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Select Month Select Month mkmk, on May 27, 2013 at 9:20 am said:

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Before It's News Hi Scott, tou usually weigh in on whom you think may be disinfo. Do you have an opinion about Professor James Fetzer? I think he genuinely believes the holograms/planes theory of 9/11 but is way off about that (it was video compositing). He did recently come out for the mini-nukes theory of 9/11, and I know you disagree on that (I feel he might be correct). He strikes me as quite genuine and with a few exceptions generally on the money. I look to you to know what to think for all your work!!! Reply Thanks
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Hello mkmk, Scott has discussed this issue many times.. the use of det-cord (which resembles cable cord) could have easily been installed in the twin towers,,,, in fact for a period right before 9/11 the installation of an upgrade of the cable in the towers was being completed. det cord may have been installed then.. chilling to think of it.. det-cord is easy to handle and install.. and it wraps around needed joints quite neatly. read this article that Scott wrote http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/det-cord-and-concrete-slab/ and nuclear bombs would have been clearly radioactive and dangerous for years you really they would have wanted to contaminate the entire NY city? Reply

willyloman , on May 27, 2013 at 6:34 pm said:

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Hi there. The problem with Fetzer is his history. Yeah, he supports ridiculous claims like TV fakery and the no-planes hit the towers crap which I think was created for the purpose of poisoning the well. We could go into that in more detail if you like, but honestly, long ago Fetzer somehow got a couple researchers into the Washington Press club to give lectures on their theories. This was right at the start of the height of the truth movement back in 2005 I think or slightly earlier. Anyway, it was Jones (thermite), Woods (ray beams from space) and Morgan Reynolds, formerly of the Bush Commerce Department, and his no planes hit the towers crap. In short, Fetzer took a bunch of crackpots to Washington to tout them as the Truth Movement to the press. He delves into a few things now and then that are interesting, but honestly he did his damage long ago. People in the movement back then knew exactly what he and Jones and Woods and Reynolds were and it has been proven time and time again. I listen to Keven Barrett every now and again these days. But honestly the Truth Movement is all but gone. Hell, even the disinfo site TruthAction has pulled up stakes and called it quits. I guess L3 stopped funding them. Reply

mkmk, on May 28, 2013 at 11:13 am said:

Bin Laden death Propaganda blue bra girl Boston Bombing Boycott Batman BP oil Spill in Gulf Im not so quick to dismiss the no-planers, but I respect your viewpoint. The best YouTube bits Ive seen on tv fakery at the towers are Ace Yeah I think Fetzer did a big tent approach and it may have backfired on him due to some of the people he associated with. I guess I give him a pass because of all the good stuff he did surrounding JFK and just a gut feel about his good faith.

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Bakers What Planes #6 and The Key #7. Theyre worth checking out. The guy is very strange and he had a huge falling out with Fetzer, but he makes good substantive points (no debris falling in the street upon impact, no wake vortices visible in the fireball & smoke, inexplicable airplane nose coming through the tower, improbable characteristics of the live shots, etc.). I think there would have been many more witnesses to the presence of planes in NY if an object had struck the buildings. Im sure some of the accounts of planes striking the towers are genuine, but they may have tricked themselves upon seeing the explosion in real time & space coupled with the TV coverage afterwards. Its hard to dissent when everybody including the media is telling you a particular account with apparently incontrovertible video evidence. Ace Baker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cEn6uEP36E. I believe this witness more than the other interviewees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1-BCeNcm0 If I hear a good explanation for the Ace Baker observations, I would be open minded to going back to believing there were planes hitting the towers. Scott, thanks again for all your work! It is really immeasurably helpful. Cant wait to hear your take on the Portland School / Grant Acord case. http://www.examiner.com/article/teen-planned-attack-high-schoolstudents-saved-from-deadly-explosion Reply

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blues, on May 27, 2013 at 10:09 am said:

Hi mkmk. Scott seems pretty sure that PETN or some high explosive much like it was used in great quantities to explode the WTC. I have been in agreement, except that I find it hard to accept that any chemical could have yielded the requisite extreme explosive force. So I am leaning toward miniature nuclear bombs (probably small thermonuclear neutron bombs). I have come to not trust Fetzer at all and would refer you to Ed Ward, MDs blog; Ward has been ostracized by James Fetzer, Zen Gardner and the Veterans Today blog. See: Archive for the Proven 9 11 Nukes WTC Category

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willyloman , on May 27, 2013 at 7:07 pm said:

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Actually, I think if you look at what is written about nukes you will find that the heat they generate is relatively comparable to that of PETN. PETN is one of the most powerful high explosives used in the demolition industry. Its equivalence by weight is 1.7 times that of TNT. That means lets say you use Primaline 85, about 3/8 to a 1/2 in diameter, similar to standard CAT5 cable (remember the security cable upgrade taking place in the Twin Towers right up until the day they came down? its grain count makes about a foot and a half of it equal to one stick of dynamite. You start cable runs up in those floors as I have diagrammed in the past (years ago) and basically you could easily have the equivalent of 200 or 300 or 400 (each floor 200 by 200 basically) sticks of dynamite per floor or more depending on the design of the demolition.

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Personally I think they used too much as the heat it generated melted a lot of metal. That threatened to give them away (just read the RJ Lee Report) til a guy by the name of Steven Jones employed by BYU came along and distracted the movement with thermite Anyway, PETN when ignited creates a blast wave moving at 8,000+ meters per second. Compare that with thermite which burns at around 600 or so. Its therefore a low explosive and as I have said for years, incapable of destroying the floor systems. A high explosive is anything that creates a detonation wave over the speed of sound, 3,000 meters per second or so. As you can see, PETN is extremely explosive creating a detonation wave of nearly 3 times the required amount to be a high explosive. Could enough of that pulverized the concrete floor systems? Sure. They use it to that end in the demolition business. Thats one of the things it does. There are many videos out there of a small amount of smaller gauge det cord doing just that. Its not hard to find. As to the heat. When it ignites, it creates a heat of 8,100+ deg. f. To put that in perspective, structural steel melts at 2,750 thermite creates a heat of only 3,400 or so and the surface of the sun is around 9.800 give or take. So could a wave of 8,100 degs. f vaporize steel trusses and desks and other metal and plastic objects floor by floor by floor? I think so. 8,000 degs is hot. Very hot. About twice a blast furnace. Thats hot. As to Ed Wards writing. Its interesting, but I think there obviously can be other answers to the questions his witnesses bring up. Remember, all the iron and metal spheres that the RJ Lee group found in the dust were burning metal cooling on the way down. It was literally raining drops of molten metal. Of course cars paint jobs were going to be pitted with them and some would catch on fire when a window was blown out and the burning metal got into the car on the seat perhaps? In the end, I made my final findings based on what the ready evidence told us. Indeed, this entire New World Order is about privatizing everything and I think they would have used the worlds leading controlled demolition company to achieve what they wanted here, the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and the rest of the Trade Center. As it just so happens, that company was not only on site for the entire demolition process (the NIST report puts them there after the first plane hit the first tower) but they remained with the contract to clean up the site and were in charge of it pretty much and even contributed to the NIST report on what brought down the towers. Seems pretty convenient, huh?

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has NEVER been tested by ANYONE for residues of high explosives. Never. No one. Ever. Not NIST, not FEMA, not RJ Lee, not even Steven Jones in his big study. Why? Because it is there. Thats why. If it wasnt, if it was mini-nukes, they would run the tests and shut the movement up forever. But they wont. Even the bullshit Popular Mechanics wont do it. But there for a little while, when it seemed we might get some traction for making them run tests, they even started a new propaganda meme suggesting that there might be high explosive residue in the dust of the Twin Towers for other reasons Yeah.

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So, theres my opinion of that. Its very likely that a controlled demolition company, one of the THREE there when they came down (if not all three) took them down in the fashion that they knew would work. They went overboard a bit but mostly they succeeded in doing what they were contracted to do. Had they tried something new and left half a building standing still wired (like Building 7 after Flight 93 was shot down) then it would have been a monumental failure leaving them woefully exposed and all this we see unraveling now before our eyes would have never happened (New World Order). Think of the TRILLIONS that they would have missed out on. No, with stakes like that (and treason and murder and the gas chamber) I seriously doubt anyone in that position would have designed a demolition of that scale with anything other than that which they knew like the back of their hand. top that with the refusal to test for high explosive residue and I rest my case. Reply

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willyloman , on May 28, 2013 at 7:15 am said:

Well thats a good case, Scott. Nobody will test for high explosives? Hard to imagine, but if its the true case, then the situation is bizarre at best! Lets see wont test for high explosives hauled the evidence to the Far East in about a week. Wha? Maybe the demolition companies were enticed to come to NYC on 9/11 just to put the scare into them? The spooks must have their own crack demolition teams. And these mafia goons still walk the earth. Notice how its becoming illegal to record and photograph evidence in the Land of the Fear. Except if the recording is done by the info-lords. Demand info-equity or become info-serfs! Reply

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Do you know the reason NIST finally gave for not running tests for high explosive residue on the dust from Ground Zero? They claimed that their special adviser told them it wasnt a controlled demolition. Do you know who that special adviser was? It was the guy who owns the very same controlled demolition

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Ed Ward MD , on May 27, 2013 at 3:58 pm said: blues, on May 27, 2013 at 3:23 pm said: Ed Ward MD , on May 27, 2013 at 2:20 pm said:

The government does have a crack demolition team. They are contracted to do government demos of buildings all the time. Its the same company I have been talking about. and no, spooks dont know how to bring down 110 story buildings without having them crash on other building in the area, or should I say, other buildings they didnt want them to crash into. In fact, no one at that time really had any crack demolition teams that could do that because it had never been done before. The world record was just slightly lower than Building 7 which would also have been considered a world record had the Twin Towers not been demoed the same day. Reply

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You put a lot of work into your analyses. By the way, I think you use scamming when filching would be more apt. Thanks for all the effort! Reply

It is a combo deal, filching to scam may be the most appropriate. Since most of the usable information one gets is off the net, we all must filch to a degree to get information, some give credit where it is due and some dont. You and people like you were the reason the article was written. Your thoughts and post are appreciated. Thanks. Best, Ed Reply

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dusty plains, on May 29, 2013 at 11:44 pm said:

show me where i said i thought carbon credits, or a tax was a good idea.. show me where i said there is no evidence of a false flag re 911.. show me where i said there is no way the powers that be are not taking advantage.. the fact of the matter is.. we are experiencing global record breaking extreme weather events and climate has been recorded as going through a change, in decades, that previously occurred over hundreds of years.. suggesting that you can debunk global warming or whatever you have been conditioned to call it, with a picture of snow.. is feeble minded Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:08 pm said:

I call it global warming because that is what they said it was til they admitted it wasnt warming since 2000. Thats when THEY started calling it climate change it was a PR move. Reply

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dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 9:41 pm said: willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:33 pm said:

PR.. maybe so..i call it climate change.. because the climate is changing.. you think its best to ignore all facts that point to that, but thats not the way to educate oneself, or get to the truth of a matter.. perhaps youre not as directly affected by severe events as others, so not personally concerned, but the facts on the ground are, there are many reasons to be concerned wherever you live.. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/2012-droughtas-bad-as-during-the-1930s-dust-bowl.html marginal areas will soon be unable to support farming communities all over the globe.. people are going to have to pack up and move.. be it floods, droughts.. whatever.. and for whatever reason its happening.. pretending there is nothing to worry about.. wont help anyone. Reply

the climate always changes. has since the dawn of time. this is not the hottest nor is it the highest concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Reply

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yes the climate changes, but historically, such changes as we are experiencing over decades, occurred over centuries.. there was time to adapt.. for plants and animals.. now, not so much. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:36 pm said:

people are packing up and moving out of their farms because of neoliberal globalization. Just ask the 300 farmers in Haiti who had to move so the disaster relief money we all gave could go to making a new free trade zone for South Korean businessmen. The Clinton Globalist Initiative did that one. People are also packing up and moving all over Africa. Not because of global warming, but because last year 45 major corporations got together and hatched a plan to recolonize the continent. Monsanto was a big player in that as was the Gate Foundation. They got big plans for Africa. Its Haiti circa the Clinton years, just on a much much larger scale. Big doins you know? Reply

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the fact that haiti aid was a con in no way is an endorsement for your assertion there is nothing to worry about. you claim that climate has always changed.. so you admit it is changing.. we are witnessing many record breaking weather events.. and you seem to think its some neoliberal agenda Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm said:

no I think making something into a crisis that happens all the time naturally so they can push for global control on manufacturing, shipping, and industry is their agenda. and yes, it is part of a neoliberal plan. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:05 pm said:

you say below my slogans have changed.. i dont have slogans.. i have

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Warner v Creighton Flame War Weaponizing Space Webster Ambush West bank What Our Intersests in the Region Did This Week Wikileaks CIA Honeypot William Kruse Wisconsis Protests Woolwich Psyop WTC Mosque Distraction X 37B Drone Yemen Yemen Protests Yeonpyeong Island Zakaria Kandahari

concerns.. legitimate ones. i also agree that the powers that be.. ( dont pretend it would be any better under something other than well you use the term neoliberal.. whatever that means.. but a rightwing gov like USA republicans would be no different ) take advantage of situations..or turn things into a crisis.. to help bring about their particular agenda, whatever that is.. but non of that changes the facts on the ground.. that there are legitimate concerns regarding the climate.. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm said:

you notice how your slogans have changed over the years? it used to be we were witnessing record breaking warming but they had to give that up. Now its something as obscure as record breaking weather Hey, they just had another tornado in tornado alley in tornado season. I guess we need a carbon credit market and some technocrats in Denmark to tell countries in Latin America what they can and cant make with their own resources, huh? thatll fix it. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:00 pm said:

Hey, they just had another tornado in tornado alley in tornado season. I guess we need a carbon credit market and some technocrats in Denmark to tell countries in Latin America what they can and cant make with their own resources, huh? thatll fix it. did i say that? i think ive said the

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opposite. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm said:

you dont understand what I am saying at all do you Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:00 pm said:

well youre not actually making much sense.. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 10:24 pm said:

Im sure Im not to some people.

Jan10 , on May 30, 2013 at 10:08 pm said:

Willy, I dont think dusty comprehends what he readds Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm said:

nothing wrong with my reading comprehension or my intellectual integrity. fact is.. willy says climate has changed before.. fact is yes.. it does respond to global forces.. right now.. we are the most dominant global force.. to pretend that there is no climate change to to human activity.. is well beyond

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dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 12:07 am said:

it would be interesting to know if you believe that as a species, we can continue to pollute this planet as much as we like and that it will have no impact on the world/climate at all? ( i am not saying that i believe CO2 to be a pollutant here either .. ) if you believe there would be consequences, what would you suggest thay would be, and how long can we expect to be able to continue at our current level before something is discernible doesnt you last paragraph.. referring to the legitimacy or otherwise of the official accounts of 911, voting, fed reserve.. etc.. amount to what are called straw man arguments ? and that the use of them is usually reserved for those amongst us that have run out of credible arguments to run? i understand the point youre trying to make.. that it is easy to prove the official account of those topics, are easily dis-proven, so i shouldnt believe or trust the government, and if you knew me, youd know i dont.. but ive seen pictures of ice disappearing from the arctic, and ive experienced severe drought and flood events.. and if all this is part of a global conspiracy, how on earth did the powers that be get the planet to co operate with their agenda so , for want of a better word coincidentally.. if next year brings more record breaking weather events, and the year after.. how many years must pass until youre willing to admit, for whatever reason its happening, there should be some concern? Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 9:31 pm said:

the planet isnt cooperating with their agenda If that were the case, it would still be called global warming wouldnt it? Every storm is billed as the worst ever in order to create the illusion of the end of days but its funny because when you take a few minutes to actually look up the records, it just aint so. Take the recent Ok. tornado for example. Some news sites were quoting some random guy on their front page headlines Biggest in history total bullshit. Not even the biggest in Ok. Certainly not the deadliest. Remember back in 2006 or so down here in Tampa we were hit with 3 hurricanes in one year. Oh, the global warming people were saying this was the worst ever and the new normal and what? Nothing since. It was a mild hurricane season last year. Look, corporatism is destroying this planet. So is neoliberal globalization. They want to deregulate everything so they can save a few bucks pumping anykind of waste they see fit anywhere they want to. They blow the tops off mountains to get some coal for fucks sake. They pump secret chemicals into the ground by the ton to get some shale gas. Walmart of all companies just got a slap on the wrist for dumping shit loads of waste in California. And of course, yes, industry is polluting the air in God knows what fashion.

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Hell yeah theyre trashing the place at a record pace. And youre worried about the sea level or some ice caps that melt some years and grow some others? They blow the tops off mountains for coal! Do you get that? Sink holes are swallowing houses due to fracking and depleting water tables so Agracon can sell more GMO shit. The slaughter houses dont even have regulators watching what they do. I read an article yesterday about pig shit literally on processed pork ready to go out the door and rats running around on the floors and equipment. Because business bought big guberment and now they run the agencies that are supposed to regulate them. And whats going to happen when the libertarians get what they want and there is no more government and no more regulation? Itll be a nightmare. a free market nightmare. Global warming? Was it James Hanson (yes that James Hanson) who said the best way to address the carbon issue is to put regulations on industry, caps on their carbon emissions, and make them pay a reasonable fine for exceeding them to local government so the money will remain local and do good in the community while the industry makes efforts to sequester the pollution. Thats the only solution in my book. No carbon markets. No new derivatives based on carbon credits. No venture capitalists. No lying Al Gore lining his pockets. Industry can keep working, people can stay employed, a new set of businesses will grow up, green industries fixing the problem. But no commission centered in London or Sweden telling every country what they can and cant develop as an industry or when they can develop it or who they have to contract with to develop it. Dont you understand the control factor that creates? It was exposed in Copenhagen a couple years ago. Even Naomi Klein had to step back and wonder what it was all about. Now she gets it. Does global warming cause tornados? No. Did it cause the overrated Tropical Depression Sandy? No. There are a lot of things currently destroying our ecosystem right now. Global warming isnt the most pressing. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm said:

And youre worried about the sea level or some ice caps that melt some years and grow some others? well that is a concern amongst others, im not saying thats all i care about, however.. it seems to be melting more than its growing.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-27/arctic-sea-icemaps-before-after-1984-2012/4283418 Does global warming cause tornados? it causes more severe tornadoes.. along with more severe floods and droughts.. and everything in between.. There are a lot of things currently destroying our ecosystem right now. Global warming isnt the most pressing.

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well.. according to you it isnt the most pressing, i didnt know you were the final arbiter of what is pressing or not i guess i dont need to worry about anything if you say so.. but, i didnt say it was the most pressing.. i simply was pointing out that it was ludicrous to dismiss climate concerns by simply posting a picture of snow, and saying along the lines of see! snow! nothing to worry about with climate change! or whatever term you want to use be it because of cow farts, blowing the top off mountains, shale gas, aircraft trails, globalisation or whatever.. there is an issue.. and im not saying it is silly of you not to list it as the most pressing issue.. im saying its silly to dismiss it as a non issue. do you get that? Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm said:

from PBS, May 1 2013 Its no secret that the ice sheet is melting in Greenland. Last year, the Arctic ice cap shrunk to a record low, with only 24 percent of the Arctic Ocean covered by ice, a 50 percent drop from its 1979-2000 summer average. At the height of the 2012 summer, Greenland had experienced melting across 90 percent of its surface. For a journalist, its an easy story to tell: temperatures climb, the ice shrinks. But at the opposite end of the world, in Antarctica, the picture isnt quite as clear. Satellite images from 2012 showed that Antarctic sea ice reached its highest levels extent on record , evidence skeptics often point to as proof that climate change isnt happening. And for years, the East Antarctic ice sheet, which covers the majority of the continent, appeared to be stable or perhaps even gaining mass. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/05/whyclimate-change-means-more-and-less-icefor-the-antarctic.html Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm said:

thats right and its not natural.. so thats hardly a helpful argument for your case.. Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice but losing land ice at an accelerating rate which has implications for sea level rise. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 10:23 pm said:

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do you remember Al Gore saying winters would soon be a thing of the past? didnt happen yet. and according to you, wont. Old Al made a shitload of money pimping the climate change story. I also remember him and his movie (made by a director who specializes in neoliberal propaganda films by the way) saying sea level would rise 20 feet by 2100. Remember that? Had all these graphics showing cities underwater. We had better hurry up and hand over trillions to the technocrats and let them regulate all carbon on the planet, right? If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe. Although the UNs Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscarwinning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish. But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mrner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mrner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story. Despite fluctuations down as well as up, the sea is not rising, he says. It hasnt risen in 50 years. If there is any rise this century it will not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm. And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent

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heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about. The Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christ of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html all bullshit peddled from Al Gore who pocketed millions selling a globalist agenda. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:30 pm said:

ffs.. where did i say i agree with al gore? i dont! but even if i did.. whatever he is saying that we have a crisis.. and that a tax will fix it if that is the biggest lie in the world, and i think it could be right up there..does not mean that there is not a climate problem, caused in part at least, by people! youd have to have your head so far up to think there is no need for global concern about the climate and environment.. that is as stupid as saying look! heres a picture of snow so there is nothing to worry about! my point is.. simply.. as follows.. i believe there is sufficient evidence to be concerned about human impact on the global environment, including climate change. if you want to counter that, then post something that counters that. posting something al gore said, as if i agree with him and his taxes, does not counter my point. surely you got that? Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:17 pm said:

i mean we can go back and forth ad nauseam here posting links and arguing.. but that wont solve anything.. you seem to want to believe theres no problem.. well thats fine .. up to you.. but if you want to really post a global warming update.. it might not be so silly in future if you post nothing more than a picture of snow. Reply

Lilaleo (@Lilaleo), on May 30, 2013 at 10:35 pm said:

Dusty plains. Im just curious If you had to list your biggest concerns in life. Lets say the top three. Is climate change 1, or 2, or 3? Assuming its in the top

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three, if you dont mind sharing, what are the other two? Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm said:

lol not sure where youre going with this.. primarily.. my concern is my family, and their well being.. and with that.. id say im concerned with justice and illegal wars.. the lies of 911.. and the murder of millions.. based on those lies, and the implications that has for my family and certainly.. living where i do.. prone to heatwaves and droughts.. im concerned with our environment.. because without that.. were all stuffed not sure havnt really given it much thought as to try and prioritise things.. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:36 pm said:

Fast facts This publication can be downloaded for free in two formats: Portable Document Format [PDF] or eBook format [EPUB] It aims to underpin decisions that need to be made in business, in government, and in general to respond to the challenges of climate change Climate Change: Science and Solutions for Australia draws on the latest peer-reviewed literature contributed to by thousands of researchers in Australia and internationally, and provides a synthesis of CSIROs long history of publicly funded research over several decades It highlights the importance of climate change as a matter of significant environmental concern in Australia, and provides the latest information on international climate change science and responses http://www.csiro.au/Climate-Change-Book again.. the fact that al gore may or may not be a big fat liar, does not equal there be no legitimate concern regarding climate change.. its not really that difficult a concept to get your head around im amazed youre having such a hard time Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm said:

Heres a cartoon for you. Should make things a little easier.

Ive been polite with you up until this point, but if you continue insulting me on

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my own site, you will regret it. Now why dont you head back over to your own HQ and promote whatever anthapamorphic global warming theories you have shipped in with your talking points memos. If you cant even understand who it is youre working for, this really isnt the site for you. Al Gore may or may not be a liar? Yeah he is a liar. And he gets paid to do it. And yes, when someone fronts for a now defunct agenda like global warming that absolutely means its not legitimate. You might want to cut ties with him because hes bad PR these days, but the fact is, youre tied to his greedy lying corporatist ass. Reply

dusty plains, on May 30, 2013 at 10:55 pm said:

i think i was polite in stating a simple fact and if youre insulted by facts, then may i politely suggest you harden the fuck up.. the thing is.. just because al gore may have lied does not mean you should ignore all other credible scientific evidence that shows there will be major consequences due to climate change.. changes caused for whatever reason.. there needs to be mitigation taken to avoid the worst scenarios.. Now why dont you head back over to your own HQ and promote whatever anthapamorphic global warming theories you have shipped in with your talking points memos. thats your way of saying you cant counter my points with a logical argument.. you simply spit the dummy.. ties with al gore? sighim only working for myself grow up but if you continue insulting me on my own site, you will regret it. i doubt you could make me regret anything again grow up. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 11:05 pm said:

Alright, I have been polite but you have insulted not just me but other readers, Jan for one and frankly Im sick of it. Harden up? Listen here, you go out and promote your globalist agenda all you want, but dont do it here. Youre not getting paid on my site. You dont consider other peoples arguments, you dont even bother to check their links and discuss what they post. Clearly from your response to the other readers comment, you have a single agenda in mind and pretty much thats it. You think you can buy some credibility by saying the lies of 9/11 and I guarantee you, you have no clue what they even are. You think youre slick and frankly Im tired of wasting my time with you. Try to distance yourself from the slime like Al Gore but you still cant bring yourself to call him what he is can you? You know why? Cause you get paid for this shit. Well not on this site you dont. Take your snake oil rainmaking act somewhere else. You failed miserably here. No one buys your shit and frankly, I hadnt looked much into the mythology of rising sea levels that much (my previous link was from 2009 and if you had cared to even look at it, you would have seen that) but since you came here with your obvious shill game, the more I read about it the more

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obvious it a crock it is. Yeah, global warming is dead. call it weather call it climate change call it rain for all I care. You shills will be reduced to fighting that battle soon enough cus your politicians cant help but expose themselves everytime they go to one of their conferences because in the end, someone reads the fine print and when even Naomi Klein steps back and calls bullshit on this crap, games over. So enjoy selling global warming elsewhere. Im sure with your tact and clever skills you will do just fine. Reply

willyloman , on May 30, 2013 at 11:08 pm said:

im only working for myself yeah, youre a contractor. Reply

Lilaleo (@Lilaleo), on May 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm said:

For all your rhetoric, you seem to give al gore a quick free pass there by calling him a liar. If someone told you its going to rain when he knew it is not, that guy is a liar. But, if that guy is the man selling umbrellas on the corner, that would make him a crook If you then find out that he has a couple partners who walk around spreading the lie that its going to rain, that, we call a conspiracy If you then find out they have partnered with the bar on the corner and have their men sprinkle water off the roofs of buildings to create a sense of urgency and run in to the bar or run to buy an umbrella That, we can call a mega conspiracy If you then realize that this whole thing is just a ploy to make sure people stay indoors, so that they wont notice the bank being robbed I think we can call that a psyop robbery And, finally, when you realize that this loot is going towards developing more mind control methods and scare tactics so that they can perpetuate this cycle and keep robbing at will, and developing more weapons and better control grids to kill at will and steal at will I dont know what youd call that to be honest But im sure its not just a lie Today, my wife asked me if I ordered my daughters soccer shoes online I had forgotten, but I told her that I did order Now that IS a liar Al gore is a _______. Cmon, help me out What is he??? Reply

dusty plain , on May 30, 2013 at 11:27 pm said:

Cmon, help me out What is he??? he could well be the most despicable person on the planet.. call him your worst, ill probably agree with you.. like i agreed with willy when he called him a liar.. doesnt change the facts though, that suggest we have issues of concern regarding the climate.. whatever name you give al gore, or how many pictures of snow willy posts, wont change that.

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Lilaleo (@Lilaleo), on May 30, 2013 at 11:47 pm said:

You see what happened there??? It doesnt matter what al gore is. You forgot the premise That it was all a lie And you are parroting those lies And you seem to genuinely believe what you are saying So that makes it ok But also a little sad Reply

dusty plain , on May 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm said:

blocking my ip is your way of making me regret it lol jan told me to educate myself.. thats an insult.. i treat people how im treated.. youve insulted me by suggesting im a paid shill.. and that you somehow know everything i might or might not know in regards to 911.. and that youre some sort of expert on everything? grow up umm youre the one that bought al gore into this not me.. as far as not listening to anyone elses point of view.. you have demonstrated perfectly your expert ability at that. my initial point that got your panties all twisted up.. there may be plenty of reasonable disagreement between people about the cause of such warming, but pretending its just not happening, or that its of no concern, that there are no consequences to such extreme events.. is the stuff of the feeble minded.. you think posting a picture of snow discounts expert opinion on climate change.. proves at least.. youre feeble minded. Reply

dusty plain , on May 30, 2013 at 11:55 pm said:

You see what happened there??? im not parroting anything al gore says.. nor am i agreeing with anything he says. the premise you suggest, that climate change is all a lie.. is readily disputed. what i am saying is there is a plethora of credible science to support the notion that we may be having an influence on global climate that will impact us negatively. not sure how many times i have to repeat the simple fact until it sinks in to the slightly thicker headed around here.. and i dont really care if it ever does.. - the only point i am making here.. is that posting a picture of snow.. is the most idiotic way to pretend to discount recorded climate change imaginable. if you dont think the climate is changing.. perhaps you too, should pull your head out.. open your eyes, look around.. there is plenty of verifiable evidence.. but maybe the whole worlds scientists are in on al gores conspiracy.. does he pay all of them? or they do it out of the kindness of their hearts? Reply

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