TORTURE, INTERROGATION AND INTELLIGENCE What I want you to keep in mind as you read this is that we are to assume

the following situation: We have somebody in our custody, who we believe has knowledge of an impending terrorist attack, and we think that attack could be VERY serious, but we have less than five days to find out what this person knows about the impending attack In this piece, I!m going to specifically address using drugs known as "truth serums" as the means by which we get the intelligence that we need #ome would call this a form of torture I want you to know that I don!t glory torture for its own sake I accept it as a means to survival $o digress for a moment, and to add a little humor to it, I don!t get any pleasure inflicting pain on anybody, unless you!re a %uarterback I hate %uarterbacks I was a linebacker &uarterbacks live a charmed life $hink about it ' %uarterback never had (its as a kid )e never sweat )e always got the best looking cheerleader )e or his parents always had the best car $he teachers and coaches would let him get away with murder, and yet call him a saint )e always had his picture on the front cover of the football guide and the game*day program )e was the class valedictorian )e never had to dig ditches in +,,* degree heat in the summer to make money Even during practice, he got to wear a different color -ersey from anybody else )e could sit down, kneel down, slide down, fall down, lie down, down the damn ball or throw it away, and if you even breathed on him you got penali(ed +. yards for roughing the %uarterback I ask you, when was the last time you ever saw any official at any football game ** peewee through the pros ** ever throw flag on anybody for roughing the linebacker/ I rest my case When Israel suffers a terrorist attack, almost invariably they retaliate within 01 hours $he reason that they can do this is that they have the world!s best human intelligence 2humint3, and they know how to interrogate people $heir intelligence is so good and they keep it so current that they know who has attacked them, and they already have plans in e4istence for retaliation $heir humint sources are not -ust Israelis, but actual members of the society on which they are spying $hey use humint and supplement it by signal intelligence 2sigint3 We do it -ust ass*backwards, because we 5'6!$ do it the way the Israeli!s do it ** we simply do not have enough people on the ground It takes 7.,,,,,,*+,,,,,,,, and 8*. years to train and put in place a good humint source 2assume this is an 'merican hired by, say, the 5I', to try and infiltrate some terrorist group3 69$)I6: that is going on at present can %uickly change this e%uation or situation ;orget the hearings, the posturing, the proposals, the realignments, the debate It!s all based on the I659RRE5$ assumption that we already have the tools, they -ust need to be rearranged We

do 69$ have all the tools and no flow chart or organi(ation chart can change that $he :eneva 5onvention was not signed by any terrorist group 6o terrorist should be provided any protection whatsoever under the :eneva 5onvention We are supposed to be a nation of laws If you are not a <nited #tates citi(en, don!t e4pect protection of our laws $herefore, no terrorist ** whether running free or in custody ** is entitled to any protection under any international law to which we are a signatory or law of the <nited #tates

=ost of what follows is what I have learned from Israelis, #outh >oreans, Russians, as well as 'mericans I want to address several fallacies of interrogation Fallacy #1. Torture never work , !ecau e a "r# oner w#ll tell t$e #nterro%ator w$atever t$ey want to $ear &u t to to" t$e torture. $hat!s based on a faulty assumption $hat faulty assumption is that, if you act on the fabricated intelligence provided by the prisoner, and then you find out that it is not correct, that the prisoner does not have to pay a price for lying ?efore you ask the prisoner for information, you tell that prisoner that if he or she lies, you will torture the prisoner, the family, the friends, the parakeet, whomever 'nd then do it Fallacy #'. Any "r# oner can outw#t $# or $er #nterro%ator . $his doesn!t work with interrogators who are members of a free society, and have very good to e4cellent intelligence sources to confirm and verify what a prisoner says @art of this fallacy was created as a result of what our 'merican @9Ws told their 6orth Vietnamese interrogators, when those @9Ws were held in and around )anoi during the Vietnam War 6orth Vietnam was a closed society $hat society only heard and saw what their leaders wanted them to hear and see 9ur prisoners! 5ode of 5onduct was changed in response to the brutal torture that our @9W!s endured 9ur @9Ws held out under that torture as long as they could When they could hold out no longer, they made up something to stop the torture Incredibly, and to show you how stupid and uninformed the 6orth Vietnamese were, our @9Ws made up names of superior officers $hese names included :eneral =ills 2the

cereal company3, =a-or Aomo, 5aptain Video, etc $he 6orth Vietnamese interrogators dutifully wrote down this information, smiled smugly, and assumed that they had e4tracted critical information from their prisoners In this sense, yes, the prisoners did outwit the interrogators In contrast, when our @9Ws were interrogated by Russians, 5ubans, East :ermans, and ?ulgarians, when they tried to pull the same stunt as they did with the 6orth Vietnamese, our guys were beaten, starved, and tortured unmercifully 9ur guys said that you could fool 6orth Vietnamese, but don!t even think about trying it with those other guys Fallacy #(. Torture a a )ean o* #nterro%at#on # %enerally not acce"te+ t$rou%$out t$e worl+. In point of fact, w#t$#n t$e la t t$ree year , )ore t$an t$ree,-uarter o* all countr#e #n t$e worl+ $ave "ract#ce+ torture a a )ean o* #nterro%at#on. $his applies to their own citi(ens, as well as foreigners, whether combatants or not ?leeding hearts -ust don!t get it 9n the one hand, they kept telling us to allow the weapons inspectors in Ira% more and more and more time and more and more and more time to uncover weapons of mass destruction 9n the other hand, once the @resident declared an end to ma-or combat operations in Ira%, the bleeding hearts started screeching that the rebuilding and democrati(ation of Ira% wasn!t happening fast enough 9n the third hand, they run their hands at how %uickly we had placed prisoners into detention facilities $his herky*-erky, stop*and*go, inconsistency is nothing more than political opportunism Even the '5B< got involved, not on behalf of 'mericans, but on behalf of our enemies If you didn!t know this, read this and burn it in your memory: $he '5B< was founded by a card*carrying member of the 5ommunist @arty You should never again wonder why the '5B< is trying to tear apart the moral and legal fiber of this country Fallacy #.. T$e e t$#n% calle+ /trut$ eru) / +on0t really work.

$hey do work to varying degrees of success $here are three primary truth serums )ere they are #copolamine 2scopolamine hydrobromideC first word pronounced: skoh*@'W*lah*mean3, also known by another name ** hyoscine 2hyoscine hydrobromide3 It is colorless, odorless and tasteless Its clinical uses are primarily as a sedative, and applied locally 2directly3 as a mydriatic, which causes the pupil of the eye to dilate When used as a sedative, the primary uses are to combat vertigo and motion sickness When used with morphine and

pentobarbital, to a woman in labor, it produces a "twilight sleep " It is also used as a premedication preliminary to surgery anesthesia #ince scopolamine completely blocks the formation of memories, unlike most date*rape drugs used in the <nited #tates and elsewhere, it is usually impossible for victims to ever identify their aggressors 2or interrogators, if you were a prisoner3 $o use scopolamine most effectively to get a prisoner to tell you what he or she knows, the key is where you in-ect it, and in what amounts 6ormally it is introduced into the body by a transdermal patch or intravenously in the arm )owever, #* you #n&ect #t #nto t$e "#ne 1a)ount cla #*#e+2, #t cau e a! olutely #ncre+#!le "a#n, acco)"an#e+ !y v#olent convul #on an+ e#3ure . If in-ected into the spine in the appropriate amount, more than D.E of all prisoners will tell the truth ** not something fabricated to stop the pain ** within 01 hours 2#ource: classified3 ' far milder form of psychological abuse involves e4posing prisoners 2intravenously or orally3 to sodium pentatholFcommonly known as "truth serum " #odium pentathol is an ultra*short*acting barbiturate that depresses the central nervous system, slows heart rate, and lowers blood pressure In the rela4ed state produced by the drug, sub-ects are more susceptible to suggestion and are therefore easier to interrogate $he drug does not actually guarantee that prisoners will tell the truth, however 9ften, it makes sub-ects "gabby" without revealing any important information #odium amythal, also known as a type of "truth serum," with its clinical application in psychoanalysis, is used primarily to help in memory recovery and dealing with "false" memories If you can confuse the prisoner as to what is a real memory and what is a false memory, you might be able to crack their resistance to telling the truth )owever, if the prisoner is smart, he or she will simply shut up and you!ll get nothing from them What is interesting is that a prisoner could have been sub-ected to a truth serum singularly, or two or three over enough time given the appropriate washout of the prisoner!s system, and flatly state that he or she did not tell his or her interrogators anything ;rom his or her perspective, he or she is telling the truth ** because he or she has no memory of telling interrogators anything $hat!s the truth in his or her own mind, but it is not the fact of the situation In terms of training individuals to resist the three aforementioned truth serums, it is easiest to train someone to resist the sodium amythal, followed by sodium pentathol $here is no known training that will allow anyone to resist scopolamine, when in-ected into the spine in the correct amount What you don!t want to do is "stack" scopolamine with sodium pentathol and sodium amythal "#tacking" means adding one drug on top of another before the

previous drug2s3 hasGhave washed out of the system You stack on somebody, you!ll kill them When time is not a consideration, and when used in con-unction with skilled interrogators on a prisoner who has not been trained to resist the effects, sodium pentathol and sodium amythal will get you the truth in appro4imately +,E to one third of the cases When the truth absolutely positively has to be there within five days, forget them H use scopolamine in-ected into the spine I don!t honestly know if we have used any of these truth serums on #addam )ussein $oo bad if we didn!t =y clearance doesn!t e4tend that high ;or those of you who don!t know ** and to oversimplify it ** there are four different levels of security clearances $hey are: secretC top*secretC top*secretGcode wordC beyond top*secretGcode word $he words "code word" could be something like <=?R' #o if I had that level, I would be cleared top*secretG<=?R', which means I would be allowed to see or hear anything that is secret, top*secret, and ** separately ** anything that a classified under the code word <=?R' In +D,D, before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the <nited #tates forces in the island of =indanao in the @hilippines, by =uslim e4tremists :eneral "?lack Iack" @ershing was the appointed military governor of the =oro @rovince )e captured ., terrorists and ordered them to be tied to posts for e4ecution #ince all the prisoners were =uslim, he asked his men to bring two pigs and slaughter them in front of the prisoners )e then proceeded by dipping bullets into the pigJs blood In the process he e4ecuted 1D of the terrorists by firing s%uad $hen, the soldiers dug a big hole in the ground and dumped in the terroristsJ bodies and covered them in pigJs blood and viscera $he last man was set free ;or 10 years there was not a single =uslim attack anywhere in the world )is rationale was %uite simple and effective #ince a radical =uslim is willing to give his life for his religion in a Iihad war, killing him would not make much difference )e would be seen as a martyr 2 shahada3 ?ut the :eneral knew that all =uslims believe in eternal life after death with K0 virgins waiting for them in paradise )e also knew that those that embrace Iihad usually prepare themselves physically and spiritually in case they die in combat #ince the pig is considered forbidden food 2 haram3 in Islam, @ershing introduced this variable to thwart their hopes to enter 'llahJs kingdom $he pigJs blood automatically nullified any prior purification by contaminating their bodies =y interrogation techni%ue is %uite simple I follow :eneral @ershingJs e4ample and order a pig to be slaughtered near the prisoner $he blood of the animal run!s freely toward the prisoner!s feet )e will immediately lift his knees to

avoid making contact with it I fill a syringe with the pigJs blood and threaten to in-ect him in the arm $he prisoner will talk ** and %uickly ;air/ Aepends on your perspective Effective/ E4tremely ' century ago, :eneral @ershingJs %uick thinking installed a great fear in a large sector of the =uslim population in =indanao putting an end to any type of subversion in an Island that resents the presence of non*=uslims Bast, here are a few tips in terms of determining if who you have in custody really is a =uslim: #ince most of the concentration is on Islamic terrorism, these are a few signs that very few people know about ' serious =uslim that prays . times a day has a small dark discoloration on his forehead If he wears -ewelry, it has to be silver and not gold ** usually a silver ring with a space inside where there is a passage from the >oran 'nother important pointer comes from physical anthropology, and deals with faces and body structures ' real =uslim keeps his left hand away from his food, usually under the table ?ottom line: there are effective ways to get the truth from a prisoner under interrogation #ome work better than others When drugs are used, both the person administering the drug, as well as the interrogator, must be e4pert at their profession When time is the most important consideration, you!re left with very few options Whatever the situation, >69W Y9<R E6E=Y What I say here are my own opinions, based upon fact $hey are not to be construed as the policy or official position of '@<# 's always, you are free to accept or re-ect anything I say, and verify it by any means you wish $hank you Aoc