02/27/2013 WINSTON SHROUT & LINDA JOSLIN DISCUSS OPPT Notes of discussion: Linda asked Winston about his

take on OPPT? THE UCC Winston was very careful to avoid direct criticism of the OPPT. Instead he developed the discussion around UCC principles and allowed the listener to draw their own conclusions. He began with a brief background history about the development of what is known today as the Universal Commercial Code (UCC). The purpose of the UCC is to normalize commerce or the conducting of business between all countries on the planet. He then spoke about the UCC Financial Statement or the UCC 1. This document is in the form of a lien. There is a State level form of UCC Financial Statement and a National form of UCC Financial statement. They are very different. The National form does not have provision for signatures of Debtors. It is not recorded, but only filed with the Secretary of State or the Department of Commerce; UCC Department. This form filed does not create liability, because it is actually only a Notice. The State form is recorded and recordation determines final judgment and liability. The OPPT seem to be filings, not recording documents creating liability. What is a lien? A lien is an arrest warrant to temporarily take possession of a title to a thing. The take permanent possession of the thing itself, you must create a Levy. The Lien puts a cloud over the title, which means the thing itself cannot be sold until the Lien is satisfied. Meanwhile, the thing can be enjoyed, by the owner of the thing. When someone files a UCC 1 and puts their home and other valuables onto the Financing Statement, this does not mean that you have taken control of those valuables. OPPT QUESTIONS How could the OPPT foreclose on a thing by filing documents in the UCC? Where did OPPT record levies and impose them in the UCC? Who made the OPPT group trustee of all of us without our permission? Who would want to take on all that DEBT? Where is the power of the OPPT Courtesy Notice, when it is only a notice? TRUSTS Winston then discussed Trusts, an important concept not well understood by most. Wherever there is RISK, there is a TRUST. He suggested our investigating Frank Collins and Christian Walters work for more information. He also suggested obtaining a copy of the Cesti Que Vie Act of 1666 to study. This act presumes that you are dead until you announce that you are alive. Meanwhile, the system is operating under the assumption that you are dead and your estate must be administered by the system. You see, there are a number of different trusts; there is the implied trust or constructive trust. For example, a traffic ticket is an implied trust. Our monetary system is an implied

trust situation. There is the Cesti Que Vie trust. The Cesti Que Vie trust is similar to our Social Security system for the benefit of whom? Not you. The Queen of England is actually the beneficiary of that trust. Now, it is possible to indenture the Social Security trust and convert it into an Express Trust. An express trust has a Creator/Grantor of the trust and becomes God. There has to be an asset or something of value in the trust. Whoever brings value (aka corpus) to the trust is the Settler, the most powerful entity in the trust. Once all the value is taken out of the trust, the trust is collapsed. Maxim: The Intent of the Settler is the Law within the trust. When the Settler expresses his/her Intent, that becomes the Law of the Trust. Thus, returning to the SS system example, you are the only person who brought value to the SS trust. Once the Settler, you, the party who brought value to the trust, expresses his Intent, that becomes the Law, no matter what the Queen thinks. To achieve this change, you must convert the SS Trust from a Cesti Que Vie trust through a trust indenture and create an Express trust. The Settler must express what is to be done with the assets in the trust. The Settler creates the trust indenture, which details how the assets are to be disbursed, invested, etc. There are two other Key parties to the trust the Trustee and the Beneficiary. The Trustee is the executive officer in the trust, he get things done, disburses funds, handles liability issues, etc., but he cannot at the same time be the Creator or Grantor or Settler within the Trust. Thus, the Settler and the Grantor must agree upon who will act as Trustee this must be someone you trust. The Grantor, the Settler and the Beneficiary can be the same individual. But he cannot also be the Trustee. UCC Article 9 (revised) re: creating a perfected security interest. Here a distinction is made between TITLE and POSSESSION. The Trustee had legal TITLE to the trust corpus. The Beneficiary has EQUITABLE or POSSESSORY TITLE to the trust corpus. MAXIM: Possession is 9/10ths of the law. So, the Trustee has 1/10 th and the Beneficiary has 9/10ths. Which would you rather be? Question: Where does OPPT acquire EQUITABLE TITLE to the trust corpus? ESTATE The application for the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was signed and registered, creating the Thurin Si Tis (sp) trust and the State where you were born created the Strawman/ALLCAP on what is called the Birth Certificate, which is actually a Death Certificate. This is the first assumption that you are deceased and because we never rebut the assumption, they act upon it as a presumption. Thus, one of the valuable things Winston put into his UUC 1 Financing Statement on State forms in 2000 was his Birth Certificate so he could take control of it.

The COLB, through the pledge system (research), the system has hypothecated the value of your future labor, set that value for you, created bonds, stocks, etc and put your estate into debt. You are expected to work your whole life to redeem that debt. Winston calls this involuntary servitude. Now, we are trying to learn how to deal with the theft of our estate by qualified heirs (research). What can we do to stop the theft of these and those parties listed on the IRS form 56? First, we need to formally and legally announce that we are alive. Winston has a single DVD at his website: www.wsssic.com regarding the Affidavit of Life, which is based upon the abandonment principle. This principle was developed in ancient times because a sailor might go to see and never return. So, after 7 years, the sailor is presumed dead. What is to be done with their estate house, farm, crops, animals, etc.? The community has to decide what to do. Years go by and the presumed dead sailor shows up. Someone else is living in his house, tending his farm and animals, reaping his crops, etc. Does this person have a rightful claim on the Estate? The answer is Yes. So, provisions were made in the law that allowed that person to re-claim their estate. The Birth Certificate is the assumption of death. An infant cannot do anything, but once her reaches the age of majority (18), he can use an Affidavit of Live with a blood thumbprint and 3-4 witnesses who can attest to the person being alive. Now, Tami recommends, and correctly so, that the Affidavit need to be put into the public record at the County Recorders office or you can insert it into evidence in a court case and get certified copies from that. This strategy is base on Corpus Juri Sacundum (sp? research) all previous administrations of their estate are void which is exactly what it say in the Cesti Que Vie Act of 1666. Now, you can go back and sue and get it back; like a Promissory Note on a Mortgage, for example. Second, we need to convert the Social Security trust (cesti que vie) via the indenture into an express trust. Q: What is this about the Federal Reserve being shut down? A: The Federal Reserve bank charter ran out and was not renewed. The function of the Federal Reserve is now being handled by the U.S. Treasury. You notice I did not say, U.S. Treasury department. The U.S. Treasury is putting forth an effort to nationalize the banks and establish a national currency. We are the only country that does not have its own national currency. Linda promised to have Winston on again soon to further discuss the implications of the OPPT strategy and the danger to those who fail to investigate closely this approach.