get laid
?
park
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (30 of 33), Read 162 times Conf: >> General From: zyxwxy mailto: Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 09:35 PM In article <80198.12275@discussion.fastseduction.com>, parkblvd
wrote:
> The point of all the whining about expanding your social circle
> is that GUYS IN THEIR 30s are BORING.
YES! YES!! What he said!
TD, seriously, listen to the 30-something guys here. They know best
what it's like to be 30-something (and also quite a bit about what
it was like to be 20-something).
There's a focus on social circles that peaks in the late teens,
plateaus through the college years, then decreases as guys
concentrate on their careers, as friends marry and move, and as guys
discover that acquaintances are in many cases as important as
friends.
And it's fine to pursue "the PUA lifestyle," but most of us don't
want that. We want to pursue the GOOD lifestyle, which has little to
do with hanging out in clubs night after night.
zyxwxy
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (31 of 33), Read 153 times Conf: >> General From: Manifestis3 bjmin3@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:26 PM i can definitely see this social network being very natural and effortless almos
t...one of craig's friends i met fucked 6 different chicks in one week! shit...h
e doesn't even read asf or anything...but he is a very good looking guy...have n
ever seen him do a cold approach in bars but when he goes to bars, a lot of chic
ks notice him cuz thye know him through social circles...
i talked to him one night about his game and it was very similar to one point TD
had made about kissing chicks in barfs...he says he never kisses chicks in bars
...if chicks tries to kiss him, he says he just doesn't do that...he said it's c
uz chicks kiss and make out wiht anyone just for fun...and when he leaves, he sa
ys, i'm going over there (to his place) and says she can join if she wants...
manifestis3
"live your reality..."
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Topic: Re: IMO, the best way to get laid consistently (32 of 33), Read 129 times Conf: >> General From: softcontrol sftcntrl@hotmail.com Date: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:25 AM Well, I'm glad the discussion is turning out to be a good one, but I am a
little disappointed that you read my post so negatively. I was trying to
present a middle ground between your post and formhandle's, since I think
they both have merit. I don't think we need more back and forth arguing
between you two on this board.
TylerDurden wrote:
> Softcontrol, as for "is it worth it to learn this if I'm not in college",
> that's a very lame self-rationalizing review of what you saw me do.
That wasn't a review of anything. That was simply a question I was asking
myself. The most interesting thing I saw from you last week was the overall
PU strategy which you outlined in the first post in this thread. I'm glad
you posted it, since I think it is a good approach. However, you are in
college and the exact way you set this up only works in situations like
that.
A great example of this is when your wing told you about the girl who
approached him. He was interested in fucking her that night, but you said
something like, "You have to think long term. Which is better, to fuck her
tonight or to get in with her friends first, start going out to clubs with
them, and fuck a different one every night?" That's solid PU thinking, the
type of fourth-order stuff I discussed in post not too long ago, and I liked
it.
But the reality is that guys my age don't go out every night. Some do, but
most don't. I used to go to bars 4 or 5 days a week when I was in college,
but I outgrew it, and you probably will too. So my question is can I adapt
the underlying principle to my situation, and if so, how? That is what I was
getting at in my post, and, since I think the answer to the first question
is yes, I am hoping that we can find some ideas for the second question in
this thread instead of just bickering between the "old school" and "new
school" guys.
> We're
> bros, and given what you saw you could have at least written that I'm a
> versatile PUA to give people a clear picture, but instead you wrote
something
> that misrepresented it look only like I'm a guy who can pull in college
social
> circles.
I don't think I wrote anything like that. I said that your style is great
for college guys. I didn't say anything about your PU abilities outside of
that context because I haven't really seen them, other than when we were in
Montreal, which I know you feel was not representative of your best stuff. I
don't want to speculate on things I haven't seen, since I don't know enough
about your overall game to do so.
And, honestly, I don't think you really want to me to post a more detailed
analysis of what I did see of your game here. Not because it would be
negative -- it wouldn't be -- but because it would probably be accurate in
ways you might not yet realize. And it would be so high-level that only a
small handful of guys on here would even understand what I was talking
about. If those guys are interested in that kind of information, then they
should probably find out for themselves what you are all about and form
their own opinions first.
I don't think that most of what happens between you and I personally belongs
on this NG. That's why I was trying to get across to you the concept that
someone's Internet persona is not the same thing as who that person is in
real life. You are not really TylerDurden. That's just a screen name you use
to post on the Internet. It's got very little do with who you are in real
life. The same if true for everyone else on here. Let's keep RL stuff in
real life and stick with dicussing stuff that is appropriate for the general
ASF readers here.
> Rather than taking on that self-defeating attitude, I'd get on the
> phone with me and see about coming back up to learn some of this stuff
while
> I'm still free. You cannot properly understand a method until you've
conquered
> it. It takes only 3 days to learn most PU methods and tactics.
As I told you before I left, I had a great time hanging out with you. You
know a lot about PU and you love to talk strategy, as do I. Probably over
three quaters of our conversation was about PU, and we talked about a lot of
shit. And when we are in a "set," we communicate about PU in an entirely
different way, sensing where the other is going and deciding how to play the
counterpart to that. Again, if I were to discuss how that shit works in
detail it would be way over most guys heads, so I don't think there would be
much general benefit from it.
But since you brought it up here, I will give an example of how it doesn't
work as you suggest. Last week, I mostly let you do your thing and tried to
stay out of your way. I did this on purpose since I knew you had your own
goals in setting things up for the summer in your town, and I didn't want to
interfere with that as an interloper. I also wanted a chance to just relax
and watch what you do on your home base, which you have said before on this
NG is where your strongest game is. But that meant that you did not get to
see much of my own game this time around. So what? Maybe next time, things
will be different. But I didn't do this because I want to learn to do what
you do myself but instead because I just enjoy the exchange of information
both in conversations and in playing the game together. The kinds of things
I actually learn from those things are probably nothing like what you think
they are.
> Learning to socialize IS worth learning. PU'ing girls in situations where
you
> don't require any social intelligence is a short-cut solution that will
get
> results. However, learning social intelligence will land you in a
situation
> where you can pull anywhere, and the isolated situations will be a cake
walk.
Of course, but what you are doing is way more than just socializing. It is
very strategic, and I think that's something we should develop more on this
board. But you are going to have to accept that doing so means that people
will implement that in ways which are much different from the way you do it.
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Topic: Link to book that talks about this (33 of 33), Read 127 times Conf: >> General From: Denverman danarnoldrules@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:18 AM I have recently attended a seminar by these guys and its so
funny because they talk about how guys who are "out of college"
can develop social circles and they break down the science of
what these "Natural Social Circle" PUAs do to get laid!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972016600/ref=pd_sim_books_1/103-
1235954-0463824?v=glance&s=books