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Imagine that someone gives you a mystery novel with an entire page ripped out.
And lets suppose someone else comes up with a computer program that reconstructs the missing page, by assembling sentences and paragraphs lifted from other places in the book. Imagine that this computer program does such a beautiful job that most people cant tell the page was ever missing. DNA does that. In the 1940s, the eminent scientist Barbara McClintock damaged parts of the DNA in corn maize. To her amazement, the plants could reconstruct the damaged section. They did so by copying other parts of the DNA strand, then pasting them into the damaged area. This discovery was so radical at the time, hardly anyone believed her reports. (40 years later she won the Nobel Prize for this work.) And we still wonder: How does a tiny cell possibly know how to do. that??? A French HIV researcher and computer scientist has now found part of the answer. Hint: The instructions in DNA are not only linguistic, theyre beautifully mathematical. There is an Evolutionary Matrix that governs the structure of DNA. Computers use something called a checksum to detect data errors. It turns out DNA uses checksums too. But DNAs checksum is not only able to detect missing data; sometimes it can even calculate whats missing. Heres how it works. In English, the letter E appears 12.7% of the time. The letter Z appears 0.7% of the time. The other letters fall somewhere in between. So its possible to detect data errors in English just by counting letters.
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In DNA, some letters also appear a lot more often (like E in English) and some much less often. But unlike English, how often each letters appears in DNA is controlled by an exact mathematical formula that is hidden within the genetic code table. When cells replicate, they count the total number of letters in the DNA strand of the daughter cell. If the letter counts dont match certain exact ratios, the cell knows that an error has been made. So it abandons the operation and kills the new cell. Failure of this checksum mechanism causes birth defects and cancer. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez started counting letters in DNA. He discovered that these ratios are highly mathematical and based on Phi, the Golden Ratio 1.618. This is a very special number, sort of like Pi. Perez discovery was published in the scientific journal Interdisciplinary Sciences / Computational Life Sciences in September 2010.
Jean-Claude Perez discovered an evolutionary mathematical matrix in DNA, based on the Golden Ratio 1.618 Before I tell you about it, allow me to explain just a little bit about the genetic code. DNA has four symbols, T, C, A and G. These symbols are grouped into letters made from combinations of 3 symbols, called triplets. There are 4x4x4=64 possible combinations. So the genetic alphabet has 64 letters. The 64 letters are used to write the instructions that make amino acids and proteins. Perez somehow figured out that if he arranged the letters in DNA according to a T-C-A-G table, an interesting pattern appeared when he counted the letters. He divided the table in half as you see below. He took single stranded DNA of the human genome, which has 1 billion triplets. He counted the population of each triplet in the DNA and put the total in each slot:
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When he added up the letters, the ratio of total white letters to black letters was 1:1. And this turned out to not just be roughly true. It was exactly true, to better than one part in one thousand, i.e. 1.000:1.000. Then Perez divided the table this way:
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Perez discovered that the ratio of white letters to black letters is exactly 0.690983, which is (3Phi)/2. Phi is the number 1.618, the Golden Ratio. He also discovered the exact same ratio, 0.690983, when he divided the table the following two alternative ways:
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Again, the total number of white letters divided by the total number of black letters is 0.6909, to a precision of better than one part in 1,000. Perez discovered two more symmetries:
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Above: Total ratio of white:black letters = 1:1
Again, total ratio of white:black letters = 1:1 So for three ways of dividing the table, the ratio of white to black is 1.000:1.000. And for the other three ways of dividing it, the ratio is 0.690983 or (3-Phi)/2.
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When you overlay these 6 symmetries on top of each other, you get a set of mathematical stairs with 32 golden steps. Then an absolutely fascinating geometrical pattern emerges: The Dragon Curve which is well known in fractal geometry. Here it is, labeled with DNA letters in descending frequency:
Animated Dragon Curve You can see other non-DNA, computer generated versions of this same curve here. Other interesting facts: Similar patterns with variations on these same rules are seen across a range of 20 different species. From the AIDS virus to bacteria, primates and humans Each character in DNA occurs a precise number of times, and each has a twin. TTT and AAA are twins and appear the most often; theyre the DNA equivalent of the letter E. This pattern creates a stair step of 32 frequencies, a specific frequency for each pair. The number of triplets that begin with a T is precisely the same as the number of triplets that begin with A (to within 0.1%).
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The number of triplets that begin with a C is precisely the same as the number of triplets that begin with G. The genetic code table is fractal the same pattern repeats itself at every level. The micro scale controls conversion of triplets to amino acids, and its in every biology book. The macro scale, newly discovered by Dr. Perez, checks the integrity of the entire organism. Perez is also discovering additional patterns within the pattern. I am only giving you the tip of the iceberg. There are other rules and layers of detail that Im omitting for simplicity. Perez presses forward with his research; more papers are in the works, and if youre able to read French, I recommend his book Codex Biogenesis and his French website. Here is an English translation. (By the way, he found some of his most interesting data in what used to be called Junk DNA. It turns out to not be junk at all.) OK, so what does all this mean? Copying errors cannot be the source of evolutionary progress, because if that were true, eventually all the letters would be equally probable. This proves that useful evolutionary mutations are not random. Instead, they are controlled by a precise Evolutionary Matrix to within 0.1% When organisms exchange DNA with each other through Horizontal Gene Transfer, the end result still obeys specific mathematical patterns DNA is able to re-create destroyed data by computing checksums in reverse like calculating the missing contents of a page ripped out of a novel. No man-made language has this kind of precise mathematical structure. DNA is a tightly woven, highly efficient language that follows extremely specific rules. Its alphabet, grammar and overall structure are ordered by a beautiful set of mathematical functions. More interesting factoids: The most common pair of letters (TTT and AAA) appears exactly 1/13X as often as all the letters combined consistently, the genomes of humans and chimpanzees. If you put the 32 most common triplets in Group 1 and the 32 least common triplets in Group 2, the ratio of letters in Group1:Group2 is exactly 2:1. And since triplet counts occur in symmetrical pairs (TTT-AAA, TAT-ATA, etc), you can group them into four groups of 16. When you put those four triplet populations on a graph, you get the peace symbol:
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Does this precise set of rules and symmetries appear random or accidental to you? My friend, this is how it is possible for DNA to be a code that is self-repairing, self-correcting, self-re-writing and self-evolving. It reveals a level of engineering and sophistication that human engineers could only dream of. Most of all, its elegant. Cancer has sometimes been described as evolution run amok. Dr. Perez has noted interesting distortions of this matrix in cancer cells. I strongly suspect that new breakthroughs in cancer research are hidden in this matrix. I submit to you that the most productive research that can possibly be conducted in medicine and computer science is intensive study of the DNA Evolution Matrix. Like I said, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more here to discover! When we develop computer languages based on DNA language, they will be capable of extreme data compression, error correction, and yes, self-evolution. Imagine: Computer programs that add features and improve with time. All by themselves. What would that be like? Perry Marshall P.S.: Dr. Perez and I are friends. Perez worked on HIV research with the man who originally discovered HIV, Luc Montagnier. Perez also worked in biomathematics and Artificial Intelligence at IBM. Im familiar with this work because last spring I had the privilege of helping him translate his groundbreaking research paper about this into English. You can read it here: Codon Populations in Single-stranded Whole Human Genome DNA Are Fractal and Fine-tuned by the Golden Ratio 1.618 Share and Enjoy: Tags: Barbara McClintock, DNA, evolutionary matrix, golden number, golden ratio, Jean-Claude Perez, junk DNA, Luc Montagnier Posted in Intelligent Design | 31 Comments
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Old Git Tom says: October 27, 2010 at 11:01 am Mr Marshall, many thanks for that its absolutely astonishing. OGT Log in to Reply DDD says: October 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm Perry, I enjoy your site. I do however have a problem with some of the math Perez discovered that the ratio of white letters to black letters is exactly 0.690983, which is (3Phi)/2. Phi is the number 1.618, the Golden Ratio. He also discovered the exact same ratio, 0.690983, when he divided the table the following two alternative ways: Right below this is a table 1st letter T White, next first letter C is black, next first letter A is white, next first G is Black White / Black = Sum T+ Sum A / Sum C + Sum G =0.690983 Later in another matrix it is stated There are two more symmetries that Perez discovered: and that matrix has the White/Black reversed Sum C + Sum G /Sum T+ Sum A = 1 to 1 Simplifying T+A / C +G = 0.690983 and C+G / T+A =1 I dont believe math works that way unless you are changing the inputs and not calling them out. or am I missing something here? Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: November 14, 2010 at 12:20 am The 2nd matrix does not reverse the black/white, there are a total of 6 distinct matrices, 3 are 1:1 and 3 are 0.69. Perezs paper makes this clear. If Ive made an error in representing Perezs paper Im open to having that pointed out. Log in to Reply NoMoreGames says: October 30, 2010 at 8:36 am Very interesting article, but being biologically educated, I have a few comments. Junk DNA has long been believed to have some sort of function, we are just unsure of what that function is (most likely regulatory). The term junk has just stuck around from an older time.
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Copying errors cannot be the source of evolutionary progress, because if that were true, eventually all the letters would be equally probable. This proves that useful evolutionary mutations are not random. Instead, they are controlled by a precise Evolutionary Matrix to within 0.1% Considering there are about 3 billion base pairs in the human genome, that would still allow for some 3 million bases to not be controlled by this matrix, essentially offering counter evidence for your first example. Thats a lost of potential random mutations. Please correct me if I interpreted this data incorrectly. I havent had a chance to read it yet, but Im wondering if his paper mentioned if he factored the highly variable and repeating telomeres into his matrices? Thank you for your input! Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: October 30, 2010 at 10:45 am If the Evolution Matrix controls codon populations to 0.1% then that means that copying errors cannot account for more than 0.1% of the difference between, say, bacteria and humans. It means that 99.9% comes from processes that obey the rules of the matrix. Im sure there is some teeny tiny percentage of random mutations that have turned out to be beneficial. But then saying that random mutations are therefore the source of evolutionary progress is a complete non-sequitur. Its sort of like a story I remember hearing somewhere, where a guy had some kind of physical problem and he was struck by lightning and it went away. It could be true, and freak accidents do happen, but nobody I know is volunteering to get struck by lightning. Science is not about freak accidents, its about systematic explanations. Evolution is driven by transposition, horizontal gene transfer, epigenetics, symbiogenesis and genome doubling. All of those things are very well documented, all are systematic processes, and they obey the rules of the matrix. Random Mutation doesnt obey the matrix and is dead last in the lineup of beneficial evolutionary mechanisms. Im not sure about your last question. Ill forward it to Dr. Perez. BTW The term junk DNA needs to be discarded. As does other derisive terms like degenerate code which is a misnomer for a brilliant error minimization scheme. (Or maybe we need to keep the term junk DNA around as a reminder of how much damage atheism has done to the study of biology and the practice of science.) Log in to Reply tetrahedral says: November 20, 2010 at 8:52 pm Languages may be as precisely tuned re the Golden Ratio as DNA. There is a doctoral student at UArizona doing his thesis on Phi in phrase and clause structure. Others have shown strong typological relations between prosody type and syllable type, between numbers of features in phonemes and total average sentence length, etc. And language types tend to be highly coherent, re word order and other factors between heads and dependents. It just hasnt been looked at
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through the window of fractals, the Golden Ratio, etc. Since languages change these things cyclically, and pack/unpack the individual feature bundles into new configurations, linguists specializing in one aspect or another cant help but fail to see the larger picture. There are also many strong parallel analogical relations between linguistic and genomic structure. Languages can separate basic meaning bearing units, adjoin them, or overlap them. Same thing happens with genomes, in terms of protein coding sequences. Meaning bearing units can bootstrap their forms from their underlying sequence (sound symbolism) or get them imposed from above. Generally the relative importance of these two extrema depends on how elaborated morphosyntax is, or how often used. There is evidence of the same thing in the genome. Finally, re junk, it has been shown that in eukaryotic organisms the more junk, generally, the more environmental context sensitivity is present for determining the right time to become sexually mature- they wait for optimal conditions. They also tend to have larger, less complex cells, less internally ramified or externally connected. or overlapping organs. Those with reduced junk tend to have smaller more specialized cells, often mixed in organs (sometimes from separate origins). They ignore the resource environment and are instead on the clock for maturation, so that the process is more or less in synch with the seasons, the day/night cycle, etc.- automated. Also earlier life stages tend to be de-emphasized or reduced. Thus metamorphoses- in plants and animals. Junk cumulates either by wholesale duplications or from inputs from outside the organism (viruses). And it can be lost as well. Constant updating. Old viruses get defanged by breaking up genes into fragments, etc. And there is exchange between the junk and the split gene system. Same thing happens in languages. But Ill leave off here unless there is more interest. As for Phi in nature, in the past year I discovered a link between the Periodic Table and Pascals Triangle, and Fibonacci and related sequences. Just for one example if one divides Fib numbers into triplets (two odds, one even- that is, an even number of odds vs. an odd number of evens), and maps them AS atomic numbers in the periodic system, then within known elements ALL the odd Fib numbers map to leftmost positions in the table where there is one electron in one new orbital lobe: s1,p1,d1,f1. But orbitals are split in two, the left/first half with singlet electrons in lobes, and the second/right half with two per lobe. Within the known elements ALL the EVEN Fib numbers map to the leftmost positions in the second half of the orbital, where the first doublet electron is in one lobe. The related Lucas number map instead to RIGHTMOST positions within the orbitals, with half or completely filled status- where there are exceptions, the electron configurations or the behaviors of the elements themselves are altered to better fit the Lucas trend (ex. 29Cu and 47Ag steal an electron from a filled s to donate it internally to make a full d. Half s is just as Lucas as full). This thing goes on and on with other related sequences. And the exceptions themselves seem to be patterned between the sequences. One finds such things in languages as well. Log in to Reply 3rdMLNM says: November 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm Good-News to All, Here is the wonderful Symmetry & Mathematics perhaps the equivalent of DNA codes in some respects within the WORD of one and only true GOD,
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that Jesus unmistakably promised for this Third and Last Day (=Millennium), thus also as an Eternal Food for all truth-seeking brains, souls and minds (John 6/27-40) herein now: http://www.holy-19-harvest.com Log in to Reply Paradise Holding says: October 1, 2012 at 12:02 pm Recently it seems the gospel of St. John wasnt written by John at all but Mary Magdalene. God isnt in the material word but Spirit world. These thoughts go back to Aristotle 329BCE and the Gospel according to Thomas. They werent included in the cannon of scripture never the less were written. Log in to Reply helixbender says: December 4, 2010 at 12:36 am Perry do you even have an idea of what Barbara McClintock discovered? Look up class II Transposons read about them what the do and how they work. See Genes IX page 538. Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: December 4, 2010 at 12:50 pm Please be extremely specific about what youre trying to say. I have a half dozen books by or about Barbara McClintock. Im not going to go find some new book and read it just because you vaguely suggest that I dont know what Im talking about. Log in to Reply helixbender says: December 4, 2010 at 8:12 pm Well did you look up class II transposons and compared to what you wrote in your introduction to this article? Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: December 4, 2010 at 10:08 pm No I did not. Make a statement of what you agree or disagree with. Log in to Reply
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helixbender says: December 5, 2010 at 8:58 pm I not sure I get what you mean when you try to explain McClintocks experiments. It doesnt match what Ive seen in the literature about class II transposons. Ive never seen a paper talking about fixing the damaged gene using other parts of the DNA strand. Could you give me the reference for this? Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: December 6, 2010 at 7:05 am From http://shapiro.bsd.uchicago.edu/21st_Cent_View_Evol.html In addition to proofreading systems, cells have a wide variety of repair systems to prevent or correct DNA damage from agents that include superoxides, alkylating chemicals and irradiation (33). Some of these repair systems encode mutator DNA polymerases which are clearly the source of DNA damage-induced mutations and also appear to be the source of so-called spontaneous mutations that appear in the absence of an obvious source of DNA damage (34). Results illustrating the effectiveness of cellular systems for genome repair and the essential role of enzymes in mutagenesis emphasize the importance of McClintocks revolutionary discovery of internal systems generating genome, particularly when an organism has been challenged by a stress affecting genome function (Fig. 4; 5). In repair responses, we know that DNA damage triggers the activation of mutator polymerases and non-homologous end joining activities Sometimes, much larger multiprotein assemblages are involved, like the apparatus for carrying out homologous genetic recombination or for repairing severed DNA molecules by non-homologous joining of broken ends (36). Among the most important systems are those called mobile genetic elements (MGEs; 7, 8), which make up about 43% of the human genome (21). These MGEs include the transposable controlling elements discovered by McClintock, and they comprise integrated systems of proteins and nucleic acids that interact to mobilize DNA to new locations in the genome. See the illustration next to this text of segments of DNA being re-arranged via transposition. Log in to Reply helixbender says: December 6, 2010 at 10:10 am Thanks I see where the misunderstanding comes from. Again it is thought provoking. Ill find some papers that will help you understand my understanding of how this kind of thing works. Log in to Reply livemike says: December 19, 2010 at 2:07 am
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Ok, so basically the author claims that there is a pattern in something that is supposed to evolved, therefore it cannot have evolved. The problem is that evolution produces patterns, indeed if it didnt it wouldnt be evolution. The fact that certain mathematical ratios are produced in nature, particularly the Golden Ratio is not news. Nor is the presence of fractal patterns (indeed if youre describing fractals it sometimes helps to say theyre like tree branches everybody gets that). There have been many examples of scientists finding such ratios and then explaining them in terms of reproductive advantage. This is almost certainly another of those. Biologists have long know (as this article points out) that DNA has error correction, indeed this is easily predicted by evolutionary theory because a creature that didnt have error-correcting DNA would be more likely to produce mutated nonviable children. It doesnt prove that the mutations arent random, it just proves that the sum of the mutations over billions of years has a strong tendency to produce patterns. Which is pretty much exactly what Darwin said. Of course it could be argued that if DNA acts as described above that heavily limits the way in which random mutations could occur. But thats exactly what an error-correction capacity is SUPPOSED to do. Nobody with any scientific credibility claims that an error correction mechanism in DNA prevents evolution. Log in to Reply Perry Marshall says: December 19, 2010 at 8:08 am Nobody here is denying that evolution happened. What I am saying is that none of these checksum rules can be derived by the laws of physics; and most importantly they have to be in place before evolution itself can be possible. Perez is saying that these patterns could not have emerged from randomness. What this does mean is that the Neo-Darwinian theory that random mutation and natural selection explains everything is wrong. The mutations are not random. Theyre non-random, modular and systematic. (Transposition, Horizontal Gene Transfer, Epigenetics, Genome Doubling ALL governed by this matrix.) Log in to Reply james says: December 20, 2010 at 4:22 pm has anyone heard of a e wildersmith Log in to Reply MikeFromOhio says: February 24, 2011 at 8:51 am I believe Perry is correct when he says that mutations are not strictly random and can involve Transposition, Epigenetics etc. However evolution happens at many levels. Its possible that the genome matrix has evolved in a coupled manner to the cells that it represents. This is typically referred to as the evolution of evolvability.
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As I said elsewhere, we need to work out a prototype with Genetic Programming and *try* to evolve a simple design/code and see what happens. Doing such an experiment might add weight to Perrys argument, or it might prove otherwise. Either way we would learn more. In other words, saying that evolution is mutation/random based and that its not very powerful, is like saying that a car with 1.5 wheels wont get you very far so why believe in cars. Evolution = Variation In Population + Phenotype Selection + Time Evolution Random Mutation Perry, your TextMutator is very much the car with 1.5 wheels. It does not use a population and only looks at the genotype (there is no phenotype and no environment for selection). With that said, I still think you make brilliant points about Design and Language. The question of where did the DNA mechanism come from is spot on. I want to help get deeper into that question. Why not open that box and see what is inside? Log in to Reply Old Git Tom says: February 24, 2011 at 9:03 am http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm This site may be of interest. It mainly concerns the radical findings of Russian scientist Garjajev, or Garaiaiev (?). Ie., DNA is stored information, a language, & a communications medium. DNA (allegedly) also formed the template of the original grammar of all languages much sought after by linguists of the Chomsky school. Im scientifically ignorant, so cant comment, beyond saying that it supports Perry Marshall (et al) in rejecting the idea of junk DNA, & the materialist dogma that DNA is dumb chemical matter. OGT Log in to Reply Christian hate & insanity - Page 14 - Christian Forums says: April 24, 2012 at 8:58 am [...] the process that all this, could just happen, from the beauty of the oceans and mountains, to the perfection of dna. To decide this happened by accident and not plan, is in itself pretty unrealistic to me. To [...] Log in to Reply Xiao-Jun Yang says: April 30, 2012 at 8:09 am Local fractional functional analysis, gradually conquering one stronghold after another, may become a nearly new universal mathematical doctrine, not merely a new area of mathematics, but a new mathematical world view. Its appearance was the inevitable consequence of the evolution of all of twenty-once-century mathematics, in particular analysis and mathematical physics in fractional-dimension spaces. Its original basis is formed by theory of sets from Cantor sets to fractional sets. Its existence will answer the question of how to state general principles of a broadly interpreting fractal mathematics and fractal engineering.
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http://www.nonlinearscience.com/downloads/toc-yang.pdf Log in to Reply Xiao-Jun Yang says: April 30, 2012 at 8:40 am Local fractional Fourier analysis, Advances in Mechanical Engineering and its Applications, 1(1) (2012)12-16 Local fractional calculus (LFC) deals with everywhere continuous but nowhere differentiable functions in fractal space. In this letter we point out local fractional Fourier analysis in generalized Hilbert space. We first investigate the local fractional calculus and complex number of fractionalorder based on the complex Mittag-Leffler function in fractal space. Then we study the local fractional Fourier analysis from the theory of local fractional functional analysis point of view. We finally propose the fractional-order trigonometric and complex Mittag-Leffler functions expressions of local fractional Fourier series. http://www.worldsciencepublisher.org/journals/index.php/AMEA/article/view/264 Log in to Reply Old Git Tom says: April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm Xiao-Jun Yang, mathematics; yes, super stuff, but what exactly are you stating? In ordinary language, if possible, please? Thanks, OGT Log in to Reply Xiao-Jun Yang says: May 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm In this paper we point out the interpretations of local fractional derivative and local fractional integration from the fractal geometry point of view. From Cantor set to fractional set, local fractional derivative and local fractional integration are investigated in detail, and some applications are given to elaborate the local fractional Fourier series, the Yang-Fourier transform, the Yang-Laplace transform, the local fractional short time transform, the local fractional wavelet transform in fractal space. Cited from: Local fractional calculus and its applications, FDA 2012, http://em.hhu.edu.cn/fda12/index.html Log in to Reply Xiao-Jun Yang says: May 5, 2012 at 10:34 pm You need to obtain the orginal paper, and find these results. I look forword to hearing from you, and thank you very much. Log in to Reply
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Old Git Tom says: May 8, 2012 at 5:17 am Xiao-Jun Yang, your post writes about some kinds of higher mathematics a closed book to me, so I fear the original paper would be even less comprehensible! But thanks anyhow. OGT Log in to Reply Why materialism fails to explain the genetic code - Page 27 - Parapsychology and alternative medicine forums of mind-energy.net says: September 24, 2012 at 11:25 am [...] write up on the golden ratio. I understand that he helped translated the work into English. Same? The Mathematics of DNA. [...] Log in to Reply God Chaser says: September 26, 2012 at 11:08 am Premise #2 All codes we know the origin of, that are capable of storing and retrieving pictures of aunt Harriet, a couple of your favorite novels, and back up your computer data, come from a mind! That brings the concept home! Hey Perry, are you going to do a write-up on being able to code and store a biology book in DNA? Log in to Reply Old Git Tom says: October 1, 2012 at 9:46 am God Chaser, no problem: there are many forms of code, not just mathematical. Broadly, which one is used depends on the kind of info to be best transmitted. Eg., a movie reel contains graphics as code. In principle, the moving images might be translated into scrolling formulae, but it would not be a rewarding viewing experience! And not all codes are interchangeable. Musical notation cannot become language text, & only skilled musicians can decode a composition to unlock the audio message. AFAIK, we are not sure how many code-modes there are, so we cannot talk about transformations in principle. Some codes might not translate into others at all. But any biology book might be encoded as DNA. Ive read that computer scientists are researching this very area, since DNA encodes far more densely than any known alternative so, libraries on a pinhead, etc. OGT Log in to Reply Comment Page 1 of 2 1 2
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kalimsaki { I want to share this sentences From Risalei Nur collection by Said Nursi from 10 th word Is it at... } Oct 25, 11:16 AM kalimsaki { Hi Said Nursi proved the existence of God in his books (Risalei Nur collection) (23 th flash) http://www.nur. gen.tr/en.html# leftmenu=Risale &mainconten t=Risale&is lem=read&Ki tapId=494&B olumId=8750& ;KitapAd=The+Fl ashes+(Revised+ 2009+edition)&a mp;Page=233 I want... } Oct 25, 11:14 AM
judah { The world never deserved the Word of truth, God so loved this world and so much that He gave His... } Oct 02, 3:21 PM Gdel's Incompleteness: The #1 Mathematical Breakthrough of the 20th Century (166) kenkoskinen { ... } Aug 27, 10:39 PM Richard Morgan { What an excellent post, Karkywo! I agree that there is no way to prove that God exists or doesn't exist.... } Aug 23, 5:38 AM
Karkywo { Hi Perry, I have read through a lot of the posts and I strongly agree that there are gaps in... } Jul 28, 5:30 AM Are the mutations that drive evolution random? (9) Richard Morgan { @GodChaser : You say, "Georgia State University evidences why DNA is a ?real code? with a very simple but powerful... } Aug 23, 5:16 AM herrie { Hi Perry I have this funny hypothesis that the laws of thermodynamics were different before and after the fall. Before... } Jun 20, 1:26 PM
God Chaser { P.S- The web page also gives a complete illustration on Shannons communication model and how DNA has syntax, Sematic information.... } May 19, 10:09 AM 7 Biology Myths No Electrical Engineer Would Ever Tolerate (57) Metadoodle { Thanks God Chaser, your info and links were very helpful. } Jul 07, 2:27 AM
God Chaser { Their not debating you but simply reguritating talkorigin propaganda see http://www.talk origins.org/ind excc/CB/CB102.h tml. Bornagain777 on uncommondecrnt had a response to some of... } Jun 30, 2:39 PM Romans 1: Yes, You Can Take It Literally (9) omer { Hi Perry, I like your website very much....the article on Godel and its implication on God was breathtaking. Praise God.... } May 30, 9:34 PM
kenkoskinen { Gee, Perry I thought you also agree with natural selection. I thought your issue with evolution goes to random mutations... } Nov 05, 10:10 AM The "God of the Gaps" Paradox (1) God Chaser { Regarding DNA code, The problem I have with science is that we know 100% that all codes that we know... } May 25, 7:47 PM
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Atheist Richard Dawkins Appointed to Investigate UFO's (1) diva2009 { Richard Dawkins,the famous British ethologist, evolutionary biologist and atheist was appointed to study the UFO. In a recent interview he... } May 06, 8:02 PM Science Without Art; Art Without Science (1) diva2009 { I agree to what Raymond Thornton Chandler said that Science and art is neither independent of the other or more... } May 02, 2:34 AM Design in the Universe + Evil + Suffering=??? (182) diva2009 { James 1: 17, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of... } May 02, 1:56 AM christaras { Sorry. Here is the correct link http://greeksan dnordics-wisdom andmyths.blogsp ot.com/p/four-y ugas-ages.html The history of mankind } Feb 18, 12:12 AM
christaras { People shall be calm and accept,not hate others who disagree with them. This is for all..evolutioni sts,creationist s, christians,athe ists etc. Sadly, religious... } Feb 18, 12:10 AM Conception to birth, visualized (2) diva2009 { God is incredibly beautiful. His creations are unfathomable for a human mind. Alexander Tsiaras perfectly illustrates the complexness of life. } May 02, 1:40 AM
kenkoskinen { Perry, thanks for sharing that video with your audience. I have to agree with Alexander that the gestation process is... } Dec 04, 11:49 AM My Bell Labs - Lucent Technology Lectures (51) chris { Please define "information". This is not a petty query. You have often interchanged "coded language" and "information" before and continue... } Apr 24, 8:57 AM
algail { I have a question that is unrelated. I have recently viewed a program on TV "The Cosmos" Mention of the... } Jan 08, 9:41 PM TalkOrigins' Misrepresentations of Werner Gitt and Information Theory (8) chris { Okay, I've still got a little more of the above to check out but in the meantime I still question... } Apr 24, 8:48 AM Johan { I just want to add three journal abstracts about enzymes's active region, Donald et al showed the that enzymes are... } Mar 26, 3:23 PM
Johan { Hi Perry, I want to propose a a simple method to illustrate how DNA functions. I hope it will be... } Mar 24, 12:35 PM Evolution: The Untold Story, Part 1 (107) perrari { Tom, I agree there is no universally accepted 'certain knowledge'. One may say 1 + 1 equals 2, but that... } Mar 26, 8:13 PM Old Git Tom { Mr(?) Holding, many people make the mistake that there is some clear division b/ween belief/faith on one side, & certain... } Mar 19, 3:57 AM
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Paradise Holding { Hello- you have not addressed anything as beginning. You have taken what is and applied it to the end result.... } Mar 14, 2:45 PM Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Pt 2 (106) max { Hi Perry I like to know your opinion about the " Evolution is a blind watchmaker ". on http://www.yout ube.com/results ?search_query=e volution+is+a+b lind+ Thanks } Mar 21, 4:55 PM edwardtbabinski { Perry, Brian Godawa, an Evangelical, has two handy research papers that I suggest you read: "Mesopotamian Cosmic Geography in the... } Nov 14, 8:08 PM
edwardtbabinski { Perry, It is not logical to assume that because nature functions in a regular manner ("laws" and "codes") that a... } Nov 14, 7:57 PM James Shapiro - Evolution: A View from the 21st Century (Book Review) (1) probo rahadianto { Hi Perry, I have spent my weekend to read and listening all of your pdf and mp3. By far I... } Feb 12, 2:24 AM Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Pt 3 (144) Spiritrise { Thanks for responding ( on faceBook).Have you had a chance to review the book by Kryon: The 12 Strands Of... } Nov 25, 9:01 AM
levgilman { "Junk DNA is cited all the time as a case against creationism. " It is, but it doesn't mean that... } Apr 22, 9:30 AM Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Pt 4 (30) tom { Perry, my comment is not so much as your conclusions and hypothesis regarding DNA as a designed code. To me... } Nov 20, 10:16 PM
dave12350 { Looking at the Big Picture, and from a slightly different angle... Perry, you must be on to something big... because... } Oct 04, 5:09 PM A New Theory of Evolution (338) Richard Morgan { radomir : Thank you for that excellent and very wellwritten paper. http://www.evol utionisprogramm ing.com/ } Nov 11, 4:58 PM
radomir { Hi Perry, I run into your writing by looking for the reviews of Prof.Shapiro's new book on the web. I... } Nov 10, 4:10 PM Intelligent Bacteria: Cells are Incredibly Smart (31) Todd Pitner { IN PURSUIT OF AN ATHEOLOGY DEGREE ?Science is about observable facts and empirical evidence ? NOT God,? opened the atheist... } Nov 07, 12:07 PM
kenkoskinen { Well the genesis of our universe is also a departure from what was going on before. Let me cut you... } Nov 05, 10:11 PM "Sitting on the Fence" (33) iwtk { If everything in nature obeys the laws of physics (and I believe it does), how are you making a difference... } Oct 15, 2:29 AM James Shapiro Video: Evolution in the 21st Century (5)
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kenkoskinen { It was a good presentation but I say little explicit about the how mechanics has given ways to informatics was... } Oct 04, 11:39 AM The Iron Curtain of 2010 (108) Johan { ?Hi Perry, I agree with you , biology reached another Iron Curtain. The previous one was before the mid 19TH... } Apr 25, 11:34 AM Johan { ?Cobalt says ?The same old argument. It?s like pointing to a top of the range racing car and asking how... } Apr 25, 8:12 AM
GMEstes1 { The book is interesting,I'm in chapter 2 now. I almost put the book down after page 27 because it implies... } Jan 08, 10:25 AM What Craig Venter's Synthetic Cell Says About the Origins Debate (19) Johan { Hi Perry and Patrik. Patrik said :"Furthermore, the host cell not only accepted useless synthetic chromosome. It also threw away... } Apr 10, 8:09 PM
Johan { ?IS THE CRRAIG VENTER INSTITUTES?S SYNTHETIC CELL REALLY A SYNTHETIC CELL? ...or was it a synthetic chromosome? The scientists at... } Apr 10, 8:18 AM The New Atheism, Genesis 2 & Symbiogenesis (10) Carbon-based Machine { I've been a member here for I while, and I'm intrigued by Perry Marshall's intelligent design theory. I'm a science... } Feb 24, 11:07 PM The Atheist's Riddle, Part 2: Two Kinds of Things & The Infinite Chasm (173) Loyal { Perry The statement was incorrect; so to my way of thinking, it was not "information" it was data. Information must... } Feb 06, 8:27 AM
Loyal { Perry In your email, The Atheist's Riddle, Part 2, you make the statement ?Information can be correct or incorrect.? I... } Feb 03, 8:48 AM The most famous, passionately argued, longest-running debate (240) kevinmsm22 { Hello Perry, I have been reading your blogs for perhaps a year now, and was at first thoroughly convinced in... } Jan 26, 8:01 PM The Purpose of the Appendix: New Research (1) BALIYU { ALL YOU, WESTERNERS ARE JUST WASTING YOUR TIME, I`M FROM NIGERIA I`VE SEEN BLACK MAGIC AT WORK.........HO W CAN YOU EXPLAIN... } Jan 19, 3:02 AM New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God (274) GMEstes1 { Recent finding in Israel have uncovered a tomb with the remains of Jesus of Mary and Joseph. I find this... } Dec 26, 11:23 AM
karri { Jesus just exhumed himself of his future karma while in the body and soulfully sought his father on the cross,... } Dec 13, 4:54 AM Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Part 1 (82) GMEstes1 { I enjoyed reading about trace genes, repressed genes that sit idle if needed to repair genes bacteria either destory or... } Nov 29, 11:33 PM
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Johan { I couldn't find any referral to the the Craig Venter Institute's recent achievement. Some atheists regard it as another blew... } Nov 28, 12:05 PM Talking Purpose interview with Michelle Vandepas (2) Michelle Vandepas { Perry I loved having you on the show and the opportunity to ask questions. I've been thinking and wondering about... } Jul 01, 5:39 PM Why the Big Bang was the most precisely planned event in all of history (312) pankaj66866 { Not Neccessarily ?. First of all its highly unlikely for a multivere to exist but that does not mean that... } Apr 28, 11:48 AM
Carbon-based Machine { Present-day atheists are often times postulating that a quantum fluctuation created our universe. Well, the problem with that is that... } Apr 27, 8:09 PM Origin of life debate, the English Way (35) kimkab { I would like to say if you believe that nature is an expression of infinite super intelligent being of whom... } Apr 18, 9:10 AM Imer { Hey Perry, I listen to the debate and it kinda had a taste of stalemate but you with more pieces... } Mar 19, 1:09 PM
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